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post #11101 of 16443
The 4K mastered Total Recall is sharper, more colorful and has perfect audio. I own it.
post #11102 of 16443

i put sharpness at +1 only for dvd playback, on HDMI1; (i never watch SD Tv).

i find that overall, the images look more like BR than without it: the image is more tridimensional.

post #11103 of 16443
I will post this again. I have the original and it plays fine after the last firmware released in April.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Reports are that the "Mastered in 4k" copy of Total Recall does not suffer the audio dropouts of the standard version. Unfortunately, that disc only contains the theatrical cut (no unrated cut) and has no bonus features.
post #11104 of 16443
Hi Guys,

I have been outputing audio from my Oppo to HDMI as bitstream as recommended in some of the posts here. But my AVR does not decode DTS-MA, TrueHD or any hirez audio format. Its a Denon AVR-888 (same as an AVR-2308ci). Now the display of my Denon says 'DTS surround' when I have the DTS MA selected as the audio track of a BluRay. Does this means that what my AVR receives is a compressed DTS bitstream? Does the Oppo negotiate with my AVR an then stream a lesser audio track to my Denon?

If so wouldn't I be better off using LPCM so that the Oppo, which has better decoding capabilities, do the decoding and sends the full audio uncompressed stream to my AVR as 'Multi Channel'?

I tend to stand clear of Auto prefering to use LPCM or Bitstream to minimize HDMI handshake.
post #11105 of 16443
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Originally Posted by jboileau View Post

Does this means that what my AVR receives is a compressed DTS bitstream? Does the Oppo negotiate with my AVR an then stream a lesser audio track to my Denon?

Yes, that is standard behavior when sending HD audio to devices that cannot accept it.
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If so wouldn't I be better off using LPCM so that the Oppo, which has better decoding capabilities, do the decoding and sends the full audio uncompressed stream to my AVR as 'Multi Channel'?

Yes.
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I tend to stand clear of Auto prefering to use LPCM or Bitstream to minimize HDMI handshake.

Me, too. Enthusiasts should know the correct settings rather than relying on AUTO anything. That's in the FAQ so it must be true.

-Bill
post #11106 of 16443
^^^ Thanks Bill!
post #11107 of 16443
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Just backwards. The OPPO IS applying Dialog Normalization for LPCM output. Your AVR also needs to do that for Bitstream input for them to match.

The unit doing the decoding applies this.
--Bob

The AVR is indicating that it is applying dialog normalization of +4, which I believe means that it is boosting the output 4 dB above reference. There is no way to turn this on or off on the AVR that I can find. It is not mentioned at all in the operation manual for the AVR, but the display on the AVR indicates DIAL NORM +4 when the DTS or Dolby bitstreams start to play from the Spears and Munsil disc. DIAL NORM indications also appear on the AVR display when other discs are played, and when it is receiving DD bitstream from my TV.

If it were the Oppo applying the +4dB normalization correction and the AVR wasn't, wouldn't the LPCM be 4dB louder than the bitstream output? I'm pretty sure the +4 is the amount of the correction to be made, rather than the Dialnorm value which is always a negative number.

How do I know for sure that the OPPO is applying Dialog Normalization to the LPCM output? Does the Oppo indicate anywhere whether Dialog Normalization is taking place and how much is being applied?

Edit: Sorry, I think I forgot to mention above that the bitstream outputs are 4 dB louder than the LPCM.

The effect of Dialog Normalization on output volume is to REDUCE the volume after a decode that applies it. 4dB is the usual amount. The expectation is that the user will then raise Main Volume if necessary for a pleasing listening level.

The meta data is only ever present in the Bitstream -- never in the LPCM that results from the decode.

Your result suggests your AVR is reporting the presence of Dialog Normalization meta-data in the Bitstream input, but for some reason isn't actually applying it.

On AIX's, Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 Channel-ID track has 4dB Dialog Normalization encoded. The result SHOULD be that both LPCM and Bitstream output of that track produce the SAME volume, and that BOTH of those styles of output of that TrueHD track will be 4dB softer than the raw, LPCM 7.1 Channel-ID track.
--Bob
post #11108 of 16443
Is Post #1 no longer being updated with links to firmware releases? I'd been checking there when I thought I might have missed an in-line announcement. But maybe that's no longer the place to look?

Ken
post #11109 of 16443
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mainly because i love my HTPC setup and ...
I see smile.gif I had a HTPC 2-3 years ago but downsized my setup when I changed from surround to stereo.
post #11110 of 16443
Heyo, fellow Oppo peoples,

I've been hanging on to my BDP-93 to have a "reference" non-Cinavia player, but I really want that smb networking support.

On the 103, with the latest firmware, does playing .m2ts transport stream files over smb still work fine (no Cinavia kicking in...only when playing local full image rip)?
post #11111 of 16443
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Originally Posted by DigitalAV View Post

Heyo, fellow Oppo peoples,

I've been hanging on to my BDP-93 to have a "reference" non-Cinavia player, but I really want that smb networking support.

On the 103, with the latest firmware, does playing .m2ts transport stream files over smb still work fine (no Cinavia kicking in...only when playing local full image rip)?

Currently: no Cinavia detection on M2TS or MKV.

-Bill
post #11112 of 16443
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Is Post #1 no longer being updated with links to firmware releases? I'd been checking there when I thought I might have missed an in-line announcement. But maybe that's no longer the place to look?

Ken
Why do you think that?
post #11113 of 16443
Question. I'm running the new Beta firmware on my 103 and the 2.0 version of the iOS media control app. Oftentimes, when I negotiate through my files, the media control app cannot see either my folders or the tracks within the folders. This is pretty annoying.

Also, yesterday I had a crash where the Oppo continued playing what was on my HDD, but could not stop, fast forward, etc. Could not do it with the Oppo remote, or the front panel. Eventually had to pull the plug out of the Oppo to get it to stop.

My HDD is a Western Digital 2 Gb, which worked fine up til now.

Any thoughts on this?
post #11114 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Ronnie 1.8 View Post

I have the 103 and the Denon AVR-X4000. Running a single HDMI from the player (HDMI2) to the X4000, for testing purposes, I confirmed that Audyssey was indeed being applied to the DSD signal.

Are you sure? Look at your Denon manual, p. 236, it says no Audyssey available when you're playing DSD DIRECT signals.
post #11115 of 16443
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Is Post #1 no longer being updated with links to firmware releases? I'd been checking there when I thought I might have missed an in-line announcement. But maybe that's no longer the place to look?

Ken

Hmm, looks like NEUROMANCER didn't get around to it this time. Neither the current "Official" 0719 firmware, nor the "Public Beta" 0808B firmware have been added to the first post, although he published all the details in contemporary posts in this thread when those firmware releases happened.

Anyway, if you have a US model player, you can get all the details as well as the download links from the OPPO Digital web site here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx

--Bob
post #11116 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Lex22 View Post

Question. I'm running the new Beta firmware on my 103 and the 2.0 version of the iOS media control app. Oftentimes, when I negotiate through my files, the media control app cannot see either my folders or the tracks within the folders. This is pretty annoying.

Also, yesterday I had a crash where the Oppo continued playing what was on my HDD, but could not stop, fast forward, etc. Could not do it with the Oppo remote, or the front panel. Eventually had to pull the plug out of the Oppo to get it to stop.

My HDD is a Western Digital 2 Gb, which worked fine up til now.

Any thoughts on this?

I've seen a report of the new MediaControlHD app taking too long to populate folders from time to time -- i.e., it happens but takes longer than seems reasonable.

I suggest you email OPPO Tech Support with details on your setup. They may have additional questions to try to nail this down. Same for that player Crash.

By the way, if you have another instance of the player becoming unresponsive, there's a simpler way out than pulling the power cord. Simply press and release the power button once (Front Panel or Remote) and be patient for about 12 seconds. There's a failsafe mechanism which will force a player power down after a timer runs out if the player is not responding normally. The next power up will be "Energy Efficient" -- i.e., a complete power up from scratch -- even if you have Quick Start set.
--Bob
post #11117 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I've seen a report of the new MediaControlHD app taking too long to populate folders from time to time -- i.e., it happens but takes longer than seems reasonable.

I suggest you email OPPO Tech Support with details on your setup. They may have additional questions to try to nail this down. Same for that player Crash.

By the way, if you have another instance of the player becoming unresponsive, there's a simpler way out than pulling the power cord. Simply press and release the power button once (Front Panel or Remote) and be patient for about 12 seconds. There's a failsafe mechanism which will force a player power down after a timer runs out if the player is not responding normally. The next power up will be "Energy Efficient" -- i.e., a complete power up from scratch -- even if you have Quick Start set.
--Bob

Thanks for the tip.

I sent an email to Oppo with this issue (verbatim from my post) and I'm sure they'll respond.
post #11118 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Lex22 View Post

Thanks for the tip.

I sent an email to Oppo with this issue (verbatim from my post) and I'm sure they'll respond.

Already got a response back from Oppo. They say they've heard of this issue before me and are working on it.
post #11119 of 16443
Hi, I can't find an answer in this lengthy thread, but appreciate some guidance. Some of my network players will play a full album when selected through a controller (Linn Kinsky or similar), but the Oppo 105 only plays the first song. Is there a way to use the unit as a renderer and play full albums? Thanks!
post #11120 of 16443
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

I've watched Oblivion straight threw with no issues what so ever with my 103 threw my Integra DHC 80.3 . I'm currently viewing Olympus Has Fallen "great movie btw" also with no issues thus far . If I have time today I will try Total Recall since I haven't watched it since getting the 103.
I have my 103 doing the processing .
Bolded for emphasis (I have to disagree...it's pretty hideous).
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Bolded for emphasis (I have to disagree...it's pretty hideous).

+1.

Jacob
post #11122 of 16443
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Originally Posted by ReneZ View Post

Hi, I can't find an answer in this lengthy thread, but appreciate some guidance. Some of my network players will play a full album when selected through a controller (Linn Kinsky or similar), but the Oppo 105 only plays the first song. Is there a way to use the unit as a renderer and play full albums? Thanks!

The Oppo used to...(prior to the beta firmware a couple versions back..the one that added cue file support). I used to use Kinsky and it worked great (would play an entire album or a playlist that you compiled with the Kinsky app.). It hasn't worked since.
post #11123 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The effect of Dialog Normalization on output volume is to REDUCE the volume after a decode that applies it. 4dB is the usual amount. The expectation is that the user will then raise Main Volume if necessary for a pleasing listening level.

The meta data is only ever present in the Bitstream -- never in the LPCM that results from the decode.

Your result suggests your AVR is reporting the presence of Dialog Normalization meta-data in the Bitstream input, but for some reason isn't actually applying it.

On AIX's, Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 Channel-ID track has 4dB Dialog Normalization encoded. The result SHOULD be that both LPCM and Bitstream output of that track produce the SAME volume, and that BOTH of those styles of output of that TrueHD track will be 4dB softer than the raw, LPCM 7.1 Channel-ID track.
--Bob

Bob,

I believe you may be confusing the metadata value (which is always zero or negative) with the adjustment value. Based on the following webpost and article, Dialog Normalization can either INCREASE or REDUCE the volume (based on whether the metadata value is above or below -31): Understanding Dialog Normalization & Dialogue Normalization: Friend or Foe. This would seem to be supported by the fact that my AVR indicates DIAL NORM numbers both positive and negative, +4 when playing many but not all Blu-ray discs, and -3 on audio from several TV stations (-4 on one). However on all of my reference Blu-Ray discs with pink noise tests (S&M 2nd Edition, DVE HD Basics and the THX tests on Terminator 2) the AVR indicates DIAL NORM +4. So I think the AVR is showing the correction or adjustment value rather than the metadata value. The part that is confusing is whether the +4 displayed actually indicates a metadata value above -31 (requiring a volume reduction), and the -3 indicates a metadata value below -31 (requiring a volume increase), or if it is the other way around (numbers indicating the actual adjustment made). I have read that most movies are supposed to have a -4 dB dialog normalization. It's rather confusing the way it is displayed and there is not one word about it in the AVR operator's manual.

I've got a question in to find out exactly what metadata value the S&M 2nd Edition disc was authored with for dialog normalization, but don't have an answer yet. I haven't found another disc that with a different DIAL NORM number that has a long enough continuous volume tone to get a good SPL measurement. I just discovered this difference in the bitstream and LPCM volumes accidentally because I was trying to verify my audio sync settings on the AVR with all the different codec/LPCM possibilities, otherwise I never would have noticed it.

Brett

EDIT: I just re-read the info on the dialog normalization, and you are absolutely right Bob. I was missing the fact the metadata value only had a range of 0 to -31. With -31 being the no adjustment value, adjustments can only be negative meaning a REDUCTION in volume just as you said. Now I am seriously confused by the AVR showing both + and - numbers for DIAL NORM. I am at a complete loss as to what those numbers are in reference to.
Edited by KC-Technerd - 8/20/13 at 6:47am
post #11124 of 16443
Anyone still having some issues with the player producing a static like noise through the speakers between use generated media containers and when stopping playback of CD-Audio and SACD media?

I sent an email to OPPO back in May and and have done the latest software update but I am still hearing the static like noise. They told me the static like noise would be fixed soon but I am still hearing the static like noise.

While you are listening to a music CD, try to click on the NEXT button to hear the next song and you can hear the static like noise coming through the speakers. Come closer to your speaker about 1 feet away from either your left or right speaker. Or while you are listening to a music CD, just click on the STOP button on the remote and you can also hear the static like noise coming from your speakers.
post #11125 of 16443
^ Absolutely none on mine when listening to CDs with either Stop, Pause, or Next. Using HDMI out to a Pioneer Elite SC-77 AVR.
post #11126 of 16443
No static here except on really old CD's that were poorly mastered (tape hiss).
post #11127 of 16443
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

^ Absolutely none on mine when listening to CDs with either Stop, Pause, or Next. Using HDMI out to a Pioneer Elite SC-77 AVR.


I guess I should of told you how my 103 is connected to the receiver. I am using the RCA left and right cable to connect to the receiver (CD Out). I am not using the HDMI cable. This is for 2 channel music setup.

So I am thinking there might be something wrong with using the RCA Output. Take a look at the picture below of how I connected using the RCA cables on the back of the 103.

Look at the RED shape and click on the image to Enlarge:


Edited by mantaraydesign - 8/19/13 at 8:51pm
post #11128 of 16443
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post


I guess I should of told you how my 103 is connected to the receiver. I am using the RCA left and right cable to connect to the receiver (CD Out). I am not using the HDMI cable. This is for 2 channel music setup.

So I am thinking there might be something wrong with using the RCA Output. Take a look at the picture below of how I connected using the RCA cables on the back of the 103.

Look at the RED shape and click on the image to Enlarge:

I have my 103 connected directly via RCA to my Micromega IA-60 integrated amp and have no clicks and pops. I think we went over this somewhere earlier in the thread, but I think certain receivers/amps expressed these issues. I don't remember which and I don't remember if a solution was found. I may be off here, but grounding could be an issue?

post #11129 of 16443
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Originally Posted by globalnomad View Post

I have my 103 connected directly via RCA to my Micromega IA-60 integrated amp and have no clicks and pops. I think we went over this somewhere earlier in the thread, but I think certain receivers/amps expressed these issues. I don't remember which and I don't remember if a solution was found. I may be off here, but grounding could be an issue?


Let me try to listen to music by using the HDMI cable and see if I still hear the static like noise. If I do not hear the static like noise coming from the speakers, I believe the RCA might be the issue.
post #11130 of 16443
Does anybody know if the picture settings remain in effect during netflix playback, picture feels a bit soft sometimes , feel like increasing the sharpness up a notch.
I have my display sharpness level set at +2 but beyond that it seems artifacts are introduced.
Thanks
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