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post #12931 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

I have the Oppo BDP-103 and I think it has compatibility issues with the Roku 3. When I connect my Roku 3 to the Oppo's back HDMI input, the Oppo causes the Roku 3 to freeze and and it has audio dropouts. This does not happen when I connect my Roku 3 to my receiver.

Give OPPO a call and they can help you sort this out. The ROKU 3 should have no problem with the 103's HDMI Input. Be sure to tell OPPO what firmware you have on your 103:

Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information > Main firmware version number.

The HDMI cables you are using should be "high speed" cables. I.e., sold as "For 1080p", or "High Speed", or "Category 2", all of which mean the same thing. This includes both the cable coming from the ROKU and all the rest of the HDMI cables in your system (HDMI is an "end to end" protocol). HDMI plugs are only friction fit, and it just takes a small shift of plug in socket to screw things up. So check that both ends of every HDMI cable are fully inserted STRAIGHT into the socket, with nothing (e.g., cable weight) tugging on them.

While waiting to reach OPPO, also try the HDMI FRONT Input on the OPPO. If the ROKU works OK with that but still not with the HDMI BACK Input then your 103 may need service.
--Bob
post #12932 of 16369
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Originally Posted by miike8888 View Post

if i understand this right the Qdeo only adds noise to the output even if 8 out of 10 people can't see it?

Incorrect.
--Bob
post #12933 of 16369
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

That's exactly what I used to test DTS-HD 6.1, as a comparison to DTS-ES Discreet. The 103 does output the 6th channel on both surround back 7.1 LPCM channels with the DTS-HD 6.1, but fails to do so with the DTS-ES Discreet.
Hmmm....

I've just tried playing the 6.1Ch DTS-HD MA 'Star Wars' sample via HDMI to my Onkyo amplifier and can report the following: -

When I set the Oppo to 'Bitstream', my Onkyo amplifier correctly detected the channels on its front display and audio could be heard from all 7.1 speakers.
When I set the Oppo to 'LPCM', my Onkyo amplifier correctly detected the channels on its front display and audio could be heard from all 7.1 speakers.

I also extracted the 6.1Ch DTS-ES core from the 'Star Wars' sample. And can report the following: -

When I set the Oppo to 'Bitstream', my Onkyo amplifier correctly detected the channels on its front display (including the 'ES' icon) and audio could be heard from all 7.1 speakers.
When I set the Oppo to 'LPCM', my Onkyo amplifier correctly detected the channels on its front display and audio could be heard from all 7.1 speakers.

So for me, everything appears to be working correctly. Is there anything else you would like me to try?
Edited by SeeMoreDigital - 11/5/13 at 1:23pm
post #12934 of 16369
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post


I personally don't like long posts and they bore me right off so that I skip to the next post.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

. . . .

(For folks who get bored easily, this is the point to skip to the next post.)

. . . .

No need to thank me. It's all part of the service! biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #12935 of 16369
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Originally Posted by pqwk50 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

You may see it in upscaled SD-DVD output. Upscaled SD-DVD output is, of course, processed by its very nature. The question then is do you like the end result of the processing better as passed through the QDEO or not?


--Bob
I'm confused about the difference in HDMI ports on the 103. HDMI2 can be set to output 480p when playing back an SD-DVD, right? HDMI1 can also be used to output 480p for SD-DVD, right? In both of these cases, there is no upscaling and minimal processing (480i to 480p). So is there going to be a difference between the two ports (HDMI1 is using Qdeo to do the 480p conversion but HDMI2 is also doing a conversion just not with Qdeo, right)?

All the HDMI1 vs HDMI2 talk is limited to the context of whether user has set these ports to upscale SD-DVD playback?

No, the de-interlacing of the 480i SD-DVD content to 480p in your example is being done by the MediaTek for BOTH the HDMI 1 and the HDMI 2 outputs.

Of course your Display will then have to do the upscaling of that 480p input to its native resolution to fill the screen. The odds are excellent that what you see from either HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 in such case will be dominated by the characteristics of the upscaling being done by your Display.
--Bob
post #12936 of 16369
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I know there's material out there. I just meant specifically among my own collection I haven't found anything to test it with.

Was just trying to point out a popular disc (Exorcist) that you may already have in your collection without realizing that it has an ES Matrix flag. The packaging for that one isn't exactly clear about the specs.
post #12937 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No. I don't know what you are imagining is going on here, but really. No.
--Bob
I'm talking about where someone was told if their eyes don't see a difference in various things, then the differences don't matter. I simply stated, that one';s own eyes is not all which will see the tv. smile.gif
post #12938 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I respectfully disagree with you. I appreciate the time and effort Bill takes in responding to questions especially to tech novices like me.

I was speaking in general terms. Most long posts have very little value. I like the answers to be short and sweet because most of us don't have the time to spend reading long posts. When I post a question or an answer, it is usually short because I know most people's attention spans (mine included) are short. smile.gif
post #12939 of 16369
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

I'm talking about where someone was told if their eyes don't see a difference in various things, then the differences don't matter. I simply stated, that one';s own eyes is not all which will see the tv. smile.gif

Ommmmmm.....
post #12940 of 16369
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

Whether or not you can see the difference yourself is not necessarily all that matters, as maybe people visiting would be able to see the difference but the owner of the player not.
Speculation, for most people, only adds to their confusion.
post #12941 of 16369
I'm having issues playing Dream Theater DVD-Audio. BDP-103 is distorting sound for each track after few seconds of play back.
Here is the link of the DVD-Audio
http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B00DJ80VLS/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1383691001&sr=1-1&keywords=dream+theater

Does anybody know when is Oppo coming with a beta firmware update for 24hz fix for mkv file? I've contacted them many times and they said its coming out soon. The last beta firmware was on Aug 12th and It has been about 3 months without any update. Its very frustrating that they broke something working and the fix is not provided.mad.gif
post #12942 of 16369
I just got Elvis #1 Hits on DVD AUDIO and it starts to play and then gets garbled then stops also no menu access.
post #12943 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Give OPPO a call and they can help you sort this out. The ROKU 3 should have no problem with the 103's HDMI Input. Be sure to tell OPPO what firmware you have on your 103:

Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information > Main firmware version number.

The HDMI cables you are using should be "high speed" cables. I.e., sold as "For 1080p", or "High Speed", or "Category 2", all of which mean the same thing. This includes both the cable coming from the ROKU and all the rest of the HDMI cables in your system (HDMI is an "end to end" protocol). HDMI plugs are only friction fit, and it just takes a small shift of plug in socket to screw things up. So check that both ends of every HDMI cable are fully inserted STRAIGHT into the socket, with nothing (e.g., cable weight) tugging on them.

While waiting to reach OPPO, also try the HDMI FRONT Input on the OPPO. If the ROKU works OK with that but still not with the HDMI BACK Input then your 103 may need service.
--Bob
I using a high speed HDMI cable that came with the Oppo and the same thing happens to the front HDMI input. I'm using the beta firmware. I'm not having the same issue when I connect my Roku 3 into my receiver. I emailed Oppo about it and the tech replied back that he has no issue with the Roku 3 and Oppo. I think that my BDP-103 had defective HDMI inputs. Good thing I'm still in the return/exchange time frame, so I'm going to do an exchange.
Edited by Kage - 11/5/13 at 6:27pm
post #12944 of 16369
Connecting multiple USB thumb-drives...

Hey folks...

I e-mailed this question to Oppo support last Saturday, but haven't heard back yet, so I thought I'd try you experts. Here's what I sent:

I have several 32GB USB thumb drives, each of which contains .wav music files of a specific genre: Jazz; Classical; Popular; Electronic; Folk; etc.

I'm currently using all three USB inputs on the 103 to hold three of these drives at a time, and I use the 103's "Music" menu to access them for playback. So obviously, when I switch to "Music" on the main onscreen menu, I get an onscreen list of whichever three drives are connected.

Since I have more than three categories of music, though, my question is, if I purchased one (or more) of these:

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-4-Port-Ultra-Mini/dp/B003M0NURK/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1383428103&sr=8-16&keywords=Belkin+USB+hub

and connected four of the thumb drives to it (or them)... would the 103's onscreen Music menu then show all of the drives -- a total of twelve drives, if I had three of these 4-way hubs filled with thumb drives and connected to the 103's three USB inputs -- still allowing me to access each thumb drive individually?

Seems to me that it would... but I'd rather not buy the hubs first, only to find that it won't.

Thoughts?...
post #12945 of 16369
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by malikarshad View Post

I'm having issues playing Dream Theater DVD-Audio. BDP-103 is distorting sound for each track after few seconds of play back.
Here is the link of the DVD-Audio

Does anybody know when is Oppo coming with a beta firmware update for 24hz fix for mkv file? I've contacted them many times and they said its coming out soon. The last beta firmware was on Aug 12th and It has been about 3 months without any update. Its very frustrating that they broke something working and the fix is not provided.mad.gif

There is no ETA for this fix. I can confirm that your 24Hz and DVD-Audio issues have been resolved, but that is it. When OPPO releases firmware to the general public is completely at their discretion, so there is no update as to when you may see a new Beta or Official Firmware which will fix your observed issues.
post #12946 of 16369
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Connecting multiple USB thumb-drives...
I'm currently using all three USB inputs on the 103 to hold three of these drives at a time, and I use the 103's "Music" menu to access them for playback. So obviously, when I switch to "Music" on the main onscreen menu, I get an onscreen list of whichever three drives are connected.

Since I have more than three categories of music, though, my question is, if I purchased one (or more) of these:

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-4-Port-Ultra-Mini/dp/B003M0NURK/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1383428103&sr=8-16&keywords=Belkin+USB+hub

Seems to me that it would... but I'd rather not buy the hubs first, only to find that it won't.

That hub should work. As long as you are using a passive hub and not a managed hub, I don't see any problems. I personally use the USB hub that came with the game Rockband without any problems.
post #12947 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

That hub should work. As long as you are using a passive hub and not a managed hub, I don't see any problems. I personally use the USB hub that came with the game Rockband without any problems.

Thanks, Neuro! With the addition of the hubs, my system is going to finally be everything I want and need it to be. biggrin.gif
post #12948 of 16369
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Thanks, Neuro! With the addition of the hubs, my system is going to finally be everything I want and need it to be. biggrin.gif

Just curious but why not use an external hard drive connected by USB?
post #12949 of 16369
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Thanks, Neuro! With the addition of the hubs, my system is going to finally be everything I want and need it to be. biggrin.gif

Until next month, anyway biggrin.gif

(there's always something I think could be better about my system. Engineer's disease)
post #12950 of 16369
Does anyone have the Roku stick? and how does it compare to the Roku 3 box?
post #12951 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

Does anyone have the Roku stick? and how does it compare to the Roku 3 box?

I have both.

I used my roku 3 initially with the OPPO and it worked OK except I would get HDCP errors every once in awhile. I suspect it was a not problem with the roku but never pursued it because i went with the stick.
Have had no problems with HDCP using the stick..

Since OPPO sells the stick for $49, I decided to give it a try. I have been very pleased with the stick.

The stick appears to be a little slower than the 3. The 3 has a faster chipset.

The stick supports MHL and the front port of the OPPO supports MHL so I use the OPPO remote for the stick.

A potentially negative feature is the stick only supports wireless. Does not have wired support. It is not a problem for me.

I moved the 3 to another room with a wired connection.

I hope this helps.
post #12952 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

There is no ETA for this fix. I can confirm that your 24Hz and DVD-Audio issues have been resolved, but that is it. When OPPO releases firmware to the general public is completely at their discretion, so there is no update as to when you may see a new Beta or Official Firmware which will fix your observed issues.

I'm glad they fixed it. Not happy that it's taking them so long to release it, though, especially since we've been hearing "coming this month" for a while now. For some of us, broken 24Hz file playback is a serious fault in the player.
post #12953 of 16369
I have the Stick. Works fine in the Oppo, using the Oppo remote. I find it to not always connect as well when I plug it into my Pioneer 1522 directly (I use an iPad to control it there). Seems to be a not-tight-fit on the Pioneer port causing the issue. But, with the Oppo, it works perfectly all the time.Fifty buck? It's a steal.
post #12954 of 16369
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post

I'm glad they fixed it. Not happy that it's taking them so long to release it, though, especially since we've been hearing "coming this month" for a while now. For some of us, broken 24Hz file playback is a serious fault in the player.

My 103 is collecting dust as I can not swallow raised black level on my GT50. I have e-mail with october as FW release date from uppo.uk, but...
post #12955 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

You've got to be careful with some of these DTS-HD MA Blu-ray tracks. Some of them have a matrixed rear channel in their core (lossy) audio, but it doesn't carry over to the lossless audio after the extensions are applied.

This stuff really needs to be tested with SD-DVD tracks. There may be bugs (which should be reported to OPPO of course), but as far as I know they would JUST be bugs -- as opposed to limitations in the decoder as existed in the older "Essentials" decoders.
--Bob

I plan to report these to Oppo.

The DTS-ES Discreet testing I did was actually with a CD source (the only source of it I have). The Dolby Digital EX was from DVD sources. I'm uncertain if I have any source for DTS-ES Matrix, so I haven't tested that. Using the DTS-HD MA 6.1 Blu-ray track was only to verify that playback being limited to 5.1 channels when the BDP-103 is performing bitstream decoding was only occurring with DTS-ES and DD EX sources (where the back surround channel is an extension of the 5.1 format), not with other 6.1 or 7.1 channel sources . The DTS-HD MA 6.1 does work correctly.

I consider the DTS-ES discreet a 5+1.1 channel format (just like the matrixed DTS-ES and Dolby Digital EX) because of it being an extended 5.1 format, rather than a true, designed from the ground up, 6.1 channel format. The DTS-ES format is designed to be played on 5.1 channel systems, but has the ability to digitally extract the 6th (back surround) channel.
Edited by KC-Technerd - 11/6/13 at 8:13am
post #12956 of 16369
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post


I'm glad they fixed it. Not happy that it's taking them so long to release it, though, especially since we've been hearing "coming this month" for a while now. For some of us, broken 24Hz file playback is a serious fault in the player.

Couldn`t agree more!

post #12957 of 16369
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post

I'm glad they fixed it. Not happy that it's taking them so long to release it, though, especially since we've been hearing "coming this month" for a while now. For some of us, broken 24Hz file playback is a serious fault in the player.

So would you rather, to put it bluntly, have more **** broken for other people just to fix the stuff which is broken for you? That is a little selfish, don't you think? A fix for one thing may invariably cause a failure somewhere else. For example, the DVD-Audio issues were introduced to the latest firmware releases as OPPO implemented error corrections for some user generated WAV files where a horrible white noise was produced through he speakers when playback had been stopped or the next WAV file started playback. OPPO did not foresee that this change in would affect DVD-Audio titles, and for the mast majority of titles there are no problems, but for some specific authored and user generated DVD-Audio titles, the end result is audio corruption after several seconds of playback.

OPPO is working as best as they can to fix issues without introducing new ones for their customers, and if that means delaying firmware until they are satisfied with the firmware, then they will do so.
post #12958 of 16369
eh, the 103 raises a TV's black level? If so, that is not just a minor issue.

edit: maybe he meant unrelated to the player. I sure hope so, because it would be a mighty weird bug to somehow stop black levels from being proper.
Edited by somelogin - 11/6/13 at 2:09am
post #12959 of 16369
I also was angry when you buy the device and detect the problem with the mkv, but I see that Oppo is willing to fix the problem and the time it takes to do so without introducing new bugs is your decision. I at this time I can play 99% of my mkv 60p smoothly and the image quality (which is why I buy this device) is spectacular. Other brands do not fix anything, nor ever answered the questions, which if you and also oppo quickly. Patience and wait the update.
post #12960 of 16369
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Originally Posted by wlst101 View Post

Just curious, but why not use an external hard drive connected by USB?

My CD music collection is very diverse, but not so large that I'd need a huge external hard drive to hold all of it... especially considering that the .wav files I'm ripping and then placing on the thumb drives are only the tracks that I actually like, and enjoy listening to -- which is rarely an entire CD. Also, the thumb drives don't require any external power.


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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Until next month, anyway biggrin.gif

(There's always something I think could be better about my system. Engineer's disease)

Understood. Being retired, I need to keep a tight rein on my change purse, though. Best regards to Sebastopol, by the way; home of Ibis Cycles. Still ride my '86 mountainbike that Scott custom-made for me.
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