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post #211 of 16445
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Those other products are either unlicensed or have different licenses than allowed for Blu-ray players. When Sony, Samsung, Panasonic etc start offering BR players with ISO support then you can complain to OPPO for not keeping up.
We went over and over this earlier in the year with the ISO on the -93 fiasco.
-Bill

I am not complaining, but just hoping for future support and change in the way physical music and movie discs are sold. I am hoping for the ability to play lossless media that I paid for without having to put in a spinning disc. But because we all know that HDD fail, I would still like having the physical media in storage.
post #212 of 16445
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Originally Posted by quattroatl View Post

The reality is that we are moving towards a media-less future. If hardware companies like Dune, Popcorn, and WD Live can sell streaming boxes capable of playing iso's, then I don't see why Oppo cannot fully support it as well. We buy computer software everyday and install the disc on our platform. We then store the disc away. The same concept should apply to music and movies IMHO.

A laudable ambition, but not something the people in the Blu-ray Disc Association care to hear. They're the one's over in the corner with their hands clamped over their ears, screaming "NA! NA! NA! CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

The wonders of technology licensing. When you invent a disc format to replace Blu-ray, be sure you do a better job of licensing it, OK?
--Bob
post #213 of 16445
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

A laudable ambition, but not something the people in the Blu-ray Disc Association care to hear. They're the one's over in the corner with their hands clamped over their ears, screaming "NA! NA! NA! CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
The wonders of technology licensing. When you invent a disc format to replace Blu-ray, be sure you do a better job of licensing it, OK?
--Bob

I'm just thinking and sharing out loud. I don't profess to know better or know all the answers. People don't buy Oppo players just for the hardware specs alone of better picture or analog sound. I would guess that the vast majority make the purchase based on the "universal" capability of the player in being able to play dvd-a, sacd, dvd-a copies, sacd-r , universal region mods, and the network streaming abilities. Otherwise, the buyer would just go for a cheaper alternative of brand-X player.
post #214 of 16445
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

I am. I have a brief magenta screen when I first turn the 103 on which lasts about 2 seconds and nothing after. the 103 goes into my 5507 which is connected to the Darblet then out to my display. It works just fine. Every disc I've played looks great, maybe with a touch more clarity than when I had it hooked up to my 83. It's set to HD 55. I may try switching the pre/pro on first then the 103 to see if the magenta flash stops. Either way, it's no biggie since everything looks top notch.


Ive seen the magenta tinted screen once on startup. It was during the Oppo splash screen, before the player went to the home screen. Once it had another handshake and went to the home screen, the magenta went away, but in numerous power ups Ive only seen it once. HDMI 1 is direct connected to panasonic plasma and HDMI 2 is direct connected to AVR.
post #215 of 16445
bdp-103 should arrive today, replacing a sony player....
will use the hdmi out to my integra/sunfire/jvc projector system...
lame questions.....i currently play flac files off a networked drive thru a wd live hub..
i am assuming that after connecting the oppo to the network (hard line or wireless) that i will be able to play these files... (hopefully with better sound quality...
thanks in advance
gm
post #216 of 16445
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I've read some folks here using a Darbee video processor with the BDP-103 playing BD's. Why would  anyone want to artificially enhance images from the 93/95/103? It might be visually appealing but unfaithful to the original ...

-David

Why would anyone add an after market exhaust? cold air intake? flash program? new rims? or anything to a car they bought? is this unfaithful to the original? why artificially enhance their car?

Why allow cms controls? is your color correctness the same as mine? Why change the brightness levels? Why allow us any control over our displays?

Why drink scotch???? Vodka? Beer? red wine? or not even drink at all?

Why do I like the movie 'Safe" when most do not? Why do I feel 'Requiem for a Dream' is one of the top worst movies I ever watched and some think it's a cinematic jewel?

hmmmm I don't know, maybe...personal preference?

Do you go for a flat frequency response as well? guess what... I much prefer a house curve.
post #217 of 16445
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Originally Posted by Welles1941 View Post

Right. I posted this already and reported back that everything worked (previews, menus, etc.), but the movie didn't play. I had another disc image that worked fine though, so maybe there was just something wrong with the first one I tried.
BTW, creating a Junction as BobearQSI suggested gave me the same result, so that may be an alternative.

OK, I tested that same disc as a BDMV folder via attached storage and it exhibited the same issue, so it has nothing to do with SMB.
post #218 of 16445
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Originally Posted by gmnhra View Post

bdp-103 should arrive today, replacing a sony player....
will use the hdmi out to my integra/sunfire/jvc projector system...
lame questions.....i currently play flac files off a networked drive thru a wd live hub..
i am assuming that after connecting the oppo to the network (hard line or wireless) that i will be able to play these files... (hopefully with better sound quality...
thanks in advance
gm

The player can find and play networked files served up by a DLNA server, or you can log into an SMB capable device and see them as a networked drive. If your hub can handle either of those then you should be good to go.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/5/12 at 9:05am
post #219 of 16445

My gosh ...Bob is nearing 22,000 posts!!! It wasn't long ago that he almost broke AVS with his 20,000 post countsmile.gif!

post #220 of 16445
Tried streaming .wtv files last night. There would be a blip of video then nothing. Couldn't get them to play on the PS3 either. They play fine in Media Center on the computer they were recorded, but something is up with them as I can't even get them to convert to anything.
post #221 of 16445
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

Don't know if there are enough owners yet to comment on this, but does anyone have thoughts on how the SD upscaling in the 103
compares to the old 983, which I still consider the best up-scaling DVD player?

I know the consensus is the 103 beats the BDP-93, but I never thought the 93 was as good as the 983 or even the BDP-83 with SD DVDs.

I love foreign, indie and off-beat films, which means a lot of what I own simply isn't available in blu-ray.

So, I've been using my 93 for blu-ray, and my trusted 983 for DVDs. But I would love to combine both
in one machine, and my 983 may be nearing the end of it's life (transport system seems to be going, etc.)

By chance does anyone have comparison thoughts or experience?

Thanks!

The 983H has always been my favorite DVD player, too.

I haven't had time to sit down with serious A/B comparison of the two players, but I am finding the DVD image on the -103 to be very, very pleasing. Strangely enough that applies to both the HDM1 & 2 outputs, which would be with and without QDEO processing. So a rigorous test would actually be a 3-way comparison.

I preferred the 983 to -93, but with the -103 the differences will be harder to see.

-Bill

I still prefer the ABT processing in the BDP-83 and DV-983 to either the BDP-93 or BDP-103 Qdeo. ABT is sharper with more detail, but there's a trade-off of a bit more mosquito noise. I think the Qdeo is applying too much noise reduction when scaling. Just my own preference.

I also tend to prefer the image from HDMI-2 on the 103 when scaling DVD, but this sometimes depends on the content. YMMV
Edited by rdgrimes - 10/5/12 at 10:15am
post #222 of 16445
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Originally Posted by quattroatl View Post

I'm just thinking and sharing out loud. I don't profess to know better or know all the answers. People don't buy Oppo players just for the hardware specs alone of better picture or analog sound. I would guess that the vast majority make the purchase based on the "universal" capability of the player in being able to play dvd-a, sacd, dvd-a copies, sacd-r , universal region mods, and the network streaming abilities. Otherwise, the buyer would just go for a cheaper alternative of brand-X player.

It's a good question, but the fact remains that Oppo has no control over this.

The Blu-ray Disc Association stands in the door preventing anyone that delivers a Bluray player from including the ability to play ISOs on anything other than a shiny disc. Those other streaming boxes can do whatever they want because they are not bluray players and therefore do not have to answer to the Association. Oppo briefly offered that capability on the 93/95, then I'm sure earned the ire of the Association to the point that they were forced to shut that capability down.

So the Oppo players are universal as far as they are able to be. With the new players, if you need ISO playback with an Oppo's processing, take a streaming box and feed its output into the back of the Oppo.
post #223 of 16445
Another file format the 103 plays fine and the 93 doesn't: WMA PRO. I downloaded few videos from this site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/shaun.zoe/projects/hdtv.htm and they are all WMV HD. Picture and audio are excellent and can be used as a demo for your friends. The 103 plays them flawlessly but the 93 can't play the audio.
post #224 of 16445
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Another file format the 103 plays fine and the 93 doesn't: WMA PRO. I downloaded few videos from this site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/shaun.zoe/projects/hdtv.htm and they are all WMV HD. Picture and audio are excellent and can be used as a demo for your friends. The 103 plays them flawlessly but the 93 can't play the audio.

Hmm. I don't think that is supposed to work. In my testing it crashed the player, which is a bug. Should just put up a message.

I'll fetch some from your link and add them to my test suite.

-Bill
post #225 of 16445
Another new topic for the FAQ: Is the player a Digital Media Renderer?

On this I only know what I read. I'll add any tips or gotchas posted here or mailed to me.

-Bill
post #226 of 16445
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Excuse a moment of simple curiosity, but is there anyone out there actually playing shiny discs on one of these puppies?
--Bob

[/gush]

Yes! All I can say is WOW!!! Probably not a fair comparison but I am upgrading from a Samsung BD-C5500 and it's like I also upgraded my TV and AVR, video and audio is %1000 improved, win all around! Briefly tried both Blu-ray and DVD.

I've got the 103 hooked up to my home automation system and with a few minor driver tweaks (on the HA driver) will have control of my Oppo.. :-)

Love the speed of this unit, love the 5 disc memory, remembers the stopping point on the last 5 discs placed in the player. Network setup was the easiest I've experienced on a consumer AV product; I'm hardwired with static IP and all I had to do was swtich from DHCP to static, the Oppo had already filled in the fields, I just needed to change the final octet to the address of my choice, cool!

Netflix and Vudu setup was completely painless and easy

Tried the Android remote app, works. Don't like that you can't turn the player on (going to try again in "fast boot" mode since more of the unit is powered up to see if the network is active in that state)

The old adage, you get what you pay for (Samsung BD-C5500), in this case IMHO, you are getting way more than you pay for and what a difference. The packaging weighs more than my old Samsung unit. The feel of the Oppo and the remote are first rate, very substantial. The remote is easy to use. Bob commented somewhere earlier in one of the threads about the manual, the manual is not only first rate in how it is written but the quality of the printing and the paper it is printed on is also high quality.

That's is far as I got yesterday evening, more coming...

Thanks to Bob and all of the other beta testers that shared info in the Anticipation thread, it convinced me to drop the coin on the unit as soon as it was available!

[/end gush]

-Ben
Edited by batwater - 10/5/12 at 11:06am
post #227 of 16445
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Hmm. I don't think that is supposed to work. In my testing it crashed the player, which is a bug. Should just put up a message.
I'll fetch some from your link and add them to my test suite.
-Bill

I downloaded few more videos from that site, all played fine using both DLNA or SMB from Mybook Live server. With the 93 I get a msg about no support for the audio but all is good with the 103.I only downloaded 1080P versions. The Magic of flight is a wonderful video.
post #228 of 16445
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post


I downloaded few more videos from that site, all played fine using both DLNA or SMB from Mybook Live server. With the 93 I get a msg about no support for the audio but all is good with the 103.I only downloaded 1080P versions. The Magic of flight is a wonderful video.

Confirmed that this plays, the Oppo indicated WMA 5.1 48KHz and WMV3. (The source is 1440x1080).
post #229 of 16445
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Both Dish and Directv are now subject to this with regards to the Premium channels. Im surprised the cable co is not.
Anyway, not to get too far off topic. I like Bob's fix, jiggle the shake when it see's "NO" lol.
Edit:
Here is on article on "Directv's" fault
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-04/directv-blocks-hbo-over-hdmi-without-hdcp/

Reading through some of the articles, I am thinking that this is an issue with Direct TV's hardware/software and the handling of HDCP. Ths problem is Direct TV's and not OPPOs so Direct TV is going to have to fix it, unless some 103 owners with cable boxes have the issue but none have been reported so far.

I apologize for taking so long to post but I only have access to AVS when I am on my home computer. I do not have any mobile devices and can only post when time allows, which is very limited.
post #230 of 16445
Got a little hands-on time today.
(coming from 93) It is speedier. smile.gif
The remote is improved. I can point it anywhere & it works; also it's a bit lighter and the buttons are not so stiff feeling.
I like the new media browser so far. The thumbnail view for pictures is really useful now.
Gracenote music info does not work with flac, I guess. Not a problem if you're tagged properly already.
I don't know if this is a new feature, but I had it in Pure Audio mode to blank out the plasma display, and I hit info and the screen comes on briefly to the now playing screen so you can see the artist/song info. I don't remember it doing that on the 93.
I will be spinning one of those old-fashioned disc things later with a DVD, so I will see if I notice any improvements in the upscaling.
post #231 of 16445
Oppo tech support says that Oppo is in continuing negotiations with other internet sources regarding future internet apps that might become available on the BDP-103 in the future, but until that day arrives, what is the best way to access HBO GO and all of the HBO content that is unavailable on Netflix and VUDU while taking advantage of the beautiful upscaling of the BDP-103 player?
post #232 of 16445
I found a bug that I'm able to reproduce fairly easily. I was playing a shiny disk (Netflix Doomsday DVD) when I saw a sign flash by I wanted to read. So I navigated back to it, But when I restarted the movie, video resumed, but audio took a couple of seconds to come on. i never saw this on the -93 with all of the back-and-forthing I have done. The sequence is:

[movie playing]
Pause
Back slowly 1/16, 1/8, etc
Pause
Forward slowly (without this step, the audio bug doesn't occur)
Pause
Pause (On my Harmony, the second Pause resumes the movie)[Audio takes ~2 seconds to resume]

After confirming the sequence, I paused the -103 to write this down. Then it took a short while to resume after just that pause. I didn't confirm whether this bit was reproducible. I had a shiny disk to finish.

I'll post this to Oppo. But I thought others might want to see if I'm imagining things.
post #233 of 16445
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Originally Posted by RJMc View Post

Oppo tech support says that Oppo is in continuing negotiations with other internet sources regarding future internet apps that might become available on the BDP-103 in the future, but until that day arrives, what is the best way to access HBO GO and all of the HBO content that is unavailable on Netflix and VUDU while taking advantage of the beautiful upscaling of the BDP-103 player?

I don't know specifically about HBO GO, but the Roku Streaming Stick is supposedly coming out this month and will add access to lots of different Internet services. It plugs into the Front HDMI Input and is controlled using the player's own remote. It has its own Wifi, independent of the networking of the OPPO. So you will need a Wifi setup to use it.

If you have another way to access the HBO content, try feeding the result of that into the Front or Rear HDMI Input.
--Bob
post #234 of 16445
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Stealing liberally from the discussion here, I have added a new FAQ topic: How do you play Blu-ray ISO files over SMB?
-Bill

You may want to add to the FAQ that on Windows creating a directory junction also works. For example:
Code:
mklink /j vdrive g:

Where "vdrive" is the name of the link you want to create and "g:" is the virtual drive. I find this quicker and easier to do, but since you only have to do it once, I guess it really doesn't matter.
post #235 of 16445
A second bug. I started to play a Netflix Splice DVD. Went through all of the previews. At the disk menu I hit play. The -103 froze at 17 seconds of play. Play and stop didn't work. Eject didn't work. Power off took 3-4 tries at the front panel button. Power on resulted in an eject cycle. When I closed the tray, the -103 did not resume; it acted as though seeing the disk for the first time. The second time, the movie played fine.

~Ken
post #236 of 16445
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post
Reading through some of the articles, I am thinking that this is an issue with Direct TV's hardware/software and the handling of HDCP. Ths problem is Direct TV's and not OPPOs so Direct TV is going to have to fix it, unless some 103 owners with cable boxes have the issue but none have been reported so far.

 

Here's the way it worked when I was a firmware programmer. DirecTV is the 800lb gorilla. DirecTV's equipment "just works" in other setups. Oppo is the newcomer. Therefore, it's Oppo's problem; it doesn't matter whose fault it is.

post #237 of 16445
Had a bug using the thumbnail/folder photo viewer with USB attached drive. I was viewing photos, hit return to go back to thumbnail/folder view, hit the up arrow folder icon, and it ejected the tray! Hitting it again closed the tray. It has worked fine since, and I can not reproduce the error.
post #238 of 16445
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

The -103 froze at 17 seconds of play. Play and stop didn't work. Eject didn't work. Power off took 3-4 tries at the front panel button. Power on resulted in an eject cycle. When I closed the tray, the -103 did not resume; it acted as though seeing the disk for the first time. The second time, the movie played fine.
~Ken

The player will forget any changes that were made in a power cycle where the player freezes. This includes breakpoints for disc resume. This is normal.
post #239 of 16445
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Manic_D View Post

Had a bug using the thumbnail/folder photo viewer with USB attached drive. I was viewing photos, hit return to go back to thumbnail/folder view, hit the up arrow folder icon, and it ejected the tray! Hitting it again closed the tray. It has worked fine since, and I can not reproduce the error.

It is possible that your player was recognizing a double ENTER command. I know the player will eject the tray if you try to access a file which has not been indexed properly.

For example, when you are using the Icon (Thumbnail) View with a large drive which is indexing, and you press the ENTER button on a space which shows no icons other than the browser cursor, the tray will eject and the player will go back to the OPPO logo.
post #240 of 16445
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I don't know specifically about HBO GO, but the Roku Streaming Stick is supposedly coming out this month and will add access to lots of different Internet services. It plugs into the Front HDMI Input and is controlled using the player's own remote. It has its own Wifi, independent of the networking of the OPPO. So you will need a Wifi setup to use it.
If you have another way to access the HBO content, try feeding the result of that into the Front or Rear HDMI Input.
--Bob

Just keep in mind that HBO GO must be authorized by the provider forf each specific device. Directv, for example, authorizes for the Ipad an Sansung deviçes but not for the Roku. Unless this policy changes, the Roku stick will not work with HBO GO if the provider is Directv as far as I know, it should work with Dish and some cable providers.
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