Official OPPO BDP-103 Owner's Thread - Page 6

Im not disputing that, its called HDCP and its common. The issue is, plenty of other devices handle that handshake OK. Something about the Directv DVR and Oppo arent getting along, its got nothing to do with premium channels and their policy, and its not something that should be an issue. Also, this DVR has handshake problems with AVR's too, and its documented. I think its a more Directv Hardware issue, than an HBO/Oppo issue, but I could be wrong.

Just has to be worked out, and hopefully Oppo can.

I agree 100%. I just went through a complete rewire of my house a few years ago. With the structured media I added it cost me about 10 thousand for everything. I did the work myself.

Don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel.

Seriously, the thing the boggles my mind is that it is still very early days yet. I imagine we're going to be discovering things you can do with this gadget for months to come. And that's with only the first, public firmware. And heck, The Monster isn't even out there yet!
--Bob

Clever people are CLEVER!

I don't know about production time on the Cups but for this you certainly get to clean the erasers.
--Bob

Does this mean I can hook up a USB drive to the 103 and use my laptop running Windows/WMP or an app on a smart device to control/select songs without having to turn on the TV? Or is it in these cases the music is being streamed from the computer or smart device to the 103?

My appologies if I'm completely misunderstanding these posts as my computer knowledge is lacking.

gsr,
Good to hear this. However, I guess this does not bypass cinavia I presume?

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It's actually pretty simple. TV set top boxes don't enforce copy protection by default. That's because so many people are still using them with Component video cables. But individual channels have the option to force copy protection. And the channels giving the problems here are doing that.

Now, the HDMI Inputs of the 103 are perfectly prepared to handle copy protection handshakes. You can, for example, connect another Blu-ray player into the HDMI Input of the 103 and play a Blu-ray disc, which is about as strict as copy protection can get. I've done it. It works.

So there's something about the handshake these DirecTV boxes are doing that's giving the 103 fits. No big surprise. It is probably a screw up in the DirecTV. If I had to guess, the HDMI HDCP code in the DirecTV is not prepared to work through a device that can fan out the input into 2 outputs like the103 can do. Just a guess, but I like it. Anyway, since forcing a new handshake fixes it (i.e., switch the OPPO 103 Input back to Blu-ray player and then back to the HDMI Input), this is fixable. I.e., force a handshake reset instead of accepting "No!" for an answer.

This is the sort of farfegnugen AVRs have to do ALL THE TIME to correct for sloppy HDMI implementations in Source devices.

(And people wonder why AVRs cost so much....)
--Bob

I have HBO/Cinemax, Showtime/The Movie Channel, and Starz/Encore and I just looked through the diagnostics of my cable box and cablecard tv to see if any of them are using Copy Control Information (CCI) and the answer is no. Likely a HDMI handshake issue with the Direct TV box and the OPPO. The CCI should have no effect on the use of HDMI as it is for dealing with the copying of high definition content.

Just wanted to add that the CCI Byte on all premium channels is 0x00 which is copy freely.

You're ineligible.

But clever. How's that working out for you?

-Bill

Would a reasonable workaround be to run the DirectTV DVR on component and digital/coaxial audio out to an AVR, set the processing of that source to passthough or native mode, and then connect the AVR via HDMI to the HDMI input of the Oppo? Or are there other DRM issues that cripple component from the DVR?

I've got a TiVo Series 3, and that's how I'm planning to use it with a 103 as a master video processor, if I get the new Oppo.

I'd also be curious how the new QDEO does with upscaling and de-interlacing in the 103 vs. implementations in some AVRs, or Denon's ABT 2010/2015 (my Denon 4311 has the ABT).
Edited by sdrucker - 10/4/12 at 6:49pm

Digital Media Controller / Digital Media Renderer stuff means content is coming from someplace else and being "pushed" over the network to the OPPO -- which then plays it. This is as opposed to using the user interface built into the OPPO to go out on the network looking for stuff and "pulling" that into the OPPO to play. There's no way for a Digital Media Controller to access content on hard drives directly attached to the OPPO. Only the OPPO's built in user interface can access those drives.
--Bob

That's a lot of work to workaround a bug that will probably be fixed fairly quickly by OPPO.
--Bob

It wouldn't surprise me to learn DirecTV is handling that flag differently. This is tied up with a bunch of stuff such as play-anywhere schemes.
--Bob

Excuse a moment of simple curiosity, but is there anyone out there actually playing shiny discs on one of these puppies?
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/5/12 at 3:38am

Thanks for the clarification.

So it wouldn't be any/much different than what I already have; playing music from my laptop computer wirelessly through my Logitech Squeezebox Touch. On hi rez music files quality suffers when streaming wirelessly hence my interest in using a USB drive wired directly to the playback device. The Touch does have a USB connection, but its so poorly implemented as to be pretty much useless.

Is there a chance Oppo will come out with an app that will do what I want?

For the OP, yes. For me....I've had handshake issues with the TiVo HDMI and both a Panny G15 and Pioneer TV and AVRs, before the 4311, so I tend to go the conservative route there.

Besides, I like using the AVR as the switcher where possible.

At least I'm not going to ask for a component in on the Oppo anticipation thread:)

Bob you just made think of another possibility. The retransmission contract Direct TV has with Time Warner may require the use of CCI in their DVRs. My cable company, Service Electric, has a master agreement with Time Warner for HBO/Cinemax as they were the first cable company in the US to start carrying them around 1974. There should be some type of diagnostics menu in the Direct TV DVR that will show what the CCI Byte is. Here is a link to the CCI information and hex values:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_Control_Information

I got mine in the other day and have been playing around with it a little. I watched a couple MKVs from a USB drive and a few minutes of a blu-ray disc as well. When running the MKVs one thing I noticed is the first 3-4 seconds there was no sounds then it started playing and everything was fine. On the blu-ray disc I encountered a similar issue, but this time the video was black and the sound started, and the video began playing 2-3 seconds later. I have an HDMI cable running straight to my JVC RS45 projector and the analog audio outputs hooked up to my receiver. Has anyone else encountered an issue similar? It's not really a big deal but would be nice if I can fix it.

Yepp...

Both Dish and Directv are now subject to this with regards to the Premium channels. Im surprised the cable co is not.

Anyway, not to get too far off topic. I like Bob's fix, jiggle the shake when it see's "NO" lol.


Edit:

Here is on article on "Directv's" fault

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-04/directv-blocks-hbo-over-hdmi-without-hdcp/

Bob,

That would be me . As I read through this thread the discussion of streaming with all the computer "lingo" goes way over my head. I have fed my 103 a steady diet of SACDs and DVD-As for two days. I'm loving the 103 and have yet to setup the wireless connection. I hope I can figure it out .

Bill

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/04/copy-protection-means-some-directv-subs-will-need-new-gear-to-watch-hbo/

And another. I had forgotten about all of this.

Good thing is, Oppo knows whats up now, so I imagine we can see a fix soon, for the time being the input cycle workaround is not a big deal.

Heheh....same here! Although I'm slowwwwwwwly learning.

Actually, Windows lets you do the same thing if you know the secret incantation:

Mount your ISO, note the drive letter assigned by Windows.

To mount a drive
Click to open Computer Management.

On the left, under Storage, click Disk Management.

Right-click the drive that you want to mount, and then click Change Drive Letter and Paths.

Click Add, click Mount in the following empty NTFS folder, and then either type the path to an empty folder on an NTFS drive or click Browse to locate it. Click OK, and then click OK again.

The Oppo will now play that folder just like any BDMV folder via SMB.

Drat, I was really looking forward to my prize . I only ran a relatively quick test with a single Blu-ray ISO, but I was able to fast forward at max speed, skip chapters, and play a few minutes here and there with absolutely no issues. Performance of all of this seemed to be just as good as if I had put the original disc in the tray. I've only ripped 1 Blu-ray to ISO at this point as I've been debating about exactly what approach to take, so I can't do a lot of testing to see how the mounting solution works with a bunch of ISO's, but the initial result appears to be promising.
No, I wouldn't expect this to bypass Cinavia. We can't have it all, unfortunately.

But why did I NOT have this hum when the 93 was there. All I done was swith from the 93 to the 103.

Is anyone using a Darby Darblet with the 103? I get my 103 Tuesday and am hoping the Darblet works with the 103 as it did with my 93 that i just sold.

I am...I'm reviewing it for an upcoming issue and have a deadline for my copy in a week

I originally posted this:

"Well one of the reasons I got the 103 is because you can upscale a Directv feed from 720/1080i to 1080p for viewing by running the directv via hdmi directly to the 103 hdmi input and then out to the TV. (Cant do this with the 93 I have heard). I did not realize that you could not upscale an HBO show for example, even though it is not broadcast in 1080p to begin with and this does not involve an issue of copying anything. I am simply trying to take advantage of the 103's ability to upscale for viewing."

I got the followinig statement from you response:

"My HR34 is running into the HDMI IN back, set on native output. The Oppo is passing all my stuff, scaled to the tv at 1080p/60hz."

To re-explain the issue to you, I was unable to view a video feed from my HR34 via the Oppo based on a stated content protection issue, when I attempted to view HBO/premium movie channels, on the basis I was using an HDMI cord and the statement from Directv was that the problem would be relieved if I used component video outs instead of an HDMI cable.

See earlier postings on this issue received from several posters.

My question to you is what do you mean the HDMI In back, set on "native" output, and where do you check to see that the Oppo is passing video at 1080p/60hz? Thanks for the additional information.