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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post

Because when you use the Oppo's analog outputs, it is the Oppo doing the decoding and not the Marantz. When you use the digital outputs, it is the Marantz doing the decoding and not the Oppo.
Not quite. If you are set to bitstream the Marantz will do the decoding. If you set the player to PCM, the Oppo does the decoding, even on digital outputs (HDMI, Coax, Optical). Now that will bring about different set of issues. Only HDMI will support multichannel PCM. Coax/optical is limited to 2 channel PCM.

S~
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams View Post


Because when you use the Oppo's analog outputs, it is the Oppo doing the decoding and not the Marantz. When you use the digital outputs, it is the Marantz doing the decoding and not the Oppo.

 

 

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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post


Not quite. If you are set to bitstream the Marantz will do the decoding. If you set the player to PCM, the Oppo does the decoding, even on digital outputs (HDMI, Coax, Optical). Now that will bring about different set of issues. Only HDMI will support multichannel PCM. Coax/optical is limited to 2 channel PCM.

S~


This all makes sense...thanks very much for the clarification!

 

Speaking of a 'different set of issues', any advice on a worthy upgrade from a Marantz SR7300OSE?  Just kidding...I know this is not the forum...

 

T

post #14793 of 16359
Got my BDP-103 up and running this morning. Have to say that so far I am impressed.
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Originally Posted by cougar75 View Post

Got my BDP-103 up and running this morning. Have to say that so far I am impressed.

Nice!
post #14795 of 16359
I just got a 103 installed. I see alot of people are having issues with setting up a smb share with windows. I'm having the same issue as far as it not accepting the user and password. I installed oshare which actually works fine with my 1080p mkvs with dts-hd audio.

Problem is they all have psg subtitles and i can hit subtitle button and see them as options, but when selected i never actually get the subtitles to show up. Any help would be great. Thanks
post #14796 of 16359
Using the latest Beta I have been seeing occasional freezes when my Motorola Fios box (set at native) goes from 720P to 1080i or vice versa in split mode. I have reported it to support. This occurs with either the front or rear HDMI inputs. I need to unplug to resolve the freeze.

Support did not seem overly concerned.

Any others seeing this?

Joel
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Hi to everyone,

Thanks for replying so numerous. I really appreciate the support, thanks! I apologize for not replying sooner but I was travelling.
I will reply to everyone but, please, may I ask alll recipients (praz, bwillcox, HomeGuyy, jazzguy, gsr, turboman123, rdGrimes, DSperber, TeachSac, SeeMoreDigital) to read the replies which I give to all others?

First of all, I live in Tokyo but I'm not Japanese - I'm Italian (nobody's perfect!)
:-)

Malfunction:
1.a) Every time that I start a movie in Netflix it is on "mute". I must un-mute it.
1.b) Every time that I start a movie in Netflix or press pause, stop, etc on AppleTV the film goes on "mute". I must un-mute it.
2) Often the image flickers. I have to unplug the Oppo, wait 10 secs and plug it back in.

Oppo, implicitly, recognized the design flaw:
"We have already stated that we will continue to work on firmware to resolve these kind of errors, so it is expected that firmware, not hardware, is necessary to resolve issues and this firmware will be released sometime in the lifespan of the player."

My quarrel:
I agreed to Oppo's shipping terms as long as Oppo agree to define "defective" a unit which does not comply to HDMI standards.
Oppo refused.
Oppo stated that they only recognize their own standards and subsequently added: "It is not unacceptable or unreasonable to have to connect HDMI 1 to the display for video and HDMI 2 to the receiver "
So I asked, alternatively, for a 50% (200$) price reduction for misrepresenting the unit's ability to perform with one HDMI cable only.
In the last email Oppo clearly writes that they are aware of the problem and will try to fix it with new firmware.

I purchsed the unit in the US from AV Science, together with my projector.
I couldn't use it in the US for the first few months as everything was packed ready to be shipped to Japan (I have a home also in Japan and another in Italy as I travel between these 3 countries a lot).

In Japan the malfunctions were immediately apparent and I called Oppo Japan but they wouldn't even look at it as it was purchased in the US. In fact they were very rude. I called Oppo but I was invited to write. I wrote to Oppo and no one replied. Nothing was solved for a few months. Finally I wrote again. I attach the correspondence: Oppo1.doc 96k .doc file but also this didn't solve anything.

When Oppo refused to honour the warranty I posted on Home Theatre Shack Forum where there was an evident, biased, protection of Oppo. My posts were first removed from the Oppo thread. Then they were edited removing important and relevant considerations and finally I was banned for complaining that I had been censored.

@ paz:
"Because your particular configuration is having a compatibility issue does not make the OPPO flawed nor defective":
- I tested the same unit in a friend's HT system and the same problem surfaced.
- I tested the same configuration with 3 other deviecs and they worked.
To me this is a defective or flawed unit.
"Continuing along this course is not going to help your cause."
It's not a cause as I'm not on a crusade: I simply want to see that the money which I spent will entitle me to have a normally functioning BR and media Player! Is it too much to ask?

@ bwillcox:
Yes, I believe that it is a "handshake" issue. Oppo thinks this too. The technician who came to my home thinks this too. The handshake problem is caused by a design flaw with the Oppo 103.

@HomeGuyy:
- I can't return it because AVS (which sold it) is not responsible and I would not ask them as it's not their responsibility.
- I tried 3 other units of different brands and they all work flawlessly.
My setup is as follows:
- AppleTV => Oppo 103 => Onkyo TX-SA805 (from here to 5+1 speakers) => JVC RS4810
> "Maybe you can run the Oppo directly to the T.V."
Yes, i tried and it works. But then I need a second cable for the other signals to be routed to the display as my AVR has other devices hooked up to it.

@jazzguy:
I copied the correspondence on a .doc file. Oppo.doc 96k .doc file

@gsr:
I'm in touch with Oppo US
I cannot return it as it's not the seller's fault and the fault was noticed after the 30 days window.
> A switch is a good idea if I can operate it from my Harmony Remote as my wife is not very practical with the HT and I need a simple button to be pressed on a single remote.
> A switch is an extra cost which should be paid by Oppo but... that's not going to be an issue. I'm a practical person. I'll pay for it if it's reasonable price. problem may be to retain the single remote...

@turboman123:
I'm not Japanese but Italian... as I said, nobody's perfect! LOL :-)
Details of the problems are posted at the beginning of this post.
I attach the Oppo replies here: Oppo.doc 96k .doc file
I imported the Oppo from the US.
My setting is on "Multisystem". I tried all of them... no avail!

@rdGrimes:
What would you consider "real information"?

@DSperber:
AppleTV => Oppo 103 => Onkyo TX-SA805 (from here to 5+1 speakers) => JVC RS4810
Source which generates the "mute" problems is Netflix (Oppo 103) and AppleTV (I tried both front and read HDMI).
Source which generates the "flickering" problems are all sources, including BR discs.
I tried to use HDMI1, as specified in the email by Oppo. But, just to be sure, I tested also HDMI2.
This was my previous setup.
I tested the same setup with 3 other players (Roku, WD LiveTV, AppleTV).
I tested new HDMI cables.
I tested the Onkyo AVR (Onkyo technician said it's Oppo's fault).
I tested the Oppo 103 in a friend’s HT too. Same problem.
Malfunctions are described at the beginning of this post.

@TeachSac and SeeMoreDigital:
Please, read previous replies.

@HomeGuy:
I can pass only one cable in the wall. The housing is large enough for 2 cables and to pull through an HDMI cable's connector. But the connector won't pass if another cable is already in the housing.
I tried to use another cable (I bought a new cable) and the problem is not fixed. Yes, I am saying that the Oppo will not work with any HDMI cable!

I wish to end this post by thanking, again, the eagerness to help! Finally on AVS forum I did not read any biased comments protecting Oppo upfront but asking for info to help me. I appreciate the open mind and I appreciate the time that you all invested to try to help me.

In short:
1. I do not accept that Oppo considers only their standards for the warranty and discards the HDMI standards as posted on wikipedia and on the HDMI webpage.
2. I accept to pay for shipping if Oppo will give up this arrogance and recognize HDMI standards. If Oppo does not recognize HDMI standards then I ask for a 50% price reduction for misrepresenting the unit's specifications and performances.

By the way, my name is Tommaso!
Edited by ascanio1 - 2/6/14 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Go read a short discussion on the 105 forum regarding the Netflix app on the Oppo players. ( http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8190#post_24088307), starting with post 8198 thru Bob's post at 8222. It should give you more insight with your Netflix issue, and a possible resolution.

I thought Bob's post was pretty interesting, especially since I'm having WiFi problems at home. But I wondered about the IPv6 angle. Does the Oppo have IPv6 capability? I couldn't find any place in Settings for, say, a DNS entry in that standard.
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post


Not quite. If you are set to bitstream the Marantz will do the decoding. If you set the player to PCM, the Oppo does the decoding, even on digital outputs (HDMI, Coax, Optical). Now that will bring about different set of issues. Only HDMI will support multichannel PCM. Coax/optical is limited to 2 channel PCM.

S~

Depends on what you mean by decoding.  When you use the analog outputs, the Oppo is doing the D/A conversion and, when you use its digital output, the Marantz is doing the D/A conversion, regardless of whether you are decoding/sending PCM or bitstream.  It may be that the disturbances are handled differently by the two different DAC stages.

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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post

@HomeGuyy:

My setup is as follows:
- AppleTV => Oppo 103 => Onkyo TX-SA805 (from here to 5+1 speakers) => JVC RS4810
> "Maybe you can run the Oppo directly to the T.V."
Yes, i tried and it works. But then I need a second cable for the other signals to be routed to the display as my AVR has other devices hooked up to it.


@HomeGuy:
I can pass only one cable in the wall. The housing is large enough for 2 cables and to pull through an HDMI cable's connector. But the connector won't pass if another cable is already in the housing.
I tried to use another cable (I bought a new cable) and the problem is not fixed. Yes, I am saying that the Oppo will not work with any HDMI cable!

By the way, my name is Tommaso!
Tommaso, may I suggest simplification. There is just too much information in your voluminous post for me to deal with. redface.gif

In your replies to HomeGuy there seems to be a clue that points to the HDMI signal path that passes through your AVR in that connecting the OPPO directly to your projector works. You have in wall wiring but the "housing" isn't big enough for a passive HDMI cable and then the connector of a second passive HDMI to pass through.

Are you aware of the Monoprice Redmere technology active cables available at monoprice dot com? I'm sure that two of them could be pulled through your wall without difficulty.
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Depends on what you mean by decoding.  When you use the analog outputs, the Oppo is doing the D/A conversion and, when you use its digital output, the Marantz is doing the D/A conversion, regardless of whether you are decoding/sending PCM or bitstream.  It may be that the disturbances are handled differently by the two different DAC stages.
Yes, when using the analogs, the player does both the decoding of the audio track and the digital to analog conversion. I am not one who uses Decoding and Digital to Analog Conversion interchangeably. wink.gif

S~
post #14802 of 16359
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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post


By the way, my name is Tommaso!

Since you travel among three countries with different TV standards and different electricity standards (Japan and the U.S. are very similar but not identical; Italy is different), I would like to get some additional information about your Oppo settings. What do you have the Oppo video settings set to? I would want to know everyone of the settings in the Oppo's setup menus. Actually, a complete list of all your Oppo settings might be useful.

The Oppo players sold in North America were built to work in North America and slight differences in standards may affect them. I know a lot of people in other countries have successfully used Oppos made for North America but some others have reported problems. I remember a few years ago someone in Indonesia, I believe, who had lots of issues with an earlier Oppo N.A. spec player. Also, is your receiver a Japanese model or one built for North America? There have been interface issues in the past between Japan-spec electronics and N.A.-spec electronics.

I have a hunch that part of your problems may be the result of using the player in Japan.

I also don't understand why you are so reluctant to use another HDMI cable from the Oppo directly to your receiver. You could still have HDMI out from your receiver to another input on your TV and merely switch which output you select when using devices other than the Oppo. This seems to be a perfectly painless workaround to me but you seem to see it differently.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Since you travel among three countries with different TV standards and different electricity standards (Japan and the U.S. are very similar but not identical; Italy is different), I would like to get some additional information about your Oppo settings. What do you have the Oppo video settings set to? I would want to know everyone of the settings in the Oppo's setup menus. Actually, a complete list of all your Oppo settings might be useful.

The Oppo players sold in North America were built to work in North America and slight differences in standards may affect them. I know a lot of people in other countries have successfully used Oppos made for North America but some others have reported problems. I remember a few years ago someone in Indonesia, I believe, who had lots of issues with an earlier Oppo N.A. spec player. Also, is your receiver a Japanese model or one built for North America? There have been interface issues in the past between Japan-spec electronics and N.A.-spec electronics.

I have a hunch that part of your problems may be the result of using the player in Japan.

I also don't understand why you are so reluctant to use another HDMI cable from the Oppo directly to your receiver. You could still have HDMI out from your receiver to another input on your TV and merely switch which output you select when using devices other than the Oppo. This seems to be a perfectly painless workaround to me but you seem to see it differently.
I would also like to ask if the Onkyo 805 firmware is up to date. Having had one, handshake issues were not uncommon.

S~
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I would also like to ask if the Onkyo 805 firmware is up to date. Having had one, handshake issues were not uncommon.

S~

Isn't that the Onkyo which had HDMI board problems?
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Isn't that the Onkyo which had HDMI board problems?
And a few others.

S~
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^I think the TX-SA805 and TX-SR805 are the same. I have the SR805 and don't have any major issues with the current Oppo players.
I have followed discussions about the AVR since it's release and have owned it for several years.
Some units have had issues with the HDMI board, but most of them don't.
I do have the last firmware update that was installed a few years ago and all has been good since then.
If anyone with an ~805 doesn't have the latest fw then they definitely should upgrade it.
There are upgrades available for the DSP and the main fw, depending on when a particular unit was manufactured.
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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post

I'm in touch with Oppo US
I cannot return it as it's not the seller's fault and the fault was noticed after the 30 days window.
> A switch is a good idea if I can operate it from my Harmony Remote as my wife is not very practical with the HT and I need a simple button to be pressed on a single remote.
> A switch is an extra cost which should be paid by Oppo but... that's not going to be an issue. I'm a practical person. I'll pay for it if it's reasonable price. problem may be to retain the single remote...
There are lots of HDMI switches that can be controlled with your Harmony remote, some of which are at very reasonable price points. For what I hope are obvious reasons, I would suggest sourcing one locally and make sure it can be returned if it doesn't work out as adding another gizmo in the HDMI chain could potentially cause other issues. Someone else suggested running a pair of HDMI cables with Redmere technology through your conduit - that strikes me as a pretty reasonable solution too.

That was a long post with a ton of repetitive answers in it - there's no need to reply to each individual post when suggestions were basically the same. Your bound to get more useful help by keeping posts brief.
Edited by gsr - 2/7/14 at 5:59am
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I just got a 103 installed. I see alot of people are having issues with setting up a smb share with windows. I'm having the same issue as far as it not accepting the user and password. I installed oshare which actually works fine with my 1080p mkvs with dts-hd audio.

Problem is they all have psg subtitles and i can hit subtitle button and see them as options, but when selected i never actually get the subtitles to show up. Any help would be great. Thanks
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Are you aware of the Monoprice Redmere technology active cables available at monoprice dot com? I'm sure that two of them could be pulled through your wall without difficulty.
Nice, I'll buy 2 and see if they fit! I hope that they will fit... I really hope that this will work. This does not change the absurd fact that Oppo advertises the 103 as a media player! It is not an HDMI compliant media player!

Thanks for the advice, I'll be back on thursday and I'll buy them and test them. I appreciate the advice!
post #14810 of 16359
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Actually, a complete list of all your Oppo settings might be useful.
I don't remember off the top of my head but you can find them listed in the correspondence with Oppo. They instructed me how to set up the player.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I have a hunch that part of your problems may be the result of using the player in Japan.
I buy everything in the US either new or on eBay. I buy everything in the US to avoid these compatibility issues. My Onkyo was second hand. My BR Player, AppleTV, Roku, WD LiveTV, and JVC projector were new.
Having said this, please note that the HDMI standard is a world standard and not a US or regional stadard. The whole point of standards is to avoid this sort of problems,. Anyway, it's not my case as all my units are US.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I also don't understand why you are so reluctant to use another HDMI cable from the Oppo directly to your receiver. You could still have HDMI out from your receiver to another input on your TV and merely switch which output you select when using devices other than the Oppo. This seems to be a perfectly painless workaround to me but you seem to see it differently.
As I wrote in my long reply (please read all of it) I passed the HDMI cable in the wall as the devices are in another room. The cable housing isn't large enough for 2 HDMI cables.
Edited by ascanio1 - 2/7/14 at 7:26am
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@mongo171,
@ teachsac,
@ smartypants,
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I would also like to ask if the Onkyo 805 firmware is up to date. Having had one, handshake issues were not uncommon.
When Oppo wrote to me that it was my Onkyo which was causing the problem I called a technician from a shop that also sells Onkyo. He came and tested the device. I'm not sure if he updated the firmware (can you do this?) but he found that the Onkyo was working and wrote a report where he said that the Oppo 103 was not working as it should under HDMI standards. So I exclude that it's the Onkyo.

Can you link me to the correct Onkyo firmware update? On Onkyo's web page (http://www.onkyousa.com/Downloads/firmware.php?source=globalnav) there is no such model.
Edited by ascanio1 - 2/7/14 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post

Nice, I'll buy 2 and see if they fit! I hope that they will fit... I really hope that this will work. This does not change the absurd fact that Oppo advertises the 103 as a media player! It is not an HDMI compliant media player!

Thanks for the advice, I'll be back on thursday and I'll buy them and test them. I appreciate the advice!
You are making an assumption before eliminating all possibilities since the rest of us are having no issues similar to yours. Handshake issues do not mean that the Oppo is out of compliance. Oppo does not write their own HDMI code. It is hardcoded on the chipset. They only write the player firmware. There are just too many variables. We are still waiting for a few answers. 1. Is your firmware on the Onkyo 805 up to date? 2. How long is your HDMI run from your receiver to your projector? 3. Is your AppleTV frimware up to date?

S~
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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post

@mongo171 and teachsac
When Oppo wrote to me that it was my Onkyo which was causing the problem I called a technician from a shop that also sells Onkyo. He came and tested the device. I'm not sure if he updated the firmware (can you do this?) but he found that the Onkyo was working and wrote a report where he said that the Oppo 103 was not working as it should under HDMI standards. So I exclude that it's the Onkyo.

That "technician" is 100% absolutely full of hooey!
post #14814 of 16359
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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post

Can you link me to the fw update source link, please? http://www.onkyousa.com/Downloads/firmware.php?source=globalnav I cannot find it.
Onkyo does not post the firmware for that model. However, there is a firmware thread in the receiver section (you'll have to search) where it has been uploaded for users to download and update on their own. It can be tricky. Read the thread and directions very carefully.

S~
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Originally Posted by ascanio1 View Post

As I wrote in my long reply (please read all of it) I passed the HDMI cable in the wall as the devices are in another room.
There is an effective length limit to passive HDMI cables, as a function of the width of the cable itself. This can be seen for example on the Monoprice cable site, where their AWG28 cables only go up to 10 ft., AWG24 cables only go up to 15 ft., and AWG22 high-speed cables only go up to 25 ft.

Trying to use a random HDMI cable over long distances when it's not rated for that distance is NOT a good idea and could certainly explain misbehavior of HDMI handshakes and anomalous device performance.

That's really what Redmere "active" cables are good for, in addition to their thinner size than "passive" cables. Not only are they thinner but they support much longer lengths through those thinner cables, e.g. 50-60 ft.

Don't forget that due to the "active" chip in the cable, the Redmere cables are directional. So there is a "source" end and a "target" end.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

There are lots of HDMI switches that can be controlled with your Harmony remote, some of which are at very reasonable price points. For what I hope are obvious reasons, I would suggest sourcing one locally and make sure it can be returned if it doesn't work out as adding another gizmo in the HDMI chain could potentially cause other issues. Someone else suggested running a pair of HDMI cables with Redmere technology through your conduit - that strikes me as a pretty reasonable solution too.
Can you please point me in the right direction? I am not familiar with switches... I am learning all this now...
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

That was a long post with a ton of repetitive answers in it - there's no need to reply to each individual post when suggestions were basically the same. Your bound to get more useful help by keeping posts brief.
Sorry, I was just trying to be polite and show respect for the time that each one of you is putting into this for me and to reply to some who did not find my post sufficiently documented. I'll try to be more concise.
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Is there a way to get the player to power up in a different input other than Blu Ray Mode. I would like it to power up the default input to my Direct TV feed to make it more family friendly. BTW i love it!!!! Blu Ray picture is far superior over the PS3!!!
post #14818 of 16359
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

You are making an assumption before eliminating all possibilities...
What?????? Read my post! Did you read how many test and solutions I tried? New cables, bringing the player to another home to test it in another system, swapping it with other players...
Besides Oppo recognized that their 103 device has a design flaw and recognized that they need to fix this! Read the correspondence with Oppo. I do not understand how you can say that I make assumptions when I made every possible test. It is you, who is making assumptions, based on the fact that Oppo works with other devices.

But the fact that Oppo units work with many other user's devices and AVRs does not mean that Oppo is perfect nor that it must be my AVR which is at fault. That's an assumption! Not mine.
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Handshake issues do not mean that the Oppo is out of compliance.
Yes it does! That's the whole point of creating an industry standard! To avoid incompatibilities!
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Oppo does not write their own HDMI code. It is hardcoded on the chipset.
Very well. Change the chipset. Do you think that I care what's inside? I pay for a working device and I expect Oppo to design it in such a way that they use the right chip!
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

1. Is your firmware on the Onkyo 805 up to date? 2. How long is your HDMI run from your receiver to your projector? 3. Is your AppleTV frimware up to date?
1. A technician examined the device with instruments in front of me. He also inserted the HDMI into a box with a display. I'm no technician and so I rely on his exam. In any case I'm going to try to do a firmware update but this is:
A) Unecessary if Oppo did their research right as other players work with this firmware.
B) Dangerous as I read that I can brick the AVR - in which case will Oppo refund me? I can prove that my Onkyo is working. Oppo cannot prove that their unit is working.
2. About 2.5 meters
3. Yes. I updated it recently.
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Originally Posted by tyler webb View Post

Is there a way to get the player to power up in a different input other than Blu Ray Mode. I would like it to power up the default input to my Direct TV feed to make it more family friendly. BTW i love it!!!! Blu Ray picture is far superior over the PS3!!!

You can set it to power up to the last input you used, I believe the two options are "bluray" and "last input". Afraid I'm not at home to see which menu that is under.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX View Post

That "technician" is 100% absolutely full of hooey!
Is this a fact or an assumption? Do you know the technician?
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