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post #14281 of 16361
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Originally Posted by macnewbie View Post

It is 50ft. The one I used to test outside the wall is also 50ft.

Isn't Blu-ray the more demanding application, though?

50ft is very long for HDMI. That one works and the other doesn't: you're at the margin of it's capability. Anything can happen.

For Blu-ray you can switch between 1080p24 and 1080p60 by turning the 1080p24 setting on and off. You can switch on 1080i60 by selecting that as an output resolution.

Same for DVD (the DVD 24p setting is optional). When sending 1080p it sends the same bandwidth as Blu-ray. HDMI video is fully expanded in resolution. DVD is a lower resolution source but when upscaled will be the same bandwidth as Blu-ray.

You could play your DVDs now by setting the player to Source Direct or 480i or 480p. It would be better to get the HDMI working properly, though.

-Bill
post #14282 of 16361
Get the Redmere HDMI cables from Monoprice. They have chips in them for long runs.
post #14283 of 16361
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

50ft is very long for HDMI. That one works and the other doesn't: you're at the margin of it's capability. Anything can happen.

For Blu-ray you can switch between 1080p24 and 1080p60 by turning the 1080p24 setting on and off. You can switch on 1080i60 by selecting that as an output resolution.

Same for DVD (the DVD 24p setting is optional). When sending 1080p it sends the same bandwidth as Blu-ray. HDMI video is fully expanded in resolution. DVD is a lower resolution source but when upscaled will be the same bandwidth as Blu-ray.

You could play your DVDs now by setting the player to Source Direct or 480i or 480p. It would be better to get the HDMI working properly, though.

-Bill

for some strange reason that does not work. To be honest, I am less concerned about DVD's (I could always play them for my kids in a different room, or add a DVD player) What I really want is the ability to play my library off my NAS, for which I need the OPPO main menu, which as discussed previously, does not work either.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Get the Redmere HDMI cables from Monoprice. They have chips in them for long runs.

Thanks for the tip. My run does not need to be that long. Maybe I will try cutting the cable and using a breakout board before I rip my wall open.
post #14284 of 16361
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Originally Posted by macnewbie View Post


So I have been playing with this for the past two hours trying to isolate the source of the problem. If I bypass my in-wall HDMI cable and hook up the AVR output directly to the TV (still using HDMI), everything works as expected, so the culprit is obviously the cable. But I am floored that some types of signals would work and others would not, even if originating from the same source. Is this even possible?

Bandwidth issues can and will cause the HDCP handshake to fail, which always results in a black screen. This is by design, thank the BDA for that one.
post #14285 of 16361
I had my 103 for a few weeks & am very pleased. I did a trial of Netflix streaming but find my internet is too slow to stream HD content so that's out.

I'm also learning new things to do with the 103. The 103 seems to have endless possibilities. I figured out how to connect with the Windows Media Player option on my PC but haven't figured out how to log in to other folders.

Under Network are file extensions to WMP & folders for Photos, Music & Video. The last 3 folders require user name & password. I'm fairly certain I'm using the correct name & password but haven't gained access. I'd prefer to setup easy access folders to view personal movies, photos & music but need advice on what I might be doing wrong? eek.gif

Any ideas?
post #14286 of 16361
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Originally Posted by macnewbie View Post

What confuses me the most is that the Oppo main menu does not display either. Any ideas what kind of output the menu is?

If I bypass the receiver and connect directly to the TV everything works as expected.

Home Menu is displayed at whatever output Resolution, Color Space and Deep Color settings you have selected and at 60 frames per second -- in the US, i.e., with NTSC set for TV System Type.

So if you have set 1080p Resolution, YCbCr 4:4:4 Color Space and Deep Color OFF, Home Menu will display as 1080p/60, YCbCr 4:4:4, 24-bits per pixel.

Now there's a proviso here: The HDMI handshake should prevent the player from sending as output something that your AVR says it can not handle. So if your AVR says it can't accept 30 or 36 bit Deep Color then you should get 24 bit even if you have set 36 bit. And if your AVR says it can't handle above 1080i input, then you'll get that instead of 1080p.

THE MOST COMMON REASON for getting video muted to black, is that your AVR says it can accept what the OPPO is trying to send, but the HDMI cable can't handle that bandwidth.

Test this by first turning Deep Color OFF. Then temporarily set output resolution to 480p (not 480i). 480p is the "simplest" HDMI signal. If that WORKS, then try 1080i. It that ALSO works, then try 1080p. If 480p and 1080i work, but 1080p does not, then you probably need to replace your HDMI cable. Get a cable marked as "high speed", or "for 1080p" or, "Category 2" -- all of which mean the same thing.
--Bob
post #14287 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Home Menu is displayed at whatever output Resolution, Color Space and Deep Color settings you have selected and at 60 frames per second -- in the US, i.e., with NTSC set for TV System Type.

So if you have set 1080p Resolution, YCbCr 4:4:4 Color Space and Deep Color OFF, Home Menu will display as 1080p/60, YCbCr 4:4:4, 24-bits per pixel.

Now there's a proviso here: The HDMI handshake should prevent the player from sending as output something that your AVR says it can not handle. So if your AVR says it can't accept 30 or 36 bit Deep Color then you should get 24 bit even if you have set 36 bit. And if your AVR says it can't handle above 1080i input, then you'll get that instead of 1080p.

THE MOST COMMON REASON for getting video muted to black, is that your AVR says it can accept what the OPPO is trying to send, but the HDMI cable can't handle that bandwidth.

Test this by first turning Deep Color OFF. Then temporarily set output resolution to 480p (not 480i). 480p is the "simplest" HDMI signal. If that WORKS, then try 1080i. It that ALSO works, then try 1080p. If 480p and 1080i work, but 1080p does not, then you probably need to replace your HDMI cable. Get a cable marked as "high speed", or "for 1080p" or, "Category 2" -- all of which mean the same thing.
--Bob

Thanks for the suggestions. I will give this a shot. However if I am unterpreting you correctly you are referring to the communication between the 103 and the AVR, but the cable that seems to be the culprit is the one connecting the AVR to the TV.

Am I getting it right?
post #14288 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I just updated my 103 to the latest official FW (BDP10X-67-1204). I have a question on the new "Auto" setting for DSD. I had my 103 set to DSD for stereo SACD playback using the analog output. For multichannel SACD playback I use the HDMI 1 output so it would force the setting to PCM. But with the new FW with the DSD setting I get no audio signal from the HDMI 1 output. When I use the Auto setting it works fine and defaults to PCM for multichannel playback. When I switched over to my activity for stereo SACD playback (Parasound 2100 preamp with the 103 analog output) it appears that it is in DSD mode as the PCM icon is not showing on the 103's display.

So my question for the "Auto" DSD mode is that if one is using the analog outputs of the 103 does it default to DSD automatically? In the FW notes for item #5 it states "Added the "Auto" mode when choosing the SACD output audio format. This mode is available at the Setup Menu -> Audio Format Setup -> SACD Output". This doesn't really go into much detail so it makes me wonder how the "Auto" DSD mode actually works. Everything seems to be working fine but I was just curious as to the "Auto" mode smile.gif.

Bill

AUTO mode is basically the old "DSD" choice. If the live audio connections can *ALL* accept DSD then you get DSD, otherwise you get PCM to *ALL* live outputs. Since HDMI 1 can never accept DSD (on the 103), to get DSD on *ANY* output you have to disable audio on HDMI 1. You can do this either by setting HDMI Audio OFF, or by using both HDMI 1 (for video) and HDMI 2 (for audio) with Split A/V selected -- which always mutes audio on HDMI 1. Note that the S/PDIF (Optical and Coax) outputs are not licensed to carry SACD content, so they will be muted -- i.e., they don't even get PCM.

The "DSD" choice is now different. If any of the live audio connections can *NOT* accept DSD, then those (and only those) are muted. The rest get DSD. Since Analog can always get DSD, Analog is never muted. Since HDMI 1 (in the 103) can never get DSD, then audio is muted on HDMI 1. HDMI 2 gets DSD according to the handshake with the device at the other end of that cable. If the other end won't take DSD, then HDMI 2 is also muted (i.e., not PCM).

On the 103D, HDMI 1 *CAN* carry DSD.
--Bob
post #14289 of 16361
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Originally Posted by macnewbie View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Home Menu is displayed at whatever output Resolution, Color Space and Deep Color settings you have selected and at 60 frames per second -- in the US, i.e., with NTSC set for TV System Type.

So if you have set 1080p Resolution, YCbCr 4:4:4 Color Space and Deep Color OFF, Home Menu will display as 1080p/60, YCbCr 4:4:4, 24-bits per pixel.

Now there's a proviso here: The HDMI handshake should prevent the player from sending as output something that your AVR says it can not handle. So if your AVR says it can't accept 30 or 36 bit Deep Color then you should get 24 bit even if you have set 36 bit. And if your AVR says it can't handle above 1080i input, then you'll get that instead of 1080p.

THE MOST COMMON REASON for getting video muted to black, is that your AVR says it can accept what the OPPO is trying to send, but the HDMI cable can't handle that bandwidth.

Test this by first turning Deep Color OFF. Then temporarily set output resolution to 480p (not 480i). 480p is the "simplest" HDMI signal. If that WORKS, then try 1080i. It that ALSO works, then try 1080p. If 480p and 1080i work, but 1080p does not, then you probably need to replace your HDMI cable. Get a cable marked as "high speed", or "for 1080p" or, "Category 2" -- all of which mean the same thing.
--Bob

Thanks for the suggestions. I will give this a shot. However if I am unterpreting you correctly you are referring to the communication between the 103 and the AVR, but the cable that seems to be the culprit is the one connecting the AVR to the TV.

Am I getting it right?

HDMI is an end to end protocol, so either cable could be the culprit.
--Bob
post #14290 of 16361
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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony View Post

OK, I am officially irritated. Can someone verify which OPPO app I need to control my 103? The Remote Control or the Media Control? I didn't have any luck getting either to work when I have my network adapter plugged into the back. It would scan for the device but I got nothing.

I can download both of these apps my Samsung Galaxy S4. However, I cannot download the Remote Control (silver icon) on my iPad (not in App Store) and I cannot download EITHER app on a Kindle Fire. They are not available in the Kindle (Amazon) Store from what I hear. Has anyone on this thread had any success getting an OPPO app on a Kindle? If I can't do it, I may scrap using the Kindle down there altogether...

The MediaControl app is the appropriate one for use with the 103. For iPad users, there's a MediaControlHD app which is programmed to take better advantage of the iPad.

Links are here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx

I'm not an Android user, so I don't know what limitations there might be on whether the Android app works on any given Android device.

(The RemoteControl app is an older app written for the more limited app communication capabilities of the 93/95 players. The functions of the Remote Control app are also in the newer MediaControl app.)

For the apps to find the player, you must either be using Ethernet to the player, or you must be using Wifi with the Wifi dongle plugged into the #1 USB port on the back of the player. For the app to find the player while it is "OFF" (so that the app can turn on the player), you must be using Quick Start mode in the player. The app and the player need to be on the same "network" -- if you have a complicated home networking environment, that may be the problem.

You can try PINGing the player from a computer to see if it is accessible. The IP address in use by the player is found in Setup > Network Setup > Connection Info.
--Bob
post #14291 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

AUTO mode is basically the old "DSD" choice. If the live audio connections can *ALL* accept DSD then you get DSD, otherwise you get PCM to *ALL* live outputs. Since HDMI 1 can never accept DSD (on the 103), to get DSD on *ANY* output you have to disable audio on HDMI 1. You can do this either by setting HDMI Audio OFF, or by using both HDMI 1 (for video) and HDMI 2 (for audio) with Split A/V selected -- which always mutes audio on HDMI 1. Note that the S/PDIF (Optical and Coax) outputs are not licensed to carry SACD content, so they will be muted -- i.e., they don't even get PCM.

The "DSD" choice is now different. If any of the live audio connections can *NOT* accept DSD, then those (and only those) are muted. The rest get DSD. Since Analog can always get DSD, Analog is never muted. Since HDMI 1 (in the 103) can never get DSD, then audio is muted on HDMI 1. HDMI 2 gets DSD according to the handshake with the device at the other end of that cable. If the other end won't take DSD, then HDMI 2 is also muted (i.e., not PCM).

On the 103D, HDMI 1 *CAN* carry DSD.
--Bob

Bob,

As always thanks for your detailed thoughts smile.gif.

Bill
post #14292 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The MediaControl app is the appropriate one for use with the 103. For iPad users, there's a MediaControlHD app which is programmed to take better advantage of the iPad.

Links are here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx

I'm not an Android user, so I don't know what limitations there might be on whether the Android app works on any given Android device.

(The RemoteControl app is an older app written for the more limited app communication capabilities of the 93/95 players. The functions of the Remote Control app are also in the newer MediaControl app.)

For the apps to find the player, you must either be using Ethernet to the player, or you must be using Wifi with the Wifi dongle plugged into the #1 USB port on the back of the player. For the app to find the player while it is "OFF" (so that the app can turn on the player), you must be using Quick Start mode in the player. The app and the player need to be on the same "network" -- if you have a complicated home networking environment, that may be the problem.

You can try PINGing the player from a computer to see if it is accessible. The IP address in use by the player is found in Setup > Network Setup > Connection Info.
--Bob

Bob:

Thanks so much for the input. EXTREMELY HELPFUL. When I can put my room back together at the end of this week and fire up my components, I'll be sure to give it a go again. I have Ethernet going to the player and I have the Wifi dongle. I tried the app with the Ethernet hooked up and did not have any luck. Someone told me that I had to have the wifi up to make it work. So I'll try both again.

On another note, I was able to sideload both of the OPPO apps on my Kindle. So when I do get it up and running, I'll be able to use a Kindle, iPad and my S4 as tests.
post #14293 of 16361
Any performance advantage streaming from a USB drive vs ethernet connected NAS
post #14294 of 16361
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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony View Post


Bob:

Thanks so much for the input. EXTREMELY HELPFUL. When I can put my room back together at the end of this week and fire up my components, I'll be sure to give it a go again. I have Ethernet going to the player and I have the Wifi dongle. I tried the app with the Ethernet hooked up and did not have any luck. Someone told me that I had to have the wifi up to make it work. So I'll try both again.

On another note, I was able to sideload both of the OPPO apps on my Kindle. So when I do get it up and running, I'll be able to use a Kindle, iPad and my S4 as tests.

 

Hm, I'm able to use the app over Ethernet on my S3. You've probably already checked this, but make sure your Ethernet cable is coming through your router and not from your modem/cable box if you have one. Otherwise, the 103 will be on a different internal network than your phone so the scan won't find it.

post #14295 of 16361
A question for the Oppo experts - I have searched but unable to find an answer.

I have my unit connected via HDMI for video and analog "out" for audio.

I am wondering if I am missing something in the configuration settings. I have the speaker configuration set to 5.1 mix-down.

I am wondering if I need to continually change the settings or if there is a setting that will do this automatically.

Here is the issue.

When I am listening through speakers (for a movie or show), everything is fine but when I switch to headphones, I get no sound (i.e. no dialog). I have fooled around with the settings and get it to work in the end but not sure what setting is doing what. Is there some setting based on this configuration that will allow me to just plug in my phones (on my AV receiver) and get all the audio?

The second issue is with old TV shows for example. The dialog should be coming only from the center speaker but it seems to default to stereo sound unless I fool around with the settings.

I am hoping someone can give me a quick fix for what settings do what for these two issues and whether they need to be adjusted based on the video source to get the correct audio.

I am watching on Netflix for example and the HD show comes in perfectly. I the watch a classic TV show and the sound is stereo instead of center channel. Flip on the headphones and no sound once I get it going to center channel.
post #14296 of 16361
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Originally Posted by starchoice View Post

I have the speaker configuration set to 5.1 mix-down.

I am wondering if I need to continually change the settings or if there is a setting that will do this automatically.

Here is the issue.

When I am listening through speakers (for a movie or show), everything is fine but when I switch to headphones, I get no sound (i.e. no dialog). I have fooled around with the settings and get it to work in the end but not sure what setting is doing what. Is there some setting based on this configuration that will allow me to just plug in my phones (on my AV receiver) and get all the audio?
Are your headphones coming out of the L/R "monitor" outputs of your AVR / sound system which is fed from the 7.1 analog outputs of the Oppo (although you're clearly only using the 5.1 outputs)?

If so, in order to correctly hear multi-channel source through 2-channel speakers or headphones, you must use the "downmix to stereo" setting for speaker configuration in the Oppo. The 5.1 mixdown you currently have assumes a true 5.1 analog speaker setup, with dialog mostly coming out of the center channel. Using headphones simply sends the AVR's L/R channel outputs to the 2-channel headphones, thus not getting any of the other channels and specifically not getting the center channel where dialog mostly emanates from.

So, it is necessary for you to use either (a) Oppo "downmix to stereo" whenever you want to listen through headphones, or (b) if your AVR has a similar capability you can do it there instead. But one way or the other you can't just tap into the L/R channels of a 5.1 mix (by going to headphone output from the AVR) and expect to be hearing any channels other than L/R.

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The second issue is with old TV shows for example. The dialog should be coming only from the center speaker but it seems to default to stereo sound unless I fool around with the settings.
You need to be a bit more specific about what "old TV shows" means. Do you mean watching from an SD 480i channel from your cable/satellite routing the HDMI output of the DVR through the HDMI input of the Oppo? Or something else?

Although old TV shows may genuinely have been in mono (before the days of MTS stereo audio on OTA TV), anything delivered via cable or satellite today will guaranteed be delivered either as (a) 2-channel DD 2.0 stereo L/R, or (b) 5.1 channel DD. Presumably old mono TV shows have their mono tracks delivered simultaneously to both L and R stereo channels (unless some type of audio pre-processing has been done by the broadcaster to try and simulate stereo where it wasn't there in the original).

And the 2-channel audio does NOT have a center channel. So this audio would go to the L/R channels of the 5.1 audio outputs from the Oppo to your AVR. I would think you'd hear this type of 2-channel source audio perfectly on your 2-channel headphones. There should be nothing coming out of the center channel at all... no matter from 2-channel L/R headphones nor from real 5.1 speakers... when the source program is delivering DD2.0 2-channel L/R stereo audio.

Am I missing something? What don't I understand about this problem description of yours?
Edited by DSperber - 1/13/14 at 10:16pm
post #14297 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Tom Grooms View Post

Any performance advantage streaming from a USB drive vs ethernet connected NAS

No, both should have ample bandwidth.

-Bill
post #14298 of 16361

OPPO 103EU

A friend has the Oppo IO3EU connected via HDMI to latest Arcam AVR and it plays DVD,s succcessfully, however it will not play a SACD disc. We do not know if this is the fault of the player or the receiver. Do you have to change the Menu setting on the Oppo in order to play SACD ?
post #14299 of 16361
Thinking of selling my BDP103. Thoughts on a fair price for a just over 1 year old unit?
post #14300 of 16361
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Originally Posted by 4mula1 View Post

Anybody else experiencing lip sync issues for the first time after newest beta firmware? I have had 103 for over a year with zero lip sync issues until updating to new beta firmware. It seems to be happening to everything I play, Blu-ray and MKV.

I am and its very annoying.
post #14301 of 16361

Hi

 

Bought my 103 last september. For xmas I got a synology 213j NAS. My AX-R2020 can stream from it no probs.

However when I go to the 103's home page and select network, I can see the NAS but clicking on it to drill down to the any of the folders seems to lock the 103 up, it becomes completely unresponsive, to point I have to pull the power cord out. Odd thing is that if I use a DMC app such DS video or Kinsky on an Ipad  I can see the 103 and I can then send it a moive and it plays it. It just seems that it freezes up when using its own home screen network function :confused:

 

Any ideas anyone ???

post #14302 of 16361
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Originally Posted by electricmanscott View Post

Thinking of selling my BDP103. Thoughts on a fair price for a just over 1 year old unit?

Check the used prices on Amazon and other sites including AVS.
post #14303 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Disbeliever View Post

A friend has the Oppo IO3EU connected via HDMI to latest Arcam AVR and it plays DVD,s succcessfully, however it will not play a SACD disc. We do not know if this is the fault of the player or the receiver. Do you have to change the Menu setting on the Oppo in order to play SACD ?
Do you mean... None of your friends SACD's spin and the counter on the front of the Oppo does not change? Or, your friends SACD's spin, the counter on the front of the Oppo does change, but you can't hear anything?

By the way... I've just had a quick look through the Arcam's AV950/AVR750/AVR450/ARV380 user manual and there's no mention of (bit-stream) DSD decoder support. So if you want to hear SACD's you will have to set the Oppo's 'SACD Output' option to PCM.


Cheers
post #14304 of 16361
Basic network question. I am setting up my 103. When I scan for netowrks, it locates my network, accepts the password and displays "success" BUT when I use the "test connection" it says no internet found. What am I missing? Signal strength is in the 70% range now and I am getting the latest Verizon router tomorrow so it will be even stronger and fully utilize my 50ish mb down. Thanks!
post #14305 of 16361
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Originally Posted by jhw59 View Post

Basic network question. I am setting up my 103. When I scan for netowrks, it locates my network, accepts the password and displays "success" BUT when I use the "test connection" it says no internet found. What am I missing? Signal strength is in the 70% range now and I am getting the latest Verizon router tomorrow so it will be even stronger and fully utilize my 50ish mb down. Thanks!

It means you are not getting out to the internet, or at least not to OPPO's servers.

The Network function on the Home Screen is for your local network. Test Connection actually contacts OPPO's servers.

-Bill
post #14306 of 16361
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

It means you are not getting out to the internet, or at least not to OPPO's servers.

The Network function on the Home Screen is for your local network. Test Connection actually contacts OPPO's servers.

-Bill

Ok,, what are my options to access the internet via my network? Thanks!
post #14307 of 16361
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Originally Posted by jhw59 View Post

Ok,, what are my options to access the internet via my network? Thanks!

Is internet access working ok for the rest of your computers on the same network?

You have Setup -> Network Setup -> IP Setting set to Auto(DHCP) ?

Do the IP values below that look correct for your network? Particularly the DNS values?

-Bill
post #14308 of 16361
^ Start by seeing if the Internet connection is live despite Connection Test. For example, try launching the YouTube app from Home Menu.

If the Internet connection is not live check Setup > Network Setup > Connection Info to see if the player has retrieved reasonable values for its IP address and DNS lookup addresses from your network router. For example is it trying to use an IP address already in use by some other device?

Try power cycling your router. Check if the router supports the number of devices you are trying to use simultaneously. Check if the router has protection enabled where it requires you to specify the hardware that can use it -- by MAC Address.

Note that Connection Test can fail right after you power up or first set up networking simply because the networking is not completely awake yet. Just retry Connection Test to check.
--Bob
post #14309 of 16361
Thank you Bill and Bob. I am getting a new router tomorrow so before I spend any more of our time with this issue, I will wait and get the new one set up.
post #14310 of 16361
Thanks for your detailed response. I ask these questions because it is a new set-up for me although my AV receiver is the same. Previously, I would get the 5.1 surround on my system and if I plugged in the headphones, it seems that it would just automatically down-convert via the AVR to 2 channel on the headphones.
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Are your headphones coming out of the L/R "monitor" outputs of your AVR / sound system which is fed from the 7.1 analog outputs of the Oppo (although you're clearly only using the 5.1 outputs)?

I'm not 100% sure of your question but I think the answer is yes. I have followed the Oppo manual and did the down-mix to 5.1. Is part of the problem that these analog outputs, for some reason on the AVR, cannot be modified to any different sound field?
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

If so, in order to correctly hear multi-channel source through 2-channel speakers or headphones, you must use the "downmix to stereo" setting for speaker configuration in the Oppo. The 5.1 mixdown you currently have assumes a true 5.1 analog speaker setup, with dialog mostly coming out of the center channel. Using headphones simply sends the AVR's L/R channel outputs to the 2-channel headphones, thus not getting any of the other channels and specifically not getting the center channel where dialog mostly emanates from.

I understand this but on my previous set-up (e.g. standard DVD or satellite), the process was automatic. It still is automatic on my satellite because I have not changed the configuration for that unit.
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

So, it is necessary for you to use either (a) Oppo "downmix to stereo" whenever you want to listen through headphones, or (b) if your AVR has a similar capability you can do it there instead. But one way or the other you can't just tap into the L/R channels of a 5.1 mix (by going to headphone output from the AVR) and expect to be hearing any channels other than L/R.

...but it seems to work that way for everything else with the AVR doing automatic switching.
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

You need to be a bit more specific about what "old TV shows" means. Do you mean watching from an SD 480i channel from your cable/satellite routing the HDMI output of the DVR through the HDMI input of the Oppo? Or something else?

Although old TV shows may genuinely have been in mono (before the days of MTS stereo audio on OTA TV), anything delivered via cable or satellite today will guaranteed be delivered either as (a) 2-channel DD 2.0 stereo L/R, or (b) 5.1 channel DD. Presumably old mono TV shows have their mono tracks delivered simultaneously to both L and R stereo channels (unless some type of audio pre-processing has been done by the broadcaster to try and simulate stereo where it wasn't there in the original).

And the 2-channel audio does NOT have a center channel. So this audio would go to the L/R channels of the 5.1 audio outputs from the Oppo to your AVR. I would think you'd hear this type of 2-channel source audio perfectly on your 2-channel headphones. There should be nothing coming out of the center channel at all... no matter from 2-channel L/R headphones nor from real 5.1 speakers... when the source program is delivering DD2.0 2-channel L/R stereo audio.

OK - Two real life examples. Let's forget about satellite because it's not via the Oppo. The issue is strictly related to the Oppo so either Netflix or standard DVD. I'm talking old black and white TV shows, e.g. Dick Van Dyke or Alfred Hitchcock on Netflix. I have also played an old DVD through the Oppo. On my AVR (pre-Oppo), I would always get these shows, movies, etc. automatically downmixed(?) to center channel. Presumably, this is correct and should be like this because the sound is more realistic than stereo and true to the original broadcast, not to mention that the dialog comes from centre channel where it's supposed to be. When I first plugged in a DVD into the Oppo or watched on Netflix, I would get stereo sound. I think I have been able to "fix" this by choosing Cinema on the Oppo menu for sound choice (although not 100% sure).
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Am I missing something? What don't I understand about this problem description of yours?

Would I have the same issues if I used an HDMI from the Oppo into the AVR versus analog? I'm guessing probably not because the AVR would be doing automatic switching? Can I guess that the extra settings needed to be done on the Oppo are a result of the limitations of the analog inputs into the AVR and not being able to change the sound field on them via the AVR?

Am I expecting too much from the audio analog connections, something they were not meant to do?

Lastly, does anyone have both HDMI and analong connected as inputs to the AVR? Is there any benefit to this at all? I would assume that even if done this way, it would still involve manual changes to the Oppo via the menu depending what output you wanted. Would everything be automatic again if I just used HDMI to the the AVR?
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