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post #2491 of 16434
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

You know the occasional "it blows it away" or "it's night and day".biggrin.gif Too many look for validation of their purchase decisions.smile.gif

I couldn't agree more. That's why I tend to listen more to new owners who point out weak spots on new devices.
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I have a problem that I am sure is not with the 103, but wanted to get some thoughts of what the cause may be. Last night, I tried to play Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 1 3D Blu-ray. I got audio when the Warner Brothers logo flashed on the screen, but as soon as it went to the menu, all audio was lost. The audio format of the disc is DTS-HD MA, which my Rotel RSP 1570 Pre/pro automatically detects and plays. The 103 showed DTS-HD MA on the screen so it was properly detecting the format. I tried changing the audio option on the disc, but there were no other options.

The strange thing is the 2D disc that comes in the package is also DTS-HD MA and that plays fine, which indicates there is not a problem with my set-up. It seems like the problem is with the disc, but that seems very odd.

Has anyone experienced this or have any ideas?
post #2493 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Raylinds View Post

I have a problem that I am sure is not with the 103, but wanted to get some thoughts of what the cause may be. Last night, I tried to play Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 1 3D Blu-ray. I got audio when the Warner Brothers logo flashed on the screen, but as soon as it went to the menu, all audio was lost. The audio format of the disc is DTS-HD MA, which my Rotel RSP 1570 Pre/pro automatically detects and plays. The 103 showed DTS-HD MA on the screen so it was properly detecting the format. I tried changing the audio option on the disc, but there were no other options.
The strange thing is the 2D disc that comes in the package is also DTS-HD MA and that plays fine, which indicates there is not a problem with my set-up. It seems like the problem is with the disc, but that seems very odd.
Has anyone experienced this or have any ideas?

Update your firmware to the new beta version, which specifically addresses the no audio issue with 3D discs. If there's an update for the Rotel you might want to do that too. The problem is a bad handshake from the Rotel while 3D is playing, allowing the player to send 3D over HDMI-2 to the AVR. Apparently the Rotel doesn't support 3D.
post #2494 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

Technically there should be no difference between the Oppo outputting PCM via HDMI and analog being output via the 7 channel outputs. In the first case though your receiver will still have to do the digital to analog conversion.

after some experimenting I have found that the 7.1 input on my avr produces much nicer sound than using the hdmi for audio. The sound stage is broader and the overall sound is not as bright, which make it less fatiguing and more enjoyable. This may be due to the AVR processing some of the audio from the hdmi input. In any event analogue out from the 103 to the AVR is an excellent way to go.
post #2495 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Kri View Post

For me, music is much better via mch analog outs. HDMI is great for picture quality and maybe for some explosive soundtracks. I lead picture direct to my TV over HDMI. I even consider leaving completely AVR and replacing it with 2 audiophile stereo amps and 2 active speakers for center and SW. That's why I'm highly interrested in Oppo 103 possibly being it's own preamp (volume control for these power amps).
But analog concepts are difficult to discuss here since most people are focused on digital sound processing/"room correcting" and don't care much for musicality of the HD music.

I am new to this form and am unaware of an analogue over HD audio. I have been playing around with the Oppo and the audio settings and after some experimenting I have found that the 7.1 input on my avr produces much nicer sound than using the hdmi for audio. The sound stage is broader and the overall sound is not as bright, which make it less fatiguing and more enjoyable. This may be due to the AVR processing some of the audio from the hdmi input. In any event analogue out from the 103 to the AVR is an excellent way to go. I do plan in the future to go to separates for the home theatre set-up. The nice thing about the oppo, since it has excellent processors in it, I do not have to get a screaming high end processor, perhaps a slightly used one that will in affect act as a preamp, dealing only with inputs and volume control.
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Thanks for that. Up until that disc, I have been able to play 3D with no problem, but glad it is fixed.
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Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode. I can't change any receiver settings from the front panel, as they all say "Not Available." When I play a DVD with"plain" DTS or Dolby, I can. Swapped out HDMI cables for older ones (currently using new "fast" ones from Monoprice), checked all settings, seems to be the only setting that I can get. Can't recall if my 83 had the same effect on the receiver. Checked the Forum, did a Google search, nothing. Anyone have any clues? smile.gif
post #2498 of 16434
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode. I can't change any receiver settings from the front panel, as they all say "Not Available." When I play a DVD with"plain" DTS or Dolby, I can. Swapped out HDMI cables for older ones (currently using new "fast" ones from Monoprice), checked all settings, seems to be the only setting that I can get. Can't recall if my 83 had the same effect on the receiver. Checked the Forum, did a Google search, nothing. Anyone have any clues? smile.gif
I'm not familiar with your specific receiver, other than to know that it's discontinued and therefore probably a few years old or so. But it wasn't exactly uncommon for the first few years of receivers that supported Dolby True HD / DTS HD Master Audio to not have enough horsepower to do processing beyond decoding those formats. Something you could try doing is let the Oppo decode the surround formats as your receiver may have enough horsepower to apply the functions you want to use on multichannel LPCM signals. Check the thread for your receiver in the Receiver forum for specifics on the limitations of your receiver.
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode. I can't change any receiver settings from the front panel, as they all say "Not Available." When I play a DVD with"plain" DTS or Dolby, I can. Swapped out HDMI cables for older ones (currently using new "fast" ones from Monoprice), checked all settings, seems to be the only setting that I can get. Can't recall if my 83 had the same effect on the receiver. Checked the Forum, did a Google search, nothing. Anyone have any clues? smile.gif

The V663 is unable to apply any sound field processing to 5.1 input or HD audio. Straight mode simply means it's decoding the stream as required. If you wish to process 5.1 into 7.1, you may be able to do so with the "Extended Surround" option in the V663 setup. You may also find that all this goes better if you input 5.1 LPCM instead of bitstream. In any case, all these things are normal for the V663, it has limitations as do all HDMI-1.3 models.
post #2500 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

By Rear speakers do you mean you have a 7.1 speaker configuration, or are you referring to your Side speakers in a 5.1 configuration as Rears simply because of their physical positioning?
Are you using the Analog audio outputs? Check to make sure you have DTS Neo:6 Mode set to OFF.
Also, and again, if you are using the Analog outputs, at the back of the OPPO swap the two Rear output plugs with the two Side output plugs. If the problem stays in your Rear speakers then you know the problem is external to the OPPO -- cables, amps, speakers picking up interference.
If you are using HDMI output for audio, try the same thing for the output connections at the back of your AVR or sound processor. Similarly, check to make sure you don't have an audio Surround Sound Processing mode turned on in your AVR or sound processor.
--Bob

By rears, I am referring to the surround channels of my 5.1 setup. I am running the Oppo analog outputs directly into my Anthem PVA7 amplifier. NEO6 processing is set to off. All speakers are dead silent until I start playing a 2 channel audio source. As soon as I stop or pause the music, everything is dead silent. If there is 2 channel source audio playing, I get the static sound from the surrounds and center channel.

I tried running the surround speakers to a different amp channel of my amp. I did have them in the rears channel anyway, so now I have put them into the output labeled surrounds on my amp.

Playing my latest Blu Ray title, Queen Hungarian Rhapsody with 24/96 5.1 DTS-HD, there exists the same noise when running the 2 channel track, but I cannot tell if the noise exists while playing the 5.1 track. There doesn't seem to be any break in the surround channel audio so I can't tell. On my copy of The Dark Knight, the static is there when the rear channels are silent when running the 5.1 track.

If it was interference through the cables I would understand if it was always present when there was no source being fed to the amplifier. However, I do not buy the interference argument due to the fact that when there is no playback ALL channels are dead silent.
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I read some earlier posts that indicated problems with .mov format files. Does the 103 play back both video and audio on a USB recorded in this format?
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Originally Posted by brownriggd View Post

I read some earlier posts that indicated problems with .mov format files. Does the 103 play back both video and audio on a USB recorded in this format?

No
post #2503 of 16434
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Originally Posted by brownriggd View Post

I read some earlier posts that indicated problems with .mov format files. Does the 103 play back both video and audio on a USB recorded in this format?

The container is supported. Results will depend on the A/V codecs within the container.

-Bill
post #2504 of 16434
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The V663 is unable to apply any sound field processing to 5.1 input or HD audio. Straight mode simply means it's decoding the stream as required. If you wish to process 5.1 into 7.1, you may be able to do so with the "Extended Surround" option in the V663 setup. You may also find that all this goes better if you input 5.1 LPCM instead of bitstream. In any case, all these things are normal for the V663, it has limitations as do all HDMI-1.3 models.

Thanks. Kind of what I thought. I'm running bitstream from the Oppo into the receiver. If I choose a non-True or Master soundtrack on a BD ("foreign" language or director's commentary track), I do get the option to change the sound field. Not a matter of 5.1 or 7.1, all BD discs with True or Master exhibit the same "limitation" when those tracks are selected. Newer receivers can do this? If so, will probably wait 'till after the holiday and then try to pick up a new one on a super sale.

BTW, Hugo (I have the 2D) looks and sounds spectacular when run through the 103.
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Thanks. Kind of what I thought. I'm running bitstream from the Oppo into the receiver. If I choose a non-True or Master soundtrack on a BD ("foreign" language or director's commentary track), I do get the option to change the sound field. Not a matter of 5.1 or 7.1, all BD discs with True or Master exhibit the same "limitation" when those tracks are selected. Newer receivers can do this? If so, will probably wait 'till after the holiday and then try to pick up a new one on a super sale.
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There's no assurances that any AVR can apply sound field processing to 5.1 HD audio. Varies from one to another. With a 5.1 system its a dubious benefit at best.
Please try using LPCM output from the player and see if the V663 gives you more options.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There is almost certainly a setting in either your Receiver or Display that will fix this. It will just take some hunting. Basically what's happening is that the HDMI between the Receiver and Display is live even though it is not in use in your 2-cable setup (i.e., even though you have the Display set to listen on the input direct from the OPPO). The trick is to figure out why.
A common culprit is audio or video "pass through" settings in the Receiver. But also check for HDMI CEC settings in both the Receiver and the Display. HDMI CEC is the protocol that lets one device remote control another across the HDMI cable. It is often given some fancy marketing name by the maker of the AVR or Display. But look for a setting that lets one device control another, such as automatically turning on or switching input and disable that.
If you don't find an easy answer, check in the owner's thread here for your AVR as others may have run into this problem.
Also email OPPO Tech Support with the model of AVR and Display you are using and the problem you are having. They may have some history with these so they can point you in the right direction.
Now, there's a SEPARATE question as to why the single cable hookup is not working. It wouldn't surprise me if the setting change you find makes 2-cable work, ALSO makes single cable work.
--Bob

Bob you were right. What I did to get the double hdmi ito work was put the video into the non-CEC hdmi slot on my tv. So for single hdmi run i ran the hdmi to that same non-CEC slot on my TV and it worked. Bah for the buggy CEC HDMI.

Thanks for your thoroughness and patience in helping a newbie!
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

There's no assurances that any AVR can apply sound field processing to 5.1 HD audio. Varies from one to another. With a 5.1 system its a dubious benefit at best.
Please try using LPCM output from the player and see if the V663 gives you more options.

Thanks again. Guess I'll save some money and stick with the 663, which seems to work fine.
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Loving the 103, still playing with settings. I've noticed that, with my Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver, when I play a BD with a Master or True soundtrack through it (Oppo HDMI 2 goes to Receiver) I can only get Straight Mode.

I'm not sure why you would want to process 5.1 to something else. I have a 6160 which is the same receiver and I leave 5.1 as it was mixed. I do however process any stereo source (except for 192/24) to 7.1. Stereo is way too "flat" sounding to me.
post #2509 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Are your speakers truly capable of producing high quality audio down to 20Hz? At volume? If you don't have powered woofers inside those speakers, this is pretty unlikely.
You want to allow a full Octave (factor of 2 in frequency) BELOW the Crossover setting because the transition between main speakers and sub rolls in over about an Octave. I.e., it is not a sudden switchover at one frequency.
So if you set a Crossover of 40Hz, your main speakers will still be contributing audible amounts of bass down to 20Hz, while the sub's output increases as the frequency goes down, and it has essentially taken over fully at 20Hz.
A more typical spec for Large -- "full range" -- speakers is that their audio output is good down to only 30Hz, or even 40Hz, and gets progressively worse below that. That is, they may show specs that they can go lower, but the deviation from "correct" below that is significantly greater. For such speakers, the usual Rule of Thumb would be to set a Crossover frequency at twice that "good" limit -- i.e., 60Hz or 80Hz respectively in this example.
Now all this assumes you have a capable subwoofer in your system to catch that steered bass in the first place. A lot of subs sold for home theater are really intended to operate in the range of 30-80Hz, which is fine for explosion effects in movies (around 50Hz), but doesn't really work for the lowest frequencies (below 30Hz) which you feel more than hear. Matching a sub to the capabilities of your main speakers, and figuring out the best way to set this all up (e.g., sub positioning, choice of crossover, room treatments, or electronic room correction processing) is a complicated topic.
--Bob


Thanks Bob!

I did the Audyssey test with the Onkyo receiver and the Audyssey put all my speakers to Large all around (FR, FL, CENTER, SR, SL). So I changed the Crossover of the 103 to 40Hz.

I guess I am confuse because if the Onkyo receiver already set the 5 speakers to Large in the Crossover, why do I need to set the Crossover of the 103? Is there a way to turn off the Crossover with the 103?
post #2510 of 16434
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Thanks Bob!
I did the Audyssey test with the Onkyo receiver and the Audyssey put all my speakers to Large all around (FR, FL, CENTER, SR, SL). So I changed the Crossover of the 103 to 40Hz.
I guess I am confuse because if the Onkyo receiver already set the 5 speakers to Large in the Crossover, why do I need to set the Crossover of the 103? Is there a way to turn off the Crossover with the 103?

Speaker setup in the Oppo ONLY applies to analog output from the player. Likewise, the AVR does not apply any processing or bass management to multichannel analog inputs.
post #2511 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Sure, you can do that. This is one way we test the HDMI inputs in Beta Test Club. Whether the picture will be noticeably better depends on lots of things. Some DVD players screw up the basic job of reading and decoding the disc. That's even before de-interlacing and scaling happens. There's nothing any video processor (e.g., the 103 in this case) can do to "fix" such damage. But assuming your DVD player isn't doing that, you could set it to send 480i to the 103 and then the 103 will do the de-interlacing and scaling.
But as mentioned above, other than for testing purposes, or just for the pure fun of trying to do simple things in ever more complicated ways, there doesn't seem to be any point in doing this for real movie watching. Just play your DVD in the 103.
--Bob


Thanks Bob!

I suppose there is no need to connect a DVD player into the 103.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Speaker setup in the Oppo ONLY applies to analog output from the player. Likewise, the AVR does not apply any processing or bass management to multichannel analog inputs.

ok, I understand the 103 now.

So the Crossover with the receiver will only effect when using HDMI for watching movies?
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I'm not sure why you would want to process 5.1 to something else. I have a 6160 which is the same receiver and I leave 5.1 as it was mixed. I do however process any stereo source (except for 192/24) to 7.1. Stereo is way too "flat" sounding to me.

No, I don't want to go 5.1>7.1. I was thinking more along the lines of adjusting sound parameters as opposed to just running the sound "straight" through. I use the mic to adjust the receiver, so the sound is balanced, but I can't change eq or cheat the balance, etc. No biggie, it sounds fine,
was just curious as to why the receiver would default to Straight.
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Thanks Bob!
I did the Audyssey test with the Onkyo receiver and the Audyssey put all my speakers to Large all around (FR, FL, CENTER, SR, SL). So I changed the Crossover of the 103 to 40Hz.
I guess I am confuse because if the Onkyo receiver already set the 5 speakers to Large in the Crossover, why do I need to set the Crossover of the 103? Is there a way to turn off the Crossover with the 103?

I use MCACC instead of Audyssey, but the principles are the same. I have fronts and a center that can go down to 33Hz (fronts), and 40Hz (center) and are set to large by MCACC. My sides and rears are also capable below 80 Hz.

I cross them all over at 80Hz and reset them all to small. This lets my two subs handle what they were meant to handle, the non-directional bass frequencies, letting the other speakers handle the upper frequencies with less stress. There's a whole discussion of the subject and people who are very well versed in Audyssey (yet another discussion) in the subs or audyssey areas, but to me, it comes down to using your speakers to handle what they're best at, and my subs are best at handling the bass area, so that's what I try to maximize.
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103 came in today, I removed my 83 which actually made me sad because I love that player buy it is a true upgrade so all is good. I hooked it up to my Yamaha Advantage RX2000, ran the firmware update and through in The Avengers 3D and everything, worked, sounded and looked amazing. Very happy with the purchase.

Now I need to decide what to do with the 83.
post #2516 of 16434
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

103 came in today, I removed my 83 which actually made me sad because I love that player buy it is a true upgrade so all is good. I hooked it up to my Yamaha Advantage RX2000, ran the firmware update and through in The Avengers 3D and everything, worked, sounded and looked amazing. Very happy with the purchase.
Now I need to decide what to do with the 83.

I would keep it a few months until the bugs are worked on the 103. you still get a fine price for it.

Jacob
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

103 came in today, I removed my 83 which actually made me sad because I love that player buy it is a true upgrade so all is good. I hooked it up to my Yamaha Advantage RX2000, ran the firmware update and through in The Avengers 3D and everything, worked, sounded and looked amazing. Very happy with the purchase.
Now I need to decide what to do with the 83.
It made an excellent player for my bedroom and it does not hurt to have a back-up.
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When using the video processing section of the 103, can you stretch and zoom other sources?

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Hi,

Just curious if there are settings worth exploring from the defaults? Sometimes defaults are meant to be a good starting point and to work with the vast majority of TVs and AVRs. But which are worth trying out to see if it makes a difference in a particuler setup. For example, is it worth changing deep color to anything else than off?

Thanks
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I have a small problem and wonder if its know. I can't recall if it as been discussed in this thread that I read since it started. Memory ain't what it used to be.

When I play a file, video with audio or audio only, there is always a second or two of audio missing. If I stop and start the file again the audio plays from the start.
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