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post #2401 of 16402
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Here is strange thing when I turn on the 103:

When I turn on the 103 where you see all the icons such as Netflix, Vudu, etc., the screen is really fuzzy or snowy image. It looks like you are watching a tv but you are not getting any reception. I can barely see all the icon images.


However, when I change the Resolution from AUTO to 1080i, it fixed the problem and the screen is clean with no snow picture. My DLP projector is a 1080p resolution so I don't understand why the 103 does not like either the AUTO or the 1080p selection.

AUTO uses whatever output format the next device in the HDMI chain reports as its "preferred" form of input. Evidently your TV or AVR (whichever is cabled from the OPPO) is publishing something that isn't working.

Just set the OPPO to an explicit resolution and you'll be good to go.

Another possibility here is that your TV is asking for 1080p -- perhaps with added Deep Color bandwidth -- and your HDMI cable is not able to handle it. "Sparklies" in the video is a classic sign of bit drop out due to cable problems. Start by setting Deep Color OFF with 1080i. Then try 1080p. Then try turning on Deep Color (still with 1080p). If the video problem appears, and you know the TV should be able to accept that, then you need to see to your cabling. Check your TV manual for what it should be able to accept.

HDMI is an end to end protocol, so any HDMI cable between the OPPO and the TV could be the problem. If you have any adapters, wall plates, HDMI switches, HDMI gizmos, or daisy-chained HDMI cables in the path, that alone could be the problem.
--Bob
post #2402 of 16402
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Anthem does not have 103. I don't understand why this is Anthem issue if the 83se,95, Panny 500 work fine.

Because the same errors are not occurring on the Anthem D2v (Bob) or Anthem AVM50v (OPPO). So it is not accurate to say it is an OPPO only issue. Compatibility issues are a two way street, and Anthem in this case is the best street to go down at the moment since they have your receiver and can request the BDP-103 for testing.
post #2403 of 16402
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Originally Posted by danieljoseph View Post

Whilst Oppo has been on the ball with this new beta firmware, they have not addressed the major problem of lip sync with some AVRs. This should be their top priority IMO

It's a work in progress -- lots of combinations being worked through. See my notes above on the 1114B firmware.
--Bob
post #2404 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

AUTO uses whatever output format the next device in the HDMI chain reports as its "preferred" form of input. Evidently your TV or AVR (whichever is cabled from the OPPO) is publishing something that isn't working.
Just set the OPPO to an explicit resolution and you'll be good to go.
Another possibility here is that your TV is asking for 1080p -- perhaps with added Deep Color bandwidth -- and your HDMI cable is not able to handle it. "Sparklies" in the video is a classic sign of bit drop out due to cable problems. Start by setting Deep Color OFF with 1080i. Then try 1080p. Then try turning on Deep Color (still with 1080p). If the video problem appears, and you know the TV should be able to accept that, then you need to see to your cabling. Check your TV manual for what it should be able to accept.
HDMI is an end to end protocol, so any HDMI cable between the OPPO and the TV could be the problem. If you have any adapters, wall plates, HDMI switches, HDMI gizmos, or daisy-chained HDMI cables in the path, that alone could be the problem.
--Bob


Thanks Bob!

I will give it a try in a little while and will let you know.
post #2405 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

AUTO uses whatever output format the next device in the HDMI chain reports as its "preferred" form of input. Evidently your TV or AVR (whichever is cabled from the OPPO) is publishing something that isn't working.
Just set the OPPO to an explicit resolution and you'll be good to go.
Another possibility here is that your TV is asking for 1080p -- perhaps with added Deep Color bandwidth -- and your HDMI cable is not able to handle it. "Sparklies" in the video is a classic sign of bit drop out due to cable problems. Start by setting Deep Color OFF with 1080i. Then try 1080p. Then try turning on Deep Color (still with 1080p). If the video problem appears, and you know the TV should be able to accept that, then you need to see to your cabling. Check your TV manual for what it should be able to accept.
HDMI is an end to end protocol, so any HDMI cable between the OPPO and the TV could be the problem. If you have any adapters, wall plates, HDMI switches, HDMI gizmos, or daisy-chained HDMI cables in the path, that alone could be the problem.
--Bob


Alright, I tried with what you said and it did not work. The problem I think is probably the 35 Feet HDMI cable that I am using to connect the DLP projector. I am using the Optoma DX339 with the 120 inch screen. I am using HDMI 1 to the DLP projector and HDMI 2 to the receiver for audio.

Here is the thing, I took the 103 and connect it to the 55 inch LCD tv using 1080p and it is just fine. So there is nothing wrong with the 103. I will have to buy a different 35 Feet HDMI cable and see if it is really the HDMI cable. For now, I will just set the Resolution to 1080i until I get a new HDMI cable.

I might also call Optoma and see if they have any suggestion. I just bought this projector a few weeks ago. So it is not like the projector is getting old and outdated.
post #2406 of 16402
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Alright, I tried with what you said and it did not work. The problem I think is probably the 35 Feet HDMI cable that I am using to connect the DLP projector. I am using the Optoma DX339 with the 120 inch screen. I am using HDMI 1 to the DLP projector and HDMI 2 to the receiver for audio.

Here is the thing, I took the 103 and connect it to the 55 inch LCD tv using 1080p and it is just fine. So there is nothing wrong with the 103. I will have to buy a different 35 Feet HDMI cable and see if it is really the HDMI cable. For now, I will just set the Resolution to 1080i until I get a new HDMI cable.

I might also call Optoma and see if they have any suggestion. I just bought this projector a few weeks ago. So it is not like the projector is getting old and outdated.

Yes, that sounds correct.

Blue Jeans Cable (an AVS Forum sponsor) sells two types of "best" HDMI cable -- one of which is specific for longer cable runs as to projectors.

Also, if you have ANY adapters in that HDMI path to the projector -- for example, wall plates -- THAT may be the source of your problem.

Start by taking the OPPO over near the projector so that you can use the HDMI cable provided with the OPPO. Does that work with the projector? If so, then you've definitely confirmed the problem is in the original HDMI cabling.

Next, if you are using wall plates, try bypassing them -- i.e. a single, long cable run between the OPPO and the projector. If THAT works, then you know the problem is in your wall plates/adapters. This is a very common problem -- wall plates that can handle 1080i but not 1080p.
--Bob
post #2407 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes, that sounds correct.
Blue Jeans Cable (an AVS Forum sponsor) sells two types of "best" HDMI cable -- one of which is specific for longer cable runs as to projectors.
Also, if you have ANY adapters in that HDMI path to the projector -- for example, wall plates -- THAT may be the source of your problem.
Start by taking the OPPO over near the projector so that you can use the HDMI cable provided with the OPPO. Does that work with the projector? If so, then you've definitely confirmed the problem is in the original HDMI cabling.
Next, if you are using wall plates, try bypassing them -- i.e. a single, long cable run between the OPPO and the projector. If THAT works, then you know the problem is in your wall plates/adapters. This is a very common problem -- wall plates that can handle 1080i but not 1080p.
--Bob


No, I am not using an adapter. I will check out the Blue Jeans Cable.

Thanks Bob!
post #2408 of 16402
Checking around on-line, it looks like various 3rd party companies are already shipping, or about to ship, Blu-ray "Region Free" hardware mods designed for the 103 and 105.

Has anyone actually received one yet? Who from, and does it work?

Note that if you buy a Region Free player from a reseller, then they have opened up the player and installed somebody else's mod. If possible, see if you can find out whose mod they have used. (It won't be from OPPO -- OPPO can't sell Region Free players, or mods to make players Region Free after sale.)

Also, with the Beta firmware now available, you can check whether your new, modded player, accepts a firmware update without problems!

Dare I say it? There's a cookie available for the first definitive report!
--Bob
post #2409 of 16402
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Alright, I tried with what you said and it did not work. The problem I think is probably the 35 Feet HDMI cable that I am using to connect the DLP projector. I am using the Optoma DX339 with the 120 inch screen. I am using HDMI 1 to the DLP projector and HDMI 2 to the receiver for audio.
Here is the thing, I took the 103 and connect it to the 55 inch LCD tv using 1080p and it is just fine. So there is nothing wrong with the 103. I will have to buy a different 35 Feet HDMI cable and see if it is really the HDMI cable. For now, I will just set the Resolution to 1080i until I get a new HDMI cable.
I might also call Optoma and see if they have any suggestion. I just bought this projector a few weeks ago. So it is not like the projector is getting old and outdated.

If you haven't already, turn deep color off. That consumes more bandwidth on HDMI than resolution does.
post #2410 of 16402
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Originally Posted by mattr6 View Post

Question: I have an older Denon receiver and have my 103 connected via the 7.1 analog inputs. And the hdmi 1 output (through a Darbee to my projector) obviously without any lip sync issues or any issues at all really. My question is Santa may be bringing me a new Denon 3313ci and I am curious if I will be gaining an improvement in sound quality? Will the additional features of the newer Denon pair well with the 103 and be a big improvement over my current setup? Thanks!
I've recently gone from a Denon 3806 to the 3312ci and there is no difference in sound quality. The 3806 had an insignificant power advantage. The 3312ci is almost identical to the 3313ci and I've had no problems with out OPPO 93. You shouldn't have any problems with the 3313ci and the OPPO 103.

Enjoy.

Edit: I don't know your old Denon so the 3313ci might be better quality. I should have also mentioned that the version of Audyssey in the 3312ci and 3313ci is much better than any older versions. So if you take the time to run it correctly, you will get very good equalization for your room.
Edited by htwaits - 11/21/12 at 9:59pm
post #2411 of 16402
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Originally Posted by englechgc View Post

played around with the DVD/24 feature yesterday and found that it does produce smoother motion with compatible discs. as bob mentioned, the effect is easily demonstrated with rolling credits.1.gifI

 

Is it smoother to play a DVD/24 at 24p in the Oppo or allow it to be converted by the same Oppo to 60Hz? I'm trying to understand the attraction of the 24p feature.

post #2412 of 16402
One review says Oppo 103 can be it's own preamp (since it has a digital volume control). Did anyone try this? I tried it with my Oppo 93 NE since it has a digital volume control too. Connected directly to power amp and it worked, but there was some noise in speakers, audible during silence. Can I expect the same with the 103, or the real preamp, without noise?
I preffer mch analog output and use "pure direct" on my AVR. Preamp possibility is interesting to me because I could possibly replace my average AVR with 2 audiophile stereo power amps and 2 active speakers (for center and SW). Did anyone try something like that?
post #2413 of 16402
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post


Alright, I tried with what you said and it did not work. The problem I think is probably the 35 Feet HDMI cable that I am using to connect the DLP projector. I am using the Optoma DX339 with the 120 inch screen. I am using HDMI 1 to the DLP projector and HDMI 2 to the receiver for audio.
Here is the thing, I took the 103 and connect it to the 55 inch LCD tv using 1080p and it is just fine. So there is nothing wrong with the 103. I will have to buy a different 35 Feet HDMI cable and see if it is really the HDMI cable. For now, I will just set the Resolution to 1080i until I get a new HDMI cable.
I might also call Optoma and see if they have any suggestion. I just bought this projector a few weeks ago. So it is not like the projector is getting old and outdated.

 

For long distances up to 60ft at deep color and 1080p, i find using cables with built-in EQ  from Redmere like this one from Monoprice will help: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025501&p_id=9171&seq=1&format=2 .    I use the 50ft version and it solved my problems with sparklies and other ghosts i was having.

post #2414 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Is it smoother to play a DVD/24 at 24p in the Oppo or allow it to be converted by the same Oppo to 60Hz? I'm trying to understand the attraction of the 24p feature.

The goal is to avoid 3:2 pulldown judder which is inherent when converting 24hz sources to 60hz output.

Some people are sensitive to this type of jerkiness and so the benefit is real. Others (like me) don't notice it and it's elimination is not that important. Still others got to have it because everyone is talking about it.

We lived with 60hz only for decades and survived. It's an issue recently because 24hz sources and displays appeared. I think some displays may accentuate the effect more than others.

Try this as a test: pick a film-based Blu-ray with plenty of motion, anything authored at 23.976hz. Watch some scenes and switch the player between 1080p24 on and off. With OFF you'll get 60hz and pulldown judder. Can you see it? Does it give you migraines?

Obviously, disable any frame interpolation in the display for a fair test.

-Bill
post #2415 of 16402
Bill, go eat some turkey or dressing, quit working smile.gif
post #2416 of 16402
Is there a difference between using the 7.1 out vs. the HDMI?
In my case the OPPO has better processors than my AVR, so I want the OPPO to send processed audio (from the blu ray disk) to the AVR. I am not sure which is the better way to go.
thanks
post #2417 of 16402
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Originally Posted by zolta View Post

Is there a difference between using the 7.1 out vs. the HDMI?
In my case the OPPO has better processors than my AVR, so I want the OPPO to send processed audio (from the blu ray disk) to the AVR. I am not sure which is the better way to go.
thanks

Technically there should be no difference between the Oppo outputting PCM via HDMI and analog being output via the 7 channel outputs. In the first case though your receiver will still have to do the digital to analog conversion.
post #2418 of 16402
One thing I noticed after upgrading to the beta firmware that fixed the audio problem in 3D is that I am now getting some lip sync issues with my Denon 3808. Most noticable on The Rocky Horror Picture Show Blu Ray. Some discs have the lip sync issue and some do not.
post #2419 of 16402
RE: MOV Files from DSLR - "Audio Format Not Supported"

Seems odd to me that I get a "Audio Format Not Supported" message each time I attempt to play a MOV file recorded from my camera. The video portion plays normally.

The properties of a typical MOV file from my camera are:

Video:

Frame Width/Height: 1280/720p

Bitrate: 14124kbps

Framerate: 30fps

Audio:

Bitrate: 256

Channels: (2) Stereo

Audio Sample Rate: 16kHz

My guess is that the audio portion is creating the issue, i.e., 2 channel stereo. If it is, then, I hope an Oppo firmware update can resolve the issue. Many more new cameras are incorporating stereo recording for MOV files.

I have no issues with MTS files (AVCHD) so far, because I'm assuming the sound is recorded in single channel - mono.
post #2420 of 16402
I am a noob and pardon my noob question here. I tried searching and reading several forums to find this out.

With all the good reviews, I am considering to buy a OPPO 103 . But there is a question in back of my mind, what visible and audible difference can a high end blue ray player like oppo shows when compared to $100 BDP.


I have a samsung D8000, Marantz NR1603, KEF T201. Will it be good to have a OPPO with these A/V components or having any other BDP is same as having an OPPO.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions and replies.
post #2421 of 16402
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Originally Posted by randallhill View Post

RE: MOV Files from DSLR - "Audio Format Not Supported"
Seems odd to me that I get a "Audio Format Not Supported" message each time I attempt to play a MOV file recorded from my camera. The video portion plays normally.

The properties of a typical MOV file from my camera are:
Video:
Frame Width/Height: 1280/720p
Bitrate: 14124kbps
Framerate: 30fps
Audio:
Bitrate: 256
Channels: (2) Stereo
Audio Sample Rate: 16kHz
My guess is that the audio portion is creating the issue, i.e., 2 channel stereo. If it is, then, I hope an Oppo firmware update can resolve the issue. Many more new cameras are incorporating stereo recording for MOV files.
I have no issues with MTS files (AVCHD) so far, because I'm assuming the sound is recorded in single channel - mono.

MOV is just another container, and the video and audio codecs contained therein must be supported codecs. If you convert the audio portion of those files to a supported codec they should play just fine. See the FAQ for lists of supported formats.
post #2422 of 16402
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Originally Posted by MO12 View Post

I am a noob and pardon my noob question here. I tried searching and reading several forums to find this out.
With all the good reviews, I am considering to buy a OPPO 103 . But there is a question in back of my mind, what visible and audible difference can a high end blue ray player like oppo shows when compared to $100 BDP.
I have a samsung D8000, Marantz NR1603, KEF T201. Will it be good to have a OPPO with these A/V components or having any other BDP is same as having an OPPO.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions and replies.

If you have to ask those questions, then you are not ready for an oppo 103. There is no way that a 103 is going to be 5X better than a $100 BR player. You buy it because it is a work horse with great technical support. There is no way to justify spending $500 on it, but enough people do and have no qualms about the cost.
post #2423 of 16402
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

If you have to ask those questions, then you are not ready for an oppo 103. There is no way that a 103 is going to be 5X better than a $100 BR player. You buy it because it is a work horse with great technical support. There is no way to justify spending $500 on it, but enough people do and have no qualms about the cost.

Thank you for the reply. This will help me in my decision making.
post #2424 of 16402
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

If you have to ask those questions, then you are not ready for an oppo 103. There is no way that a 103 is going to be 5X better than a $100 BR player. You buy it because it is a work horse with great technical support. There is no way to justify spending $500 on it, but enough people do and have no qualms about the cost.
That is obviously one opinion. Where the Oppo is absolutely better than less expensive players is analog audio. If you use digital (HDMI), then I agree that BluRay PQ alone may not justify the higher cost (although upscaled SD DVD PQ may).
post #2425 of 16402
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Originally Posted by MO12 View Post

Thank you for the reply. This will help me in my decision making.

The Oppo BDP-103 will transform your home theatre into a truly amazing sound and video reproduction system. It could possibly be the best $500 you have ever spent in your life.

There, now you have to decide whether I am *right* or fookoo is *right* smile.gif

But seriously...

Do you have a lot of DVDs? While it's a common opinion that video quality between Blu-Ray players is a tight race, upscaling DVDs to 1080p is not - some players do it much better than others.

It could be that you like the sound of the BDP-103 better than the sound of your receiver.

Using the analog outputs from the Oppo might make your system sound much better than using HDMI from the Oppo or your current BR player - the DACS in the Oppo might be much etter then the DACs in your Marantz.

How many sources do you have?

If you have only a couple, you might be able to remove your Marantz from the picture entirely - using the BDP-103 as a pre-amp. Feed HDMI from your cable box into the BDP-103s HDMI input.

Does your Samsung do Netflix? Does it do 1080p, Dolby Digital 5.1 Netflix? If not , the BDP-103 would be a nice upgrade there too.
post #2426 of 16402
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Originally Posted by zoomin View Post



How many sources do you have?
If you have only a couple, you might be able to remove your Marantz from the picture entirely - using the BDP-103 as a pre-amp. Feed HDMI from your cable box into the BDP-103s HDMI input.
Does your Samsung do Netflix? Does it do 1080p, Dolby Digital 5.1 Netflix? If not , the BDP-103 would be a nice upgrade there too.

My Current source are Xbox, Apple TV, Dish.

Yes, my samsung got netflix and does 1080p with 5.1 Sound. I use HDMI for everything.
post #2427 of 16402
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

That is obviously one opinion. Where the Oppo is absolutely better than less expensive players is analog audio. If you use digital (HDMI), then I agree that BluRay PQ alone may not justify the higher cost (although upscaled SD DVD PQ may).

Yes, I use HDMI from xbox, apple TV, dish to my receiver and HDMI to TV from receiver
post #2428 of 16402
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Originally Posted by MO12 View Post

I am a noob and pardon my noob question here. I tried searching and reading several forums to find this out.
With all the good reviews, I am considering to buy a OPPO 103 . But there is a question in back of my mind, what visible and audible difference can a high end blue ray player like oppo shows when compared to $100 BDP.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions and replies.

I think the differences that you would immediately notice are that the DVD playback will look a lot better and the speed of loading BDs will be a lot quicker. You'll also be able to play more types of audio disks - DVD-A and SACD for example. These formats will often give you better sound.

Down the road you will begin to appreciate the quality of construction, and the support that you get from Oppo. You will probably also find that you'll have fewer problems with certain disks not playing either due to software or disk defects.

Will it be worth it to you? Well for me anyway the reason I became interested in Oppo is because I wanted a player that would do a good job with all of my disks. I have quite a few DVDs that I'm not going to be able to replace with BDs any time soon so DVD playback quality is worth a lot to me.
post #2429 of 16402
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Originally Posted by MO12 View Post

Yes, I use HDMI from xbox, apple TV, dish to my receiver and HDMI to TV from receiver

Using analog out from BDP-103 might sound better.

DVDs might look better.

If I had to bet, I would say it WOULD sound better and DVDs upscaled WOULD look better.

Even if you too saw and heard a positive difference, that may or may not be worth the extra money to you; to others it is.
post #2430 of 16402
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

I think the differences that you would immediately notice are that the DVD playback will look a lot better and the speed of loading BDs will be a lot quicker. You'll also be able to play more types of audio disks - DVD-A and SACD for example. These formats will often give you better sound.
Down the road you will begin to appreciate the quality of construction, and the support that you get from Oppo. You will probably also find that you'll have fewer problems with certain disks not playing either due to software or disk defects.
Will it be worth it to you? Well for me anyway the reason I became interested in Oppo is because I wanted a player that would do a good job with all of my disks. I have quite a few DVDs that I'm not going to be able to replace with BDs any time soon so DVD playback quality is worth a lot to me.

+1.. that is for all oppo players.

Jacob
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