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post #2671 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

You can likely get rid of the handshake issues by using both HDMI outs if you aren't already.

I thought of this, but the Oppo manual said using HDMI is for when you have an A/V receive that doesn't support 3D. Since I have a Yamaha RX-V673 which does support 3D, I didn't think it would make a difference.

My HDTV is an LG 55LW6500 - is there any known issues with it receiving video directly from the BDP-103? I ask because I've seen some manufacturers/models having issues with jitter and stuff.

Also, this still doesn't fix the abhorrent sync issues. I've finally got it stablized with the latest Oppo firmware but not after a delay of 240ms.
post #2672 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

If you have the newer D2v with HDMI, use an HDMI connection. If you have an older model without HDMI, you have a choice of coax (send LPCM only over this to avoid losing resolution). .

All D2s have HDMI the D1 was the last model without HDMI. The original D2 is limited to PCM and 5.1 channels over HDMI i.e. no Hi res bit streaming but PCM out of the Oppo works fine with the D2.
post #2673 of 16434
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Originally Posted by jrutz View Post

I thought of this, but the Oppo manual said using HDMI is for when you have an A/V receive that doesn't support 3D. Since I have a Yamaha RX-V673 which does support 3D, I didn't think it would make a difference.
My HDTV is an LG 55LW6500 - is there any known issues with it receiving video directly from the BDP-103? I ask because I've seen some manufacturers/models having issues with jitter and stuff.
Also, this still doesn't fix the abhorrent sync issues. I've finally got it stablized with the latest Oppo firmware but not after a delay of 240ms.

My suggestion was just to try the 2 HDMI connections at the same time and see what happens. Can't hurt to try it.
post #2674 of 16434
Do I lose any audio or video fidelity by using Dual Display out for the 2 HDMI outputs?

What I want to do is have HDMI 2 for SACD and concert bluray, while HDMI 1 is used for movies, both 2D and 3D.

To do this I must run each Oppo HDMI output to a different input on my AVR.

Is there any downside to this setup?

I would run everything through HDMI 1, but I want to be able to use different input settings for music vs. movies on my AVR.

Thanks.
post #2675 of 16434
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Probably not for the 103 but the 105 is likely a different story. It's the 105 that gets most of the DAC praise.

I would agree...I sent back my Oppo 103 and looks like I am keeping a 105 I bought to compare. I actually never really compared them, out of the box the Oppo 105 was better than the 103 at least for two channel audio.
post #2676 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I have a full 1 TB drive on my Oppo and it seems like seconds.

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Thumb drives are notoriously slow, but on a HDD it would be over in a few seconds or less. The number of files and depth of folder structures have more to do with it than the total size.

So I can get very fast indexing even with a flash drive, at least on my 9. On the 93, , the tracks are listed in alphabetic order. I have tracks labelled at Track# Track Name. So, if I select a given artist, I get lots of 01 tracks, followed by a lot of 02 tracks, etc. So, how do you organize your albums and tracks to avoid this? Or, how do I get to a specific album? I do not see a way to step down into a tree to get at a specific album. My 103 will be delivered shortly. Is the navigation to individual albums better on the 103? I usually use J RIver and navigation is easy. Am I missing something here? Thanks.
post #2677 of 16434
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Originally Posted by RSTide View Post

Do I lose any audio or video fidelity by using Dual Display out for the 2 HDMI outputs?
What I want to do is have HDMI 2 for SACD and concert bluray, while HDMI 1 is used for movies, both 2D and 3D.
To do this I must run each Oppo HDMI output to a different input on my AVR.
Is there any downside to this setup?
I would run everything through HDMI 1, but I want to be able to use different input settings for music vs. movies on my AVR.
Thanks.

You would use the "Split" option for that setup.
I'd expect that your AVR has setup options that allow you to have more than one setup for a single HDMI input. Which would make the 2-cable hookup unnecessary. With my Yamaha AVR I use the "SCENE" setup options for just that scenario.
post #2678 of 16434
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Originally Posted by dtc View Post

So I can get very fast indexing even with a flash drive, at least on my 9. On the 93, , the tracks are listed in alphabetic order. I have tracks labelled at Track# Track Name. So, if I select a given artist, I get lots of 01 tracks, followed by a lot of 02 tracks, etc. So, how do you organize your albums and tracks to avoid this? Or, how do I get to a specific album? I do not see a way to step down into a tree to get at a specific album. My 103 will be delivered shortly. Is the navigation to individual albums better on the 103? I usually use J RIver and navigation is easy. Am I missing something here? Thanks.

Folder browsing is the first and default choice in the 103. If the files are tagged, there are more options for browsing by artist, genre, etc.
post #2679 of 16434
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Folder browsing is the first and default choice in the 103. If the files are tagged, there are more options for browsing by artist, genre, etc.

Thanks. I will wait for my 103 and try it there. Should be here soon.
post #2680 of 16434
Just ordered a 103:eek: I know I will have a lot of questions. This forum helped me in making my decision to buy. I'm feeling overwhelmed just thinking about all the things this player can do and trying to figure the best way to set it up.
post #2681 of 16434
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You would use the "Split" option for that setup.
I'd expect that your AVR has setup options that allow you to have more than one setup for a single HDMI input. Which would make the 2-cable hookup unnecessary. With my Yamaha AVR I use the "SCENE" setup options for just that scenario.

If my AVR has that capability (denon 4520), I can't find it. There is nothing analogous to Yamaha scenes.

When I split AV I get no audio when watching a movie.
post #2682 of 16434
OK, I'm still playing with settings for sound using my Yamaha V663 receiver. I've changed the Oppo 103 HDMI out to LPCM and my Yamaha now shows it's getting LPCM. The Oppo display shows HD sound, the Yamaha display shows LPCM. So, my question is, am I getting HD sound decoded by the Oppo being transmitted to and through the Yamaha, or is the Yamaha creating a non-HD signal? I'm using Source Direct on the Yamaha. When I had the Oppo set to bitstream, the Yamaha would show HD sound on its display. Now it simply says LPCM. I'm assuming that my Oppo HD sound is being sent through the Yamaha already decoded and that is why the LPCM on the Yamaha display. Is that correct? Thanks.
post #2683 of 16434
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

I'm assuming that my Oppo HD sound is being sent through the Yamaha already decoded and that is why the LPCM on the Yamaha display. Is that correct? Thanks.
Yup.
post #2684 of 16434
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Originally Posted by RSTide View Post

If my AVR has that capability (denon 4520), I can't find it. There is nothing analogous to Yamaha scenes.
When I split AV I get no audio when watching a movie.

Suggest asking in the appropriate Denon forum, I'm sure it has capabilities.

When 2 HDMI connections exist, "Split" is the only option that will give you HD audio. When only one HDMI connection exists, the setting has no effect.
post #2685 of 16434
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Originally Posted by RSTide View Post

If my AVR has that capability (denon 4520), I can't find it. There is nothing analogous to Yamaha scenes.
When I split AV I get no audio when watching a movie.
Take a look at the "Quick Select" feature on your 4520 - depending on just how different you want your settings, this may do the trick for you. Otherwise, Denon receivers don't allow one to assign the same HDMI input to more than 1 input source, which is unfortunate as it would be useful at times. Depending on exactly what you want to do, it's possible you may find that how the Denon remembers surround modes for each input format might also be sufficient for your needs. If this doesn't get you to where you want to be, it would be best to post in 4520 thread over in the receiver forum.
Edited by gsr - 11/30/12 at 9:30pm
post #2686 of 16434
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Yup.

Thanks. Sounds better than when I bitstream to the Yamaha.
post #2687 of 16434
I've got a problem that I believe I have narrowed down to the BDP-103.

There are times when no sound is being transmitted by the player to my receiver. The only way I can resolve it is to change inputs on the receiver to another device and then back again to the player. Then sound comes back.

Here is more background: I've got a new Yamaha RX-A820, and it shows which speakers are active with lights on the front panel. When I put a disk in the 103, the lights on the receiver may or may not light up during the menus and then the movie. No lights, no sould. I have tried many things, and one that I *thought* did the trick was turning on the 103 several seconds later than the receiver. That seems to take care of the sound during the menus, but when the movie starts, the lights go out and I've got no sould. I'm thinking it's a HDMI handshake issue between the two, and since it doesn't happen on any of my other devices (Wii U, Roku, DVR) I'm thinking that it's 103 specific. Although to be fair, the Yamaha is new as well. I could be barking up the wrong tree.

On the 103 I'm currently bitstreaming and have secondary audio on. I'm going to start fiddling with various settings tomorrow, and trying further delays between device startup (I've got a Harmony remote) in the hopes that this fixes the issue.

Any thoughts I things I could try?
post #2688 of 16434
^ Try HDMI Audio LPCM.
--Bob
post #2689 of 16434
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Originally Posted by GlennJames View Post

I've got a problem that I believe I have narrowed down to the BDP-103.
There are times when no sound is being transmitted by the player to my receiver. The only way I can resolve it is to change inputs on the receiver to another device and then back again to the player. Then sound comes back.
Here is more background: I've got a new Yamaha RX-A820, and it shows which speakers are active with lights on the front panel. When I put a disk in the 103, the lights on the receiver may or may not light up during the menus and then the movie. No lights, no sould. I have tried many things, and one that I *thought* did the trick was turning on the 103 several seconds later than the receiver. That seems to take care of the sound during the menus, but when the movie starts, the lights go out and I've got no sould. I'm thinking it's a HDMI handshake issue between the two, and since it doesn't happen on any of my other devices (Wii U, Roku, DVR) I'm thinking that it's 103 specific. Although to be fair, the Yamaha is new as well. I could be barking up the wrong tree.
On the 103 I'm currently bitstreaming and have secondary audio on. I'm going to start fiddling with various settings tomorrow, and trying further delays between device startup (I've got a Harmony remote) in the hopes that this fixes the issue.
Any thoughts I things I could try?

HDMI handshaking is an end-to-end event. Assuming you use only one HDMI connect to the player, the player, AVR and TV are all handshaking all the time. It's easy to point fingers at one device, but they are all part of the puzzle.
Most folks here will suggest turning Secondary Audio off. I'd also suggest swapping HDMI cables just to rule out that possibility. Make sure all the video output settings are explicit, no "auto". And turn Deep Color off.
post #2690 of 16434
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Originally Posted by dtc View Post

So I can get very fast indexing even with a flash drive, at least on my 9. On the 93, , the tracks are listed in alphabetic order. I have tracks labelled at Track# Track Name. So, if I select a given artist, I get lots of 01 tracks, followed by a lot of 02 tracks, etc. So, how do you organize your albums and tracks to avoid this? Or, how do I get to a specific album? I do not see a way to step down into a tree to get at a specific album. My 103 will be delivered shortly. Is the navigation to individual albums better on the 103? I usually use J RIver and navigation is easy. Am I missing something here? Thanks.

I arrange like this:

Folder : Artist Name (Last, First). The folders should display in alphabetical order thereby giving a list of artists in alphabetical order by last name.

Within the Artist folders I have Album Folders: XX - Album Name were XX is a number representing the order of the album (release order) within the artist's catalogue. The album folders should display from 01 down in numerical order.

Within each Album folder I have the tracks on that album: Each track is numbered XX - Track name. XX is the order of the track within the album. The tracks should display from 01 down in numerical order.

I also fully tag all of the tracks including album covers.
post #2691 of 16434
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Take a look at the "Quick Select" feature on your 4520 - depending on just how different you want your settings, this may do the trick for you. Otherwise, Denon receivers don't allow one to assign the same HDMI input to more than 1 input source, which is unfortunate as it would be useful at times. Depending on exactly what you want to do, it's possible you may find that how the Denon remembers surround modes for each input format might also be sufficient for your needs. If this doesn't get you to where you want to be, it would be best to post in 4520 thread over in the receiver forum.

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Suggest asking in the appropriate Denon forum, I'm sure it has capabilities.
When 2 HDMI connections exist, "Split" is the only option that will give you HD audio. When only one HDMI connection exists, the setting has no effect.

Thanks for the input guys.

The Quick Select feature on the Denon is a no go because it does not save the Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume settings. This is my main reason for wanting to do dual Oppo outputs, 1 for movies and 1 for music.

Regarding HD audio, I am able to bitstream DTS HD-MSTR according to the AVR. No DSD with SACD though, but I happy to decode DSD to PCM on the Oppo.

Loss of HD audio was my main concern in doing the Dual AV out on the Oppo, but it seems like I'm getting HD audio through both Oppo outputs, at least according to my AVR information.
post #2692 of 16434
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You might check for opinions in the Soundbar forum, but I suspect the soundbar itself is the limiting factor in audio quality. That set of speakers is not capable of the hifi reproduction that more elaborate system can do. So your choices in the other gear won't make much difference.
I have a Zvox 550. All my sources are connected via HDMI to the display, and the display connected via optical to the soundbar. This allows the TV to act as a simple switch: multiple inputs, one output. I tested the 2-channel RCA output when I first got it and the results seemed much the same as optical.
-Bill

Thanks wmcclain. I connected it exactly the same way. I was trying to see if that is best I could with my current configuration which it looks like. Thanks
post #2693 of 16434
Does anyone know if what are the drivers for Wireless adapter to use with Windows? Windows 7 is not automatically able to detect the drivers. Thanks.
post #2694 of 16434
There shouldn't be any drivers involved. Have you enabled all the proper permissions in Windows 7 and made sure that W7's networking is aware of the player?
post #2695 of 16434
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

There shouldn't be any drivers involved. Have you enabled all the proper permissions in Windows 7 and made sure that W7's networking is aware of the player?
Sorry. My question wasn't clear. I took the wireless adapter and plugged it into a windows desktop and use it a wirless card for windows machine. Windows 7 didn't automatically install the drivers.

Anyway, I found this page and was able to download and install proper drivers for windows. If anyone else needs it, here is the link

http://www.wikidevi.com/wiki/OPPO_Digital_A103

I can confirm that the drivers for RT5370 work with windows 7.
post #2696 of 16434
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Originally Posted by msr999 View Post

Does anyone know if what are the drivers for Wireless adapter to use with Windows? Windows 7 is not automatically able to detect the drivers. Thanks.

There are no drivers to install. I assume you are not plugging the adapter in your PC, it is intended to be plugged in the Oppo.

I am using my 103 to read files from my PC through wireless. I can help you get this working. It is possible for the Oppo to see shared directories of your PC, navigate through them and play files from them. It is actually wounderfull, but requires a bit of setting up. If you give more details about what you have already done and what you are trying, I will gladly help you set things up the best I can.

First thing you will need though, is to create a user account on your PC. The Oppo needs an account to access your PC.
post #2697 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I arrange like this:
Folder : Artist Name (Last, First). The folders should display in alphabetical order thereby giving a list of artists in alphabetical order by last name.
Within the Artist folders I have Album Folders: XX - Album Name were XX is a number representing the order of the album (release order) within the artist's catalogue. The album folders should display from 01 down in numerical order.
Within each Album folder I have the tracks on that album: Each track is numbered XX - Track name. XX is the order of the track within the album. The tracks should display from 01 down in numerical order.
I also fully tag all of the tracks including album covers.

Thanks. That is exactly the structure I have (without the dash), so I am pretty confident this will work fine. I am setting this up for a friend who should have the 103 in hand shortly. The handling of usb music seems to be greatly improved from the 93. Thanks for your help.
post #2698 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Try HDMI Audio LPCM.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Most folks here will suggest turning Secondary Audio off. I'd also suggest swapping HDMI cables just to rule out that possibility. Make sure all the video output settings are explicit, no "auto". And turn Deep Color off.

Deep color was always off, every output setting was explicit. Changing cables had no effect. I also reset the remote to eliminate the delays between turning on the devices.

With secondary on, I would only get menu sounds. With secondary off, I would get nothing.

Changing to LPCM and secondary off did the trick. I now get menu and movie sounds. Further investigation will have to wait a couple of weeks until I have more time to fiddle with the system. I would like to change inputs on the receiver to see if that helps, add back in the delays, maybe upgrade to the beta firmware on the 103. It is odd why I can't bitstream.
Edited by GlennJames - 12/1/12 at 10:58am
post #2699 of 16434
Alright, so I've encountered some more problems. First major problem is when I have my receivers output going into the TV, I get a lot of flickering regardless of whether or not I have my TV's input on the receiver's output or the Oppo's output. That shouldn't be a problem though, right? I still have things going through my receiver such as an xbox so I need to use the receiver to the TV.

Another problem I have is no sound coming from the receiver at times. I read above about setting the audio to LPCM rather than auto so maybe that will fix it. Will setting it to LPCM still give me HD audio though?

The HDMI input on the front of the Oppo is not working anymore? I've tried multiple devices with the Oppo and nothing and then tried them directly to the TV and they work fine. This may be something I will have to contact Oppo about and I have a bad feeling it is actually broken.
post #2700 of 16434
Yes, using PCM gets you high-res audio... it's actually BETTER to use PCM than to bitstream TrueHD or DTS-HD MA because in PCM format, the disc player can add secondary sound effects like menu sounds, voice-overs (commentary tracks), and some of the disc's pop-up video features (if any). So you can use all the discs features if you use PCM while using TrueHD or DTS-HD MA bitstreaming eliminates any possibility of adding secondary audio.
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