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post #2551 of 16420
Is it worth sending a comment/feedback to Oppo about a missing feature that is actually useful for 7.1 soundtracks? When you discuss 5.1 sound, everything is well-understood and agreed-to. The surround channels should be placed to the side or slightly behind the main seats. But when it comes to 7.1 sound, it's like the wild west. Studios seem to coin-toss whether the 2 additional channels are placed to the side or to the back... let me explain a bit further...

If you have an amplifier that shows channel activity and there is a fly-over from back to front in a 7.1 soundtrack and you have your system wired so that the "surround" speakers are to the sides and the "surround back" speakers are in the back of the room, you will find that you have about a 50-50 chance of that flyover starting in the SIDE speakers, moving to the back, then jumping from back to front. The flyover SHOULD start in the back, move to the sides, then to the front. The only way we have to get correct channel orientation right now is to physically re-connect the pairs of surround speakers to do the right thing when there is a flyover in the sound track. Unfortuately, you'd have to preview the entire movie trying to determine which channel orientation was used for the 7.1 soundtrack BEFORE you watch the movie... that's a PAIN and a disappointment. I for one don't want to see random scenes from the movie before I watch the entire movie. And it really pisses me off that I could watch a good portion of the movie with the wrong speaker orientation just because there is no 1 standard for how studios encode 7.1 soundtracks. Widescreen Review magazine is the only magazine I'm aware of that documents the correct channel orientation for each 7.1 disc (in their online disc reviews, sometimes the print reviews mention channel orientation, sometimes not). I can go through my discs with 7.1 soundtracks and slip a little note in the cover as to what orientation should be used for that particular disc using the WSR disc review database. But I still have to physically change speaker connections to get the sound to the right channels. This only applies to native 7.1 soundtracks of course. If you expand 5.1 soundtracks to 7.1, that's always done correctly.

Oppo should be able to incorporate a channel swap feature (only if you select PCM 7.1 out, of course) that would allow owners to easily select the proper channel orientation for their 7.1 discs... and if this could be saved in persistent storage for future plays of the same disc, that would be awesome. With HARD things incorporated in the 103 like 4K upconversion, something like a solution to this 7.1 delimma should be fairly easy in comparison... maybe. The hard part is probably going to be that there may not be support for this in anybody's chip set and it would have to be some sort of custom-programmed solution.

I'm not sure why nobody else besides WSR has noticed that 7.1 soundtracks seem to have randomly selected side vs back orientations... perhaps nobody else is monitoring channel activity during playback like Gary Reber is doing. There has been at least one article in WSR where an industry insider admitted that there was no standardization of 7.1 channel orientation. It would be much easier to select 7.1 PCM output with side-side/back-back orientation or 7.1 PCM with side-back/back-side orientation than to have to re-wire the speakers to get the soundtrack to playback correctly.
post #2552 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

Is it worth sending a comment/feedback to Oppo about a missing feature that is actually useful for 7.1 soundtracks?

Yes.

-Bill
post #2553 of 16420
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Since you brought it up, I don't think its been mentioned yet in public that TrueHD is now partially supported in MKV files with the beta FW. The player must be set to LPCM output on HDMI, bitstreaming doesn't work. Analog output also works fine.

Yep I just verified it in MKV and m2ts. I was set to bitstreaming but was trying out some settings Bob has suggested to me (thanks Bob, your help is invaluable btw) and one of them was to switch to LPCM and now TrueHD works on files for me!

Things are getting better and better. Thanks guys!
post #2554 of 16420
As to Video_TS files, I have no issue with them on either the 83 or 103 after burning them to a DVD disc using Toast on a Mac (DVD mode, not Data Disc mode). I also popped one of my DVD-Audio discs from my car (I custom make them using DVD-Audiofile on a Mac) into the 103 and it played just fine. The app creates an .ISO which I then drag to Disk Utility and burn from there.
post #2555 of 16420
Hello there,

I am relatively new to this forum (and the world of A/V setups in general) and I had a quick question about the optimal setup for my equipment. I have a Samsung PN50A650 display, a Harman Kardon AVR254 and a Motorola DCX3400 HD box (Comcast). The BDP-103 will be the only other piece of equipment in my setup (other than speakers). I have seen in other posts that Oppo recommends "a split A/V setup, that is feeding the video through one HDMI output and the audio through the other HDMI output." Is this still considered the best setup? How would this work with the cable box in the mix? Any input would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help.

BD6675
post #2556 of 16420
This thread has already helped me to make my decision on buying the Oppo 103, I had already about decided to but a Pioneer Elite BD but now that's history. , thanks guys. I plan on buying it next week but still trying to decide if I need to upgrade my AV receiver as well, was going to get the Pioneer Elite VSX, 42 or 60 but now I wonder if I should just keep my old Pioneer. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.smile.gif I plan on running my new direct tv connection through the oppo if I can.
post #2557 of 16420
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Originally Posted by DaaWizard12 View Post

This thread has already helped me to make my decision on buying the Oppo 103, I had already about decided to but a Pioneer Elite BD but now that's history. , thanks guys. I plan on buying it next week but still trying to decide if I need to upgrade my AV receiver as well, was going to get the Pioneer Elite VSX, 42 or 60 but now I wonder if I should just keep my old Pioneer. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.smile.gif I plan on running my new direct tv connection through the oppo if I can.

I would try your old receiver first as long as it has 7 analog in.
post #2558 of 16420
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Manic_D View Post

Since the beta firmware, I have to sign in every single time to get the YouTube app to load My YouTube. (which means going to the PC and entering a code) It will not remember me.

This has been an issue with the previous firmware as well. OPPO is aware of this and will be fixing it in a future firmware release. This error also affects the BDP-9x series of players as well.
post #2559 of 16420
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pallepaf View Post

Could someone please help me out (see above)?

MusicID is not supported on the player. Gracenote is only references when you are highlighting a music or audio file.

I have not tested for this in a long time, but what features are available when you press the OPTION button on the remote control?
post #2560 of 16420
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

As to Video_TS files, I have no issue with them on either the 83 or 103 after burning them to a DVD disc using Toast on a Mac (DVD mode, not Data Disc mode). I also popped one of my DVD-Audio discs from my car (I custom make them using DVD-Audiofile on a Mac) into the 103 and it played just fine. The app creates an .ISO which I then drag to Disk Utility and burn from there.

Thank you very much for this information.
post #2561 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Possibly a mix up with MKV audio codec support. DTS-HD was working from day 1 but TrueHD wasn't. It has started working in recent firmware.
-Bill
That's good news (that I must've missed!), as new titles are being released by even Disney (!?) with TrueHD. I guess you can't shake down an old partner so easily.
post #2562 of 16420
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Since you brought it up, I don't think its been mentioned yet in public that TrueHD is now partially supported in MKV files with the beta FW. The player must be set to LPCM output on HDMI, bitstreaming doesn't work. Analog output also works fine.
And now I'm seeing this...well, that's halfway there. Thanks for confirming my surprise.
post #2563 of 16420
Hello,

All owners of the new BDP-103, are you using the supplied HDMI cable or something aftermarket ? What are your recommendations on this ?

Thanks,
Shundy
post #2564 of 16420
^ Use the HDMI cable that came with the player (presuming the length works). No need for anything fancier.
--Bob
post #2565 of 16420
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Originally Posted by bd6675 View Post

Hello there,

I am relatively new to this forum (and the world of A/V setups in general) and I had a quick question about the optimal setup for my equipment. I have a Samsung PN50A650 display, a Harman Kardon AVR254 and a Motorola DCX3400 HD box (Comcast). The BDP-103 will be the only other piece of equipment in my setup (other than speakers). I have seen in other posts that Oppo recommends "a split A/V setup, that is feeding the video through one HDMI output and the audio through the other HDMI output." Is this still considered the best setup? How would this work with the cable box in the mix? Any input would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help.

BD6675

The Manual for the 103 is available for download (PDF File) from the OPPO Digital web site, and walks through a variety of different cabling scenarios. For most people, a single cable from the player to the AVR (and then a cable from the AVR to the Display) will be simplest and best. If your AVR can't be used that way -- for example if you have a 3D TV but the AVR can't pass 3D video -- then the dual cabling solution is the way to go. Some AVRs have problems (bugs) which also make it more convenient to hook up dual cables.

If using dual cable from the OPPO, you would still have HDMI output from the AVR to the Display. That means when viewing, say, your Comcast box, you would change the TV to listen to the input HDMI from the AVR as well as changing the AVR to listen to the HDMI input from the Comcast. A programmable remote (e.g., Logitech Harmony) can simplify this.
--Bob
post #2566 of 16420
I am thinking about buying this. I am trying to evaluate if it make sens for me to spend $500.

I am not an audio or videophile. I just ordered a Panasonic VT50. I have a Zvox 580 unit. Currently, I connected optical cable out of my directv receiver to Zvox and the quality is decent. I am trying to figure out if BDP-103 can do anything to improve my audio without spending money on any extra receivers of speakers.

I understand that this unit has very good video processor. But as far as audio goes, what would be the best way I would connect this to my Zvox? ZVox has optical and coaxial digital inputs. I am assuming optical or coaxial would both be about the same quality. If this setup (optical or coaxial connections)l, who does the audio decoding? BDP-103 or Zvox? Zvox has built in Dolby decoder but I think that is about it. If Zvox does the decoding, what about True HD and other advanced audio formats that BDP-103 supports but not ZVox. Basically, Can I expect any better audio than what my current set up has, if so what is best way to connect.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
post #2567 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

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I'm not sure why nobody else besides WSR has noticed that 7.1 soundtracks seem to have randomly selected side vs back orientations... perhaps nobody else is monitoring channel activity during playback like Gary Reber is doing. There has been at least one article in WSR where an industry insider admitted that there was no standardization of 7.1 channel orientation. It would be much easier to select 7.1 PCM output with side-side/back-back orientation or 7.1 PCM with side-back/back-side orientation than to have to re-wire the speakers to get the soundtrack to playback correctly.

Have you been spotting this only on DTS-HD MA 7.1 tracks? If so, it is likely studio misapplication of the "alternate speaker presentation" parameters of the DTS-HD MA encode.

This is one of these silly complexities DTS has designed into their encoding scheme which the studios don't have the good sense to avoid using. The point being, IT IS A MISTAKE in the studio authoring. There is no confusion that the Back Surrounds are supposed to be further back than the Side Surrounds. The RELATIVE ANGLE can vary but the polarity (which is behind which) is set in stone.

I think it would be a bad move for OPPO to add a feature whose purpose is to counter a stupid authoring mistake like this. The real solution is to complain to the studio and tell them you want the disc recalled and replaced with one that's authored correctly. Or stop buying discs from a studio that can't figure this out.
--Bob
post #2568 of 16420
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Originally Posted by John62 View Post

I just pulled the trigger on the BDP-103. I am looking to replace a very old sony Blu-ray player and a dedicated CD player. My goal is to get both the best picture AND sound quality I can for both music and movies. I have 2 questions: 1. Can anyone tell me if it is better to use the scaler in the 103 or should I select a mode that will let my Kuro do the heavy lifting? and 2. What is is preferred connection method that will allow me to get the best sound for movies and music? Currently I have all my equipment (Cable box, blu-ray etc) running to my Denon 3808. The 3808 is set to video pass through with one HDMI cable running to my Kuro. Analog cables are used to connect my CD player to the AVR.

There's no pat answer on this. Too many variables. The best solution is to just try different combos and see whether you see (or hear) a difference you like.

To start, I recommend you set the OPPO 103 to do the de-interlacing and upscaling (i.e., set 1080p output resolution), and to send HDMI LPCM audio to your receiver. Get familiar with how that looks and sounds and then start playing around. Note that any differences SHOULD be subtle. If you see a dramatic improvement one way over the other, then that suggests you didn't have things set up right in the first place for the "poorer" method.

I CAN tell you that the consensus opinion here on AVS is that the Kuro displays are happiest when fed RGB Video Level video data format. You can set the OPPO to output that, or if the video is going through your Denon, you can likely set the Denon to output that.
--Bob
post #2569 of 16420
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Originally Posted by TechwizEE View Post

A contribution to the list of AVRs having lip sync issues with the BDP-103... I use the Emotiva UMC-1 and am having lip sync issues with the BDP-103. Setup: HDMI1 out from the Oppo to HDMI1 in on the UMC. Then HDMI out from the UMC to HDMI1 in on my TV (M3D550KD). The UMC lip sync setting for this source is set to 0ms, which causes the UMC to automatically set the lip sync delay from the HDMI handshake.

I run into significant lip sync issues with all the blurays I've played in the Oppo. Streaming HD web video from Vudu and YouTube I've not had any lip sync issues. I've also not had lip sync issues playing standard DVDs through the Oppo. I've scanned this thread and seen several other folks are having BDP-103 bluray lip sync issues with their AVRs, which is a bit comforting. I'm not the only one. Looking forward to the next official firmware release from Oppo for the 103.

Really? There's no setting to tell the Emotiva to add NO audio delay? It always looks for meta-data from the display and applies that if you set the Emotive to 0ms? That's odd.

Anyway, the optional, automated lip sync feature on HDMI works pretty poorly. (The automated stuff reads a meta-data delay constant from the display. It uses that fixed amount regardless of what you are doing. It has no knowledge of what's going on in any Source device even though the setting is listed per-Source. In most displays, the value provided by the display doesn't even change according to the processing settings you are using in the display. As I said, it really doesn't do what it is marketed as doing.)

It is best to use an A/V sync chart (as from Disney "WOW World of Wonder", Blu-ray), which is known to have correct sync in the content itself, and use that to set up your sync delay if needed at all.

For the moment, there is inherent sync error in the output of the OPPO 103/105. That will undoubtedly be fixed in future firmware, but for now it is an issue, and as you have discovered, there are different combinations that produce different error amounts.

For your setup, and assuming you are using the 1114B Public Beta firmware in the OPPO, for shiny disc playback try setting an explicit delay of 75ms. Set that back to 0ms (or whatever setting REALLY means "add no delay" in your Emotive) when using the Internet services such as Netflix.
--Bob
post #2570 of 16420
This thread is a great resource to read through.

One other thing I am wondering, reading some of the connection scenarios I wonder how I might hook this unit up.

I only have a 720 res TV with 1 hdmi input and my Denon 2805 receiver does not have hdmi input. I'm not ready to upgrade TVs or Receivers yet. I am wanting the oppo 103 for high quality SACD and DVD-A playback utilizing the analog outputs on the player itself. Alot of the features of the oppo excite me and I;m sure I will upgrade TV and Receivers down the road for a more current set-up, but I anticipate using my current TV and receiver for atleast another year.

For now I have our directv receiver going to the TV hdmi in. I could go directv receiver > oppo > TV, however I commonly have the TV on (muted) while playing music. On my receiver I can send audio to one output and have video to another, but the oppo can't be hooked to my receiver for video. So, can the oppo send out video through the hdmi (pass through from directv) and also play an audio CD and send that audio from a different ouput simultaniously?
post #2571 of 16420
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Originally Posted by ev700401 View Post

This thread is a great resource to read through.

One other thing I am wondering, reading some of the connection scenarios I wonder how I might hook this unit up.

I only have a 720 res TV with 1 hdmi input and my Denon 2805 receiver does not have hdmi input. I'm not ready to upgrade TVs or Receivers yet. I am wanting the oppo 103 for high quality SACD and DVD-A playback utilizing the analog outputs on the player itself. Alot of the features of the oppo excite me and I;m sure I will upgrade TV and Receivers down the road for a more current set-up, but I anticipate using my current TV and receiver for atleast another year.

For now I have our directv receiver going to the TV hdmi in. I could go directv receiver > oppo > TV, however I commonly have the TV on (muted) while playing music. On my receiver I can send audio to one output and have video to another, but the oppo can't be hooked to my receiver for video. So, can the oppo send out video through the hdmi (pass through from directv) and also play an audio CD and send that audio from a different ouput simultaniously?

Nope.

If the OPPO is listening to video on an HDMI Input, then the only audio it will play is what's also coming in on that HDMI Input.

Your best bet may be to get an HDMI "switch" that will let you connect both the DirecTV and the OPPO to that single HDMI Input in your older, 720p TV. That gets the right video into the TV. Then set your older Receiver to either play audio from the DirectTV or audio from the OPPO, and voila!

The "best" audio from the OPPO in your configuration will likely be using its Analog audio outputs. The best audio from the DirecTV will likely be using an Optical Digital audio cable from it to your older Receiver -- typically set to Bitstream output so you can play 5.1 surround sound from TV channels that offer that (if you have surround speakers set up).

Now be aware that HDMI "switches" can be a source of HDMI handshake problems. But if you are only sending either 720p or 1080i to that TV, you should be OK.
--Bob
post #2572 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Are you really looking to buy a US model, BDP-103 instead of the European model BDP-103EU? There are some price gougers on eBAY offering to ship the US model, BDP-103 worldwide, but I wouldn't recommend doing that. Authorized OPPO resellers in the US are probably not shipping the US model players to Europe.
If you want to buy the European model, the OPPO UK web site lists authorized European resellers by country, and a number of them seem to be set up to take orders on-line:
http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/where-to-buy/
--Bob

Thank you Bob,

I was indeed looking for the 103EU, i didn't notice the difference.
I found an online shop in that list in Netherlands which was in English and had the region free multizone model, and placed an order there.
I'm hoping it doesn't take ages to arrive.
post #2573 of 16420
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Originally Posted by msr999 View Post

I am thinking about buying this. I am trying to evaluate if it make sens for me to spend $500.

I am not an audio or videophile. I just ordered a Panasonic VT50. I have a Zvox 580 unit. Currently, I connected optical cable out of my directv receiver to Zvox and the quality is decent. I am trying to figure out if BDP-103 can do anything to improve my audio without spending money on any extra receivers of speakers.

I understand that this unit has very good video processor. But as far as audio goes, what would be the best way I would connect this to my Zvox? ZVox has optical and coaxial digital inputs. I am assuming optical or coaxial would both be about the same quality. If this setup (optical or coaxial connections)l, who does the audio decoding? BDP-103 or Zvox? Zvox has built in Dolby decoder but I think that is about it. If Zvox does the decoding, what about True HD and other advanced audio formats that BDP-103 supports but not ZVox. Basically, Can I expect any better audio than what my current set up has, if so what is best way to connect.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

You might check for opinions in the Soundbar forum, but I suspect the soundbar itself is the limiting factor in audio quality. That set of speakers is not capable of the hifi reproduction that more elaborate system can do. So your choices in the other gear won't make much difference.

I have a Zvox 550. All my sources are connected via HDMI to the display, and the display connected via optical to the soundbar. This allows the TV to act as a simple switch: multiple inputs, one output. I tested the 2-channel RCA output when I first got it and the results seemed much the same as optical.

-Bill
post #2574 of 16420
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Originally Posted by zolta View Post

I am new to this form and am unaware of an analogue over HD audio.

You can say 7.1 input or analog(ue) mch input. That is the same thing. The analog signal goes direct to preamp and amp, withot digital sound processing trying to improve it or to correct your room acoustics.
By HD audio I mean high definition music (SACD, DVD-Audio, Blu-ray's DTS HD MA or DD TruHD, music files 24/96 or 24/192), In this case analog input is even more superior to HDMI than in case of standard definition music (CD, wav files, flac files).

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Originally Posted by zolta View Post

I have found that the 7.1 input on my avr produces much nicer sound than using the hdmi for audio.

I completely agree with you.

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Originally Posted by zolta View Post

The nice thing about the oppo, since it has excellent processors in it, I do not have to get a screaming high end processor, perhaps a slightly used one that will in affect act as a preamp, dealing only with inputs and volume control.

Maybe you don't need a processor (preamp) at all. In his review Andrew Robinson claims that Oppo 103 can serve as it's own AV preamp. He didn't try it, but he "assures us that functionality does exist".
With my earlier post I wanted to inspire someone to try it. Can we find somebody, dear zolta?
post #2575 of 16420
I just upgraded to a 103 from a BDP-83 and while I love this deck, one thing I've noticed is that the player-generated subtitles on the 103 have a slight-but-very-visible issue with video noise. Whereas the 83 generated subtitles that were sharp and smooth to the curve, the 103's subtitles are slightly marred with noise (especially evident on any letter with a curve - "o" being the worst, of course). I've not seen this mentioned anywhere so I wonder, has anyone else noticed this or could it be an issue with my specific machine?
post #2576 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Dizzyboy View Post

I just upgraded to a 103 from a BDP-83 and while I love this deck, one thing I've noticed is that the player-generated subtitles on the 103 have a slight-but-very-visible issue with video noise. Whereas the 83 generated subtitles that were sharp and smooth to the curve, the 103's subtitles are slightly marred with noise (especially evident on any letter with a curve - "o" being the worst, of course). I've not seen this mentioned anywhere so I wonder, has anyone else noticed this or could it be an issue with my specific machine?

Player-generated: you mean from media file text subtitles?

Blu-ray and DVD subtitles are video images and should be the same. If not, that needs investigation.

-Bill
post #2577 of 16420
I mean removable subtitles on blu-ray discs. I'm not sure why it is, but there is video noise apparent on subs when watching a subtitled blu-ray disc (for instance, the Criterion blu-ray of BELLE DE JOUR) that was not evident when played on my BDP-83.
post #2578 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Dizzyboy View Post

I mean removable subtitles on blu-ray discs. I'm not sure why it is, but there is video noise apparent on subs when watching a subtitled blu-ray disc (for instance, the Criterion blu-ray of BELLE DE JOUR) that was not evident when played on my BDP-83.

I haven't noticed it, but if you have examples that demonstrate the effect, get the list to OPPO so they can check it out.

-Bill
post #2579 of 16420
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General instructions on working with ISO image files

Note: These are general instructions on how to burn the firmware CD with common CD burning software. Please consult your CD burning software's help/instruction manual for more detail.

In Nero Burning Rom version 6 or above , go to the 'Recorder > Burn Image' menu and select the ISO image you downloaded.
In Nero Burning ROM version 5 or earlier, just go to Nero Burning ROMs 'File > Burn Image' option and select the ISO image you downloaded.
In Nero Express select the option for 'Disc Image or Saved Project' to select the ISO image file you downloaded and burn to CD.
In Easy CD Creator , go to 'File > Record CD from CD Image' and select the ISO image you downloaded.
In Power2Go , go to 'Burning > Burn Disc Image' and select the ISO image you downloaded.
In ImgBurn, go to 'Write image file to disc' and select the ISO image you downloaded.
In burnatonce, go to 'File > Load New Image...' and select the ISO image you downloaded. Click the "Write" button to burn the CD.

I was reading more info and saw this about firmware.

So I take it that just like the properly burned video_ts on physical disc media that properly burned iso files on physical media will also play in this unit (based on the above quote, I'm not the smartest guy with understanding how all this stuff works). If this is all true, then to confirm for my understanding the only time the oppo has difficulty or unable to play video_ts -or- the iso file types is via the usb port or through some kind of network or remote hard drive correct, and any iso files I have on a physical disc should also play in the 103?

My somewhat limited understanding on how this unit works with different file types previously thought that it would not playback any iso file types.

Thanks again.
post #2580 of 16420
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Originally Posted by ev700401 View Post


I was reading more info and saw this about firmware.

So I take it that just like the properly burned video_ts on physical disc media that properly burned iso files on physical media will also play in this unit (based on the above quote, I'm not the smartest guy with understanding how all this stuff works). If this is all true, then to confirm for my understanding the only time the oppo has difficulty or unable to play video_ts -or- the iso file types is via the usb port or through some kind of network or remote hard drive correct, and any iso files I have on a physical disc should also play in the 103?

My somewhat limited understanding on how this unit works with different file types previously thought that it would not playback any iso file types.

Thanks again.

Yes, that is all correct. People have been doing this for years.

The confusion comes from calling this effort "iso" or "video_ts". When people talk about support for those, they are talking about using them on USB media or some network access.

No one uses those terms when talking about burned optical discs. Those files and directories on optical discs are just normal DVD Video, and the structure is the same for burned and commercial discs.

A footnote on "properly burned": there are different ways to write to optical media. DVD Video requires that you do it correctly, but the standard utilities will do that.

-Bill
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