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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

So..source direct off on the oppo and all video processing turned off on my avr..that way all video processing will be done by the oppo"s superior processing and sent thru the avr bypassing its video straight to my Sony..I just want to make sure I'm getting the best possible picture I can ..thank you

Except you can't be certain that "Bypass" mode in the AVR really stops all video processing... in many cases, the video going into an AVR is not identical to the video coming out of the AVR even when you are in Bypass mode. That's one of the unfortunate side effects of having video processing in AVRs... video processors are incredibly flexible and you don't just drop one in and everything works perfectly. What you get out of a video processor depends entirely on how you implement it... and AVR designers are typically up to their ears in design work to keep new models flowing every year. They simply don't have the time to devote to implementing a video processor as well as it COULD be implemented given the time and resources to fully optimize it. The only way to be certain the processing in the AVR isn't doing anything is to bypass the AVR by using 2 HDMI outputs from the disc player... one to the AVR for sound, the other to the video display for video. If you aren't that concerned, the AVR's Bypass mode typically doesn't do MUCH processing so you aren't likely to see things that are too obvious when the AVR is in Bypass mode... going around the AVR for video is a "purist" thing for those who want to be sure they are getting the most accurate images they can get.
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Originally Posted by seiji View Post

From what I have been reading is that the DAC in the oppo 103 is better that most receivers (ie AV7005, Denon 3313,Rotel 1572) or am I just misunderstanding.

DAC is likely worse, and with the lack of Audyssey in the player, I would pretty much stick with HDMI when using one of these more modern receivers and pre-amplifiers.
post #2643 of 16357
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Originally Posted by seiji View Post

From what I have been reading is that the DAC in the oppo 103 is better that most receivers (ie AV7005, Denon 3313,Rotel 1572) or am I just misunderstanding.
Probably not for the 103 but the 105 is likely a different story. It's the 105 that gets most of the DAC praise.
post #2644 of 16357
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

The Oppo 93 will play mkv files with DTS or DD soundtracks but will not handle DTS-HD MA or TrueHD soundtracks and it ignores Cinavia now and into the future.
As I understand it, the Oppo 103 will play mkv files with DTS-HD MA or TrueHD soundtracks with the latest firmware and whilst it did ignore Cinavia for mkv files, that can't be guaranteed in future.
If being able to ignore Cinavia is your main concern and your mkv files only have plain DTS and DD soundtracks, then the Oppo 93 is the more compatible option. However, most media players will play those same mkv files: the benefit you get from the Oppo is better scaling and possibly more accurate colour output, plus 3D capability and one of the best disc players around with support to match.
thanks for the reply.
How does picture and sound quality of the two compare?
post #2645 of 16357
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I have found that this works for everything but the "Options" button. I can't get my Harmony to learn this command. I have tried several times.

Forget about this. After many tries I finally got the "Option" button to program into my Harmony remote. The Oppo remote is now away in the drawer.
post #2646 of 16357
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Please see this post that was made this evening:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/2610#post_22634913
Although your Samsung display is outside the model range mentioned in the post, it may very well have a similar problem.
Try setting the OPPO to send 1080i to the display instead of 1080p. Also set whatever you are connecting to the HDMI Inputs of the OPPO to 1080i (just for testing purposes).
If that works, but 1080p does not, check the owner's thread for your Samsung display to see if it suffers from the same problem mentioned in the linked post.
Now the first thing to do is make sure the HDMI *OUTPUT* of the OPPO is working well with your display. If that's not working right, then adding the additional complexity of the HDMI Inputs on the OPPO will of course just confuse things further.
Test the HDMI Output of the OPPO using shiny discs (Blu-ray or SD-DVD).
If you are having problems getting good video to your display for those, then focus on fixing that FIRST before you try anything more with the Front HDMI Input.
Give OPPO Tech Support a call with details of how you have things cabled up, and they can walk you through sorting out what's happening. It is unlikely you actually have a faulty OPPO, but if you do, that will become clear pretty fast and they'll take care of it.
Second, you posted above what sounded like a fairly complicated plan for hooking things up. I don't recall the details of what you were trying to do, but WHENEVER you run into connection problems, the first thing to do is SIMPLIFY what you've got hooked up. So first make sure the player is working with your TV and Receiver just as a disc player. Use the simplest set of cabling for that. Only after you know that works should you go back and start adding in the other connections you would like to get working -- one at a time.
By the way, the "Source Direct" you were asking about is a Resolution choice in the OPPO. Select it in the Resolution setting in the Setup menu or by pressing the Resolution button on the Remote and scrolling to the bottom of the list.
GIVEN YOUR CURRENT VIDEO CONNECTION ISSUES I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DO NOT USE "Source Direct" FROM THE OPPO! Instead, set an explicit video output Resolution such as 1080i or 1080p. After you've got things working properly, if you THEN want to go back and experiment with Source Direct output from the OPPO you can do so.
You may also be confusing this with "native" output that has been discussed here with respect to cable and satellite TV boxes -- getting the set top box to automatically output the same video Resolution as is coming in on whatever channel you are currently watching. Each such box will have its own way of selecting that. If THAT is what you are looking for then we'll need to know what model of cable/satellite box you are using. Or check the owner's thread here at AVS for that model of box.
--Bob

I would like to thank you very much for all of your fantastic input. I finally figured this bad boy out and my Harmony remote is basically working perfect now. My video from direct tv is absolutely fantastic now. I'm still not really sure how to bypass the audio from my receiver settings to only use the Oppo but that will be for another day. There is a definite upgrade in video quality because of this bad boy and it does sound fantastic but I'd like to try and use the Oppo for both sound and video to see if it does sound better. My Pioneer is most likely better for sound but I'd like to hear for myself.
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HDMI inputs

Oppo's manager of technical services mr. Plain said in an interview:

"The HDMI inputs are also convenient for small installations such as bedroom system where an A/V receiver may not be needed."

Can somebody please help me understand that statement. Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by Kri View Post

HDMI inputs
Oppo's manager of technical services mr. Plain said in an interview:
"The HDMI inputs are also convenient for small installations such as bedroom system where an A/V receiver may not be needed."
Can somebody please help me understand that statement. Thanks in advance.

I would think that he is assuming direct audio and video connection to the TV from the Oppo using HDMI1. All other equipment in the room having HDMI output could be attached to the Oppo's HDMI inputs thereby requiring only one HDMI cable from the Oppo to the TV.
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Originally Posted by Kri View Post

HDMI inputs
Oppo's manager of technical services mr. Plain said in an interview:
"The HDMI inputs are also convenient for small installations such as bedroom system where an A/V receiver may not be needed."
Can somebody please help me understand that statement. Thanks in advance.

I think what he means is that in that situation you may get away without needing an AV Receiver at all.

Our living room system is now:

Panasonic Plasma
Motorola Digital Cable Box (TV)
Oppo BDP-93 (plus Roku Stick)
5 powered speakers+1 powered sub.
Music server (DLNA) in the basement

that's it.

Hdmi connects the Digital Cable box to the Oppo
post #2650 of 16357
FEDEX delivered my 103 this morning and I already have it up and running! So far this thing is truly everything it has been bragged up to be.
post #2651 of 16357
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Originally Posted by Hubertoliver View Post

FEDEX delivered my 103 this morning and I already have it up and running! So far this thing is truly everything it has been bragged up to be.

Congrats on your purchase! smile.gif

I love mine as well. The load time is super fast compared to my previous Sony 550

I also noticed the audio is more detailed especially with surround effects
post #2652 of 16357
I would be surprised if this did not make products of the year it is truly the best player for the money out there.
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

I would be surprised if this did not make products of the year it is truly the best player for the money out there.

Oppo won for both the 83 and 93. its very possible.

Jacob
post #2654 of 16357
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Originally Posted by purplerain84 View Post

I also noticed the audio is more detailed especially with surround effects

I have seen this comment a few times on this forum, getting better audio with the 103 compared to other players. But I wish someone could explain how could that be. I thought that two players hooked up using HDMI to the same equipment would produce identical audio quality. I thought the audio bitstream coming out of a disk is sent identically for any player using HDMI since we are in the digital realm. If it where analog that would be a different matter entirely, but not digital. Don't get me wrong, I would be glad to be able to say my 103 gives a better audio performance than my 100$ Sony player, I just can't see technically where that difference would come from. Hopefully someone can enlightened me.
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LPCM could be different via HDMI. If it is LPCM then the Oppo is decoding it. The identical sound would only be when bitstreaming from the Oppo. In that case the AVR or pre/pro would be doing the processing and there should be no difference. It is possible that the 103's decoding is better than some AVRs and LPCM would be superior over HDMI.
post #2656 of 16357
When you play music, the playback process is continuous and anything affecting timing of the digital bits makes an audible difference. Movie sound is interleaved with movie video, buffered, and sync'd with the images for display. Digital music playback is NOT bits-is-bits. Digital movie playback is absolutely bits-is-bits for images (movies are a series of still images, not a continuous motion event). When playing music, bits are converted to analog audio continuously. Timing errors as small as a few hundred picoseconds translate to measurable distortion in the analog output signal. Time is an analog thing that can never be digitized. Playing movies very nearly completely eliminates "time" from the playback equation (1/60th of a second (per frame) is a LONG LONG LONG time in the world of digital events). If you want to investigate just how time alters analog music playback, search for the proof done by Dr. Malcolm Omar Hawksford in the 1990s... he published a mathematical proof that was confirmed with new measurement equipment that followed his work by a few years. Movie sound has the whole interleave/buffering thing that helps isolate it from some of the playback issues and the extra channels also tend to obscure small differences you might hear with stereo-only playback. It's not that there are NO differences with movie sound, it's more an issue that they differences are so small, you really have to concentrate and do multiple comparisons to hear them... making them essentially inconsequential if you are watching a movie one time. In the analog domain, everything matters and everything makes differences (sometimes tiny, sometimes big). In the digital world... if the event is truly digital with NO analog component (like time), it's fairly difficult to mess-up digital. Transferring a song around the world is not time or timing sensitive... you get the same bits at the receiving end that the sender has. When you PLAY the song and convert the "perfect" digital to analog... time is an inescapable analog element that DOES matter... quite a lot as it turns out.
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Thanks guys! That helps understanding it. That's the kind of technical explanation I love about this forum..
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hey guys, can you 103 owner's who watch 3D please tell me if the 103 can increase the depth of 3D films. (Not 2D to 3D conversion). What I mean is, can it take a 3D movie that is already in 3D, and increase the apparent depth of the movie?
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Thread Starter 
Not for Frame Packed 3D films. This is a product request I made to OPPO many many months ago because the JVC DLA-RS50 is some of the worst cross talk I have ever seen in a display, so it is absolutely necessary that I can adjust the depth of field to tame the 3D image. They are looking into it, but no guarantees.
post #2660 of 16357
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Not for Frame Packed 3D films. This is a product request I made to OPPO many many months ago because the JVC DLA-RS50 is some of the worst cross talk I have ever seen in a display, so it is absolutely necessary that I can adjust the depth of field to tame the 3D image. They are looking into it, but no guarantees.
thanks. it seems like the 103 should have the capability since it can do it with its 2D to 3D conversion. it'd be cool if a firmware update could add the feature to its 3D somehow.
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Just a comment, the wife pulled out our old flip video hd tonight and I said let's watch it in theater. I didn't know how it would work, plugged it right into front USB and went to menu and kablammo we were watching super sharp crystal clear vids of my daughter as a baby up until now almost 4 yrs. it worked flawlessly and got a few points with the wifey watching on 100" screen in theater lol.

And a question, when can we see an app for apple products?? My ipad wants to be friends with the 103
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We would like to know about optimal connections between the Oppo 103 and an Anthem D2 system with ARC. How are users of both pieces of electronics setting up their audio and video? Our display is a Kuro.

Thanks
-Brian
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Oppo BDP-103 (PCmag.com) 4.5/5
Will Greenwald - November 29th, 2012
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The Oppo BDP-103 is just like its predecessor: big, expensive, and, well, excellent. It adds 2D-to-3D conversion, 4K upscaling, MHL HDMI inputs, and a handful of other features to an already top-notch high-end Blu-ray player that can handle any format you throw at it. It's pricey at $500, but if you want a player that can do everything and really complement your complicated home theater system, this is the one to beat, replacing the BDP-93 as our Editors' Choice for high-end Blu-ray players.
post #2664 of 16357
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Originally Posted by BrianJB7 View Post

We would like to know about optimal connections between the Oppo 103 and an Anthem D2 system with ARC. How are users of both pieces of electronics setting up their audio and video? Our display is a Kuro.

Thanks
-Brian

Brian:

 

I have a similar setup like your except that i have the 95 with my D2v and a Pioneer Kuro display. I suggest the following.

 

1.  Set your Kuro to dot-to-dot mode if you haven't already and have it calibrated obviously.

 

2.  Set its color space to RGB as well as the color space for the 103.

 

3.  I personally connect the 6 analogs and HDMI ports from the Oppo into the D2v. Your analog preferences might be different.

 

4.  The default settings from the Oppo work just fine, Just change the color space to rgb as already described above.

 

5.  The D2 doesn't accept DSD streams so set the audio settings to LPCM for SACD's.

 

There are many other user options one could play with but the above will get you settled quickly. You can play with other settings as your leisure afterwards.

 

- David

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Has anyone had a chance to compare Vudu's 3D PQ with Comcast's VOD 3D??? Comcast's 3D movies look really horrible, so I was hoping that the 103 and Vudu could be a good alternative. The only other problem is that from what I remember, Vudu's 3D library was pretty scarce.
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^ At the moment, VUDU is listing 60 titles in their "3D Collection". Of course some of these are pretty lame: "The Best of Abu Dhabi Hotels in 3D".
--Bob
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Just bought this BDP-103 a couple weeks ago, and I am simply thrilled with it! I previously had the BDP-83, and this thing is a major step up! I noticed the picture improvement immediately on a couple Blu-rays I played.
I bought this because I'm buying a Panasonic VT50 next week an wanted the best Blu-ray player to go with it.
I read about the MHL Input, but didn't think I would care much about it. I was WRONG! I plugged my HTPC into the MHL port and after a week of watching, and am blown away at the improved picture. It might be my imagination, but it seems like the MHL input learns as time passes. The picture appears to have improved after a few days of use and the clarity is top notch. You might think I'm nuts, but to me, this alone was worth the $500!
The dual HDMI outputs are a very welcome addition, and audio sync seems perfect to me when using the two.
Have not tried any 3D features yet, but will when my VT50 is setup.

The only CONS I have with this is the occasional lockup of the player when starting a Netflix movie. I would say about 10% of the time, it will just lock up right after the netflix progress bar goes away (just as the stream should start). Hitting the power button on the Oppo does nothing in most cases, but it usually powers off up to a minute later. Then, except for one case, Netflix will work okay. I used to use Netflix on the Roku and never experienced this kind of issue, but prefer to use the player's Netflix app due to the superior image quality. Just bummed about the lockups.
I have also had this problem when switching to the MHL Input one time that I can remember. I have not yet tested Vudu, but plan to after new tv arrives.
I'm hopeful that this is just a firmware issue and Oppo is aware and working on it.

Otherwise, AWESOME product!! Thanks Oppo!
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Originally Posted by AKJohnny View Post

The only CONS I have with this is the occasional lockup of the player when starting a Netflix movie. I would say about 10% of the time, it will just lock up right after the netflix progress bar goes away (just as the stream should start). Hitting the power button on the Oppo does nothing in most cases, but it usually powers off up to a minute later. Then, except for one case, Netflix will work okay. I used to use Netflix on the Roku and never experienced this kind of issue, but prefer to use the player's Netflix app due to the superior image quality. Just bummed about the lockups.

This is a known issue that has always existed with the Netflix app, but it appears to be specific to the AV system, possibly related to handshakes or HDCP. Please write up your specifics and send to Oppo, including what you're connected to and how. The power-off will always work but it takes a minute to kick in. This is a fail-safe feature of the player and is needed to ensure as graceful as possible unloading of the player's OS. Be patient.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This is a known issue that has always existed with the Netflix app, but it appears to be specific to the AV system, possibly related to handshakes or HDCP. Please write up your specifics and send to Oppo, including what you're connected to and how. The power-off will always work but it takes a minute to kick in. This is a fail-safe feature of the player and is needed to ensure as graceful as possible unloading of the player's OS. Be patient.

Thanks. I'll send them my specifics. I use the dual split hdmi for vid/audio, so if it's a video handshake (going to my current tv), then that may be corrected with the new tv. If it's an audio handshake to the AVR, then I'll probably continue to experience it even after the new tv.
Either way, the more info they have, the better. I'll send the info in.
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Originally Posted by BrianJB7 View Post

We would like to know about optimal connections between the Oppo 103 and an Anthem D2 system with ARC. How are users of both pieces of electronics setting up their audio and video? Our display is a Kuro.
Thanks
-Brian

If you have the newer D2v with HDMI, use an HDMI connection. If you have an older model without HDMI, you have a choice of coax (send LPCM only over this to avoid losing resolution). Or analog. If you select analog inputs, and you do ANY processing in the D2, the analog will be converted to digital (again), processed, then converted back to analog. That does cause an inescapable fidelity loss... it's not huge, but it is there. If you WANT to use ARC with the 103, you would HAVE to re-digitize the analog input signal for processing. The only way to avoid digitizing analog sound from the 103 is to use the Anthem's bypass/direct mode. If you do that, none of the corrections the D2 does will be applied and you'll have only the (limited) settings in the 103 to get the most out of your surround system. There's nothing unique about using the 103 with the D2 processor, you'd have the same situation with any Blu-ray player... if it has multi-channel analog outputs. The one advantage you have with the 103 is all the settings the 103 has for the analog outputs (crossover, speaker size, speaker distance, etc.). With a D2 (lacking HDMI inputs), if you decide to use 5.1 or 7.1 analog connections, you may want to consider the 105 with it's higher quality analog audio section... that's the only performance difference between the players. And the quality of the analog interconnects does matter so 3 or 4 pair of good-sounding audio interconnects can get pricey if you don't already have cables.
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