Official OPPO BDP-103 Owner's Thread - Page 84

Originally Posted by bakerwi 

You know the occasional "it blows it away" or "it's night and day". Too many look for validation of their purchase decisions.

Originally Posted by Raylinds 

I have a problem that I am sure is not with the 103, but wanted to get some thoughts of what the cause may be. Last night, I tried to play Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 1 3D Blu-ray. I got audio when the Warner Brothers logo flashed on the screen, but as soon as it went to the menu, all audio was lost. The audio format of the disc is DTS-HD MA, which my Rotel RSP 1570 Pre/pro automatically detects and plays. The 103 showed DTS-HD MA on the screen so it was properly detecting the format. I tried changing the audio option on the disc, but there were no other options.
The strange thing is the 2D disc that comes in the package is also DTS-HD MA and that plays fine, which indicates there is not a problem with my set-up. It seems like the problem is with the disc, but that seems very odd.
Has anyone experienced this or have any ideas?

Originally Posted by Ali is mental 

Technically there should be no difference between the Oppo outputting PCM via HDMI and analog being output via the 7 channel outputs. In the first case though your receiver will still have to do the digital to analog conversion.

Originally Posted by Kri 

For me, music is much better via mch analog outs. HDMI is great for picture quality and maybe for some explosive soundtracks. I lead picture direct to my TV over HDMI. I even consider leaving completely AVR and replacing it with 2 audiophile stereo amps and 2 active speakers for center and SW. That's why I'm highly interrested in Oppo 103 possibly being it's own preamp (volume control for these power amps).
But analog concepts are difficult to discuss here since most people are focused on digital sound processing/"room correcting" and don't care much for musicality of the HD music.

Originally Posted by 117olddude 

Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode. I can't change any receiver settings from the front panel, as they all say "Not Available." When I play a DVD with"plain" DTS or Dolby, I can. Swapped out HDMI cables for older ones (currently using new "fast" ones from Monoprice), checked all settings, seems to be the only setting that I can get. Can't recall if my 83 had the same effect on the receiver. Checked the Forum, did a Google search, nothing. Anyone have any clues?

Originally Posted by 117olddude 

Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode. I can't change any receiver settings from the front panel, as they all say "Not Available." When I play a DVD with"plain" DTS or Dolby, I can. Swapped out HDMI cables for older ones (currently using new "fast" ones from Monoprice), checked all settings, seems to be the only setting that I can get. Can't recall if my 83 had the same effect on the receiver. Checked the Forum, did a Google search, nothing. Anyone have any clues?

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

By Rear speakers do you mean you have a 7.1 speaker configuration, or are you referring to your Side speakers in a 5.1 configuration as Rears simply because of their physical positioning?
Are you using the Analog audio outputs? Check to make sure you have DTS Neo:6 Mode set to OFF.
Also, and again, if you are using the Analog outputs, at the back of the OPPO swap the two Rear output plugs with the two Side output plugs. If the problem stays in your Rear speakers then you know the problem is external to the OPPO -- cables, amps, speakers picking up interference.
If you are using HDMI output for audio, try the same thing for the output connections at the back of your AVR or sound processor. Similarly, check to make sure you don't have an audio Surround Sound Processing mode turned on in your AVR or sound processor.
--Bob

Originally Posted by brownriggd 

I read some earlier posts that indicated problems with .mov format files. Does the 103 play back both video and audio on a USB recorded in this format?

Originally Posted by brownriggd 

I read some earlier posts that indicated problems with .mov format files. Does the 103 play back both video and audio on a USB recorded in this format?

Originally Posted by rdgrimes 

The V663 is unable to apply any sound field processing to 5.1 input or HD audio. Straight mode simply means it's decoding the stream as required. If you wish to process 5.1 into 7.1, you may be able to do so with the "Extended Surround" option in the V663 setup. You may also find that all this goes better if you input 5.1 LPCM instead of bitstream. In any case, all these things are normal for the V663, it has limitations as do all HDMI-1.3 models.

Originally Posted by 117olddude 

Thanks. Kind of what I thought. I'm running bitstream from the Oppo into the receiver. If I choose a non-True or Master soundtrack on a BD ("foreign" language or director's commentary track), I do get the option to change the sound field. Not a matter of 5.1 or 7.1, all BD discs with True or Master exhibit the same "limitation" when those tracks are selected. Newer receivers can do this? If so, will probably wait 'till after the holiday and then try to pick up a new one on a super sale.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

There is almost certainly a setting in either your Receiver or Display that will fix this. It will just take some hunting. Basically what's happening is that the HDMI between the Receiver and Display is live even though it is not in use in your 2-cable setup (i.e., even though you have the Display set to listen on the input direct from the OPPO). The trick is to figure out why.
A common culprit is audio or video "pass through" settings in the Receiver. But also check for HDMI CEC settings in both the Receiver and the Display. HDMI CEC is the protocol that lets one device remote control another across the HDMI cable. It is often given some fancy marketing name by the maker of the AVR or Display. But look for a setting that lets one device control another, such as automatically turning on or switching input and disable that.
If you don't find an easy answer, check in the owner's thread here for your AVR as others may have run into this problem.
Also email OPPO Tech Support with the model of AVR and Display you are using and the problem you are having. They may have some history with these so they can point you in the right direction.
Now, there's a SEPARATE question as to why the single cable hookup is not working. It wouldn't surprise me if the setting change you find makes 2-cable work, ALSO makes single cable work.
--Bob

Originally Posted by rdgrimes 

There's no assurances that any AVR can apply sound field processing to 5.1 HD audio. Varies from one to another. With a 5.1 system its a dubious benefit at best.
Please try using LPCM output from the player and see if the V663 gives you more options.

Originally Posted by 117olddude 

Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

Are your speakers truly capable of producing high quality audio down to 20Hz? At volume? If you don't have powered woofers inside those speakers, this is pretty unlikely.
You want to allow a full Octave (factor of 2 in frequency) BELOW the Crossover setting because the transition between main speakers and sub rolls in over about an Octave. I.e., it is not a sudden switchover at one frequency.
So if you set a Crossover of 40Hz, your main speakers will still be contributing audible amounts of bass down to 20Hz, while the sub's output increases as the frequency goes down, and it has essentially taken over fully at 20Hz.
A more typical spec for Large -- "full range" -- speakers is that their audio output is good down to only 30Hz, or even 40Hz, and gets progressively worse below that. That is, they may show specs that they can go lower, but the deviation from "correct" below that is significantly greater. For such speakers, the usual Rule of Thumb would be to set a Crossover frequency at twice that "good" limit -- i.e., 60Hz or 80Hz respectively in this example.
Now all this assumes you have a capable subwoofer in your system to catch that steered bass in the first place. A lot of subs sold for home theater are really intended to operate in the range of 30-80Hz, which is fine for explosion effects in movies (around 50Hz), but doesn't really work for the lowest frequencies (below 30Hz) which you feel more than hear. Matching a sub to the capabilities of your main speakers, and figuring out the best way to set this all up (e.g., sub positioning, choice of crossover, room treatments, or electronic room correction processing) is a complicated topic.
--Bob

Originally Posted by mantaraydesign 

Thanks Bob!
I did the Audyssey test with the Onkyo receiver and the Audyssey put all my speakers to Large all around (FR, FL, CENTER, SR, SL). So I changed the Crossover of the 103 to 40Hz.
I guess I am confuse because if the Onkyo receiver already set the 5 speakers to Large in the Crossover, why do I need to set the Crossover of the 103? Is there a way to turn off the Crossover with the 103?

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau 

Sure, you can do that. This is one way we test the HDMI inputs in Beta Test Club. Whether the picture will be noticeably better depends on lots of things. Some DVD players screw up the basic job of reading and decoding the disc. That's even before de-interlacing and scaling happens. There's nothing any video processor (e.g., the 103 in this case) can do to "fix" such damage. But assuming your DVD player isn't doing that, you could set it to send 480i to the 103 and then the 103 will do the de-interlacing and scaling.
But as mentioned above, other than for testing purposes, or just for the pure fun of trying to do simple things in ever more complicated ways, there doesn't seem to be any point in doing this for real movie watching. Just play your DVD in the 103.
--Bob

Originally Posted by rdgrimes 

Speaker setup in the Oppo ONLY applies to analog output from the player. Likewise, the AVR does not apply any processing or bass management to multichannel analog inputs.

Originally Posted by Ali is mental 

I'm not sure why you would want to process 5.1 to something else. I have a 6160 which is the same receiver and I leave 5.1 as it was mixed. I do however process any stereo source (except for 192/24) to 7.1. Stereo is way too "flat" sounding to me.

Originally Posted by mantaraydesign 

Thanks Bob!
I did the Audyssey test with the Onkyo receiver and the Audyssey put all my speakers to Large all around (FR, FL, CENTER, SR, SL). So I changed the Crossover of the 103 to 40Hz.
I guess I am confuse because if the Onkyo receiver already set the 5 speakers to Large in the Crossover, why do I need to set the Crossover of the 103? Is there a way to turn off the Crossover with the 103?

Originally Posted by dolphinc 

103 came in today, I removed my 83 which actually made me sad because I love that player buy it is a true upgrade so all is good. I hooked it up to my Yamaha Advantage RX2000, ran the firmware update and through in The Avengers 3D and everything, worked, sounded and looked amazing. Very happy with the purchase.
Now I need to decide what to do with the 83.

Originally Posted by dolphinc 

103 came in today, I removed my 83 which actually made me sad because I love that player buy it is a true upgrade so all is good. I hooked it up to my Yamaha Advantage RX2000, ran the firmware update and through in The Avengers 3D and everything, worked, sounded and looked amazing. Very happy with the purchase.
Now I need to decide what to do with the 83.