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post #13981 of 16419
Paul,
You do not need the 105. The first thing you'll notice with the 103 or 103D is that they are quite a bit faster than the 83 you are using now.

You'll also gain some Internet services that you might enjoy such as VUDU or Netflix.

There are more subtle improvements in audio and video processing capabilities that you may or may not notice. If you do ever get into playing media files instead of shiny discs you'll find the new OPPO players far FAR more capable than the 83.

Oh, also the new players have no fan. Some folks get annoyed by fan noise from the 83.
--Bob
post #13982 of 16419
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Originally Posted by mgulenproto View Post

I've already purchased the mod kit from avsdigital on eBay. it's the one that u have to manually change regions. then I saw your recommend on this one from JVB.  Would u recommend the jvb version over the one I've purchased?
I haven't installed mine yet. just wondering if it's worth getting the jvb one instead?

No all regions modifications chip will change Blu-ray regions automatically. For example if you had your modified BD player set to play Region A BDs, the only way to get it to play Region B BDs is to enter the code called for by the modification chip's manufacturer. You have to reverse the process to shift back to Region A. Fortunately, it's easier where DVDs are concerned. Simply set your player to Region 0 and it should play all DVDs. Also, many, maybe most, BDs these days are universal, which means that a BD player will play them regardless of the region it is limited to.
post #13983 of 16419
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


No all regions modifications chip will change Blu-ray regions automatically. For example if you had your modified BD player set to play Region A BDs, the only way to get it to play Region B BDs is to enter the code called for by the modification chip's manufacturer. You have to reverse the process to shift back to Region A. Fortunately, it's easier where DVDs are concerned. Simply set your player to Region 0 and it should play all DVDs. Also, many, maybe most, BDs these days are universal, which means that a BD player will play them regardless of the region it is limited to.

Thanks for the reply - Yes, my Insignia that i used to use was the same way - when changed to B, it stayed until i put in another region disk and then i changed for that.

 

My concern is that in the write up in the JVB is " This is a modification for the OPPO BDP-103/105 DVD player. After installation it will enable the player to show movies with a different region. This means for example that a region 1 movie will play on a region 2 player, without giving the region code or protection error." 

 

So me, this sounds like you don't have to enter a code.  Is this just misleading, or am i reading it wrong? 

post #13984 of 16419
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Originally Posted by mgulenproto View Post

Thanks for the reply - Yes, my Insignia that i used to use was the same way - when changed to B, it stayed until i put in another region disk and then i changed for that.

My concern is that in the write up in the JVB is " This is a modification for the OPPO BDP-103/105 DVD player. After installation it will enable the player to show movies with a different region. This means for example that a region 1 movie will play on a region 2 player, without giving the region code or protection error." 

So me, this sounds like you don't have to enter a code.  Is this just misleading, or am i reading it wrong? 

It was misleading. Keep in mind when you are reading JVB's advertising blurb that that DVD regions are identified by number, !, 2, 3, etc. What they don't say is that BD regions are identified by letter, A, B, C, etc. Thus the advertising blurb is talking about DVDs only in a way, which to me at least is misleading. Although I give JVB an A+ for the quality of their all regions chips, they get an F in the truth in advertising department.
post #13985 of 16419
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


It was misleading. Keep in mind when you are reading JVB's advertising blurb that that DVD regions are identified by number, !, 2, 3, etc. What they don't say is that BD regions are identified by letter, A, B, C, etc. Thus the advertising blurb is talking about DVDs only in a way, which to me at least is misleading. Although I give JVB an A+ for the quality of their all regions chips, they get an F in the truth in advertising department.

Haha!  I get it now.  Thanks for clarifying.   Hopefully my AVS one from ebay arrives soon so I can test it out!

post #13986 of 16419
Bill - Thank you for the clarification -- and simple explanation -- about the analog issue. I really appreciate it.

Paul
post #13987 of 16419
Bob -

Thanks very much for identifying the A/V improvements that the BDP-103 provides over the BDP-83.

Faster loading speed would be nice, but - alone - I don't think it's enough to justify the upgrade. The fan noise isn't an issue, as all of our A/V equipment (except the projector) is located on a rack inside a closet, so equipment sound isn't an issue. We already get those (and other) internet programs via Roku & Chromecast, so we don't need to disc player to be able to do that, too.

Your suggestion about playing media files is interesting. We don't do that now, but I have wanted to find a way to put all these DVDs and Blu-Rays onto a server on the network and access them from there (my wife hates having all those discs taking up space in the room), so increased ability to do that might be a reason to upgrade. However, I don't really know how to determine what storage device I need to add to my network to be able to do that in a way that would allow us to select videos from onscreen choices in the media room. Seems like I'd also need to install a computer in the media room to do that, wouldn't I?

So, but for that last point, it sounds like we're fine to continue with our BDP-83 until we decide we need to have 3D capability.

Paul
post #13988 of 16419
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Originally Posted by pdalton View Post

Seems like I'd also need to install a computer in the media room to do that, wouldn't I?

Yes, or a file server somewhere on your network.

-Bill
post #13989 of 16419
With the latest beta my oppo 103 I am getting occasional freezing using a fios motrola 7232 as input set to output native resolution. This happens sometimes but not always when I go from a 1080i source to a 720p source like .espn,
The oppo is set to output 1080p in split mode.
any body else see this?

Joel
post #13990 of 16419
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The HDMI Audio AUTO setting is a bit different from the BITSTREAM setting.

First of all, if the track you are playing is already LPCM (i.e., not a Bitstream), then the output will be LPCM. The OPPO does not re-encode LPCM tracks into Bitstream.

If the track you are playing is Bitstream, then the question arises whether the destination device is CAPABLE of processing that Bitstream. The issue is that some devices (e.g., most TV sets -- for their built-in speakers) will accept the traditional, lossy Bitstreams (DD and DTS) but not the newer lossless Bitstreams (Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA).

If you are playing a Bitstream track with AUTO or Bitstream output selected, the player will handshake with the destination device to see if it can accept that Bitstream AS IS. If the answer is NO then:

1) AUTO switches the output to LPCM -- i.e., it decodes the lossless Bitstream into high bit-rate LPCM for output -- up to the number of LPCM channels the destination can receive.

2) Bitstream switches to using the "compatibility" track instead. Blu-ray discs always have a "compatibility" track for just such purposes. For a Dolby TrueHD primary track, the compatibility track will be traditional DD (up to 5.1 channels). For a DTS-HD MA primary track, the compatibility track will be traditional DTS (up to 5.1 channels). HDMI devices should all be able to a accept the compatibility track.

The choice to use LPCM may give you superior results since you get the high bit-rate decode (instead of a decode of the lower bit-rate "compatibility" Bitstream). And for destination devices that can accept multi-channel LPCM at high bit-rate that would be a good solution. HOWEVER, some devices -- again, typical TVs come to mind -- will accept DD 5.1, or even DTS 5.1 traditional Bitstreams but will only accept stereo (2.0) LPCM. What the TV does with that 5.1 input when played on its built-in stereo speakers may be different than a simple down-mix to stereo. It may have some sort of psycho-acoustic surround sound processing for example. And if you enjoy that sort of thing, you might want to be able to retain the 5.1 input.

So for such a destination device you may prefer to retain the 5.1 sound track, even if that means passing the lossy "compatibility" Bitstream instead of the original, lossless Bitstream primary track.

SO:

1) Selecting LPCM output will get you LPCM and only LPCM. If your destination device can only accept stereo LPCM you will get a stereo down-mix. The decode to LPCM is ALWAYS from the full quality primary track -- then down-mixed to a fewer number of channels for output if your destination can't accept the original number of channels. (All this down-mixing is automatic by the way -- part of the HDMI handshake -- not affected by the "Down-mix" setting in the Speaker Configuration settings in the OPPO which only applies to the ANALOG audio outputs.)

2) Selecting BITSTREAM will get you Bitstream if the primary track is a Bitstream (and LPCM if the primary track is LPCM). But if the primary is a lossless Bitstream and your destination device can't accept that, then you will get the "compatibility" Bitstream instead.

3) Selecting AUTO will get you Bitstream if the primary track is a Bitstream AND the destination can accept that AS IS -- at its original quality. If the destination can't accept the Bitstream AS IS -- or if the primary track is LPCM -- you will get LPCM up to the number of channels the destination allows. This may give you HIGHER quality audio because the LPCM is decoded from the full, lossless, high bit-rate Bitstream, or it may give you LOWER quality audio if the destination forces the player to down-mix that LPCM to stereo. If you are playing a lossy Bitstream primary track, and the destination can accept that, then you get that DD or DTS Bitstream. This may let you get multi-channel into a destination device that can only accept stereo for LPCM data. You might wonder why on earth anyone would make a device that can accept multi-channel Bitstream but only stereo LPCM? Well, that was actually the norm in the period just before HDMI came into the picture, because that's exactly how Optical and Coax (S/PDIF) digital audio cabling works.

For MOST people selecting either LPCM or BITSTREAM output (at your personal preference) is the way to go. This would be for everyone, for example, using a modern AVR which can accept EITHER the full, lossless Bitstream formats (TrueHD and DTS-HD MA) OR multi-channel (up to 5.1 or 7.1) high bit-rate LPCM. If you have an AVR like that and select the AUTO option, it will still work, but it makes the HDMI handshake more complicated, meaning you might get a retry which slows down getting to the content you want to view.
--Bob

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. I've always wondered about this and it's difficult to find a clear and concise answer without filtering through tons of fluff. You are awesome!
post #13991 of 16419
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Originally Posted by pdalton View Post

So, the first real question is -- for us and the way we use the player -- are there good reason to move up from the BDP-83 we have now?
You made no mention of whether you watch HDTV via cable or satellite or OTA.

If so, then the real reason to go for a 103/103D (doesn't seem you have any need for a 105) is to benefit from the two external HDMI inputs now present on these boxes. These allow you to benefit from the QDEO/Darbee processing capability in the 103 for 720p/1080i sources by running your HDTV source through the 103, "cleaning up" the HDTV content as well as upconverting to 1080p for delivery to your display better than any cable/satellite DVR's or STB's can do.

This is the REAL benefit of the 103 (not to belittle all its other features and qualities when playing discs or streaming from the web).
post #13992 of 16419
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

With the latest beta my oppo 103 I am getting occasional freezing using a fios motrola 7232 as input set to output native resolution. This happens sometimes but not always when I go from a 1080i source to a 720p source like .espn,
The oppo is set to output 1080p in split mode.
any body else see this?

Joel

I have the same setup and I am not having that issue. The only issue I have is that sometimes when I switch channels I lose audio from the receiver and the only way to get it back is to power off/on the 103. My issue has happened for many firmwares now. Emailing Oppo is the best thing we can do and maybe they can come up with fixes like they did previously with the stuttering video.
post #13993 of 16419
Yes I will do so.

Thanks for you input.
post #13994 of 16419
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post
 
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

With the latest beta my oppo 103 I am getting occasional freezing using a fios motrola 7232 as input set to output native resolution. This happens sometimes but not always when I go from a 1080i source to a 720p source like .espn,
The oppo is set to output 1080p in split mode.
any body else see this?

Joel

I have the same setup and I am not having that issue. The only issue I have is that sometimes when I switch channels I lose audio from the receiver and the only way to get it back is to power off/on the 103. My issue has happened for many firmwares now. Emailing Oppo is the best thing we can do and maybe they can come up with fixes like they did previously with the stuttering video.

 

The delay you experience in audio when switching channels I also get with my Moxi HD DVR HDMI'd into the 105. The video plays fine but mutes the audio for about 3-5 seconds. Afterwards, it plays both audio and video fine.

 

Conversed with Oppo on this (multiple times) and they say its normal due to HDMI handshakes. I don't buy it at all for that would cause the audio and video to mute during this handshake...and besides, I'm switching between TV channels of the same resolution so there should be no handshake to make.

 

Anyways I 'solve' the problem by using the Optical out of the Oppo into my pre-pro. No more audio delays but this is temporary workaround.

 

The new beta supposedly reduces this delay but I'm wary of betas so I hope others braver than I could help out here:).

post #13995 of 16419
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

The delay you experience in audio when switching channels I also get with my Moxi HD DVR HDMI'd into the 105. The video plays fine but mutes the audio for about 3-5 seconds. Afterwards, it plays both audio and video fine.

Conversed with Oppo on this (multiple times) and they say its normal due to HDMI handshakes. I don't buy it at all for that would cause the audio and video to mute during this handshake...and besides, I'm switching between TV channels of the same resolution so there should be no handshake to make.

Anyways I 'solve' the problem by using the Optical out of the Oppo into my pre-pro. No more audio delays but this is temporary workaround.

The new beta supposedly reduces this delay but I'm wary of betas so I hope others braver than I could help out here:) .

My situation is that I lose audio completely. I emailed Oppo and they said they have seen similar issues with Directv boxes and will be fixing both in a future firmware upgrade. Gotta love Oppo especially with 2 email responses from them on a New years Eve.
post #13996 of 16419
Is Amazon Prime available on the Oppo 103?
post #13997 of 16419
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Is Amazon Prime available on the Oppo 103?

Amazon video? No, although the Roku Streaming Stick has it.

-Bill
post #13998 of 16419
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

The delay you experience in audio when switching channels I also get with my Moxi HD DVR HDMI'd into the 105. The video plays fine but mutes the audio for about 3-5 seconds. Afterwards, it plays both audio and video fine.

Conversed with Oppo on this (multiple times) and they say its normal due to HDMI handshakes. I don't buy it at all for that would cause the audio and video to mute during this handshake...and besides, I'm switching between TV channels of the same resolution so there should be no handshake to make.

Anyways I 'solve' the problem by using the Optical out of the Oppo into my pre-pro. No more audio delays but this is temporary workaround.

The new beta supposedly reduces this delay but I'm wary of betas so I hope others braver than I could help out here:) .

There is a HDMI handshake when changing TV stations. Audio is lost for a second or 2 because of switching from 2.0 to 5.1. Resolution has nothing to do with it.
post #13999 of 16419
Yeah I meant Amazon video. Thx!biggrin.gif
post #14000 of 16419
So I just ordered the 103 and I was just wondering if there's a specific way I should hook it up. Should it just HDMI to my receiver or should I send the video straight to the tv and audio through the receiver? Sorry for the probably silly question. The receiver is a pioneer SC -1522k if that matters.
post #14001 of 16419
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Originally Posted by Mikeclough24 View Post

So I just ordered the 103 and I was just wondering if there's a specific way I should hook it up. Should it just HDMI to my receiver or should I send the video straight to the tv and audio through the receiver? Sorry for the probably silly question. The receiver is a pioneer SC -1522k if that matters.

1 cable to the receiver is how HDMI is supposed to work. You use two if you have a 3D display but a receiver that does not pass HDMI 1.4. Or sometimes to get around some compatibility issues, although that is not the normal case.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Yeah I meant Amazon video. Thx!biggrin.gif

Haven't tried that, but am presently watching Hunger Games on Netflix with the Roku stick and the picture/sound is pretty good.  I had a Sony blu ray player previously and the streaming of Netflix was much worse with that machine.  

post #14003 of 16419
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

1 cable to the receiver is how HDMI is supposed to work. You use two if you have a 3D display but a receiver that does not pass HDMI 1.4. Or sometimes to get around some compatibility issues, although that is not the normal case.

-Bill

Just to add to Bill's comment, another reason for using two HDMI cables is if you are playing SACDs and want to send a DSD signal directly to your receiver without having it converted first to PCM. DSD signals can only be output using HDMI2.
post #14004 of 16419
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

The delay you experience in audio when switching channels I also get with my Moxi HD DVR HDMI'd into the 105. The video plays fine but mutes the audio for about 3-5 seconds. Afterwards, it plays both audio and video fine.

Conversed with Oppo on this (multiple times) and they say its normal due to HDMI handshakes. I don't buy it at all for that would cause the audio and video to mute during this handshake...and besides, I'm switching between TV channels of the same resolution so there should be no handshake to make.

Anyways I 'solve' the problem by using the Optical out of the Oppo into my pre-pro. No more audio delays but this is temporary workaround.

The new beta supposedly reduces this delay but I'm wary of betas so I hope others braver than I could help out here:) .

There is a HDMI handshake when changing TV stations. Audio is lost for a second or 2 because of switching from 2.0 to 5.1. Resolution has nothing to do with it.

 

Interesting ... why the switch to and from 2.0 audio? Where does this come from? Anyway to prevent it?

post #14005 of 16419
Switching between audio formats used to cause A/V sync issues. It's been getting better with the handshakes. It's only a matter of time before OPPO gets the A/V handshakes corrected.
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EVERYONE HAVE A BLESS NEW YEAR.
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Originally Posted by pab1219 View Post

EVERYONE HAVE A BLESS NEW YEAR.

You too!
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

You made no mention of whether you watch HDTV via cable or satellite or OTA.

If so, then the real reason to go for a 103/103D (doesn't seem you have any need for a 105) is to benefit from the two external HDMI inputs now present on these boxes. These allow you to benefit from the QDEO/Darbee processing capability in the 103 for 720p/1080i sources by running your HDTV source through the 103, "cleaning up" the HDTV content as well as upconverting to 1080p for delivery to your display better than any cable/satellite DVR's or STB's can do.

This is the REAL benefit of the 103 (not to belittle all its other features and qualities when playing discs or streaming from the web).

Thanks very much for mentioning that. Yes, we do have Verizon FIOS, which does provide a number of HDTV channels we like to watch and I imagine that its 1080 signal probably is 1080i, not 1080p.

Currently, the FIOS box is connected via HDMI to our ONKYO HTC-RC360 Receiver (It has 5 HDMI inputs on the back, so we use one for FIOS, one for the BDP-83, another for the Roku, and another for the Chromecaster. Then the projector is connected to the receiver's single HDMI out, so the receiver ends up doing all the HDMI switching for us).

My understanding is that our ONKYO receiver already has a Marvell QDEO processor to upscale content to 1080p (and to 4K, whatever that is). So would there be some additional benefit to having the FIOS 1080i signal processed first by the BDP-103 and then again by the ONKYO receiver before being sent on to our Epson Powerlite 1080UB projector?

Thinking about that brings up another question (clearly based on my ignorance of how the processing works): What does happen when there are multiple video processing steps in the chain of video equipment? If it's "bad" to have the signal re-processed by (for example) the ONKYO receiver after being earlier processed by the BDP-103, what can be done to prevent that from happening when the projector is connected to the receiver?

Paul
post #14009 of 16419
Unless you have set your fios stb to native the fios box will upscale its 720 feeds (like espn) to 1080i. The oppo 103 does a much better job of this. I have set my 7232 to native and use the 103 to upscale with great results. I send the video directly to tv with sound going to my marantz in split mode.
post #14010 of 16419
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Originally Posted by pdalton View Post

Thanks very much for mentioning that. Yes, we do have Verizon FIOS, which does provide a number of HDTV channels we like to watch and I imagine that its 1080 signal probably is 1080i, not 1080p.

Currently, the FIOS box is connected via HDMI to our ONKYO HTC-RC360 Receiver
Your best results will be obtained feeding the FIOS output in "native" (i.e. left as untouched original 720p/1080i, with the FIOS DVR doing NOTHING to the original source program content) and letting the 103 do "cleanup" of FIOS source via QDEO, and then upconvert of that "native" 720p/1080i resolution to 1080p for delivery out HDMI-1 (to your Onkyo).

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(It has 5 HDMI inputs on the back, so we use one for FIOS, one for the BDP-83, another for the Roku, and another for the Chromecaster. Then the projector is connected to the receiver's single HDMI out, so the receiver ends up doing all the HDMI switching for us).
Yes, that's the convenience of the AVR, using it as an HDMI switcher.

I honestly don't know much about the Roku or Chromecaster. But the Oppo has only two external HDMI inputs, so you couldn't plug all three (including your FIOS DVR) into the 103 simultaneously. But whatever external HDMI sources you do choose to plug into the 103, you will get the same benefits I described above for your FIOS DVR input. You'd get (1) the QDEO "cleanup", and (2) the upconvert to 1080p for 720p/1080i source, for any external HDMI source passed through it.

So you might also consider passing one or the other of these other two sources through the 103 same as FIOS, if the source is 720p/1080i. But unfortunately you can't feed all three simultaneously since the 103 only has two external HDMI inputs. If the Roku or Chromecaster do their own upconversion to 1080p and have no way to disable that, then presumably the only thing possibly offered by either 103 or your Onkyo would be QDEO processing, so it's probably up to you which one to use.

Most important: the results of letting the 103 do its "cleanup" and upconvert-to-1080p thing on your 720p/1080i external input are DRAMATIC. Superb. You'll like it.

Remember that you have to switch inputs somewhere when you have multiple inputs, no matter whether you use the multiple inputs on the 103 or on the Onkyo. But certainly whatever inputs you select via the 103 means you can leave the Onkyo set to the 103's input.

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My understanding is that our ONKYO receiver already has a Marvell QDEO processor to upscale content to 1080p (and to 4K, whatever that is). So would there be some additional benefit to having the FIOS 1080i signal processed first by the BDP-103 and then again by the ONKYO receiver before being sent on to our Epson Powerlite 1080UB projector?
Definitely NOT. You do not need or want any additional video processing once it leaves the 103.

You would want to disable any video processing in the Onkyo for anything delivered by the 103. The Onkyo should just be a pass-through path for HDMI content from the 103 and to your projector. That's also why the 1080p output from the 103 is ideal and as such it should simply be passed through the AVR and delivered exactly as-is-from-103 and untouched-by-the-AVR to the display.
Edited by DSperber - 1/1/14 at 2:01pm
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