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post #12661 of 16416
Hi Guys,

Just bought a Marantz SR-7008 but I'm having problems connecting my Oppo BDP-103 with it.
It seems they're having HDMI handshake problem.

After turning on my Oppo, which is connected to HDMI 3 Input of the Marantz, my screen always gets blank after the Oppo Logo during start up.
I tried connecting it to the other HDMI Inputs of the Marantz but the same thing happens.
Also replaced my HDMI cable and still same results. Also tried turning on and off both the Oppo and Marantz but to no avail...

Anyone experienced this problem?
What other options should I try?

My Dune media player doesn't have this problem...
I can't use my Oppo right which is quite disappointing because this was not happening when I was still using my Pioneer AVR.

Thanks in Advance smile.gif
post #12662 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Louie_18 View Post

Hi Guys,

Just bought a Marantz SR-7008 but I'm having problems connecting my Oppo BDP-103 with it.
It seems they're having HDMI handshake problem.

After turning on my Oppo, which is connected to HDMI 3 Input of the Marantz, my screen always gets blank after the Oppo Logo during start up.
I tried connecting it to the other HDMI Inputs of the Marantz but the same thing happens.
Also replaced my HDMI cable and still same results. Also tried turning on and off both the Oppo and Marantz but to no avail...

Anyone experienced this problem?
What other options should I try?

My Dune media player doesn't have this problem...
I can't use my Oppo right which is quite disappointing because this was not happening when I was still using my Pioneer AVR.

Thanks in Advance smile.gif

So you get no image at all after the logo? Have you tried connecting to the same HDMI input that the Dune is using?

What happens if you cycle through the output resolutions using the RESOLUTION button on the remote? The front panel on the player should show you the current selection. Give each a few seconds to see if the receiver syncs up. Do any of the resolutions give an image?

-Bill
post #12663 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

So you get no image at all after the logo? Have you tried connecting to the same HDMI input that the Dune is using?

What happens if you cycle through the output resolutions using the RESOLUTION button on the remote? The front panel on the player should show you the current selection. Give each a few seconds to see if the receiver syncs up. Do any of the resolutions give an image?

-Bill

Thanks for the quick response sir Bill.
Yes no image after the Oppo Start Up Logo... I've also tried using the Dune as input to the HDMI 3 Input of the Marantz and its ok.

Will try your suggestion about changing the Resolution.
Thanks again smile.gif

Edit:
Just tried changing the Resolution and it work but only with 1080i and below...
I'm getting blank screen with AUTO, 1080p and Source Direct

Edited by Louie_18 - 10/28/13 at 5:22am
post #12664 of 16416
Try turning OFF 24p.
post #12665 of 16416
For those with the103 series coming from a guy with the 93. My only 2 gripes I have with the Oppo is that it does not have a digital display for the volume when I am just listening to music through it, no video source turned on. Does the newer model do this? My second one which I mentioned to Oppo a year or 2 ago is that it would be nice if it had an app to control it as well. Thanks.
post #12666 of 16416
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Originally Posted by shivaji View Post

For those with the103 series coming from a guy with the 93. My only 2 gripes I have with the Oppo is that it does not have a digital display for the volume when I am just listening to music through it, no video source turned on. Does the newer model do this? My second one which I mentioned to Oppo a year or 2 ago is that it would be nice if it had an app to control it as well. Thanks.

My 105 shows the volume setting on its OSD. I'm sure the 103 is the same way.
post #12667 of 16416
Just to clarify, OSD refers to on screen display, which is is shown on a video source, is that what you mean. I am talking about the volume shown on the unit itself in its digital window.
post #12668 of 16416
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Originally Posted by shivaji View Post

For those with the103 series coming from a guy with the 93. My only 2 gripes I have with the Oppo is that it does not have a digital display for the volume when I am just listening to music through it, no video source turned on. Does the newer model do this? My second one which I mentioned to Oppo a year or 2 ago is that it would be nice if it had an app to control it as well. Thanks.

I have the Android app.
post #12669 of 16416
Ipad app works well too.
post #12670 of 16416
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Originally Posted by shivaji View Post

Just to clarify, OSD refers to on screen display, which is is shown on a video source, is that what you mean. I am talking about the volume shown on the unit itself in its digital window.

I'm sorry. The OPPO's digital display shows the volume level.
post #12671 of 16416
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Originally Posted by BearUK View Post

Oppo said...

The static pop can be a discharge from the analog outputs as they are muting and unmuting. Depending on their receiving equipment, this can result in a pop due to the change in the voltage of the player's analog outputs when they go from some voltage to no voltage (mute); no voltage to some voltage (normal audio). This is often the case with amplifiers which are not DC offset.

No other equipment I own exhibts this problem but Oppo, as far as I can tell from the wording of their email, are saying this is normal for their player. I find it strange that it happens with EVERY amplifier I have. Looks like its going on ebay tomorrow, and I'll look for a player that works (in my opinion) 'properly'.

And if anyone can advise on how to tell which amplifier have DC offset, or not...
Sorry to jump in at the end, not sure if i am repeating anything, but i had this issue and it has gone away turning off hdmi audio did it for me.
post #12672 of 16416
thanks for the reply in regards to the volume display. That was what I was after.
post #12673 of 16416

oppo 103

I 'm looking to possibly buy the oppo 103 or 103d, I'm wondering if its overkill for me to buy one.  What I'm most interested is to use it for the upconversion of the att uverse box.  I have a smaller tv, 37", that we mostly use and an older 55" microdisplay.  We'll probably get a 65" 4k when the prices come down in the next couple of years.  I have a PS3 that does a pretty good job with Blu-ray but it has the problem of the fan turning on really loud when showing dvds so I had to turn the upconversion off to get it to stop so it doesn't upconvert now.  I've read plenty about the oppo and think I'll probably get one but was wondering if anyone had been  in the same situation I'm in and if the machine was a good deal for them.  I know it's great for projection but was wondering if its good for smaller tvs also.  It isn't feasible to put an upconverting avr with the smaller tv, limited space.

 

Thanks

post #12674 of 16416
^^Better check your AT&T box. Mine gives only choices of everything at 480p, 720p, or 1080i. So it's already converting many stations, no matter which setting you choose.
post #12675 of 16416

i'm just wondering if going through the oppo will improve the picture.  I see where most people put the directv, apple tv, roku through and have improved picture, just wondering if it would be worthwhile with my setup.

post #12676 of 16416
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Originally Posted by dancindani View Post

i'm just wondering if going through the oppo will improve the picture.  I see where most people put the directv, apple tv, roku through and have improved picture, just wondering if it would be worthwhile with my setup.

The increase in PQ is undeniable -- whether it is worth it will only be answered when you see it on your screen.
I would say give it a shot, and if you don't like it, send it back. I'm running a 130" front projector. Before using the Oppo for video processing I had essentially stopped watching Dish on the big screen. Now the PQ is nearly as good as good Bluray disc, not up with the very best, but much much better. I enjoy watching it now.

Please post your results. Oppos are amazing machines.
post #12677 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Friendly Fire View Post

The increase in PQ is undeniable -- whether it is worth it will only be answered when you see it on your screen.
I would say give it a shot, and if you don't like it, send it back. I'm running a 130" front projector. Before using the Oppo for video processing I had essentially stopped watching Dish on the big screen. Now the PQ is nearly as good as good Bluray disc, not up with the very best, but much much better. I enjoy watching it now.

Please post your results. Oppos are amazing machines.

I'm looking forward to getting my Oppo in the near future...Just don't know if I should go with the 103 or the 103D....

Carmine.
post #12678 of 16416
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

^^Better check your AT&T box. Mine gives only choices of everything at 480p, 720p, or 1080i. So it's already converting many stations, no matter which setting you choose.

I thought the same with my Verizon FiOS set top box. The "regular" menu only allowed me to select one of those choices (for the capacity of your TV display) and the set top box would have its output at that level (only up to 1080i). Some knowledgeable members here told me about the "hidden menu" that could be accessed on the FiOS set top box to have it output at "native" resolution. I've done that and have that native output run through the 103 which does a high quality conversion to 1080P that is sent to my Plasma display. Up until I did that the best I was getting from FiOS was 1080i. So there may be a way to do the same on the AT&T box. The visual improvement is VERY noticeable.
post #12679 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

First time Oppo owner. 'Just recently bought the 103D for OTA video processing and am having a heck of a time dealing with lag when I'm scrolling channels up and down using my Tivo remote. Is this something 103 owners are also seeing? I can always bring up the tivo guide and go from there but I don't think this is something I have to compromise for.

Oppo 103D-> Tivo OTA Roamio-> Panasonic 65ST50


Anyone?
post #12680 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Anyone?
Try the 103D thread.

S~
post #12681 of 16416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Anyone?

Oppo 103D-> Tivo OTA Roamio-> Panasonic 65ST50

You might want to take a look at the connection diagram you have provided. I don't think the TiVo has any inputs that the OPPO Could be connected to.

Also how are the devices connected? HDMI? You don't tell us.
post #12682 of 16416
I use high speed HDMI cables all around. I have the front HDMI Input of the 103D connected to the HDMI input of the Tivo. HDMI output of the 103D is in turn connected to my 65ST50 to complete my setup. I have no AVR or surround sound at this time.

The main reason I purchased the Oppo 103D is for its video processing capabilities as my set has poor scaling and de-interlacing capabilities when it comes to 1080i and 720p tv content. The Oppo has done wonders for me in this regard except for this one issue. I see a perceptible lag when I flip channels up and down using my Tivo's remote to the extent that it takes a couple of seconds for it to catch up to show me what channel i'm on before i can keep going. This never happened before i had the Oppo in the mix so I'm trying to figure out if this handshake delay is unavoidable or if it is something I can improve or eliminate completely. I have tried a number of different high speed HDMI cables so I know the problem doesn't stem from there.

I know there are a lot of owners here that use their 103 for the same reasons. I know one owner who replied in the 103D thread said he doesn't have this issue on his cable provided box so I wonder if this is just a tivo thing.

I can always try to curb my habit of channel surfing constantly if it comes down to it but I hope I don't have to smile.gif
post #12683 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I use high speed HDMI cables all around. I have the front HDMI Input of the 103D connected to the HDMI input of the Tivo. HDMI output of the 103D is in turn connected to my 65ST50 to complete my setup. I have no AVR or surround sound at this time.

The main reason I purchased the Oppo 103D is for its video processing capabilities as my set has poor scaling and de-interlacing capabilities when it comes to 1080i and 720p tv content. The Oppo has done wonders for me in this regard except for this one issue. I see a perceptible lag when I flip channels up and down using my Tivo's remote to the extent that it takes a couple of seconds for it to catch up to show me what channel i'm on before i can keep going. This never happened before i had the Oppo in the mix so I'm trying to figure out if this handshake delay is unavoidable or if it is something I can improve or eliminate completely. I have tried a number of different high speed HDMI cables so I know the problem doesn't stem from there.

I know there are a lot of owners here that use their 103 for the same reasons. I know one owner who replied in the 103D thread said he doesn't have this issue on his cable provided box so I wonder if this is just a tivo thing.

I can always try to curb my habit of channel surfing constantly if it comes down to it but I hope I don't have to smile.gif
Since you have a 103D, it's best to discuss this in the 103D thread (which you posted the same question in) as the video processing is a bit different in the 103 and 103D (the whole point of the 103D's existence). But your best bet is to contact Oppo and work with them on this.
post #12684 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I use high speed HDMI cables all around. I have the front HDMI Input of the 103D connected to the HDMI input of the Tivo. HDMI output of the 103D is in turn connected to my 65ST50 to complete my setup. I have no AVR or surround sound at this time.
I think your diagram and wording are confusing things.

You have the HDMI OUTPUT (not its INPUT) of the Tivo connected TO the front HDMI input of the 103D. You obviously are not connecting "input" to "input". The source device (Tivo) is the OUTPUT device, sending content INTO the 103D for video processing and up-convert to 1080p.

And then it is the OUTPUT from the 103D which feeds the INPUT of your 65ST50.
Edited by DSperber - 10/29/13 at 1:58pm
post #12685 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

The main reason I purchased the Oppo 103D is for its video processing capabilities as my set has poor scaling and de-interlacing capabilities when it comes to 1080i and 720p tv content. The Oppo has done wonders for me in this regard except for this one issue. I see a perceptible lag when I flip channels up and down using my Tivo's remote to the extent that it takes a couple of seconds for it to catch up to show me what channel i'm on before i can keep going. This never happened before i had the Oppo in the mix so I'm trying to figure out if this handshake delay is unavoidable or if it is something I can improve or eliminate completely. I have tried a number of different high speed HDMI cables so I know the problem doesn't stem from there.
This is due to the source (Tivo) resolution change when you go from a 720p channel to a 1080i channel, which if the Tivo is setup to deliver "native" resolution means it is in turn delivering 720p source to the 103D when you tune to a 720p program, and delivering 1080i source to the 103D when you tune to a 1080i program.

The 103D is in turn processing either of these 720p or 1080i input resolutions into 1080p for ouptut to go to your HDTV. But each of the "resolution changes" (if you do go from a 720p channel to a 1080i channel or vice versa) seen by the 103D from whatever its prior state was mandates a new HDMI handshake between the Tivo and the 103D. There's no way to prevent this, as the resolution is changing and the two boxes need to do an HDMI negotiation.

It is this HDMI handshake which is responsible for what you perceive as an "onscreen delay" (perhaps a black screen at the same time) of 1-2 seconds, before once again seeing the new channel (upconverted to 1080p) on the HDTV screen.

No way to avoid this. You might browse channels by using the Guide if this "small delay" is annoying, so that you actually pick the channel you want to watch that way rather than sequentially browsing through channels by watching each one. It is the browsing through consecutive channels which might trigger a source program resolution change (from 720p to 1080i or vice versa) which slows things down. If you instead just look at the Guide to pick your next channel, thus only seeing a possible resolution change once... or maybe not at all, if you're lucky... you'll only be annoyed once when changing channels, rather than possibly multiple times if you have to pass through multiple channels and resolution changes when going from Channel A to Channel B on the Tivo's tuner.

But the problem is not with the 103D. It is with the HDMI handshakes between 103D and Tivo resulting from output resolution changes (on the Tivo, because of its "native" setup) from 720p to 1080i or vice versa.
post #12686 of 16416
Is there some way to speed up the file indexing the 103 does when connected to a DLNA server? I have something over 20,000 tracks on my server and it's taking over 10 minutes to do the indexing. I've noticed that my Yamaha and Onkyo AVRs don't have this long indexing happening. I'm not sure if they simply don't do it, if they save it from one time to the next, or they are blindingly fast at it. Actually, this wouldn't really be a problem to me if I could change the mode to shuffle during the indexing process as that's what I'm waiting for (does pressing the blue button during this time work now? Last time I tried it it took me back a level).

Note that I'm running the current Beta firmware on my 103 in case that matters.
post #12687 of 16416
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post

Is there some way to speed up the file indexing the 103 does when connected to a DLNA server? I have something over 20,000 tracks on my server and it's taking over 10 minutes to do the indexing. I've noticed that my Yamaha and Onkyo AVRs don't have this long indexing happening. I'm not sure if they simply don't do it, if they save it from one time to the next, or they are blindingly fast at it. Actually, this wouldn't really be a problem to me if I could change the mode to shuffle during the indexing process as that's what I'm waiting for (does pressing the blue button during this time work now? Last time I tried it it took me back a level).

Note that I'm running the current Beta firmware on my 103 in case that matters.

Have tried using SMB instead of DNLA?
post #12688 of 16416
I use JR River with JR remote on my ipad to push music to the Oppo 103. This works and is very fast for searching .
post #12689 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Anyone?

Is your Tivo set to output all channels at their original resolution without upconverting anything? I don't have a Tivo, but my TV takes a while to adjust to a change in resolution from one channel to another, and I wonder if something like that is happening here.
post #12690 of 16416
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Have tried using SMB instead of DNLA?

I have used the SMB access, but not in this situation. I want to be able to have the 103 shuffle between all of the tracks on the server (all 20,000+ of them) w/o any intervention from me. Does the SMB access support doing that?
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