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post #10441 of 16367
Getting more specfic - when using Coaxial/Optical set to LPCM and Secondary Audio ON what happens?

The chart in the manual makes it clear that with coax/optical set to BITSTREAM and when encoded tracks are played, something changes. It is not as clear for LPCM setting, which is what I would be using.
Edited by kellybob - 7/23/13 at 12:04am
post #10442 of 16367
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Here is the other way to write that statement correctly. smile.gif

"When Secondary Audio is set to OFF, and the player encounters a DISC with a secondary audio track or menu sounds you will not here those sounds.:"

With Secondary Audio set to OFF there will be no secondary audio played. smile.gif


Yes, I undertand this.

Secondary Audio off means no menu sounds and no secondary audio. Paying more attention to what I am reading, menu sounds ARE secondary audio and so no need to actually speak of them separately, at least as far as what I am trying to figure out (what specific conditions cause resolution loss).
Edited by kellybob - 7/23/13 at 12:07am
post #10443 of 16367
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If the disc has Secondary Audio, whether or not you choose to use it, setting Secondary Audio ON in the player starts the process. That's required by the Blu-ray spec since BD-Java programming on the disc can initiate mixing without warning. However, even though the primary track is decoded (and re-encoded if using Bitstream output) there's no actual mixing unless Secondary Audio is present. That depends on the authoring of the disc and the settings you select in the disc's menus.
--Bob

I am getting worn out thinking about the possible combinations!

So is it correct that even with Secondary Audio ON, that there is no resoltuion loss or re-encoding unless I explicity chose the secondary audio track or when actually accessing a menu?

Or is it, the above would be logical and might be followed, but some discs might be authored in a way that they will reduce resolution of the primary audio track even when one has not explictly chosen to hear the secondary audio track, or might reduce the resolution depending on how one sets things within the disc, or .... so the only way to make sure the resolution is not reduced is to keep Secondary Audio OFF?

Now knowing that analog audio and HDMI LPCM will never have reduced resolution or re-encoding no matter what the Secondary Audio Setting.
post #10444 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

Bought oppo 103.
Connect Oppo to Synology 213 through gigabit switch, tried two different Switch and wireless router. At the movies with high bit-rate (Avatar 3D) twitches(freeze) in difficult scenes.
And if connect by WiFi twitches less. Where to look? Or oppo can not play TRUE HD from network?
Please help!
Or try to connect with 100Mb switch, because Oppo support only 100Mb network.

no ideas?
post #10445 of 16367
A little hidden gem of the new beta for me is that it now saves the playing position of SMB files and offers to resume when continuing an unfinished movie later on. The same way as a disc can be resumed. This is something I had sent to Oppo's suggestion box a few weeks ago and they came through. Oppo's great customer service (if not THE greatest) strikes again!
post #10446 of 16367
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Originally Posted by jboileau View Post

A little hidden gem of the new beta for me is that it now saves the playing position of SMB files and offers to resume when continuing an unfinished movie later on. The same way as a disc can be resumed. This is something I had sent to Oppo's suggestion box a few weeks ago and they came through. Oppo's great customer service (if not THE greatest) strikes again!

Yes, Auto resume is a nice feature, but regrettably a fair share of BD discs do not support this function. Personally, I think the limitation to six saved positions is too restrictive - with today´s memory capacity it should be no problem to increase the number substantially.
post #10447 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

no ideas?

We had a case a while ago where wired ethernet was not performing as well as wireless, which is the reverse of the usual case.

I forget the resolution. Perhaps someone else will recall?

-Bill
post #10448 of 16367
Can anyone expalin the benefits of "deep color" settings and when I should use them? I watch cable TV through my OPPO and also watch Blue Ray's.
post #10449 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

Bought oppo 103.
Connect Oppo to Synology 213 through gigabit switch, tried two different Switch and wireless router. At the movies with high bit-rate (Avatar 3D) twitches(freeze) in difficult scenes.
And if connect by WiFi twitches less. Where to look? Or oppo can not play TRUE HD from network?
Please help!
Or try to connect with 100Mb switch, because Oppo support only 100Mb network.
Are you using SAMBA shares or the Synology built in Media Server?
post #10450 of 16367
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Originally Posted by STEVE MORRILL View Post

Can anyone expalin the benefits of "deep color" settings and when I should use them? I watch cable TV through my OPPO and also watch Blue Ray's.

"Off" is what I use. It is of very minor importance.

The old BDP-83 FAQ has some background info: Does the player support Deep Color?

-Bill
post #10451 of 16367
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Originally Posted by STEVE MORRILL View Post

Can anyone expalin the benefits of "deep color" settings and when I should use them? I watch cable TV through my OPPO and also watch Blue Ray's.

From my understanding there is not anything out utilizing the "deep color" I too have mine off. my TV can except it but when it was on I had a bunch of video noise. Reading through this novel of a thread common procedure is to turn it off for trouble shooting. OPPO also recommends this too.
post #10452 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

Bought oppo 103.
Connect Oppo to Synology 213 through gigabit switch, tried two different Switch and wireless router. At the movies with high bit-rate (Avatar 3D) twitches(freeze) in difficult scenes.
And if connect by WiFi twitches less. Where to look? Or oppo can not play TRUE HD from network?
Please help!
Or try to connect with 100Mb switch, because Oppo support only 100Mb network.

Hard to say what might be happening here. Like asked above, are you utilizing the Synology Media Server or other?
I've got about 200 BDs ripped to my Synology 1812+ (ripped / played my first 3D last weekend) and they stream to both my OPPO 93 and 103 flawlessly, wired LAN through switches and router etc. I've had some issues with subtitles but never twiching or shuddering.

What format/container are your movies in - MKV, M2TS etc - and are you utilizing subtitles?

Cheers
post #10453 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

Bought oppo 103.
Connect Oppo to Synology 213 through gigabit switch, tried two different Switch and wireless router. At the movies with high bit-rate (Avatar 3D) twitches(freeze) in difficult scenes.
And if connect by WiFi twitches less. Where to look? Or oppo can not play TRUE HD from network?
Please help!
Or try to connect with 100Mb switch, because Oppo support only 100Mb network.
All my media files are stored on an Synology 212+ NAS and passed over a 10/100 wired network and switch gear. I'm able to play .M2TS and MKV contained files up-to 70Mbps via UPnP and SMB without issues...
post #10454 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

Bought oppo 103.
Connect Oppo to Synology 213 through gigabit switch, tried two different Switch and wireless router. At the movies with high bit-rate (Avatar 3D) twitches(freeze) in difficult scenes.
And if connect by WiFi twitches less. Where to look? Or oppo can not play TRUE HD from network?
Please help!
Or try to connect with 100Mb switch, because Oppo support only 100Mb network.
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

All my media files are stored on an Synology 212+ NAS and passed over a 10/100 wired network and switch gear. I'm able to play .M2TS and MKV contained files up-to 70Mbps via UPnP and SMB without issues...
+1

I'm using a Synology 212j (i.e. "toy" NAS) and it streams everything just fine via my gigabit network, including very high bitrate videos (m2ts/mkv) with HD Audio using DLNA (Synology's Media Server). I did find that my wired network, although gigabit, required some serious tweaking. I had to update the firmware on my Netgear Smart switches as well as adjust the QoS to provide priority for the HD streams as there are two gigabit switches between the NAS and the Oppo on my network.
post #10455 of 16367
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

Hard to say what might be happening here. Like asked above, are you utilizing the Synology Media Server or other?
I've got about 200 BDs ripped to my Synology 1812+ (ripped / played my first 3D last weekend) and they stream to both my OPPO 93 and 103 flawlessly, wired LAN through switches and router etc. I've had some issues with subtitles but never twiching or shuddering.

What format/container are your movies in - MKV, M2TS etc - and are you utilizing subtitles?

Cheers

I am use media server whitch included in Synology. I play BDMV files. I use subtittles too, all good. But have freeze in moves:(
post #10456 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

I am use media server whitch included in Synology. I play BDMV files. I use subtittles too, all good. But have freeze in moves:(

You mean M2TS files? If the film is split across multiple files you will have pauses between files.

The player doesn't support BDMV folders as such.

-Bill
post #10457 of 16367
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You mean M2TS files? If the film is split across multiple files you will have pauses between files.

The player doesn't support BDMV folders as such.

-Bill


I have old firmware which support BDMV folders throught AVCHD. This freezes depends on network connectoin, because trouth wifi freezes less.
post #10458 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

This freezes depends on network connectoin, because trouth wifi freezes less.
This is very good evidence that the problem resides with the wired network itself.
post #10459 of 16367
^ If you are using a combination of Gigabit and Megabit networking hardware double-check that "flow control" is enabled in them. Otherwise the Gigabit stuff will overrun the Megabit stuff and you'll have excessive packet loss and packet resends.

A classic symptom would be wired having more problems than Wifi since wired runs faster.
--Bob
post #10460 of 16367
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

This is very good evidence that the problem resides with the wired network itself.

But with direct connect from oppo to gigabit swich, from switch to NAS seems freeze more. Try 3 different switches. Now buy new cables, will test it after work.
post #10461 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

But with direct connect from oppo to gigabit swich, from switch to NAS seems freeze more. Try 3 different switches. Now buy new cables, will test it after work.
Yes, but the switch itself can be an issue---particularly non-configurable switches.

FWIW, for example I'm now using Netgear ProSafe Plus switches (a GS105E and a GS108E). Both allow the user to set traffic priority (QoS) on a per-port basis and that's what solved my stuttering/freezing issues compared to my original non-configurable gigabit switches.
Edited by bluechunks - 7/23/13 at 9:11am
post #10462 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

But with direct connect from oppo to gigabit swich, from switch to NAS seems freeze more. Try 3 different switches. Now buy new cables, will test it after work.

Make sure that the path from the Synology to the OPPO passes through your Router. That should solve the problem.

Most Switches for Home use do not support Flow Control while most home Routers do.

Wireless Access Points have to support Flow Control because the speed of the wireless link varies with conditions such as distance and interference.
post #10463 of 16367
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Originally Posted by RDHolmes View Post

Make sure that the path from the Synology to the OPPO passes through your Router. That should solve the problem.

Most Switches for Home use do not support Flow Control while most home Routers do.

Wireless Access Points have to support Flow Control because the speed of the wireless link varies with conditions such as distance and interference.

Thanks All for advice.
Problem resolved.
Cable, which i made by myself replaced with factory cable.
Now all good.
post #10464 of 16367
Question i have denon 1803 and running from 103 via analog to ext in on avr ..on oppo i change audio hdmi audio i put Bitstream and Coaxial/optical DSi did bitstream but im not useing optical NOW sacd should it be PCM OR DSD?? And should i change HDMI AUDIO to Auto,lpcm/Bitstream,or OFF ty smile.gifsmile.gif
post #10465 of 16367
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

David,

Now that you mention it, I think I heard 2 last night while watching HP7 part 2 with the kids when the disc was loading.

Yep, this is exactly what I am getting on multiple discs.
post #10466 of 16367
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Isn't the latest beta firmware release supposed to fix this problem?

I've loaded the latest beta firmware and still does it.
post #10467 of 16367
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Originally Posted by shedlerman View Post

Thanks All for advice.
Problem resolved.
Cable, which i made by myself replaced with factory cable.
Now all good.

Congratulations. I'm glad we didn't spend a few days diagnosing a home-made cable.

-Bill
post #10468 of 16367
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

Question i have denon 1803 and running from 103 via analog to ext in on avr ..on oppo i change audio hdmi audio i put Bitstream and Coaxial/optical DSi did bitstream but im not useing optical NOW sacd should it be PCM OR DSD?? And should i change HDMI AUDIO to Auto,lpcm/Bitstream,or OFF ty smile.gifsmile.gif

I'm usually pretty good at parsing broken English, but this one has me stumped.

Denniswrly, could you please ask this again, perhaps typed a little slower?
--Bob
post #10469 of 16367
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Isn't the latest beta firmware release supposed to fix this problem?

I've loaded the latest beta firmware and still does it.

Please describe what you are hearing, again. Does it happen at repeatable time codes? Does it happen for both Bitstream and LPCM output?

How are you cabled for audio and video?
--Bob
post #10470 of 16367
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Originally Posted by ntculenuf View Post

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Originally Posted by STEVE MORRILL View Post

Can anyone expalin the benefits of "deep color" settings and when I should use them? I watch cable TV through my OPPO and also watch Blue Ray's.

From my understanding there is not anything out utilizing the "deep color" I too have mine off. my TV can except it but when it was on I had a bunch of video noise. Reading through this novel of a thread common procedure is to turn it off for trouble shooting. OPPO also recommends this too.

Turning on Deep Color 30-bit or 36-bit increases the bandwidth on the HDMI cable and thus is more likely to run into problems if the cabling is marginal. Deep Color OFF means 24 bits per pixel. 30 and 36-bit are 30 bits or 36 bits per pixel.

There is no content recorded with more than 24 bits per pixel. However the video processing is done to a precision of more than 24 bits per pixel. Using 30 or 36-bit output allows those "rounding bits" to traverse the cable to the Display, which likely also does ITS internal video processing at more than 24 bits per pixel. In theory, you can get better video this way, but since you are talking about rounding bits, the differences are likely to be SUBTLE.

However, what many people discover when they actually try it is more noticeable video changes. These changes aren't "real". They represent quirks (read bugs) in what the AVR or the Display is doing with that video input.

Since they are bugs, there's no logic to them. So you can't predict which of the video formats will "get it wrong" in the AVR or Display. You just have to try it and see. It may be that 36-bit looks best, or 30-bit, or 24-bit, with the two "Dithered" options adding additional choices.

Reject any combos of Color Space (e.g., YCbCr 4:4:4) and Deep Color settings which produce noticeably inferior results. Those are the "bugs" in the AVR or Display.

If everything is WORKING CORRECTLY there will be NO such combos that need to be rejected.

From the ones that are left -- the ones that seem correct -- now you can start looking for the "real" differences, which as I said should be subtle -- perhaps not visible at all.

To see such subtle differences you have to start with a properly calibrated Display. If the Display calibration is off, then what it is doing will likely mask any such subtle, "real" differences.

NOTE: Another way that Displays "get it wrong" is that their Calibration needs to be different for some combos of Color Space and Deep Color input. So you have to check you have equally good calibration for each such combo you want to compare -- making changes as necessary as you switch combos to get a fair comparison. If everything is "working right", there should be NO CHANGE NEEDED in calibration for each input combo, but you can't know that until you check.

The subtle, "real" differences in Deep color's impact on these combos are hard to spot in traditional calibration charts. Basically they show in color "ramps" and the ramps used in charts make rounding errors hard to see because they only span a pixel or two.

It is better to judge with real content imagery. One test I've found helpful is the imagery in Chapter 10 of "Ratatouille", Blu-ray. Search for posts by me in this thread discussing "Ratatouille" and you'll find the details.

If after all this -- after rejecting the combos that "get it wrong", and confirming proper calibration for the combos that "get it right" -- you STILL can't see a difference, then use the smallest Deep Color choice that works equally well -- e.g., Deep Color OFF if that's one -- as that puts less bandwidth on the HDMI cable and thus less chance of HDMI transmission or handshake problems.
--Bob
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