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post #10861 of 16416
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Originally Posted by lifeis11 View Post

wow good info - how much did that set you back?


sidebar - kinda - related...

i thought older Oppo's could do SACD over digital coax...? are you asserting that DSD is never allowed over a digital transport due to copy protection? how would anyone ever use a stand alone DAC in such a scenario then?

It's never been allowed on an OPPO player, and as far as I know SACD licensing forbids it.

-Bill
post #10862 of 16416
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Originally Posted by lifeis11 View Post

i thought older Oppo's could do SACD over digital coax...? are you asserting that DSD is never allowed over a digital transport due to copy protection? how would anyone ever use a stand alone DAC in such a scenario then?

The older Oppos could pass on the 192kHz from DVD-A via digital coax (at least I have read about this). SACD is only possible via HDMI or via analog outs. In case you want to use an extern DAC you need such a De-embedder between HDMI Out 2 of the Oppo and Coax In of your DAC.
post #10863 of 16416
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Originally Posted by lifeis11 View Post

wow good info - how much did that set you back?


sidebar - kinda - related...

i thought older Oppo's could do SACD over digital coax...? are you asserting that DSD is never allowed over a digital transport due to copy protection? how would anyone ever use a stand alone DAC in such a scenario then?

Don't all the stand-alone DACs that do DSD handle the DSD signal via USB and not via optical or coax?
post #10864 of 16416
Yes, DSD ready DACs handle DSD files via USB.
post #10865 of 16416
The only methods I've ever seen for DSD from an SACD player to a receiver/amp are HDMI and Firewire (i.LINK in Sony parlance). Optical and coaxial digital have always been limited to 2 channel PCM, and Dolby Digital or DTS bitstream.
post #10866 of 16416
Sorry. Wrong forum.
post #10867 of 16416
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

You need to post your question in the dedicated Oppo BDP-103 forum.

Isn't this the dedicated 103 thread confused.gif?

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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

The older Oppos could pass on the 192kHz from DVD-A via digital coax (at least I have read about this). SACD is only possible via HDMI or via analog outs. In case you want to use an extern DAC you need such a De-embedder between HDMI Out 2 of the Oppo and Coax In of your DAC.

But that is PCM only not DSD, correct?

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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The only methods I've ever seen for DSD from an SACD player to a receiver/amp are HDMI and Firewire (i.LINK in Sony parlance). Optical and coaxial digital have always been limited to 2 channel PCM, and Dolby Digital or DTS bitstream.

What about analog?

Bill
post #10868 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Golfx View Post

Lately my SC-61 started flickering 20 min into operation, then stopped video output while sound is still playing. First I thought it was my cable box, but when playing DVD (Oppo 103) from different HDMI input, same thing happened. I checked TV (60" plasma TV, Panasonic GT50) by direct connecting cable box or DVD player to it, TV is fine. This happens even when I have the receiver on standby, and HDMI on passing through mode. Turning video processing on or off didn't help. Anyone experienced the same or knows what is going on?

Thanks!

Sean

Is there a thread for this model in the receiver forum? You should ask there. Since player direct to TV is ok it sounds like an AVR issue, although there could be some interaction with the player. You need to eliminate the AVR as the problem source first.

-Bill
post #10869 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

But that is PCM only not DSD, correct?
Yes, correct. PCM only.
post #10870 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Yes, correct. PCM only.

If one has the capability to send DSD direct to their processor or preamp from the 103 why would one want to down convert SACD to PCM?

Bill
post #10871 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Jammers10 View Post

I have the OPPO 103 model blu-ray player connected to my Yamaha receiver via HDMI. DVD's play just fine but when i play a blu-ray disc i get no sound. The receiver supports all the HD audio formats so i have to think the settings are not right somewhere. Any help would be appreciated.

Would help if you specify HOW the player is connected to TV and AVR. Do the BD disc menus and features have audio?
post #10872 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

If one has the capability to send DSD direct to their processor or preamp from the 103 why would one want to down convert SACD to PCM?
I always would prefer the DSD direct way. In my setup I don`t have a DSD ready AVR. My Lyngdorf amp understands PCM (I bought it without the A/D card, it means no analog inputs) so this De-embedder "rescued" me. I take it as provisorium till I find an affordable DSD network player or till I can afford the LUMIN eek.gif
post #10873 of 16416
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Would help if you specify HOW the player is connected to TV and AVR. Do the BD disc menus and features have audio?
The blu-ray player is connected to my A/V receiver with a HDMI cable and the receiver is connected to my Plasma TV through the ARC HDMI port.
post #10874 of 16416
Also there is audio when i play the special features.
post #10875 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

I always would prefer the DSD direct way. In my setup I don`t have a DSD ready AVR. My Lyngdorf amp understands PCM (I bought it without the A/D card, it means no analog inputs) so this De-embedder "rescued" me. I take it as provisorium till I find an affordable DSD network player or till I can afford the LUMIN eek.gif

Thanks for your thoughts smile.gif.

Bill
post #10876 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

What about analog?

Bill

Analog isn't DSD. I'm talking about carrying DSD to your receiver or amp before converting it to analog. When using analog outputs on the SACD player (Oppo or other), the DSD is converted to analog in the SACD player.
post #10877 of 16416
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Analog isn't DSD. I'm talking about carrying DSD to your receiver or amp before converting it to analog. When using analog outputs on the SACD player (Oppo or other), the DSD is converted to analog in the SACD player.

I'll be honest and admit I'm not the most technically knowledgable person AVS. But what is the difference if DSD is converted in the Oppo to analog then output to an AVR/prepro analog input compared to the AVR/prepro converting DSD to analog? I'm assuming that the DSD to analog conversion has to happen at some point. So the only difference I could see is the quality of the conversion depending on ones gear. But my thought process on this could be totally wrong.

Bill
post #10878 of 16416
^^
You're right. The difference is whether the DAC in the Oppo versus the DAC in the receiver is employed in the conversion. An advantage of letting the receiver do it is the ability to use Audyssey or other room correction software in the receiver, which can't be used with analog sources.
post #10879 of 16416
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

An advantage of letting the receiver do it is the ability to use Audyssey or other room correction software in the receiver, which can't be used with analog sources.

True. But then isn't DSD converted to PCM when processing such as room correction is used?

Bill
post #10880 of 16416
Yes.
post #10881 of 16416
I need to input 3 hdmi devices( apple tv3,, dish dvr 722 and ROKU stick ) but the 103 only has 2 hdmi inputs. None of the HDMI switchers to date will work automatically as the ATV3 and/or the dish dvr send some kind of signal that fools the auto switch into thinking it is still"on" which pretty much disables the auto switching feature of the HDMI auto switcher.

My goal is to not have to manually switch or use an extra remote to switch??
post #10882 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I'll be honest and admit I'm not the most technically knowledgable person AVS. But what is the difference if DSD is converted in the Oppo to analog then output to an AVR/prepro analog input compared to the AVR/prepro converting DSD to analog? I'm assuming that the DSD to analog conversion has to happen at some point. So the only difference I could see is the quality of the conversion depending on ones gear. But my thought process on this could be totally wrong.

Bill

I'm sorry. My original reply was in respect to the comments about SACD/DSD over digital coax to a receiver, so I was speaking specifically of delivering the digital DSD signal to the receiver before conversion to analog. I wasn't intending to stir a debate over whether DSD to analog conversion is best performed in the player or receiver, or to imply that digital delivery to the receiver was superior to analog. I believe using analog outputs from an SACD player has been the most common way to play back SACDs. You are right, the difference is going to mostly be the difference in how the DACs in each piece of equipment perform, and how they interact if the one in the receiver/amp cannot be bypassed (meaning the analog is re-digitized into PCM at the receiver).
post #10883 of 16416
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I'm sorry. My original reply was in respect to the comments about SACD/DSD over digital coax to a receiver, so I was speaking specifically of delivering the digital DSD signal to the receiver before conversion to analog. I wasn't intending to stir a debate over whether DSD to analog conversion is best performed in the player or receiver, or to imply that digital delivery to the receiver was superior to analog. I believe using analog outputs from an SACD player has been the most common way to play back SACDs. You are right, the difference is going to mostly be the difference in how the DACs in each piece of equipment perform, and how they interact if the one in the receiver/amp cannot be bypassed (meaning the analog is re-digitized into PCM at the receiver).

KC,

No need to apologize as I understood where you were coming from smile.gif. I honestly didn't think you were trying to stir any debate with your thoughts. Although the discussion was somewhat OT I'm always gaining more knowledge on this topic.

Bill
post #10884 of 16416
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Originally Posted by em0ti0n View Post

Currently, we are not getting 24Hz as well as 50Hz from MKV files. I let Oppo know about this already, through their support. They are aware of it, that was their response.

My MKVs files, mostly 1080p/24 and 576p/50, are straight rips of my Blurays and DVDs respectively (made using MakeMKV). They are all being recognized as 29.990 framerate files on the latest firmware.

Well I finally got the player and used it a little with success but upgraded to latest firmware and now my MKVs won't auto-switch to 24hz or 50hz like you say. The worst thing is:

1) You can't downgrade (WHY!?)

2) I read this thread to see if anything was bad about latest firmware but didn't read it carefully enough to see this problem.

Frankly, I didn't expect something this major being broken in an official release of the firmware. This is the last time I upgrade without waiting some time and reading user reports. I'm pretty disappointed in Oppo and I sent them a message. I basically only use the player with MKV files and tons are in 1080p24 or 576i50. This makes this player useless for me until it is resolved. frown.gif

On another note I was getting moire patterns in 1080p24 hd movies unless I put deinterlacing mode to "Film". Why does the Oppo even tries to deinterlace if the video is progressive? It didn't happen often in a typical movie but even once is too much for a player that is all about picture quality.
post #10885 of 16416
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Well I finally got the player and used it a little with success but upgraded to latest firmware and now my MKVs won't auto-switch to 24hz or 50hz like you say. The worst thing is:

1) You can't downgrade (WHY!?)

In the past we were told that the Netflix DRM scheme is constantly evolving and licensing does not permit regression. The other online services may be involved as well.
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2) I read this thread to see if anything was bad about latest firmware but didn't read it carefully enough to see this problem.

Frankly, I didn't expect something this major being broken in an official release of the firmware. This is the last time I upgrade without waiting some time and reading user reports.

A very wise policy.
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I basically only use the player with MKV files and tons are in 1080p24 or 576i50. This makes this player useless for me until it is resolved. frown.gif

Your life has no meaning at 60hz?
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On another note I was getting moire patterns in 1080p24 hd movies unless I put deinterlacing mode to "Film". Why does the Oppo even tries to deinterlace if the video is progressive? It didn't happen often in a typical movie but even once is too much for a player that is all about picture quality.

That makes no sense. If you can provide a consistent test case you should get the details to OPPO support.

-Bill
post #10886 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

In the past we were told that the Netflix DRM scheme is constantly evolving and licensing does not permit regression. The other online services may be involved as well.
A very wise policy.
Your life has no meaning at 60hz?
That makes no sense. If you can provide a consistent test case you should get the details to OPPO support.

-Bill

The no downgrade is a pity for me if this is the reason since I don't care about Netflix.

I need to check for PQ but I am not really interested in viewing my HD movies with "invented frames" when I can play them in native Hz with PS3 or Dune. So yeah 60Hz only is a deal breaker. I would not have bought the Oppo if it was like that to begin with while playing MKVs,

I suppose the best way to give Oppo the infos for the moiré problem is to take pictures of the problem with the screen paused at the correct places? I will do that. I'll have to create m2ts now or something else than MKV for this purpose because it does not happen in 60Hz now it seems OR they fixed it. I'll check that it's still present at 24Hz before sending a bug report.
post #10887 of 16416
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

I would not have bought the Oppo if it was like that to begin with while playing MKVs,

We all hope it will be fixed soon.

-Bill
post #10888 of 16416
I had an Internet interruption and now my 103 will only turn on and off. I have a disc in the tray but it will not eject. No buttons work on the unit or the remote. Help!
post #10889 of 16416
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Originally Posted by atlantasteve View Post

I had an Internet interruption and now my 103 will only turn on and off. I have a disc in the tray but it will not eject. No buttons work on the unit or the remote. Help!
....did you try unplugging it for 5 minutes?
post #10890 of 16416
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Originally Posted by atlantasteve View Post

I had an Internet interruption and now my 103 will only turn on and off. I have a disc in the tray but it will not eject. No buttons work on the unit or the remote. Help!

Boot failure.
If unplugging it doesn't help, remove all connections and then power it up. Does it now get past "hello" or "Oppo" on the front panel? If it gets to loading the disc, then re-connect the video cable. If its OK then go ahead and connect the rest, rebooting before and after.
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