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post #121 of 16420
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I see what you are saying. Its a bug in the Oppo handshake. I agree that one should not get this warning. I can reproduce it going from a local channel to HBO, 501, almost every time. An easy work around is tune to the channel, get the error, power off the Oppo only, turn it back on, select HDMI In, and it works fine after that.

As I suggested above, you too should try using LPCM audio output instead of Bitstream from the set top box to see if that makes a difference here. Again, as a diagnostic.

If I'm right, then an easier workaround when using Bitstream will be to set the OPPO back to the Blu-ray Play Input and then back to your choice of HDMI Input.
--Bob
post #122 of 16420
I submitted a report to Oppo on the error wih copyright protection with the HDDVR and pay channels on Directv.

FYI, I carrying audio from Directv via digi coax, not the HDMI 2 out on the Oppo (I was getting glitches trying to pass the Directv audio to my AVR). I found the lip sync to be a little off, so I set my AVR for a 200ms delay, and it looks fine now.
post #123 of 16420
^ Even though you are using Optical audio, try setting the set top box to output LPCM over HDMI as Bitstream is the likely default.
--Bob
post #124 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

As I suggested above, you too should try using LPCM audio output instead of Bitstream from the set top box to see if that makes a difference here. Again, as a diagnostic.
If I'm right, then an easier workaround when using Bitstream will be to set the OPPO back to the Blu-ray Play Input and then back to your choice of HDMI Input.
--Bob

I set the Directv DVR to PCM out, instead of Dolby Digital, and I still get the copyright window and blank screen. Power cycle of Oppo, with everything else left on, fixes it. If you power up everything, on say HBO, you still get the window. It requires me to power cycle the Oppo once tuned to the channel with everything else left on, every time.
post #125 of 16420
^ Rather than a power cycle of the OPPO, try changing it to Blu-ray Player Input and then back to your HDMI Input.
--Bob
post #126 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Rather than a power cycle of the OPPO, try changing it to Blu-ray Player Input and then back to your HDMI Input.
--Bob

Powered all up, switch to HDMI In, tuned from CBS to HBO and got warning. Hit input, changed to Blu-ray player and back, and it fixed the issue just as powering off did.

Another oddity. If Im on CBS and go to HBO, get warning. If I get on an HBO, use the fix, I can then tune to any other premium without error. As soon as I leave the premiums, to say go back to CBS, then back to HBO, get error again smile.gif
post #127 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The Windows utilities we've heard about (Virtual Clone Drive, etc) want the ISO file to appear as a letter drive emulating an optical disc and this seems to confuse SMB. Not just for OPPO, but for other clients.
Anyone wanting to win this months Triwizard Cup: find a Windows utility that mounts an ISO file to a normal hard drive directory.

You might try (if you haven't already) mounting the ISO with whatever tool, and then creating a symbolic link folder inside your share to the mounted BDMV folder (using the mklink /D command).
post #128 of 16420
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

You might try (if you haven't already) mounting the ISO with whatever tool, and then creating a symbolic link folder inside your share to the mounted BDMV folder (using the mklink /D command).

I haven't tried this yet, but you can also use Windows to mount a drive to a folder. Open the Computer Management tool (Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management) and select Disk Management under Storage. Right-click on the virtual drive and select "Change Drive Letter and Paths...". Then click "Add..." and enter a path to an empty folder. Now the contents of the drive can also be accessed through that "folder."

I'll see if I can try this out tonight, but I have to set up sharing first.
post #129 of 16420
The ISO not working on Windows may be due to a lack of security settings. I just tried mounting an ISO with Virtual Clone Drive, and right clicking on a folder in the drive and choosing properties revealed no security tab. Whatever driver is implementing the folder interface doesn't seem to support security settings, which what may be conflicting. Ie, the SMB interface from the Oppo is getting 'list directory' permissions but not 'read/execute' permissions. This could be a bug in the way Oppo is connecting, or a limitation of SMB. Does anyone know if a standard linux installation (such as Ubuntu) can natively access the files shared in a mounted ISO on a Windows 7 machine?
post #130 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Welles1941 View Post

I haven't tried this yet, but you can also use Windows to mount a drive to a folder. Open the Computer Management tool (Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management) and select Disk Management under Storage. Right-click on the virtual drive and select "Change Drive Letter and Paths...". Then click "Add..." and enter a path to an empty folder. Now the contents of the drive can also be accessed through that "folder."
I'll see if I can try this out tonight, but I have to set up sharing first.

If that works, it should be the same as creating a Junction instead of a symlink (mklink /D /J). I'd try your method first, and then see if mklink /D /J works on the BDMV folder instead of the whole drive.
post #131 of 16420
Hmm. If I'm not mistaken, it looks like oppo changed the faceplate buttons for the controls, power, and eject button with more rounded ones than those featured in the product pictures on their website. The ones from x43x's photos show convex buttons; the oppo images' buttons appear concave. See below...
Personally, I like the concave buttons better! Anyone know why they changed their minds?
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Originally Posted by x43x View Post

Oppo10301.jpg
post #132 of 16420
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Rather than a power cycle of the OPPO, try changing it to Blu-ray Player Input and then back to your HDMI Input.
--Bob

Powered all up, switch to HDMI In, tuned from CBS to HBO and got warning. Hit input, changed to Blu-ray player and back, and it fixed the issue just as powering off did.

Another oddity. If Im on CBS and go to HBO, get warning. If I get on an HBO, use the fix, I can then tune to any other premium without error. As soon as I leave the premiums, to say go back to CBS, then back to HBO, get error again smile.gif

Good info. Please pass on these details to OPPO Tech Support. Obviously there's a handshake issue here that needs to be addressed. They'll be on top of it.
--Bob
post #133 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Good info. Please pass on these details to OPPO Tech Support. Obviously there's a handshake issue here that needs to be addressed. They'll be on top of it.
--Bob

Thanks, I have in a brief summary. I figure we will have some back and forth on it and I will further explain the testing.

Do they read this thread any?
post #134 of 16420
^ Don't assume they will. Email them anything you really want to be sure they know.
--Bob
post #135 of 16420
Already got a reply, as well as another person has reported the same issue. I sent them all my experimenting from this thread so far and they are look into why HDCP is being lost.

They asked me to try the same experiment with HDMI 2, so I will try that later (after the wife goes to bed LOL).

So nice to have a company that cares.
post #136 of 16420
^ This is precisely why they started with the limited distribution. HDMI is full or potholes like this. We just have to find them and fill them in.

I think the odds are excellent the root cause of the problem here is a mistake in the HDMI implementation in the DirecTV box. This is way more common than most people realize. Everybody making AVRs can tell stories of having to workaround bugs in Source devices.
--Bob
post #137 of 16420
Is there a mod tool available for the 103 that will allow region free playback on BRD and DVD?
post #138 of 16420
^ SD-DVD yes. The same "Super Disc" that works with the prior OPPO players.

For Blu-ray, a hardware mod is needed. The usual suspects will undoubtedly be selling these now that the players are out.
--Bob
post #139 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford View Post

Is there a mod tool available for the 103 that will allow region free playback on BRD and DVD?

There is a list in the FAQ: Region Free Modifications

The hardware mods are still in the future.

-Bill
post #140 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford View Post

Is there a mod tool available for the 103 that will allow region free playback on BRD and DVD?

The usual suspects will likely have them available soon. For example:
http://www.bluraychip.dk/category.php?id_category=5

EDIT: Bill beat me to it - clearly they're in the works
post #141 of 16420
I received the 103 a few days ago and have been playing around with it and am impressed so far; I was curious to try the 2d/3d conversion capability and did so with several blu rays (Blade Runner, 2001 Space Odyssey and the non-3d version of Avatar. Overall it did a decent job, although for Avatar its certainly not as good as the 3d version, as expected.
post #142 of 16420
Thanks for the replys on the region free mod.
post #143 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ This is precisely why they started with the limited distribution. HDMI is full or potholes like this. We just have to find them and fill them in.
I think the odds are excellent the root cause of the problem here is a mistake in the HDMI implementation in the DirecTV box. This is way more common than most people realize. Everybody making AVRs can tell stories of having to workaround bugs in Source devices.
--Bob

This is true of these new DVR's. It's not played well with my newer AVR, hopefully Oppo can figure out an easy fix to get past the DVR's issues.
post #144 of 16420
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I hooked up my 103 and get the ground loop hum. Put one of the 2 pin cheater plugs on it and fixed the hum. I did NOT have this with my 103. Anyone know why I have it now?

As Bob said find the source of this problem as it can be serious. Here is a link to the Hum thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/322698/hum-faq
This is from the first post of the Hum thread: “Cheater plugs” are OK for troubleshooting and testing, but should not be used for a long term solution.

You are the second person to report this problem.
post #145 of 16420
^ It is quite common for the addition of *ANY* 3-prong power plug device to reveal ground loops. The third prong is an external chassis ground -- a safety feature. Since ground loops present voltage potential on the chassis (derived from some other place in your system, or from power outlets, or from external interference sources) the third prong becomes the path back to ground allowing current to flow -- and thus the lurking ground loop is revealed.

Don't blame the 3-prong plug. It's just the messenger telling you there's SOMETHING ELSE wrong with your setup.
--Bob
post #146 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Speed: it's not working well enough for me either, although I may have other network performance issues.
Bill-

FWIW, I identified the culprit causing the stuttering in my network and now the Oppo is playing ISO images flawlessly from the NAS via SMB. I am one happy camper and not only impressed with the Oppo but also with my really inexpensive (<$200 MSRP, diskless) Synology DS212j NAS.

It turns out it the problem was a Netgear ProSafe GS108E managed gigabit switch in my media closet. In case anybody else has networking issues I changed the QoS settings from "802.1p" to "port based" and set the ports attached to the Oppo and the incoming feed to highest priority. I'm not a networking guru and I have no idea why DLNA worked perfectly and not SMB but it's all fixed now.

Did I mention that I am one happy camper and really impressed with the Oppo? wink.gif
post #147 of 16420
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Thanks, I have in a brief summary. I figure we will have some back and forth on it and I will further explain the testing.
Do they read this thread any?

I still think the problem is at least partially related to the additional DRM info that HBO and some other channels put in their signal. This may complicate the handshaking. The extra DRM was meant to prevent copying of
HBO and other channels' programs but who knows what it appears like to the Oppo.
post #148 of 16420
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

If that works, it should be the same as creating a Junction instead of a symlink (mklink /D /J). I'd try your method first, and then see if mklink /D /J works on the BDMV folder instead of the whole drive.

I tried both methods and both times the menu worked fine, but the movie failed to play. However, I also tested an image of a demo disc which worked perfectly, so maybe we're on the right track.
post #149 of 16420
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Hmmmm.....I think I'm gonna chalk this one up to my admittedly low-powered NAS.
I just tried BD folders via SMB/CIFS instead of MKV with the same poor result. Since the exact content works in a MKV container via DLNA I'm thinking my NAS is handling the streaming differently between DLNA and SMB/CIFS.
Out of curiosity what are you using for your SMB/CIFS server?

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

A Windows PC, sometimes my Dune player's HDD. (Dune acts as a NAS)

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Originally Posted by erecipient View Post

rdgrimes, I'm having a similar stuttering (read unwatchable) issue connecting from my 103 to an SMB share on a Windows 7 PC. The network is Gigabit, but the 103 is 100 Mb. Viewing the same share from a different Win 7 PC, I can play non-compressed MKVs and BD Folders with no stuttering. Also, if I connect the media drive directly to the 103, it plays the content very well. All connections are LAN/wired.
Any ideas why you have no issues using a Windows 7 PC for SMB and I do?
Thanks

Well, I think I solved my problem (after talking to Oppo support). Although I have a Gigabit network, everything in my media center runs through an auto-sensing Cisco SE2800 switch, which then connects to my Cisco EA4500 router upstairs. Nathan suggested bypassing the switch, which he thought may be running in "half-duplex" mode, cutting out my bandwidth.

I bypassed the switch and voila! Streaming full-quality MKV, BD Folders, and more :-) Now I have to deal with the switch issue, but I can stream via SMB from my PC. BTW: I didn't have issues with logging in...just provided a valid username/password.

Hope this helps anyone with a similar setup.
post #150 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Anyone wanting to win this months Triwizard Cup: find a Windows utility that mounts an ISO file to a normal hard drive directory.
We may be in business. I did a little digging around on Google and found just such a utility: Pismo File Mount Audit Package.

I installed the program on one of my Windows 7 x64 Ultimate PC's, copied a Blu-ray ISO file into a "Bluray" folder and then used Pismo to mount it using the following options:

Mount visibility: Entire system
Map Drive: None
Everyone access: Read
Formatter: auto
Force read-only mount, unchecked
Use verbose mount status dialog, unchecked
Open after mount, obviously doesn't matter

The Bluray folder it is in is shared just like all my other shares. When I setup the folder security with a mounted ISO, I did get a message indicating it couldn't set the security for the ISO folder and just hit OK.

I then navigated to the Bluray share on the Oppo and selected the ISO name (there's a folder that simply inherits the name of the ISO file) and the movie started right up as though I had put a Blu-ray disc into the drive on the player.

Now I have only played around with this VERY briefly and I don't know what the limits are in regards to how many ISO files can be mounted at once with Pismo, but it appears possible to put a bunch of ISO files into a folder, mount all of them, share the folder, and then have access to a whole bunch of Blu-ray movies in the same manner.

When will my Triwizard Cup arrive? biggrin.gif
Edited by gsr - 10/5/12 at 6:50am
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