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post #10261 of 16361
What are the general thoughts about Deep Color? I've heard some say it can do more harm than anything. Thoughts?
post #10262 of 16361
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

What are the general thoughts about Deep Color? I've heard some say it can do more harm than anything. Thoughts?

David,

I'm using my Oppo BDP-103 with a Sony KDS-60A3000. (I believe you used to have one.) My observations with deep color settings have been that using HDMI 1 output, the dithered settings look identical to deep color off. The 36 and 30 bit settings look identical to each other and exhibit the Bit Resolution Expansion/QDEO True Color Processing mentioned in the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief. I cannot tell any difference on the deep color settings for HDMI 2. I've not noted any detrimental effects from using the Deep Color 36 bit setting for HDMI 1, which is what I have left mine set to.

Brett
post #10263 of 16361
Is deep color going to have any advantage in a set that does not have deep color processing? My VT60 doesn't have it although I know in past Panasonic plasmas around 2008 they had the option of turning deep color off and on in the menu.


Also is there any way to sync the A/V with test signals without buying the Disney disc? With THX Cinema I can't warrant the purchase for just that alone. Using my DVE essentials disc the settings were so spot on it was scary.
post #10264 of 16361
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

What are the general thoughts about Deep Color? I've heard some say it can do more harm than anything. Thoughts?

Here is Bob's recommendation (36 bit).

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/10230#post_23520266

I also had read it caused more problems than it was worth, so I had it off on my 105 since I bought it. Based on Bob's post, I just changed it to 36 bit, but haven't watched enough on that setting to see whether there is a difference.
post #10265 of 16361
^ That's a "starting point" setting, not a "recommendation". It's an OK choice to start with because if your AVR or Display can't accept 36-bit, that will be discovered during the HDMI handshake and a lower value substituted.

My "recommendation" for Deep Color is that you TRY IT AND SEE which combo of Color Space and Deep Color output settings work best.

Here's a post on one way to do this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/9330#post_23372963

I should add that if you CAN'T see any improvement with Deep Color 30 or 36-bit, then you should leave Deep Color OFF ( = 24 bits per pixel) as that puts less bandwidth on the HDMI cable, meaning less chance of HDMI handshake and transmission problems.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 7/13/13 at 7:49am
post #10266 of 16361
Does anybody know how I can use the Zoom functions (in particular the stretch function) for external sourced conected via HDMI-in? It seems that stretch only works for BD/DVD playback?
post #10267 of 16361
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Originally Posted by westmd View Post

Does anybody know how I can use the Zoom functions (in particular the stretch function) for external sourced conected via HDMI-in? It seems that stretch only works for BD/DVD playback?

In the current firmware the Zoom function is not available for video coming in on the HDMI Inputs. OPPO has not said whether they think this is something they can change in future firmware. My guess is "No", but they've surprised us in the past.
--Bob
post #10268 of 16361
I would not know why it wouldn't be possible to use the zoom function for external material? It is send through the scaling chip anyhow and thus should be also be "altered" any other way? I will send a mail to Oppo and will ask them. I will let you know once I received an answer.
post #10269 of 16361
Just received feedback from Oppo (quick as ever):
"The ability to zoom external sources is being investigated, but at this time you will not be able to zoom HDMI video sources."
Let's hope and see...
post #10270 of 16361
I can get an open box Oppo 103 in mint condition but with the remote and wi-fi adapter from an Oppo 93 for $399.Full warranty. Is this a good deal?

Thanks,

R
post #10271 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

I can get an open box Oppo 103 in mint condition but with the remote and wi-fi adapter from an Oppo 93 for $399.Full warranty. Is this a good deal?

Thanks,

R

Oppo doesn't sell "open box" items. Someone else may be doing so and claiming "full warranty", but that doesn't make it so. I'd get the serial number off the player and ask Oppo to verify its a legitimate sale. Also, the 93 and 103 remotes are different.
post #10272 of 16361
The open box is from a Magnolia Design center, they do sell Oppo players. I'm pretty sure they are Oppo authorized.

R
post #10273 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

The open box is from a Magnolia Design center, they do sell Oppo players. I'm pretty sure they are Oppo authorized.

R
Yes they are. You can get a remote from OPPO for a very low price. I would assume that an open box from a Magnolia Design Center would be covered if the warranty period hasn't expired. If you are being told that it has a new warranty, then I would get it in writing and double check with OPPO. It sounds like they are selling a demo unit which may have a full warranty.
post #10274 of 16361
I do have a remote but it's an Oppo 93 remote. The player has the power cord and the Oppo 93 remote and Oppo 93 wi-fi dongle. Apparently it's petty hard to get discounts on the Oppo players as the dealer margins are low so $399 sound pretty good to me...

R
post #10275 of 16361
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Originally Posted by westmd View Post

Just received feedback from Oppo (quick as ever):
"The ability to zoom external sources is being investigated, but at this time you will not be able to zoom HDMI video sources."
Let's hope and see...

I would like to chip in on this. I really, really would like to zoom external HDMI source content.
I am doing this with blurays where you have a black bar on top and bottom, and the bigger picture increases the "real estate" of the flat panel.

With settop TV, fed through the external HDMI input, often a source is SD, and the picture is smaller. It would be a real benefit if I could zoom that up.
post #10276 of 16361
my 103 started acting up recently and i've performed a cursory search (perhaps poorly) on the 300+ pages of this thread. my oppo seems to be interpreting many RF signals (from the oppo remote as well as one other remote) as power on/off. i would power the player on and try to scroll thru the menu, but as soon as i hit any other button, the player would shut off. initially, i thought my remote was the issue, but then i tried adjusting my tv volume and guess what...the player shut off again. has anyone else experienced this issue? kinda crazy, i know, but my conclusion is that the player is interpreting different RF signals as power on/off commands. not sure what to do...for the time being, i'm using my iphone as the remote.
Edited by jomama - 7/14/13 at 12:15am
post #10277 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Before doing anything else, be sure to try the setting reductions I described. In particular be sure you try turning 1080p/24 OFF.

If you can't get it to work at the lower bandwidth settings, then yes, download a fresh copy of 0522B from OPPO's web site and re-install that.

If still no Joy, them email OPPO Tech Support. The monitor email even on the weekends.
--Bob

I have tried the various changes mentioned by you and Bill (480p, deep color off, 3D off , color space set to the 4:4:4 option,), I get a Home Screen picture using HDMI output 1 initially, when I try to scroll to setup I get the snow screen (looks like an old analog set not receiving a channel) then it loses connection and it won't come back until both the Oppo and the projector have been powered down and back up, HDMI output 2 still works fine. I downloaded and re-installed 522, reset default settings, same outcome.

I am going to email this info to Oppo to see what they recommend.

Thanks for the troubleshooting tips.

Best,
Ed
post #10278 of 16361
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Originally Posted by jomama View Post

my 103 started acting up recently and i've performed a cursory search (perhaps poorly) on the 300+ pages of this thread. my oppo seems to interpreting many RF signals (from the oppo remote as well as one other remote) as power on/off. i would power the player on and try to scroll thru the menu, but as soon as i hit any other button, the player would shut off. initially, i thought my remote was the issue, but then i tried adjusting my tv volume and guess what...the player shut off again. has anyone else experienced this issue? kinda crazy, i know, but my conclusion is that the player is interpreting different RF signals as power on/off commands. not sure what to do...for the time being, i'm using my iphone as the remote.
Email OPPO support and/or call them Monday.
post #10279 of 16361
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Have you followed all the instructions for what you should do after you install the Beta firmware?

You can also go back to version 422 or email OPPO support over the weekend. You can also call them on Monday.

Thanks for the response HT. Yes, I reset the factory defaults after every firmware update.

I have sent an email to to Oppo.

Best,
Ed
post #10280 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

I do have a remote but it's an Oppo 93 remote. The player has the power cord and the Oppo 93 remote and Oppo 93 wi-fi dongle. Apparently it's petty hard to get discounts on the Oppo players as the dealer margins are low so $399 sound pretty good to me...

R
The OPPO 103 remote is $12 at their web site.

The price ($399) is good if you get the full warranty, and I expect that you will. It's probably good even without it. Repair costs have been very reasonable.
Edited by htwaits - 7/14/13 at 12:34am
post #10281 of 16361
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Originally Posted by jomama View Post

my 103 started acting up recently and i've performed a cursory search (perhaps poorly) on the 300+ pages of this thread. my oppo seems to be interpreting many RF signals (from the oppo remote as well as one other remote) as power on/off. i would power the player on and try to scroll thru the menu, but as soon as i hit any other button, the player would shut off. initially, i thought my remote was the issue, but then i tried adjusting my tv volume and guess what...the player shut off again. has anyone else experienced this issue? kinda crazy, i know, but my conclusion is that the player is interpreting different RF signals as power on/off commands. not sure what to do...for the time being, i'm using my iphone as the remote.

First make sure you have HDMI CEC turned off in the OPPO. The power down commands may be coming to it over HDMI from another device (e.g., AVR or TV). See Setup > Device Setup.

Also make sure you have fresh batteries in the OPPO remote -- inserted the correct way around.

If that doesn't fix it then try a complete reset on the OPPO:

1) Remove any disc. Jot down your settings.

2) In Setup > Device Setup, Erase Persistent Storage.

3) Then Reload Factory Defaults.

4) Exit Setup and power down the OPPO normally.

5) Then pull the power plug for about 10 seconds <-- do not skip this step.

6) Power up and test function with the remote again.

Since you are having the problem with more than one remote, it is unlikely to be a problem in the remote itself.

With any luck, by the time you finish trying the above, you'll have heard back from OPPO Tech Support with additional suggestions.

On the face of it, though, it sounds like your player will need Warranty service.
--Bob
post #10282 of 16361
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Originally Posted by jomama View Post

my 103 started acting up recently and i've performed a cursory search (perhaps poorly) on the 300+ pages of this thread. my oppo seems to be interpreting many RF signals (from the oppo remote as well as one other remote) as power on/off. i would power the player on and try to scroll thru the menu, but as soon as i hit any other button, the player would shut off. initially, i thought my remote was the issue, but then i tried adjusting my tv volume and guess what...the player shut off again. has anyone else experienced this issue? kinda crazy, i know, but my conclusion is that the player is interpreting different RF signals as power on/off commands. not sure what to do...for the time being, i'm using my iphone as the remote.

Do you have CEC turned on? Do other elements in your system have CEC? Strange things can happen with multiple CEC devices from different manufacturers. I would check this first and if that isn't it, contact Oppo.
post #10283 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

I do have a remote but it's an Oppo 93 remote. The player has the power cord and the Oppo 93 remote and Oppo 93 wi-fi dongle. Apparently it's petty hard to get discounts on the Oppo players as the dealer margins are low so $399 sound pretty good to me...

R

You'll want to replace the remote. There are buttons missing from the 93 remote that are important for operation of the 103. Replacement remotes are inexpensive -- see the OPPO Digital web site.

I can't recall whether the Wifi dongle for the 93 is supposed to work on the 103 or not. Email OPPO Tech Support with that question. You might also ask what a 103 Wifi dongle replacement would cost if the 93 Wifi dongle does NOT work in the 103.

An open box resale could be a store demo unit or a unit returned by a previous purchaser. In the latter case, a concern would be why the unit got returned. Sometimes there's no problem at all (e.g. the buyer decided he'd prefer a 105 instead).

The Warranty status of open box resales from authorized dealers is probably a bit technical, but so long as whoever had the unit before you didn't already register it with OPPO, I doubt there will be any issues. OPPO is pretty forgiving when it comes to Warranties.
--Bob
post #10284 of 16361
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Originally Posted by EdBag4 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Before doing anything else, be sure to try the setting reductions I described. In particular be sure you try turning 1080p/24 OFF.

If you can't get it to work at the lower bandwidth settings, then yes, download a fresh copy of 0522B from OPPO's web site and re-install that.

If still no Joy, them email OPPO Tech Support. The monitor email even on the weekends.
--Bob

I have tried the various changes mentioned by you and Bill (480p, deep color off, 3D off , color space set to the 4:4:4 option,), I get a Home Screen picture using HDMI output 1 initially, when I try to scroll to setup I get the snow screen (looks like an old analog set not receiving a channel) then it loses connection and it won't come back until both the Oppo and the projector have been powered down and back up, HDMI output 2 still works fine. I downloaded and re-installed 522, reset default settings, same outcome.

I am going to email this info to Oppo to see what they recommend.

Thanks for the troubleshooting tips.

Best,
Ed

It's possible of course that your HDMI 1 output chose just this point in time to give up the ghost. If so, a Warranty repair will take care of you.

But diagnosing what's really failing in an HDMI setup is tricky. I'm sure OPPO will have additional suggestions for tests. Work with them on this as it's no fun sending the unit off for service and then discovering the same thing is happening when it comes back.

One way or another, they'll get you going again. Of course, you should use HDMI 2 output as a workaround for now.
--Bob
post #10285 of 16361
Does anyone know if there is a way to repeat the last 15 to 20 seconds of a movie with the remote? It was possible to do with my Panny but I haven't been able to find it on the Oppo 103.
post #10286 of 16361
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

Does anyone know if there is a way to repeat the last 15 to 20 seconds of a movie with the remote? It was possible to do with my Panny but I haven't been able to find it on the Oppo 103.

Nope, not in the current firmware. Use Rewind, Speed 1 instead to back up a bit.

(Some Blu-ray discs include an "Eh? I missed that!" feature which is part of the disc's BD-Java programming (as opposed to something the OPPO implements): Press the Yellow button and the disc will not only back up a bit but it will temporarily enable the Subtitles during the portion replayed.)
--Bob
post #10287 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Dual Display setting is getting audio to your TV's speakers because Split A/V mutes audio on the HDMI 1 output when both HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 are live and Dual Display does not. But I take it when you do Dual Display you STILL don't get audio via the Receiver, right?

Anyway, this demonstrates that the DVR is set up to send audio on HDMI, and makes it unlikely you have confused which output is which on the back of the OPPO, so the problem must be in the handshake with your Receiver.

Try this: Disconnect the HDMI *OUTPUT* of your Receiver and see if things now work.

If that fixes it, then the DVR is not properly implementing what's called Repeater Processing -- the portion of the HDMI handshake that deals with having to do it THROUGH an intervening device, in this case your Receiver. SInce you say it USED to be working, something must have changed.

The sorts of things that might have change would be a difference in the HDMI path from the Receiver to the TV (for example different sockets or something added in that path), or things like turning on HDMI CEC, or changing the HDMI "pass through" settings in the Receiver.

Also, while playing the DVR into the HDMI IN-BACK Input, press Info button on the OPPO remote. The on-screen display will show what is coming in from the DVR (top line) and what is going out on both HDMI outputs (bottom line).
--Bob

Sorry for the long delay..was on vacation....

When I disconnect the AV receiver's HDMI output (going to the TV), nothing changes. I turned everything off and on again to make sure.
My settings are still as above -
When I try to watch TV, hitting info on Oppo shows.
on the top - HDMI In back : Audio dolby digital 5.1 48k, Video 1080i@60Hz RGB24b 16:9
on the bottom - HDMI 1 : 1080P@60Hz 4:4:4 24b No audio, HDMI 2 : 1080P@60Hz 4:4:4 24b Bitstream
When I watch a DVD with the same settings, I hear the audio. The Oppo doesn't show the same HDMI1 / HDMI2 info on the bottom - just says Dolby TruHD and other parameters.

I was led to believe that splitting the audio and video would allow the Oppo to do some processing of the DVR video and improve it, and that function is not enabled when outputting audio and video through the same HDMI channel.

Any further suggestions?
Chris
post #10288 of 16361
Chris, that OPPO Info display during DVR playback is correct for a setting of Split A/V. You should be getting DD 5.1 Bitstream audio from the OPPO into your AVR. You say that's not happening?

When you do that, what does the AVR (on that HDMI 2 connection) say it is receiving as audio input from the OPPO?
--Bob
post #10289 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It's possible of course that your HDMI 1 output chose just this point in time to give up the ghost. If so, a Warranty repair will take care of you.

But diagnosing what's really failing in an HDMI setup is tricky. I'm sure OPPO will have additional suggestions for tests. Work with them on this as it's no fun sending the unit off for service and then discovering the same thing is happening when it comes back.

One way or another, they'll get you going again. Of course, you should use HDMI 2 output as a workaround for now.
--Bob

Oppo support got back with me today (Sunday!). One of their recommendations was to try output 1 on another display (duh, I should have already done that), output 1 works fine on a LCD monitor I have. The cable and input on the projector are known good because they are working without issue from output 2. It appears there is compatibility issue with Output 1 and my Benq W1070. I will be looking into this further to see if others are having the same issue. If anyone has run into this please let me know.

Best,
Ed
Edited by EdBag4 - 7/14/13 at 8:41pm
post #10290 of 16361
There are posts about that particular model of Benq having problems with other source devices too. Try checking its owners thread for a firmware update.
--Bob
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