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post #12061 of 16416
Inconceivable! You must have very good eyes because most people couldn't tell either upconversion from real native 2160p material.
post #12062 of 16416
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

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And as has been stated several times but must be stressed and repeated. you want to have any external HDMI input source device feeding the 103 set to put out "native" (i.e. 720p or 1080i, depending on the true source program resolution). You do not want the source device doing any of its own upconversion. If this can be accomplished automatically via setting (so that you're not ever involved at all) then this is the ideal arrangement.

Otherwise, if "native" is not a settings option then my strong recommendation is that you intervene manually whenever you change channels so that your "fixed output resolution of 720p or 1080i" will be set by you to match the source program on the channel you're now watching. I know, this is bothersome... but in the absence of "native" there's nothing else you can do except to manually accomplish the same result yourself.

Believe me... the visual results of eliminating any upconversion by the DVR and feeding true 720p/1080i source to the external HDMI inputs of the 103 (letting the 103 do all upconversion to 1080p for feeding your Sony TV) will absolutely justify any manual effort you need to insert, if "native" is not an option.

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So, if my dvr only offers SD, SD wide screen or HD 720 or 1080i what's the suggestion? Ask the provider if they have a unit that outputs in "native" format? will they undertand that? tia..
post #12063 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hydrotex View Post

So, if my dvr only offers SD, SD wide screen or HD 720 or 1080i what's the suggestion? Ask the provider if they have a unit that outputs in "native" format? will they undertand that? tia..
SD?? As in 4x3 480i??

720p and 1080i are 16x9 HD formats. Are you watching 4x3 480i SD channels on your HD-capable DVR/STB??

I don't follow what your setup is. Watching an HD channel (i.e. 720p or 1080i, both of which are 16x9) on an SD-only device (i.e. only capable of delivering 4x3 480i) will result in down-conversion to 480i resolution from the original 720p/1080i, and letterboxing (OAR, with black bars on top and bottom) or "center-cut" cropping from 16x9 (filling the entire 4x3 screen but losing the left and right "wings" from the original 16x9 source image content).

My comments are intended for a "standard" HDTV environment (not SD), involving delivery equipment and display device which supports 720p/1080i in 16x9 format... delivering content to the external HDMI input of the 103. In this situation, for best visual results out of the 103 as 1080p, 720p from the DVR should be delivered to the 103 as 720p, and 1080i from the DVR should be delivered to the 103 as 1080i: aka "native".
post #12064 of 16416
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

My own experience with a Panny 65VT50, there is absolutely NO QUESTION that letting the Oppo 103 do the upconvert of 720p/1080i to 1080p for delivery to the VT50 produces MUCH BETTER visual results than feeding 720p/1080i directly to the VT50 where upconversion would then take place.

And as has been stated several times but must be stressed and repeated. you want to have any external HDMI input source device feeding the 103 set to put out "native" (i.e. 720p or 1080i, depending on the true source program resolution). You do not want the source device doing any of its own upconversion. If this can be accomplished automatically via setting (so that you're not ever involved at all) then this is the ideal arrangement.

Otherwise, if "native" is not a settings option then my strong recommendation is that you intervene manually whenever you change channels so that your "fixed output resolution of 720p or 1080i" will be set by you to match the source program on the channel you're now watching. I know, this is bothersome... but in the absence of "native" there's nothing else you can do except to manually accomplish the same result yourself.

Believe me... the visual results of eliminating any upconversion by the DVR and feeding true 720p/1080i source to the external HDMI inputs of the 103 (letting the 103 do all upconversion to 1080p for feeding your Sony TV) will absolutely justify any manual effort you need to insert, if "native" is not an option.

As far as whether the Oppo's upconvert to 4K for deliver to your Sony is better than just delivering glorious Oppo-provided 1080p to the Sony and letting the Sony take it from there for best results, well I have no personal firsthand knowledge or experience. Others might be able to comment on what might produce the best looking results... or, you can just try it yourself and see what impresses you more.


OK, I've been following this thread and have been on the fence about running my comcast DVR through my Onkyo 929 (bypassed HDMI input) through my Darbee to my Samsung 8500, and running my 103 separately into my Onkyo out through the Darbee to my Samsung.

DSperber, you've said I'd likely get a better picture running my DVR through the 103 to the Onkyo, then through Darbee, then to the Samsung. But I guess I'd have to then have the 103 on to watch TV/DRV through the Onkyo, even if I left the Onkyo BluRay input on bypass (so I wouldn't need to power up the onkyo to watch TV).

More important, though, I think I'd have to always change the 103 input to HDMI instead of blu-ray disc to watch TV (using my harmony 900) - is that correct??

Thanks so much
Ian
post #12065 of 16416
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Originally Posted by iang153 View Post

OK, I've been following this thread and have been on the fence about running my comcast DVR through my Onkyo 929 (bypassed HDMI input) through my Darbee to my Samsung 8500, and running my 103 separately into my Onkyo out through the Darbee to my Samsung.

DSperber, you've said I'd likely get a better picture running my DVR through the 103 to the Onkyo, then through Darbee, then to the Samsung.
Well I'm not one to comment on the Darbee. I don't have one, and have never used one.

I was only commenting on the job the 103 does with improving cable-provided content and upconverting to 1080p for delivery (out HDMI-1, so it's getting QDEO etc.) to my 65VT50. And on this subject I can say without qualification that the results are superb.

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But I guess I'd have to then have the 103 on to watch TV/DRV through the Onkyo, even if I left the Onkyo BluRay input on bypass (so I wouldn't need to power up the onkyo to watch TV).
The 103 doesn't work unless it's powered on. So if you want to benefit from its video processing as applied to your cable source, then yes you obviously would have to power it on in order to watch HDTV through it.

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More important, though, I think I'd have to always change the 103 input to HDMI instead of blu-ray disc to watch TV (using my harmony 900) - is that correct??
Also correct. That's just the way the device works... always starting up with the BluRay player mode active by default at power-on.

So you always have to use the INPUT button repeatedly on the remote to either cycle from 1 (BluRay) to 2 or 3 for the external inputs, or you can now select the input discretely with INPUT + 2 etc., or you can arrow-down to navigate through the available sources after pushing the INPUT button. No way to avoid this I'm afraid even on the initial state after power-up, but you'd also need to select your input any time you changed from what you were previously using.
post #12066 of 16416
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Originally Posted by iang153 View Post

More important, though, I think I'd have to always change the 103 input to HDMI instead of blu-ray disc to watch TV (using my harmony 900) - is that correct??

Thanks so much
Ian[/quote
You should be able to set up Watch DVR and Watch Blu-Ray activities on your Harmony and have all the switching done as part of each activity. There is information in the FAQ (I think) about programming input selections on a Harmony. If I were to do that, I would probably have the Oppo set to on all the time. It shouldn't use much juice in standby mode.
post #12067 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hydrotex View Post

So, if my dvr only offers SD, SD wide screen or HD 720 or 1080i what's the suggestion? Ask the provider if they have a unit that outputs in "native" format? will they undertand that? tia..

Bingo! Ask them to swap you out with a new unit. There's a forum here where the different models are discussed, and another one for each major market area where you can probably find out which newer models are available in your area. But generally speaking, any of the newer, HD-capable DVRs should be able to do this.

Until then your choices are to either pick one output format (in which case you won't get the best results for the other style of channels, or switch manually as you go to each channel.

For SD channels that's easy. For HD channels you'll have to get a handle on which ones are broadcast in 720p and which in 1080i. As a Rule of Thumb, channels associated with FOX, ESPN, ABC, and Disney are 720p. Disney, for example, owns a lot of different channels that don't have Disney in the name. The broadcast content forum here can help with figuring out which are which.
--Bob
post #12068 of 16416
Thanks so much,

I only included the Darbee info to explain why I wanted only one source going to the TV (through the AVR to the Darbee to the TV).

Sounds like I need to bite the bullet and change the setup for the DVR to go through the 103 to see if I can tell the difference - the DVR menu has it set to 1080p/60 but I can change that to 'native' - sounds like if I make this change I should do that and let the 103 deal with the upscaling, etc.

Thanks again for your response - looking forward to playing with this...
post #12069 of 16416
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

So you always have to use the INPUT button repeatedly on the remote to either cycle from 1 (BluRay) to 2 or 3 for the external inputs, or you can now select the input discretely with INPUT + 2 etc., or you can arrow-down to navigate through the available sources after pushing the INPUT button. No way to avoid this I'm afraid even on the initial state after power-up, but you'd also need to select your input any time you changed from what you were previously using.

This is what I was getting at when I mentioned added system complexity.

By the way, Does the 103 do 1080p24 conversion (inverse telecine) when a film cadence is detected on its digital inputs? That would be another reason to use it.
post #12070 of 16416
^ It does not. It *DOES* offer DVD 24p Conversion (i.e., 1080p/24 output), but currently that is only available when playing SD-DVD shiny discs.
--Bob
post #12071 of 16416
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

It seems odd to say "use darblet on blu-ray" and "videophile" in the same statement. Sorry, that dog doesnt hunt.

 

 

Well respected videophile magazine reviewers would disagree with you, including many well respected video calibrators. Lumagen's new VPs also have it. That alone is quite an endorsement

 

The effect can be ridiculous if abused ofcourse. I use the HD 50% mode and the effect is superb. No artificial sharpening of any sort just more 3D like... tough to explain if you've never seen it work.

 

I found it interesting that the Qdeo chip was removed and instead an Altera FPGA (which houses the DarbeeVision algorithms) and a Silicon Image Processor are used in this player.


Edited by dmusoke - 10/3/13 at 12:50am
post #12072 of 16416
Hello .....i now it has been asked before....but two months have passed already...

Any updates on the mkv 24p playback support?

Will we see a firmware soon that corrects the problem?

The problem is very annoying....
post #12073 of 16416
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+ 1 . I'm afraid, 103D takes too much time for resolving 103 bug introduced in latest beta. Currently my Oppo 103 is only collecting dust, as 60Hz mode raises minimum black level on Panasonic GT50...
post #12074 of 16416
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Inconceivable! You must have very good eyes because most people couldn't tell either upconversion from real native 2160p material.

I'm not saying that 4K upconversion is better than 1080p native, but when you have the display scaling to 4K versus the player, the BDP-103 had an obvious advantage. There was a perceived sharpness and accuracy when outputing 4Kx2K then using 1080p and having the display do the scaling.
post #12075 of 16416
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by skopelos View Post

Hello .....i now it has been asked before....but two months have passed already...

Any updates on the mkv 24p playback support?

Will we see a firmware soon that corrects the problem?

The problem is very annoying....

Next firmware. As for when that is, no update.
post #12076 of 16416
In July according to this forum, said in August. In August than in September and the last is that in September told that in October. This is the late reply received from Oppo: "We do not have any estimated time for a release of a new firmware to fix your issues. The previous estimate was a premature guess, and we are not Able to Provide you with a more accurate answer as This issue is still being Investigated ".
post #12077 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Bingo! Ask them to swap you out with a new unit. There's a forum here where the different models are discussed, and another one for each major market area where you can probably find out which newer models are available in your area. But generally speaking, any of the newer, HD-capable DVRs should be able to do this.

I wish that were true, but that's not my experience. I'm currently on Comcast's X1 platform, which is their newest and greatest, heavily-hyped, top-of-the-line DVR. It does not offer a "native" output mode. It has an option that will allow you to output SD channels at one resolution and HD channels at another, but within the category of HD channels, it forces you to choose either 720p or 1080i. It cannot output 720p channels at 720p and 1080i channels at 1080i independently. It's one or the other, all-or-nothing.

In fact, no Comcast DVR I've ever used has offered a true "native" mode.

Manually switching back and forth at every channel change is a pain in the butt. Of the available options, outputting everything at 1080i is the lesser of two evils.
post #12078 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Bingo! Ask them to swap you out with a new unit. There's a forum here where the different models are discussed, and another one for each major market area where you can probably find out which newer models are available in your area. But generally speaking, any of the newer, HD-capable DVRs should be able to do this.

Until then your choices are to either pick one output format (in which case you won't get the best results for the other style of channels, or switch manually as you go to each channel.

For SD channels that's easy. For HD channels you'll have to get a handle on which ones are broadcast in 720p and which in 1080i. As a Rule of Thumb, channels associated with FOX, ESPN, ABC, and Disney are 720p. Disney, for example, owns a lot of different channels that don't have Disney in the name. The broadcast content forum here can help with figuring out which are which.
--Bob

Comcast's new X1 DVR (which is much more feature rich than any of their previous boxes) will not output native video. You have to choose 1080i or 720p in the set-up menu for everything. And because of a bug, 720p won't work for a lot of people. My previous Comcast box also did not have a native setting. Finding a Comcast customer service person who even understands what Native Video Output is will be a pretty big challenge based on my experiences. I have the X1 set to 1080i as suggested by the installer and do enjoy a slight uptick in video quality on most channels going through the OPPO, although my display was doing a pretty good job even before I rerouted.

I only mention all this as a Comcast customer because you really have to be careful what you wish for with them. Not all DVR boxes are created equal even though most of them cost the same.

Fox looks great routing the video through the OPPO this way and with these settings. The Disney Networks are more problematic, but there are all kinds of problems with ABC in my area that have nothing to do with my gear and everything to do with their servers so it's harder to judge them. ESPN thankfully looks no worse than before. I've learned to live with this because I can't go back to a box that only records two shows at a time and can only save around a fifth as much programming in memory.

I would like the thank Bob and hydrotex for this conversation. I've learned a lot following it. Hopefully my post adds a few nuances and doesn't just confuse things further.
post #12079 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

In fact, no Comcast DVR I've ever used has offered a true "native" mode.
Can you state the brand/model of your DVR? Do you know if you're in a Motorola infrastructure area or a Scientific Atlanta infrastructure area?

All Motorola infrastructure DVR's in the past six or so years (starting with Motorola DCH* and including current DCX*) have provided "native". This includes all OEM brands which were licensed out for manufacture but are really equivalent to Motorola, and also includes the "cousins" used by FIOS. Again, all to Motorola design, which included (a) "native" resolution option, and (b) working 1394 firewire port for digital offloading from DVR to DVHS VCR (as well as to PC, for copy-freely content).

In contrast, Scientific Atlanta infrastructure DVR's as well as recent OEM brands (e.g. Cisco 8742HDC and older) never have actually offered "native", because that's just the way the boxes deliver their output... native. Recent experimenting with a friend's 8742HDC here in TWC/LA proved (by pushing the INFO button on the HDTV to see what was being received) that the box simply delivered 720p for ABC/FOX channels and 1080i for all other channels. There was no setup option to do that (aka "native") but nevertheless that's what the box was doing. GREAT (in my mind). And SA boxes never included a working 1394 firewire port, although they did always include a working eSATA expansion port for external second hard drive.

NOTE: Canadian Motorola-based cable companies (like Shaw) had "opened" the eSATA ports on their Motorola hardware, and even sold "expansion drive kits". USA cable companies (at least Comcast, which is slowly rolling this out in selected areas around the country) have only recently activated the eSATA ports on the DCX* equipment.

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Manually switching back and forth at every channel change is a pain in the butt.
Exactly what I said. You're right. If "native" is not an option then manually changing when you go to/from ABC/FOX is definitely a nuisance... for the 5 seconds it takes to do while you then watch a program for the next hour or two.

But if visual picture quality on your HDTV is more important than the 5 seconds of manual effort, and you want the best possible picture quality out of the hardware you've spent lots of good money on and you're going to be watching a program or channel for the next some number of hours, I would submit that 5 seconds of nuisance manual effort is easily justified. Obviously "native" and hardware-delivered 720p/1080i is optimal, but if that's not an option the choice is now yours.

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Of the available options, outputting everything at 1080i is the lesser of two evils.
Not for me it's not.

For me, a dreadful (noticeably inferior) picture while watching a tennis match on ESPN (because it's 720p, interlaced/upconverted by your X1 DVR to 1080i, and then delivered to the Oppo as interlaced 1080i where it gets deinterlaced up to 1080p for delivery to your HDTV)... THAT would be the WORST of all possible evils.

I don't actually have a DVR, though I live in TWC/LA. I have a Ceton-based HTPC running under Windows Media Center, which uses an "extender" (in my case Linksys DMA2100, which also does NOT have "native" as a feature) to deliver HDTV around the house. Since I never watch anything "live", I simply pick my viewing of recordings such that I might watch nothing but 1080i programs for the next few hours or indefinitely, or I might catch up on all my 720p programs for the next few hours. That keeps my manual "settings change" on the DMA2100's output to an acceptable minimum, but at least I know I'm getting the ABSOLUTE BEST POSSIBLE PICTURE 1080p fed to my Panny 65VT50 as processed by my 103.

My own personal criteria is "best possible picture". Manually changing settings once or twice a day is not a problem for me to achieve that, since I too do not have the luxury of "automatic native" available.

Your decision, obviously.
post #12080 of 16416
So this is what I have been wondering every time someone mentions "native". Does it actually say native when you go to set output resolution on the cable box? My box has 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and auto select. Does this mean their is no native setting or is auto supposed to do that? Sorry if this a really simple question but I tried searching but couldn't find an answer anywhere. Thanks for clearing this up so I can go back to enjoying my 103 without agonizing if I'm set up correctly.
post #12081 of 16416

My box just has auto

 

I'm starting to get anxious

post #12082 of 16416
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

My box just has auto

I'm starting to get anxious
AUTO does not mean NATIVE, it will just upconvert to the highest resolution your TV support.
post #12083 of 16416
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Can you state the brand/model of your DVR? Do you know if you're in a Motorola infrastructure area or a Scientific Atlanta infrastructure area?

All Motorola infrastructure DVR's in the past six or so years (starting with Motorola DCH* and including current DCX*) have provided "native". This includes all OEM brands which were licensed out for manufacture but are really equivalent to Motorola, and also includes the "cousins" used by FIOS. Again, all to Motorola design, which included (a) "native" resolution option, and (b) working 1394 firewire port for digital offloading from DVR to DVHS VCR (as well as to PC, for copy-freely content).

In contrast, Scientific Atlanta infrastructure DVR's as well as recent OEM brands (e.g. Cisco 8742HDC and older) never have actually offered "native", because that's just the way the boxes deliver their output... native. Recent experimenting with a friend's 8742HDC here in TWC/LA proved (by pushing the INFO button on the HDTV to see what was being received) that the box simply delivered 720p for ABC/FOX channels and 1080i for all other channels. There was no setup option to do that (aka "native") but nevertheless that's what the box was doing. GREAT (in my mind). And SA boxes never included a working 1394 firewire port, although they did always include a working eSATA expansion port for external second hard drive.

NOTE: Canadian Motorola-based cable companies (like Shaw) had "opened" the eSATA ports on their Motorola hardware, and even sold "expansion drive kits". USA cable companies (at least Comcast, which is slowly rolling this out in selected areas around the country) have only recently activated the eSATA ports on the DCX* equipment.
Exactly what I said. You're right. If "native" is not an option then manually changing when you go to/from ABC/FOX is definitely a nuisance... for the 5 seconds it takes to do while you then watch a program for the next hour or two.

But if visual picture quality on your HDTV is more important than the 5 seconds of manual effort, and you want the best possible picture quality out of the hardware you've spent lots of good money on and you're going to be watching a program or channel for the next some number of hours, I would submit that 5 seconds of nuisance manual effort is easily justified. Obviously "native" and hardware-delivered 720p/1080i is optimal, but if that's not an option the choice is now yours.
Not for me it's not.

For me, a dreadful (noticeably inferior) picture while watching a tennis match on ESPN (because it's 720p, interlaced/upconverted by your X1 DVR to 1080i, and then delivered to the Oppo as interlaced 1080i where it gets deinterlaced up to 1080p for delivery to your HDTV)... THAT would be the WORST of all possible evils.

I don't actually have a DVR, though I live in TWC/LA. I have a Ceton-based HTPC running under Windows Media Center, which uses an "extender" (in my case Linksys DMA2100, which also does NOT have "native" as a feature) to deliver HDTV around the house. Since I never watch anything "live", I simply pick my viewing of recordings such that I might watch nothing but 1080i programs for the next few hours or indefinitely, or I might catch up on all my 720p programs for the next few hours. That keeps my manual "settings change" on the DMA2100's output to an acceptable minimum, but at least I know I'm getting the ABSOLUTE BEST POSSIBLE PICTURE 1080p fed to my Panny 65VT50 as processed by my 103.

My own personal criteria is "best possible picture". Manually changing settings once or twice a day is not a problem for me to achieve that, since I too do not have the luxury of "automatic native" available.

Your decision, obviously.


I have comcast (canceled my X1 install appt last week because of all the problems I read about) - my DVR box is a motorola RNG200n. If, when the box is off, you press the 'menu' button on the remote, you'll bring up the internal menu, in which you can set the resolution to 'native' (as well as 720, 1080p/60, etc.).

I had mine set on 1080p/60 to my Samsung 8500 - I haven't yet tried to set to native and run the signal through the 103 - that's my weekend task :-)
post #12084 of 16416
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

So this is what I have been wondering every time someone mentions "native". Does it actually say native when you go to set output resolution on the cable box? My box has 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and auto select. Does this mean their is no native setting or is auto supposed to do that? Sorry if this a really simple question but I tried searching but couldn't find an answer anywhere. Thanks for clearing this up so I can go back to enjoying my 103 without agonizing if I'm set up correctly.
Please provide the brand/model of your cable box.

You can quickly and easily determine for yourself what "auto select" means, and in fact what each of these alternative choices look like.

Just temporarily connect the HDMI cable out of your cable box directly to your HDTV. And push the "auto select" option in your cable box's setup.

Then tune to a 720p channel, like any of the ABC-family of networks or FOX-family of networks (broadcast or cable channels, doesn't matter) as they are all 720p. Now push the INFO or DISPLAY or OSD or whatever the right button is on your TV's remote, to display information onscreen about what resolution it's being fed.

If the TV says it's being fed 720p, GREAT! Look at the picture for a while and see the type of job your TV itself does handling 720p input and doing whatever processing it does to display it at what's probably (or perhaps) its 1080p native resolution.

Now tune to a 1080i channel, which is essentially everything else aside from FOX/ABC channels. And again, push INFO on the TV to see what it's being fed. If it's getting 1080i, GREAT! Again, observe the "image quality" on your TV feeding 1080i to the TV and letting it process that for display at 1080p.

On the other hand, if the INFO button on the TV shows that it is being fed 1080p (rather than source 720p or 1080i) then that would suggest "auto select" is asking the TV via HDMI handshake what it can accept, and then the box is obviously upconverting all source (720p or 1080i) to 1080p. This is again something you're trying to avoid, as you presumably want to use the Oppo to do that upconvert to 1080p, not the cable box.


Now, if you want to continue with the experiment, go back an manually choose first "720p", experiment, and then later set "1080i" in your cable box settings and experiment. Assuming that means "force a fixed 1080i output resolution for everything" now go to a 720p FOX/ABC channel again, and then go to a 1080i channel again, etc., and see what it looks like on your TV.

Now restore the HDMI cable from the cable box to go into the HDMI input of the 103, and repeat the above experiment. You will be able to see what the results of having the 103 are, along with the results of forced upconvert to 1080i by the cable box vs. "native 720p/1080i" (whether automatic or manual). Your criteria should be "picture quality", and what looks best for 720p source channels and 1080i source channels.

NOTE: you can also determine what the cable box is putting out even if the HDMI cable is running through the Oppo's external HDMI input. The INFO button on the Oppo's remote will present an onscreen "ribbon" display at the top of the screen to show you what the INPUT to the 103 is, with a second onscreen "ribbon" display at the bottom of the screen to show you what the OUTPUT from the 103 is. Obviously once you insert the Oppo in the chain the INFO button on the HDTV will always show that it is getting 1080p, since that is what your Oppo is putting out (presumably).
post #12085 of 16416
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Originally Posted by iang153 View Post

I have comcast (canceled my X1 install appt last week because of all the problems I read about) - my DVR box is a motorola RNG200n. If, when the box is off, you press the 'menu' button on the remote, you'll bring up the internal menu, in which you can set the resolution to 'native' (as well as 720, 1080p/60, etc.).

I had mine set on 1080p/60 to my Samsung 8500 - I haven't yet tried to set to native and run the signal through the 103 - that's my weekend task :-)

Exactly. Almost all the Motorola made cable boxes work this way, although the oldest of them still won't offer "native".

Using the remote for the cable box, turn the box OFF. While it is still "Off"", press the Menu button. This should bring up the special menu screen on your TV where you can, among other things, set "native" output.

After making the change press Menu again to dismiss that screen -- the box will once again appear to be "Off". Turn On the box and "native" mode should now be in effect.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/3/13 at 9:24am
post #12086 of 16416
Bottom line: there's no question that the "best" results are achieved when:

(a) the Oppo is used to do process/upconvert of cable-provided 720p/1080i HDTV content via its external HDMI inputs, delivering 1080p output to the HDTV

(b) 720p source programs are delivered from cable box to Oppo as 720p, and 1080i source programs are delivered from cable box to Oppo as 1080i.

If (b) can be achieved through a "native" setting on the cable box, or its explicit or implicit equivalent, so that no human intervention is required to guarantee 720p and 1080i are simply passed untouched from cable box to the Oppo, then THAT is what will produce best visual HDTV results onscreen while at the same time obviously being the most human-friendly and convenient way to run things.

If (b) cannot be achieved automatically via a setting on the cable box because the equipment provided by your cable company just doesn't support that feature, it is nevertheless still true that this would have produced the best picture on your HDTV screen. In this case "manual intervention" by you is the only other alternative assuming you still want best possible picture, changing the setup of the cable box to output-720p or output-1080i whenever you want to watch a program in that resolution.

I realize it's a pain to do anything manually, but if there is no automatic option there's nothing else that can be done except to do it manually... assuming you want best possible picture.
post #12087 of 16416

Do you guys have the Oppo on a battery back up? Or on a surge protector only?

 

We have frequent power outages in Florida, I hope this does not disrupt the Oppo software?

post #12088 of 16416

I just checked

My comcast box is the new CISCO

 

I can't choose 720 etc...also I can't choose sound stereo, 5.1, 7.1 etc

 

Can't find native 

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I just checked
My comcast box is the new CISCO

I can't choose 720 etc...also I can't choose sound stereo, 5.1, 7.1 etc

Can't find native 
what model Cisco please?
post #12090 of 16416
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Do you guys have the Oppo on a battery back up? Or on a surge protector only?

We have frequent power outages in Florida, I hope this does not disrupt the Oppo software?

Settings changes are saved during the normal power-down. So you might need to redo your latest settings change if the wall power goes away.

In addition, anything with a motor in it (the optical drive in this case) will not be happy if the power keeps glitching. The power supply built into the player will carry you through instantaneous glitches, however, and anything longer will cause the player to turn off completely so it's not as if the motor keeps trying to wake back up the instant the power comes back.

After loss of wall power, the next power up will be a full reboot, as if Energy Efficient was set. The full reboot insures that the software is fully re-initialized -- so no problems there. Subsequent power cycles will work in accordance with your choice of Energy Efficient or Quick Start. In addition, after a loss of wall power, ANY of the 3 remote control command sets will be recognized for power ON. As soon as the player boots up, it will go back to responding to only your specified choice of remote control command set. So if you have more than one OPPO in your rack -- each set to use different remote control command sets -- they will all power On in response to any of the remotes after a wall power failure, then they'll each go back to only responding to the matching remote.

Generally speaking, if you have lots of power failures, then a battery backup is a good idea for all your electronics -- with at least enough duration that you can react to the power failure and shut things down normally. I don't use anything fancy for this -- just one of the APC brand backup batteries sold for use with computers.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/3/13 at 10:43am
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