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post #12091 of 16376
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Not via HDMI-1 they don't. There's a little matter of NR on the 103 that's not imposed on the 103D. Via HDMI-2 they look the same.

Id like to revisit this statement. I recently sent an email questioning the 103D, and here was the reply which is interesting to me:
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The two main hardware changes are that the BDP-103D will have the Darbee processor, and it will also use a Silicon Image chip in place of the Marvell Qdeo chip.

I am not aware of any undefeatable noise reduction present on the BDP-103D, and I don't believe it's an issue with the BDP-103 any longer, either.
post #12092 of 16376
There are different levels of quality when it comes to surge protectors. Many think that the $15.00 protector they buy at the local big box store will do the job. Figure it this way, if you have a bushel of money invested in hi end audio gear or computers than it is best, imo, to protect that gear with a very good protector/line conditioner. These can be expensive and any where from $200-400.00 but I think they are worth every penny. I am in the San Diego area and we don't have the number of storms or brownouts that you might but whenever one has occurred the unit has performed as it was intended. Both the APC conditioner/protectors that I use for my editing bay/computer system and the one for my home theater(where I have two separate conditioner/protectors) are my safety net. And they are cheaper than health insurance.
post #12093 of 16376
I have an APC H15 and an APC G5. I like em.
post #12094 of 16376
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Please provide the brand/model of your cable box.

You can quickly and easily determine for yourself what "auto select" means, and in fact what each of these alternative choices look like.

Just temporarily connect the HDMI cable out of your cable box directly to your HDTV. And push the "auto select" option in your cable box's setup.

Then tune to a 720p channel, like any of the ABC-family of networks or FOX-family of networks (broadcast or cable channels, doesn't matter) as they are all 720p. Now push the INFO or DISPLAY or OSD or whatever the right button is on your TV's remote, to display information onscreen about what resolution it's being fed.

If the TV says it's being fed 720p, GREAT! Look at the picture for a while and see the type of job your TV itself does handling 720p input and doing whatever processing it does to display it at what's probably (or perhaps) its 1080p native resolution.

Now tune to a 1080i channel, which is essentially everything else aside from FOX/ABC channels. And again, push INFO on the TV to see what it's being fed. If it's getting 1080i, GREAT! Again, observe the "image quality" on your TV feeding 1080i to the TV and letting it process that for display at 1080p.

On the other hand, if the INFO button on the TV shows that it is being fed 1080p (rather than source 720p or 1080i) then that would suggest "auto select" is asking the TV via HDMI handshake what it can accept, and then the box is obviously upconverting all source (720p or 1080i) to 1080p. This is again something you're trying to avoid, as you presumably want to use the Oppo to do that upconvert to 1080p, not the cable box.


Now, if you want to continue with the experiment, go back an manually choose first "720p", experiment, and then later set "1080i" in your cable box settings and experiment. Assuming that means "force a fixed 1080i output resolution for everything" now go to a 720p FOX/ABC channel again, and then go to a 1080i channel again, etc., and see what it looks like on your TV.

Now restore the HDMI cable from the cable box to go into the HDMI input of the 103, and repeat the above experiment. You will be able to see what the results of having the



103 are, along with the results of forced upconvert to 1080i by the cable box vs. "native 720p/1080i" (whether automatic or manual). Your criteria should be "picture quality", and what looks best for 720p source channels and 1080i source channels.

NOTE: you can also determine what the cable box is putting out even if the HDMI cable is running through the Oppo's external HDMI input. The INFO button on the Oppo's remote will present an onscreen "ribbon" display at the top of the screen to show you what the INPUT to the 103 is, with a second onscreen "ribbon" display at the bottom of the screen to show you what the OUTPUT from the 103 is. Obviously once you insert the Oppo in the chain the INFO button on the HDTV will always show that it is getting
1080p, since that is what your Oppo is putting out (presumably).
Sorry for the over site, it's a Cisco explorer 4640HDC. Thanks for the info and will follow the instructions and check. Right now I have only 480p, 720p and 1080i checked on the box.
post #12095 of 16376
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Can you state the brand/model of your DVR? Do you know if you're in a Motorola infrastructure area or a Scientific Atlanta infrastructure area?

All Motorola infrastructure DVR's in the past six or so years (starting with Motorola DCH* and including current DCX*) have provided "native". This includes all OEM brands which were licensed out for manufacture but are really equivalent to Motorola, and also includes the "cousins" used by FIOS. Again, all to Motorola design, which included (a) "native" resolution option, and (b) working 1394 firewire port for digital offloading from DVR to DVHS VCR (as well as to PC, for copy-freely content).

The X1 DVR is only branded with Comcast's own name. If that's OEMed from someone else, I don't know who that is.

My previous DVR was a Motorola DCT-3412. It did not offer a native output mode, and manually changing output resolutions was far more than a 5-second process. Closer to 3 minutes, as I turned off the box, hit the MENU button, waited for HDMI handshaking to sort itself out and resync the picture, changed output resolution, waited for HDMI handshaking to sort itself out and resync the picture, exited menu, turned box back on, waited for HDMI handshaking to sort itself out and resync the picture...

It's a little faster on the X1, but you try explaining to my wife why I need to fiddle with the output settings every time I change the channel, to get a practically unnoticeable difference in picture quality. I can assure you, she'll have none of that. smile.gif

Also, if you change the output settings too much on the X1, it has an annoying habit of changing them back on its own, or defaulting to the wrong thing the next time you want to watch TV. It works best if you set things once and leave it alone.
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Originally Posted by iang153 View Post

I have comcast (canceled my X1 install appt last week because of all the problems I read about)

While the X1 can be a glitchy box, sometimes infuriatingly so, when it does work right (which is most of the time), it's sooooooooo much nicer than any other DVR I've ever seen.The interface is incredibly intuitive and smartly designed, like someone sat down and made a detailed list of everything that anyone ever disliked in other DVRs and set about systematically rethinking how those features should work.

It's pretty terrific... when it works right. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work right.
Edited by Josh Z - 10/3/13 at 11:25am
post #12096 of 16376
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Do you guys have the Oppo on a battery back up? Or on a surge protector only?

We have frequent power outages in Florida, I hope this does not disrupt the Oppo software?

Like Bob I use a basic computer UPS for the TV and player because (a) I don't like the movie interrupted for brownouts and lightning strikes, and (b) valuable equipment deserves conditioned power. My computers have all lasted much longer since I started using battery UPS to eliminate surges.

-Bill
post #12097 of 16376
I use a UPS on DVR's, anything with a hard drive. Ultimately a battery backup is not needed for a player, but Id recommend a power conditioner at least. Thats what I like about the H15, it trims and boosts voltage as well.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The X1 DVR is only branded with Comcast's own name. If that's OEMed from someone else, I don't know who that is.

Pace is the current manufacturer of the X1 DVR
post #12099 of 16376
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
 

Do you guys have the Oppo on a battery back up? Or on a surge protector only?

 

We have frequent power outages in Florida, I hope this does not disrupt the Oppo software?

 

 

I visited Florida(Vero Beach actually) on job for a month and was shocked at the sudden-out-of nowhere lightening storms you guys had which often zapped our computer systems. You definately need a  UPS for this job. No choice about it. We used UPSes from APC.

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post
 

 

 

I visited Florida(Vero Beach actually) on job for a month and was shocked at the sudden-out-of nowhere lightening storms you guys had which often zapped our computer systems. You definately need a  UPS for this job. No choice about it. We used UPSes from APC.

 

Do you happen to know how many watts are needed for the Oppo? My Sony 4k tv is 338 watts.

 

I'm trying to determine if a 1000 watt battery back up is sufficient for everything.

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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Do you happen to know how many watts are needed for the Oppo? My Sony 4k tv is 338 watts.

I'm trying to determine if a 1000 watt battery back up is sufficient for everything.

The specs say 35W.

-Bill
post #12102 of 16376
DON'T GET A SONY BLU-RAY player Period! Trust me it was hard because I also have an XBR46HX959 TV.

I had the flagship Sony bdp-s790... ITS a POS. If you want to get some Sony Blu Ray Player, you gotta go their elite players, else its junk.

Broke after 1.5 years. Started intermittent problems after 9 months. I watch my blu-ray maybe 1 or 2 times a month and that thing is dead now.

That POS doesn't load the movie and doesn't even want to eject the movie until I pull the plug, I have factory resetted EVERYTHING after a firmware update.

It sits there and blinks at you. It is an expensive paper weird right now.

Oppo 103 is soooo nice with better audio and picture quality. Build quality is so amazing as well.

Hope that helps and please let me know if you have any questions about the Sony. O BTW the Sony doesn't play most XVID or MP4 formats.

-Ken

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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Guys
as much as I want to pull the trigger on an Oppo 103 ...I WILL NOT.

I DO NOT FEEL SAFE...I NEED TO FEEL SAFE.

There are too many negative reviews on Amazon 2 AND 3 STAR  that scare the crapolus out of me.
After all the sony XBR 900 upscales everything, and it's 2d to 3d conversion is amazing. I do not need Oppo to do that.?

The sony has all the apps the Oppo does.

The only reason i would buy the Oppo is for blu ray visioning, and i'm sure there are other BR players that are just as good (Sony Pioneer). true? false?

There are people who have bought this oppo who are having night terrors, because of losing sound, firmware updates screwing everything up etc...

I'm too scared to get one. I really want to though.

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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Don't get it if viewing bluray only.
post #12103 of 16376
I hate to break it to you, but the 790 is their "elite" player. Secondly, the 790 and new 5100 are pretty much the best non Oppo blu-ray players out there for 2013.
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Totally agree with you... That is why I said don't buy it. Their 790 is terrible. Their 5100 I don't care because I can't trust the quality of Sony on this stuff.

Elite is more the ES line not their anything non-ES

Hence like I said I bought the Oppo 103.
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Not to get off topic, and I understand you had a bad experience, however the 790 and 5100 are accurate blu-ray players and do quite well streaming and with DVD. Not sure what else you expect.
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I can't recommend enough the new Tivo Roamio DVRs for people that are still sticking with their cable provider dvrs. I know it's a hefty intial invistment at first ($600- $800 with lifetime service) but they do pay themselves off a after a short period of time. I personally think this is the same as the majority of people out there that subsidize their smartphones thinking it's cheaper by putting 0 down and going with monthly payments when we all know that after 2 years they don't realize that they been absolutely fleeced. Do yourselves a favor and wean yourselves off of them (cable co supplied dvrs biggrin.gif).

I have a question about material that's recorded and stored on a dvr. If you're using the 103 for scaling, de-interlacing and video processing and that material gets passed to the dvr- does this new PQ transfer to the dvr or does the processing happen after the fact once you start viewing the recorded material?
post #12107 of 16376
You run the HDMI cable from your STB into the Oppo, then out of the Oppo into an AVR or display. The Oppo accepts the 480i/720p/1080i 60hz signal and then outputs it accurately at 1080p/60, or whatever the native rez of you display is.

It was tested in one review and handles all those resolutions accurately, so at the least it won't do any worse assuming your display can do all of that right (not likely).
post #12108 of 16376
Oppo is now sending out emails to those who expressed an interest that they are now accepting pre-orders for the BDP-103D. Shipments are expected to start in the week of October 7-11.
Edited by mhobart - 10/3/13 at 6:37pm
post #12109 of 16376
I have a new AT&T U-Verse Motorola wired receiver. The choice is either 720p or 1080i for everything. Whenever the box updates itself, it resets to 720p! There is no "native" option. When the box is "off," the TV displays "Press OK to watch TV." Pressing MENU on the remote does nothing at that point.
post #12110 of 16376
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Id like to revisit this statement. I recently sent an email questioning the 103D, and here was the reply which is interesting to me:

They never announced that NR was defeated. But after using the latest official firmware I love the PQ coming from my Fios through the Oppo. I was thinking that Fios had somehow decreased the amount of compression they use but I don't know how they would have done that as it always has been fiber straight to my house. All I know is that I can barely find any fault to most of my HD channels and believe me I always try to.
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Never mind TV what about Blu-ray?!
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post


While the X1 can be a glitchy box, sometimes infuriatingly so, when it does work right (which is most of the time), it's sooooooooo much nicer than any other DVR I've ever seen.The interface is incredibly intuitive and smartly designed, like someone sat down and made a detailed list of everything that anyone ever disliked in other DVRs and set about systematically rethinking how those features should work.

It's pretty terrific... when it works right. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work right.

Wish I had enough faith in the X1 to be as reliable as our motorola rng200n DVR - I know I can only record 2 shows at once, but it records everything I schedule every time - only new episodes, etc. - and I've just read too much about problems with the X1 to justify changing/upgrading basically only to be able to record 4-5 shows at once. And now I have an advantage of setting output to 'native' and sending the signal to my Oppo :-)
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I have my 103 connected to my pre pro via coax ( no hdmi ). Since my pre pro does not decode blue rays with dts hd master audio, what audio is being output when playing these?
post #12114 of 16376
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

My previous DVR was a Motorola DCT-3412. It did not offer a native output mode, and manually changing output resolutions was far more than a 5-second process. Closer to 3 minutes, as I turned off the box, hit the MENU button, waited for HDMI handshaking to sort itself out and resync the picture, changed output resolution, waited for HDMI handshaking to sort itself out and resync the picture, exited menu, turned box back on, waited for HDMI handshaking to sort itself out and resync the picture...

It's a little faster on the X1, but you try explaining to my wife why I need to fiddle with the output settings every time I change the channel, to get a practically unnoticeable difference in picture quality. I can assure you, she'll have none of that. smile.gif
In passing, I mention that the DCT-3412 is a VERY old unit. In fact, its predecessor the original DCT-6400 only had DVI output (along with component video YPbPr). At least the DCT-34* models now had HDMI output to replace the DVI output.

Starting with the DCH* hardware and now also with the latest DCX* hardware, the Motorola-style DVR's have a FORMAT button on the front panel of the box. You no longer have to go through the old setup procedure you describe (beginning with powering the unit off) to change the output resolution immediately, although that still is the only way to permanently set "native" if you want. To simplify things further, if you had a programmable remote (e.g. the Atlas 5-device remote that TWC/LA used to give out) the FORMAT function could be assigned to an unused button on the remote, so you didn't even have to walk over to the unit to push the FORMAT button on the front panel to change output resolutions.

Instead, pressing the FORMAT button repeatedly (either on the front panel of the box or with a programmed button on the remote) simply manually and instantly cycles through each of the possible "fixed" output resolutions (1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i) depending on what you've previously indicated in the power-off menu setup the TV can accept. So literally, it's a one-button push WHILE THE UNIT IS CURRENTLY POWERED ON to go from 1080i to 720p. Going from that 720p back to 1080i does require three button pushes to cycle back to 1080i, but obviously this is still infinitely easier and more convenient (and is done WHILE THE UNIT IS CURRENTLY POWERED ON AND TUNED TO A CHANNEL) than the old power-off procedure on the original DCT boxes which no question is time-consuming as you describe.

So with these newer Motorola-style boxes, you either set "native" for automatic best behavior, or you manually use the FORMAT button with the unit currently powered on to dynamically change output resolutions without needing to go through the power-off process.
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Wist101,
Traditional DTS up to 5.1 channels. Every Blu-ray comes with compatibility audio for just such a purpose. For a DTS-HD MA track the compatibility track (DTS) is actually embedded inside the lossless Bitstream.

For a Dolby TrueHD track you get traditional Dolby Digital up to 5.1 channels.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by wlst101 View Post

I have my 103 connected to my pre pro via coax ( no hdmi ). Since my pre pro does not decode blue rays with dts hd master audio, what audio is being output when playing these?
Conventional lossy Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 is what the Oppo is sending out via coax (via bitstream).

I seem to find conflicting info on 7.1 carried by optical (and coax?), but for sure coax is carrying lossy 5.1.

Digital coax and digital optical do not support lossless audio.
Edited by DSperber - 10/3/13 at 8:45pm
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^ They are also limited to 5.1.
--Bob
post #12118 of 16376
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Wist101,
Traditional DTS up to 5.1 channels. Every Blu-ray comes with compatibility audio for just such a purpose. For a DTS-HD MA track the compatibility track (DTS) is actually embedded inside the lossless Bitstream.

For a Dolby TrueHD track you get traditional Dolby Digital up to 5.1 channels.
--Bob

Got it, thanks
post #12119 of 16376
^ One other thing. To get this you need to set the Optical/Coax Output to BITSTREAM. If you set it to LPCM you will get a stereo down-mix. There is a separate setting in the 103 specifically for the Optical/Coax Output.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ One other thing. To get this you need to set the Optical/Coax Output to BITSTREAM. If you set it to LPCM you will get a stereo down-mix. There is a separate setting in the 103 specifically for the Optical/Coax Output.
--Bob

Yes I have it set to bitstream, thanks. Another question... just curious if I connect the 103 from the 5.1 anologe outputs to my pre pro's anologe inputs (Lex MC-12 ) how would that work...wouldnt there be a whole lot of coverting up & down?
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