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post #12481 of 16434
The easiest way I've found to make the Universal Screen Saver to go away is to simply hit the Enter or Select button right in the middle of the arrow buttons, right in the middle of the remote. This exits the Screen saver and allows me to resume play.

My process in detail is:

Hit any button to exit the OPPO screen saver (if necessary)
Hit the ENTER button to exit the Universal screen saver
Hit either PLAY or PAUSE to resume play

Works every time.
post #12482 of 16434
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The unfortunate truth is that Netflix does not supply the same connection to all devices. Different devices get routed to different servers and pathways. Thus any comparisons of multiple devices in your home will be skewed based on network conditions at Netflix. Devices with the biggest customer base appear to get preference.

This of course sheds completely new light on this matter. Previous advice on this thread to check one´s WiFi connection or to use a fixed rather than wireless connection etc. now seems largely irrelevant. And wouldn´t this type of discrimination of smaller licensees - if unilaterally imposed - qualify as abuse of dominant position under relevant competition legislation?
post #12483 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

What I found with those Comcast/Motorola boxes was you'd be in good shape if you just left them ON all the time. Of course if you have a DVR, that's normal (so it can record programs when you are not there). But you can do it safely with the non-DVR units as well.

If left ON, I found it only forget the "native" setting if there was a power failure.
--Bob
Nice advice
post #12484 of 16434
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

This of course sheds completely new light on this matter. Previous advice on this thread to check one´s WiFi connection or to use a fixed rather than wireless connection etc. now seems largely irrelevant. And wouldn´t this type of discrimination of smaller licensees - if unilaterally imposed - qualify as abuse of dominant position under relevant competition legislation?

Well, not exactly. The Netflix server configuration and performance based on the client at the destination is an important part, but if your local network settings are not configured well so as to allow the best throughput, then the Netflix server performance would be irrelevant.

A connection is only as good as the weakest point of the chain that supports it. Obviously, if the Oppo gets consistently bad service from Netflix, the point is moot, but based on other's reactions, it is not consistent. If preferential treatment is given the bigger licensees, maybe that means reasonable performance at most times for Oppo.

As to abuse of legal standing, I would imagine that could be true, but would need to be challenged and Oppo would face many pitfalls along the way, including a massive outlay of legal funds that would be counterproductive to its success. Unfortunate part of dealing with megaliths.
post #12485 of 16434
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

This of course sheds completely new light on this matter. Previous advice on this thread to check one´s WiFi connection or to use a fixed rather than wireless connection etc. now seems largely irrelevant. And wouldn´t this type of discrimination of smaller licensees - if unilaterally imposed - qualify as abuse of dominant position under relevant competition legislation?

Any network is an end-to-end technology. Meaning that Netflix's routing and server preferences for specific devices is only one piece of the puzzle. And, when congestion on the Netflix end causes slowdowns, the bandwidth *may* be allocated differently based on the device at your end. At other times it won't matter at all.

Your ISP may be similarly allocating bandwidth based on who you are connecting to. Bottom line is that they are all conspiring against you and any one of them might have a bigger impact at a given time. There may be 3-4 traffic cops between you the the source, if not more.
post #12486 of 16434
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Originally Posted by a33montoya View Post

I just recently bought this player and noticed the following issue. I was watching Ratatouille and noticed banding in certain scenes after several trial and errors color space switching, Deep color on or off and finally switched from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 I got it to play without banding on certain scenes. It appears that no matter what I do the HDMI 1 output would not remove the banding only by switching to HDMI 2. Below is a list of my equipment this may have been covered previously but I couldn't find it if it has come up before the thread has gotten to big for me to read through the entire thing. Currently I have the Oppo set to Auto Color Space and 30bit Deep Color the TV is set to 96hz 24p Direct HDMI color space set to Auto.

TV Panasonic 60VT60
Receiver Denon 4520
Player Oppo 103

You should also take into account, how is your VT60 set. Under advanced picture settings you may have "1080p pure direct" - or so called. It enables YCbCr4:4:4 processing. Now, note how Oppo is processing on HDMI1/2
-HDMI 1 - Takes 4:2:2 out of the decoder. From here it goes into the Qdeo chip. If the player is set to output YCbCr 4:4:4 or RGB, bilinear is used to convert to 4:4:4.
-HDMI 2 - Takes 4:4:4 out of decoder. If you then output 4:2:2 from the player, it is then converted back to 4:2:2. This path does not use the Qdeo chip. The decoder uses nearest neighbor to convert what is on the disc to 4:4:4, which results in YC delay and stair stepped chroma."

Bilinear is better than nearest neighbor.

So (I can confirm it on my 103 + gt50) I have color space YCbCr4:4:4 on HDMI1 and YCbCr4:2:2 on HDMI2, when HDMI1 is connected (default) I have 1080p Pure direct enabled (QDEO does better job than GT50), when HDMI2 is connected (only for testing) I have disabled 1080p Pure direct on GT50. It is better to set explicit values for color space in OPPO settings (HDMI handshake). Also, after very detailed and precise testing with Spears And Munsill HD benchmark v.2 I have switched off Deep Color space.
post #12487 of 16434
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Any network is an end-to-end technology. Meaning that Netflix's routing and server preferences for specific devices is only one piece of the puzzle. And, when congestion on the Netflix end causes slowdowns, the bandwidth *may* be allocated differently based on the device at your end. At other times it won't matter at all.

Your ISP may be similarly allocating bandwidth based on who you are connecting to. Bottom line is that they are all conspiring against you and any one of them might have a bigger impact at a given time. There may be 3-4 traffic cops between you the the source, if not more.

Please refer to my post 12471. Did the same test this evening with exactly the same result. Any differentiation at the ISP side seems unlikely.
post #12488 of 16434
This is the response i received from Oppo when i emailed them about poor Netflix streaming,

"Unfortunately at this time there are no recommendations that we can make to resolve your issues. We have confirmed similar issues in house, but we have also seen other devices produce the same issues on the same connection. We have opened a ticket with Netflix and we are waiting for their reply."
post #12489 of 16434
I plan to buy the BDP-103 and an Optoma 3D projector in the near future. I have a bunch of older 3D DLP-Link glasses that sync to 120hz but not to the 144hz that the Optoma projector uses to display Blu-ray 3D. (The projector displays 24hz input at 144hz and 60hz input at 120hz.) I don't want to have to junk all of these glasses.

I just found out that the BDP-103 has a "resolution" button on the remote that will cycle through supported output resolutions, and I also noted that one of the supported resolutions is 1080p@60hz.

Does anybody know if the 1080p@60hz setting works on Blu-ray 3D movies displayed on DLP projectors such as the Optomas that display 24hz input at 144hz? If that setting doesn't work, does the 720p@60hz setting work? I have heard that these resolutions work on 2D but not 3D Blu-rays with other players.

The 144hz display frequency is becoming more popular on 3D projectors since it avoids 2:3 pulldown and motion judder, so I'm hoping that the Oppo and the Optoma will make a great team. (After all, both products begin with the letters O and P, so that's a good sign...)

PS -- I'm actually going to switch to144hz RF glasses since the word is that the 3D is better than DLP-Link, but I still want my older glasses to work when a lot of people come over demanding their 3D fix.
post #12490 of 16434
I hope the netflix issue gets worked out. The remote has such a large and pretty netflix button on it. Oppo must really think they are great to put that on there.
post #12491 of 16434
Thread Starter 
Netflix actually requires it by licensing. If OPPO had their way Netflix would not be on the remote control itself.
post #12492 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

I hope the netflix issue gets worked out. The remote has such a large and pretty netflix button on it. Oppo must really think they are great to put that on there.

From what i hear, Netflix requires the button. And generally Netflix gets the credit for Netflix issues, too.

Beaten to it by the master smile.gif
post #12493 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Netflix actually requires it by licensing. If OPPO had their way Netflix would not be on the remote control itself.

They require the most obvious button on the whole remote? It's sad and very telling on how willing Oppo management is willing to be pushed around. I do not have an Oppo because of Netflix actually they are a troubled company lately I think. I do not own an Oppo becaue of Netlfix it is a negative actually. If I wanted netflix I would access it in a different or more subtle way. Very sad situation.
post #12494 of 16434
Thread Starter 
It isn't the biggest button on the remote control since it is offset by the VUDU button. But yes, Netflix requires a very prominent button on the remote control of the devices which support their streaming service. Don't want to give them the button, then they remove your application for licensing. Don't have Netflix? Might as well pack up the bags because no one will take your product seriously within the standard consumer electronics world.
post #12495 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

They require the most obvious button on the whole remote? It's sad and very telling on how willing Oppo management is willing to be pushed around. I do not have an Oppo because of Netflix actually they are a troubled company lately I think. I do not own an Oppo becaue of Netlfix it is a negative actually. If I wanted netflix I would access it in a different or more subtle way. Very sad situation.
I struggle to see how having Netflix in the device, which takes up all of 2cm^2 on a rather large remote and one slot of a dozen on the main menu, would be a negative.
Yeah, ok, you don't have a Netflix account and don't want one. We get that. So what? You don't have to actually press the button.rolleyes.gif
It is a bit like passing on a very reliable, high performance car because you don't smoke and the car has a cigarette lighter in it.
post #12496 of 16434
I have the Netflix button on my remote and being in Australia I don’t get Netflix - so what!

I bought the Oppo 83, 93 and the 103 because they are the best bluray players available, and that’s what they are about - not Netflix . . .
post #12497 of 16434
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

I struggle to see how having Netflix in the device, which takes up all of 2cm^2 on a rather large remote and one slot of a dozen on the main menu, would be a negative.
Yeah, ok, you don't have a Netflix account and don't want one. We get that. So what? You don't have to actually press the button.rolleyes.gif
It is a bit like passing on a very reliable, high performance car because you don't smoke and the car has a cigarette lighter in it.

Netflix cheapens the product....it's emberassing.
post #12498 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Netflix cheapens the product....it's emberassing.

Only for you, apparently. Good thing nobody forces you to buy the Oppo, and one wonders why you linger in this thread.
post #12499 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Netflix cheapens the product....it's emberassing.
Um, yeah. As others have stated, this is an owner's thread. Non-owner's aren't banned from being here, but one has to wonder why you bother if Netflix is a dealbreaker for you - it's not like it's a feature that's likely to go away. Though I am a Netflix DVD/Bluray member, I don't have a Netflix streaming account. So I simply don't bother pressing the Netflix button (in fact, I don't even use the Oppo remote) or selecting the Netflix app from the Home screen.
post #12500 of 16434
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Netflix cheapens the product....it's emberassing.

 

Heh, heh.

 

Burned.

post #12501 of 16434
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Originally Posted by a33montoya View Post

I just recently bought this player and noticed the following issue. I was watching Ratatouille and noticed banding in certain scenes after several trial and errors color space switching, Deep color on or off and finally switched from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 I got it to play without banding on certain scenes. It appears that no matter what I do the HDMI 1 output would not remove the banding only by switching to HDMI 2. Below is a list of my equipment this may have been covered previously but I couldn't find it if it has come up before the thread has gotten to big for me to read through the entire thing. Currently I have the Oppo set to Auto Color Space and 30bit Deep Color the TV is set to 96hz 24p Direct HDMI color space set to Auto.

TV Panasonic 60VT60
Receiver Denon 4520
Player Oppo 103

The way "Ratatouille", Blu-ray was computer generated makes it a very sensitive test for your video choices.

In fact I've recommended using a test scene in Chapter 10 as a way to decide which combo of Color Space and Deep Color choices works best through your specific AVR and Display.

The REAL difference between such choices should be hard to see, but due to quirks (read bugs) in the way video is handled in AVRs and TVs it is often the case that more significant differences can be seen.

To start with you need to make sure your basic calibration levels are correct -- things like Brightness and Contrast in the Display's settings. (Leave all the Picture Adjustment controls in the OPPO at their Factory Default (0) values.)

Proper choices for Picture Mode, Color Temperature, and Gamma Correction in your Display also get made at this point.

Use a calibration disc to do this such as Spears & Munsil.

Now, it should be the case that one set of such settings in your TV works REGARDLESS of which Color Space and Deep Color choices you make in the OPPO, but you can't KNOW that until you check.

So reconfirm the basic level settings are correct for the three Color Space choices (you do NOT want to use RGB PC Level, so forget about that one) times all the Deep Color choices. If you find any combo requires a change in basic levels, note that change and be sure to use it.

Then go back to "Ratatouille", Blu-ray, and try your problem scene(s). Try the different combos of Color Space and Deep Color to see which works best. A Dithered choice may be your best choice, so try those too.
--Bob
post #12502 of 16434
The reason why I have two Oppo’s is not because of a Netflix presence. I have had a couple Netflix accounts and never liked the service. Every time I searched for a title it was only available for mail order. The whole streaming service is basically a shill to get you to sign up for the mail order.. at least the last time I checked in about 18 months ago. That was right around the time the CEO was sending around apology letters because so many people cancelled their accounts. I do like VUDU though which is a pay for title service and have never had a problem with their streaming service. I was one of the first customers Netflix ever had when I was living in Los Gatos and it was an exciting time as some will remember. Anyway if that ridiculous large button is going to be there it better work!
post #12503 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

The reason why I have two Oppo’s is not because of a Netflix presence. I have had a couple Netflix accounts and never liked the service. Every time I searched for a title it was only available for mail order. The whole streaming service is basically a shill to get you to sign up for the mail order.. at least the last time I checked in about 18 months ago. That was right around the time the CEO was sending around apology letters because so many people cancelled their accounts. I do like VUDU though which is a pay for title service and have never had a problem with their streaming service. I was one of the first customers Netflix ever had when I was living in Los Gatos and it was an exciting time as some will remember. Anyway if that ridiculous large button is going to be there it better work!
Yes we get it that you don't care for Netlix. But the company is doing real well in spite of your delusion that they are a troubled company. Their influx of recent TV seasons and produced shows have raised their value quite a bit. Yes used to have a lot of junk, but now they seem to be acquiring some decent content from Disney, WB, CBS, and others. I only use their streaming, not interested in mail order.
post #12504 of 16434
^^^ Not to mention but the bump up to SuperHD for streaming , it looks fantastic wink.gif and is ready for Prime time use cool.gif
post #12505 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The way "Ratatouille", Blu-ray was computer generated makes it a very sensitive test for your video choices.

In fact I've recommended using a test scene in Chapter 10 as a way to decide which combo of Color Space and Deep Color choices works best through your specific AVR and Display.

The REAL difference between such choices should be hard to see, but due to quirks (read bugs) in the way video is handled in AVRs and TVs it is often the case that more significant differences can be seen.

To start with you need to make sure your basic calibration levels are correct -- things like Brightness and Contrast in the Display's settings. (Leave all the Picture Adjustment controls in the OPPO at their Factory Default (0) values.)

Proper choices for Picture Mode, Color Temperature, and Gamma Correction in your Display also get made at this point.

Use a calibration disc to do this such as Spears & Munsil.

Now, it should be the case that one set of such settings in your TV works REGARDLESS of which Color Space and Deep Color choices you make in the OPPO, but you can't KNOW that until you check.

So reconfirm the basic level settings are correct for the three Color Space choices (you do NOT want to use RGB PC Level, so forget about that one) times all the Deep Color choices. If you find any combo requires a change in basic levels, note that change and be sure to use it.

Then go back to "Ratatouille", Blu-ray, and try your problem scene(s). Try the different combos of Color Space and Deep Color to see which works best. A Dithered choice may be your best choice, so try those too.
--Bob

I ended up using HDMI 2 4:4:4 this removed the banding on the movie scenes 100% When using HDMI 1 it showed banding that was very noticeable and I could not find a mix that eliminated it. If I switched to 4:2:2 on HDMI 2 the banding is eliminated 90% of the time deep color on or off seemed to have no effect with either choice. I even went as far as checking each HDMI on back of my TV this however had no effect what so ever.
post #12506 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

I do not own an Oppo becaue of Netlfix it is a negative actually.

You are free to switch to a Blu-ray player from Panasonic or Sony or Samsung or LG or.... Oh, wait, they all have Netflix too. rolleyes.gif
post #12507 of 16434
I don't know of a current player that doesn't have NF and other streaming services.

Lotus,

While non owner's aren't banned from posting, asking questions, etc., you are asked that you contribute to the thread.

S~
post #12508 of 16434
We are all aware of the excellence of Oppo´s customer service. However, I believe it could be even better if Oppo were to include on its website a list of errors and other anomalies reported or otherwise identified which they are in the process of resolving together with an estimated timeframe ("next firmware version" or whatever may be relevant). Not only would this be of great assistance to customers (existing and prospective) but also substantially reduce the service engineers' workload by minimizing the number of e-mails on those topics to be answered and thereby freeing resources for more productive work.
post #12509 of 16434
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

We are all aware of the excellence of Oppo´s customer service. However, I believe it could be even better if Oppo were to include on its website a list of errors and other anomalies reported or otherwise identified which they are in the process of resolving together with an estimated timeframe ("next firmware version" or whatever may be relevant). Not only would this be of great assistance to customers (existing and prospective) but also substantially reduce the service engineers' workload by minimizing the number of e-mails on those topics to be answered and thereby freeing resources for more productive work.
Never happen, no CE vendor, has a public site where you look up errors or other issues that are being looked at or ongoing. Oppo does extensively detail what changes are present in each FW update, and as you know some CE vendors don't even do that. smile.gif
post #12510 of 16434
And what would we do all day if Oppo took over fielding all of the people who just discovered shiny disks aren't region free? (Or your favorite FAQ [Frequently Articulated Quandary])
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