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post #1 of 13
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Well, this sucks. I got my home theater allllll hooked up and ready to go, and tonight I get the recliners setup and wanted to surprise my wife with the first movie in the theater...

It's a NO-GO.

I turn everything on to the correct input etc. and I have audio, but no picture. The projector simply says "HDMI 1 No source"

I trouble-shot it myself, and here are my findings:

First, yes the projector and all the components worked great yesterday and the day before, and second, no I have no changed anything. The ONLY thing I did tonight was I hooked up the Front right, and front left speakers, and the sub. That's it, but I don't think that should interfere with the HDMI OUT going to the projector.

When turned on, I have audio coming though all 5.1 speakers, but no image.

I immediately think it is the 30' Redmere HDMI cable from Monoprice, so I take the projector down from the ceiling, and head to my media room with it. I take a different HDMI cord and plug it directly into the projector from the DirecTV box (bypassing the AV receiver) and it works great. I realize, that I should have done this with the Redmere cable as well, so I hook the projector back up on the ceiling, and plug the redmere back in to the projector, go to the media room, and connect the other end of the Redmere cable directly to the DirecTV box and BAM, it works.

So now I am stuck thinking it has to be the AV Receiver's HDMI OUT that is messed up. And just to double check it, I tried another cable from the HDMI OUT on the AV Receiver to the projector, and still nothing, just audio.

My setup consists of:

Epson 8350 projector

Yamaha RX-V473 Receiver

Pioneer SP-C22
2 Pioneer SP-FS52
2 Pioneer SP-BS22

DirecTV HD DVR Box

Sony Blu Ray BDP-S590


If anyone can shed some light on the matter it would be GREATLY appreciated, as I plan to have people over this weekend for the UGA game! haha thanks!
post #2 of 13
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Anyone have any idea on this?
post #3 of 13
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I've read a countless number of posts on here and other forums about this...

I guess I could try using an HDMI switch between the DVR and the AV Receiver and see if that works.

I'm having people over this weekend, so I need a quick fix, so I might just buy the switch, and use it going directly into the projector, and then use optical cables from the blu ray player and DVR to the AV Receiver...

I might just take it back to Best Buy and get a different receiver altogether... Any suggestions on a good receiver from Best Buy that isn't typically KNOWN for having these issues that's under $500?...

Thanks in advance!
post #4 of 13
^^^

the problem isn't that "receivers have problems with cable boxes"... it's that "cable boxes have problems with receivers"... and no, that's not semantics...

cable boxes have been a pita with hdmi repeaters since day 1, and although it has gotten better in recent times, it still can be hit and miss..

things to try:

- connect the dvr to all the different ports on the avr... even though they "should" be the same, in practice, we have found that sometimes, the stb "likes" one port better than another...

- try a replacement stb... this sometimes works...

if the above doesn't work, connect the stb to the avr with component/spdif...
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
the problem isn't that "receivers have problems with cable boxes"... it's that "cable boxes have problems with receivers"... and no, that's not semantics...
cable boxes have been a pita with hdmi repeaters since day 1, and although it has gotten better in recent times, it still can be hit and miss..
things to try:
- connect the dvr to all the different ports on the avr... even though they "should" be the same, in practice, we have found that sometimes, the stb "likes" one port better than another...
- try a replacement stb... this sometimes works...
if the above doesn't work, connect the stb to the avr with component/spdif...

Thanks for the tips! I appreciate it. So you would suggest using component cables and optical/spdif into the receiver vs. going HDMI from the bluray and cable box directly to the projector, and using separate optical cables into the receiver for sound? Would the video quality be the same via HD component as opposed to going direct HDMI?

I'm also going to try to set the resolution on the DirecTV box to ONLY 1080i, and unchecking all of the options, and setting Native to off. This might help to reduce the amount of resolution negotiation with the HDMI.

Who knows... this thing has my head spinning... hahaha!
post #6 of 13
^^^

are you saying the bdp doesn't work either? it's hard to tell from your post...
post #7 of 13
If the BDP and the DirecTV box dont work it could be your receiver.
post #8 of 13
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Yes, that is correct. The BDP is also not working now. At least it was not working when the DirecTV was also connected and ON. I've read that even though it is in a different HDMI input, it can still affect the BDP or any other things plugged in to the AV Receiver via HDMI.

So I guess I'll try the BDP with the DirecTV off and see what happens.

If it still doesn't work, I guess it's my receiver, and my options are:

1.See if Best Buy will take it back (even though it's outside of the 30 day return...) Either get a placement, or one that is a different brand.

2. Get an HDMI switch, plug the BDP and the DirecTV into it, then out from there directly into the projector and use optical cables for the audio into the receiver.

3. Use component cables from the DirecTV and BDP to the AV Receiver and optical cables for the audio. (IF I do this method, can I still use the HDMI OUT on the receiver to the projector?) How would video quality differ from HDMI, if at all?)

Thanks again! You guys rock!
post #9 of 13
I have this receiver with a similar Blu-ray player (BDP-S580) and have no issues with it, connected to my 2012 LG LED TV. No cable box problems either. Everything is connected with HDMI.

Maybe your problem is the handshake between the receiver and the projector. Do you have a different display device you could try? A TV or a computer monitor with HDMI in?
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

I have this receiver with a similar Blu-ray player (BDP-S580) and have no issues with it, connected to my 2012 LG LED TV. No cable box problems either. Everything is connected with HDMI.
Maybe your problem is the handshake between the receiver and the projector. Do you have a different display device you could try? A TV or a computer monitor with HDMI in?


I could try bringing a TV down there... let's say the TV worked for whatever reason, and it is a handshake issue between the receiver and the projector... what would be the fix for that?

Again, I want to stress, that everything was working great until yesterday and it randomly no longer works.
post #11 of 13
If it worked before but not now then it does seem something is broken.

Another thing is, if you only use HDMI for audio and video, and you only get audio but not video, it's not a HDMI handshake issue, because the audio and video streams are 'mixed' in the HDMI. You wouldn't get either if it's HDMI handshake issue: no sound, no picture. You cannot just shake hand for audio but not for video.
post #12 of 13
I agree that if it truly "just stopped working" then it's likely broken. But if it works with the TV, then you know that the video output is working, and perhaps some setting did inadvertently get changed. Have you tried resetting both the receiver and the projector to factory defaults?
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

I agree that if it truly "just stopped working" then it's likely broken. But if it works with the TV, then you know that the video output is working, and perhaps some setting did inadvertently get changed. Have you tried resetting both the receiver and the projector to factory defaults?

I was literally going down to my basement to unplug everything and return the receiver... And I remembered this post. I looked up how to do a master reset on the Receiver, performed it, and BAM!!! Everything works again!!! No idea what changed etc... But I am so thankful to you and all of you that helped me out!

Seriously, this forum rocks. Thank you all!
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