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post #2971 of 16418
If you have anything else attached to the player, such as HDMI Input or a disk drive, try disconnecting all that so that the ONLY connections to the player are power and the Analog outs to the amp.

I'm presuming you have nothing else connected to that amp (other than power and the speaker wires), but if you do, disconnect that now as well.
--Bob
post #2972 of 16418
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Originally Posted by punter45 View Post

I would like to know if anyone has successfully used the 103 or 105 as a preamp. Reading through the forums, I have not seen anyone that is using the units in this way.

FWIW, the 93 as a preamp with my setup is dead quiet. The speakers sound as if they are "off." No hiss or audible anything. IMO Oppo has done a very good job with the volume control--the adjustments are fine across a broad useable range.
post #2973 of 16418
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Originally Posted by variable audio View Post

FWIW, the 93 as a preamp with my setup is dead quiet. The speakers sound as if they are "off." No hiss or audible anything. IMO Oppo has done a very good job with the volume control--the adjustments are fine across a broad useable range.
How do you do that? The 93 has no inputs.
post #2974 of 16418
I think I have a bad unit. I pulled the unit out of my AV system all together, pulled out 2 mono amps, and just hooked up the front L/R channels to the separate amps, plopped in a blu ray concert, and the hiss is still there (seems even louder). I switched back to an SACD, and the variable volume control doesn't work at all now. I had it on 0 and pushed it to 1, and WOW -- went to full volume, scared the beejeebies out of me (thought for sure I was going to blow a speaker). I went back in and verified the output volume is set to variable, and it is. I guess this is good news in a way -- hopefully I can still use the 103 as a preamp if I get a good unit.
post #2975 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Clark Burk View Post

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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

You may well see improvements with DVDs depending on how your system is configured. Panasonics from that range were notoriously poor at de-interlacing and the 103 would do much better job unless you are currently already outputting everything from your devices at 720p or 1080p and thereby avoiding any upscaling being done by the Panny. What the 103 would give you is the ability to plug your DVR and XBox into it and use it for video processing. If your current receiver is doing your video processing and you are happy with it, then the previous advice about sticking with what you have would apply.
He's using a DMP-BDT500 which is their latest high end blu ray player. Very good SD playback. True about the DVR and XBox into the HDMI inputs. I would save up for an upgrade on the TV or AVR. The new VT50's are big step up from his current plasma. Sorry about the side track. Back to discussion of the awesome 103!!

Thank you both, Clark & Jazz. Appreciate your replies. As the Pio SC05 was 2nd highest AVR at its time, that is staying for awhile. The plasma may someday get replaced, if or when I can get a real job again, and top priority. I don't use it for any scaling, everything sent to it is via HDMI out of the SC05, which in turn does no processing on the HDMI signals coming into it from the DVR or Xbox, which is already sent as 1080i (DVR) and 1080p (Xbox).

What my true questions should really be:

1) would I see a huge ($200 worth) difference in DVD upscaling benefit buying the 103 over the Panny 500?

2) would I see any major PQ difference with the HDMI signals passing through my SC05 (for HDMI switching) to the 103 via the AVR's HDMI out, and then from the 103 to the tv? Wondering if the QDEO chip would even touch those signals, as they are already in the 1080 range? Maybe the DVR's 1080i made into 1080p perhaps? Or maybe setting both to the 480 range, and let the 103 do the upscaling?

3) does the QDEO chip do any processing on the streaming output like NetFlix, VuDu, or others?

To put it somewhat into perspective - awhile back during the HD DVD vs BD days, I had an LG combo player. It had a QDEO chip in it. The PQ was mind blowing, jaw dropping. Instant love. But that player was junk, buggy as hell, so sadly dumped it. No other player had the QDEO chip in it, and only when I got the Pio Elite 23fd did the PQ come close. But now that stopped being able to play a lot of the latest released BD movies (still plays all my older ones though). I used my PS3 for awhile, but wanted better. Trouble is, I want the 103, but alas, am more at the Panny 500 budget at the moment. And if there is no huge benefits for that extra $200 price difference, then will stay where I am for now. Just have to say that in the past, that QDEO chip was amazing, and why I like your 103's.
post #2976 of 16418
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Originally Posted by punter45 View Post

I think I have a bad unit. I pulled the unit out of my AV system all together, pulled out 2 mono amps, and just hooked up the front L/R channels to the separate amps, plopped in a blu ray concert, and the hiss is still there (seems even louder). I switched back to an SACD, and the variable volume control doesn't work at all now. I had it on 0 and pushed it to 1, and WOW -- went to full volume, scared the beejeebies out of me (thought for sure I was going to blow a speaker). I went back in and verified the output volume is set to variable, and it is. I guess this is good news in a way -- hopefully I can still use the 103 as a preamp if I get a good unit.

For the SACD, check that you have SACD Output PCM set.

Anyway, OPPO will sort it out for you. Update them on what you found with the unit in the simplified hookup.
--Bob
post #2977 of 16418
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky View Post

Thank you both, Clark & Jazz. Appreciate your replies. As the Pio SC05 was 2nd highest AVR at its time, that is staying for awhile. The plasma may someday get replaced, if or when I can get a real job again, and top priority. I don't use it for any scaling, everything sent to it is via HDMI out of the SC05, which in turn does no processing on the HDMI signals coming into it from the DVR or Xbox, which is already sent as 1080i (DVR) and 1080p (Xbox).
What my true questions should really be:
1) would I see a huge ($200 worth) difference in DVD upscaling benefit buying the 103 over the Panny 500?
2) would I see any major PQ difference with the HDMI signals passing through my SC05 (for HDMI switching) to the 103 via the AVR's HDMI out, and then from the 103 to the tv? Wondering if the QDEO chip would even touch those signals, as they are already in the 1080 range? Maybe the DVR's 1080i made into 1080p perhaps? Or maybe setting both to the 480 range, and let the 103 do the upscaling?
3) does the QDEO chip do any processing on the streaming output like NetFlix, VuDu, or others?
To put it somewhat into perspective - awhile back during the HD DVD vs BD days, I had an LG combo player. It had a QDEO chip in it. The PQ was mind blowing, jaw dropping. Instant love. But that player was junk, buggy as hell, so sadly dumped it. No other player had the QDEO chip in it, and only when I got the Pio Elite 23fd did the PQ come close. But now that stopped being able to play a lot of the latest released BD movies (still plays all my older ones though). I used my PS3 for awhile, but wanted better. Trouble is, I want the 103, but alas, am more at the Panny 500 budget at the moment. And if there is no huge benefits for that extra $200 price difference, then will stay where I am for now. Just have to say that in the past, that QDEO chip was amazing, and why I like your 103's.

It seems like you are really eager to get a 103. My advice is to go ahead and order a 103 and compare it in your system against the Panasonic and decide for yourself if the 103 is worth the difference in price. If you find that it's not worth the difference Oppo has a 30 day return policy.
post #2978 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Check your firmware version numbers again. I suspect you reloaded the Official firmware and have forgotten.
Setup > Video Setup > 3D Setting > Blank HDMI 2 is definitely present in the Public Beta 1205B firmware for the 103/105.
--Bob

Thanks bob. I did this and now it will play sound. Now i have another issue.

I was playing transformers 3 and the dolby tru hd was cutting in and out. Sounded like my avr was choking, but when I switched to dolby digital it played fine. Any idea?

PS im also chris6878.(damn facebook login)
Edited by Charles Whiting - 12/8/12 at 3:33pm
post #2979 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Charles Whiting View Post

Thanks bob. I did this and now it will play sound. Now i have another issue.
I was playing transformers 3 and the dolby tru hd was cutting in and out. Sounded like my avr was choking, but when I switched to dolby digital it played fine. Any idea?
PS im also chris6878.(damn facebook login)

^^^^I set the oppo to lpcm and it played the audio correctly. I then set it to bitstream and It sounded like it did when it was set to auto. It sounds like my surrounds are making small popping/static sounds. Again this doesnt happen on lpcm.

Thanks
post #2980 of 16418
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Originally Posted by chris6878 View Post

^^^^I set the oppo to lpcm and it played the audio correctly. I then set it to bitstream and It sounded like it did when it was set to auto. It sounds like my surrounds are making small popping/static sounds. Again this doesnt happen on lpcm.
Thanks

What's your AVR? Try downloading the FW again and reinstall. During reinstall there will be three parts.
post #2981 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

What's your AVR? Try downloading the FW again and reinstall. During reinstall there will be three parts.

I have the pioneer vsx-92thx. I downloaded from then oppo site to my flash drive and updated that way. Should do the reinstall again?

Also, I just noticed transformers is Dolby tru and avengers is dts master audio. On my avr I have to set oppo to lpcm to play but with dts master I can set the oppo to auto and it plays perfect. What gives?
post #2982 of 16418
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Originally Posted by chris6878 View Post

I have the pioneer vsx-92thx. I downloaded from then oppo site to my flash drive and updated that way. Should do the reinstall again?
Also, I just noticed transformers is Dolby tru and avengers is dts master audio. On my avr I have to set oppo to lpcm to play but with dts master I can set the oppo to auto and it plays perfect. What gives?

There have been reports of problems with some Pioneer AVR's and TrueHD 7.1 sound tracks.

Should play fine with TrueHD 5.1 sound tracks it is just 7.1 TrueHD sound tracks. There are only a few TrueHD 7.1 soundtracks so just play them using LPCM or contact Pioneer and see if they have a fix for your model.

A few others include Super 8, Ghost protocol and Brave
Edited by bbar - 12/8/12 at 6:17pm
post #2983 of 16418
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Originally Posted by bbar View Post

There have been reports of problems with some Pioneer AVR's and TrueHD 7.1 sound tracks.
Should play fine with TrueHD 5.1 sound tracks it is just 7.1 TrueHD sound tracks. There are only a few TrueHD 7.1 soundtracks so just play them using LPCM or contact Pioneer and see if they have a fix for your model.
A few others include Super 8, Ghost protocol and Brave

Thanks. I just found the link about it. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20893772&postcount=1809
This funny. I'd have to unplug everything and ship or take to a shop for a firmware update to fix it. Not gonna go through that pain. Lpcm it is. Thanks.
post #2984 of 16418
I updated my BDP-103 FW to the latest beta from the 10/18 official, and I am having problems with HDMI input. I have the OPPO BDP-103 feeding my Panasonic P60S30 plasma and Onkyo NR609 AVR using the 2 split HDMI connections (HDMI1 to the Panasonic P60S30 plasma and HDMI2 to the Onkyo NR609 AVR).

With the official FW, my only video complaint seems to be the handshaking issues when switching from BD/DVD to DirecTV (routed via the OPPO HDMI in the Back) on the OPPO, as the audio goes silent and it takes a channel change (which blacks out the video instaneously) to restore it. After installing the new beta FW, my BDP-103 does NOT see the DirecTV at all, it just says "No Input Signal".

I have powered everything on/off, and unplugged/plugged the HDMI cables as well, with no success. What is wrong?
post #2985 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I had this issue when I had Gracenotes turned on and the file information somehow caused the lookup to freeze thereby freezing the player. This actually happens to me a lot with mkv files. So when I am accessing and playing them I turn the Gracenotes functionality off.

Hmm, I think that's what has been happening to me. Only difference is that it deleted all files on my USB hdd. This didn't happen to you?

Regards Anders
Edited by Bergizzle - 12/9/12 at 3:47am
post #2986 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I had this issue when I had Gracenotes turned on and the file information somehow caused the lookup to freeze thereby freezing the player. This actually happens to me a lot with mkv files. So when I am accessing and playing them I turn the Gracenotes functionality off.

Thanks, it works now with Gracenotes off indeed.
post #2987 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Welcome to AVSForum.
Trying it with Gracenote off is a good idea.
If still no good, compare the output of mkvinfo for a good and bad file. Are there any suspicious differences?
-Bill

Thanks Bill.
post #2988 of 16418
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Originally Posted by postcorner View Post

Bob,
thank you very much for your very detailed response, much appreciated!!! I will try the things you recommended and reply back with my results. I did post in the official Denon AVR-xx13 thread and I'm awaiting response!
Again, thanks for your time and dedication to helping others out with the various issues!!

Hi Bob, I was able to do some further troubleshooting last night and discovered that this condition also exists while using my PS3 to play certain discs. I would think that this new discovery tells me that it is now a problem with my Denon and NOT the Oppo BDP-103. As I mentioned in my last post, I am working this through the Denon thread as well but if you don't mind would like your input on this as well.

I was able to determine that this issue does not happen when playing regular music CD's, or older DVD's. Also, I did not notice any difference going between LPCM and bitstream. What I did notice is that the problem is worse when the audio output is in the following formats:

"English DTS-HD MA 5.1 48k"
"English Dolby Digital 5.1 48K"
"English Dolby Digital Stereo 48K"

I experimented with audio settings on both the Oppo BDP-103 and the PS3 but had no luck. I also experimented with Audio settings on the AVR and noticed that when I turn off "Dynamic EQ" it improved the condition, but did not totally eliminate the problem. I hope that gives you a clue of what can be going wrong???

I believe you are correct in saying that the AVR is having difficulty handling certain audio formats.

Do I have a defective AVR? Do I need to reset? Any ideas on what I can do to further troubleshoot?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!!
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OPPO Digital is now reselling the ROKU Streaming Stick at special, "BUNDLE" pricing!

http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp

OPPO is selling an "OEM Version" of the ROKU Streaming Stick which does not include the ROKU remote control. This is because the regular OPPO remote for the 103/105 acts as the remote control for the ROKU when you are using the ROKU. (You select to use the ROKU using the Input button on the OPPO remote, or via the ROKU icon on Home Menu.)

Anybody can buy one of these OEM Version sticks direct from OPPO for $79.99 -- $20 off the pricing of the normal, retail version.

BUT WAIT!

If you buy a 103 or 105, you can get an even better "BUNDLE" pricing of $49.99 for the same thing!

And if you've ALREADY purchased a 103 or 105, you can STILL get the "BUNDLE" pricing simply by providing the serial number of your 103/105 to verify your purchase!

So the $79.99 pricing only applies if you want to buy an additional Stick for use with some OTHER "ROKU Ready" device (and don't need ROKU's own remote).

The ROKU Streaming Stick must be plugged into the FRONT HDMI Input socket of the 103/105.

Please note that the ROKU Streaming Stick can not be used with the older OPPO players, since they don't offer HDMI Input sockets.

Also please note that to use the ROKU Streaming Stick you MUST have Wifi set up in your house. The ROKU Streaming Stick has its own, built-in Wifi networking receiver (it doesn't use the networking of the 103/105), and it does NOT have a wired (Ethernet) option for networking.

The ROKU Streaming Stick comes with a 90 day Warranty from ROKU.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 12/9/12 at 8:49am
post #2990 of 16418
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Originally Posted by postcorner View Post

Hi Bob, I was able to do some further troubleshooting last night and discovered that this condition also exists while using my PS3 to play certain discs. I would think that this new discovery tells me that it is now a problem with my Denon and NOT the Oppo BDP-103. As I mentioned in my last post, I am working this through the Denon thread as well but if you don't mind would like your input on this as well.

I was able to determine that this issue does not happen when playing regular music CD's, or older DVD's. Also, I did not notice any difference going between LPCM and bitstream. What I did notice is that the problem is worse when the audio output is in the following formats:

"English DTS-HD MA 5.1 48k"
"English Dolby Digital 5.1 48K"
"English Dolby Digital Stereo 48K"

I experimented with audio settings on both the Oppo BDP-103 and the PS3 but had no luck. I also experimented with Audio settings on the AVR and noticed that when I turn off "Dynamic EQ" it improved the condition, but did not totally eliminate the problem. I hope that gives you a clue of what can be going wrong???

I believe you are correct in saying that the AVR is having difficulty handling certain audio formats.

Do I have a defective AVR? Do I need to reset? Any ideas on what I can do to further troubleshoot?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!!

I really don't have any more help for you on this. You should be able to find the answer in the owner's thread for your Denon, or through Denon tech support. I think it is more likely that your Denon needs a firmware update than that it is defective.
--Bob
post #2991 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I really don't have any more help for you on this. You should be able to find the answer in the owner's thread for your Denon, or through Denon tech support. I think it is more likely that your Denon needs a firmware update than that it is defective.
--Bob

Sounds good Bob, I will coninue on in the Denon thread. Thanks for your help!!!!
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Note: I use my Oppo without internet input (BDs, SDs, thumb drive media only). I've never tried any kind of internet media downloads (other than updating firmware via wifi).

I took a look at the Roku on its site and poked around the web as well. If I understand correctly, it allows you to purchase media and then watch it on your TV. Not to stream media from your computer. Correct? Is there free content available that would make it more palatable to me (I buy LOTS of discs), as I'm not looking to replace discs with ephemeral media? I don't need a music server like Pandora, but I do watch lots of movies and tv (Direct TV). I'm trying to determine if this would add anything to my viewing "lifestyle" without also adding many additional costs.

Thanks.
post #2993 of 16418
^ ROKU lets you install any of a large number of "channels" that you can then view -- basically these are apps that run on the ROKU stick -- dynamically loaded if you set up more of them than the ROKU stick can contain all at once.

You select which Channel (app) you want to view at the moment, and what happens next depends on that app. Think of the difference between Netflix, VUDU, and Pandora used as native apps on the 103/105.

All of these apps have to do with streaming content over the Internet. None of them are related to playing your own media files from hard drives or DLNA servers in your house.

Many of the apps do provide access to "free" content". Think of the YouTube native app on the 103/105 as an example of that.

Some of the free content is actually quite useful, such as Internet radio (e.g., the Tune-In app) which lets you hear radio style programming from places around the world.

Others have free and paid services -- as exemplified by the Pandora native app on the 103/105 which plays commercials unless you pay them an annual fee.

Others are paid content only -- as exemplified by the Netflix and VUDU native apps on the 103/105. Some of those are a subscription model (like Netflix) or a pay per use model (like VUDU).

The ROKU stick offers Channels (apps) for popular services not currently offered as native apps on the 103/105. For example there is Amazon Prime streaming and Hulu+ streaming. There are also quite a few music streaming services such as MOG.

See ROKU's web site for a list of available Channels. There's no fee to use the ROKU stick after you buy it. And there's no fee for any Channel unless you choose to subscribe to a pay Channel.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

... I took a look at the Roku on its site and poked around the web as well. If I understand correctly, it allows you to purchase media and then watch it on your TV. Not to stream media from your computer. Correct? Is there free content available that would make it more palatable to me (I buy LOTS of discs), as I'm not looking to replace discs with ephemeral media?

Sounds right to me. It appears that the "channels" stream via wifi to the stick and then the Oppo handles the processing and delivery just as it would for one of their native apps. I'm guessing that some (maybe many) of the "channels" are free, such as those with public domain content, and this would certainly provide the value in it for me as I'm not looking to purchase additional content.

Chris
post #2995 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bergizzle View Post

Hmm, I think that's what has been happening to me. Only difference is that it deleted all files on my USB hdd. This didn't happen to you?
Regards Anders

I have never had the Oppo delete any files. Not sure how that could even happen.
post #2996 of 16418
After setting up my 103 the recommend way of running HDMI 1 to my JVC Projector and HDMI 2 to my Denon AVR-3808, I started to encounter the dreaded lip-sync issue for the first time ever in my system. So I tried running the audio and video the old fashioned way and sent it all to my receiver via HDMI 1. Poof, no more lip-sync problems. I've got the receiver set to pass-through, but in your peoples experience, is this really true? Is my receiver actually not processing the HDMI video signal? To my eyes the image looks as good as it did running HDMI 1 right to my projector, but without the ability to see instant side-by-side comparison I can't tell for sure.
post #2997 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

OPPO Digital is now reselling the ROKU Streaming Stick at special, "BUNDLE" pricing!
http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp
OPPO is selling an "OEM Version" of the ROKU Streaming Stick which does not include the ROKU remote control. This is because the regular OPPO remote for the 103/105 acts as the remote control for the ROKU when you are using the ROKU. (You select to use the ROKU using the Input button on the OPPO remote, or via the ROKU icon on Home Menu.)
Anybody can buy one of these OEM Version sticks direct from OPPO for $79.99 -- $20 off the pricing of the normal, retail version.
BUT WAIT!
If you buy a 103 or 105, you can get an even better "BUNDLE" pricing of $49.99 for the same thing!
And if you've ALREADY purchased a 103 or 105, you can STILL get the "BUNDLE" pricing simply by providing the serial number of your 103/105 to verify your purchase!
So the $79.99 pricing only applies if you want to buy an additional Stick for use with some OTHER "ROKU Ready" device (and don't need ROKU's own remote).
The ROKU Streaming Stick must be plugged into the FRONT HDMI Input socket of the 103/105.
Please note that the ROKU Streaming Stick can not be used with the older OPPO players, since they don't offer HDMI Input sockets.
Also please note that to use the ROKU Streaming Stick you MUST have Wifi set up in your house. The ROKU Streaming Stick has its own, built-in Wifi networking receiver (it doesn't use the networking of the 103/105), and it does NOT have a wired (Ethernet) option for networking.
The ROKU Streaming Stick comes with a 90 day Warranty from ROKU.
--Bob

Bob, do you know if this deal also applies if you bought the player through a seller like SolutionsAV?
post #2998 of 16418
^ I think so, but I'm not sure what the status is of ROKU in Canada, so check that first.

Basically all the OPPO site is asking for is the serial number of your 103/105. Nothing about having to have bought the player from the OPPO Digital site to begin with.

Try it and report back!
--Bob
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

After setting up my 103 the recommend way of running HDMI 1 to my JVC Projector and HDMI 2 to my Denon AVR-3808, I started to encounter the dreaded lip-sync issue for the first time ever in my system. So I tried running the audio and video the old fashioned way and sent it all to my receiver via HDMI 1. Poof, no more lip-sync problems. I've got the receiver set to pass-through, but in your peoples experience, is this really true? Is my receiver actually not processing the HDMI video signal? To my eyes the image looks as good as it did running HDMI 1 right to my projector, but without the ability to see instant side-by-side comparison I can't tell for sure.

That will be fine presuming you have 1080p output set in the OPPO.

Now, as to your original problem, it is highly likely the lip sync you were spotting with the two cable setup is due, at least in part, to your AVR adding audio delay because it thinks it is also processing the video. I.E., you may be able to use the 2 cable method if you can figure out how to set your AVR to know it is NOT processing the video. The Pass Through setting you are using for the 1 cable setup may do the trick for 2 cable as well.
--Bob
post #3000 of 16418
Hooking up my new Oppo 103 to an older Harman Kardon AVR520 through analog connectors. The Oppo has 7.1/5.1 analog outs of which I am using the 5.1. I am confused over which inputs I should use on the AVR520. I hooked it up to the 6-channel direct inputs but the manual states that when these inputs are used you cannot select a surround mode as the external decoder determines the processing in use.It says that these inputs are for future expansion through the use of optional, external adapters for formats that the AVR may not be capable of processing or to allow the connect of high-resolution optical audio playback systems such as DVD-Audio or SACD Does this mean that the Oppo is doing the decoding? How do I know what it is decoding??

Additionally, there are amplifier inputs with jumper pins linked to the Preamp outputs. It says that when the pins are removed, these jacks may be used to connect an external source or the AVR520's multiroom system to the internal amplifiers.

Anyone steer me in the correct direction. I realize that I can utilize the digital cable out as well but want to try these first.
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