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post #4591 of 16401
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Oppo will essentially lend you one You have a 30-day return period. The most it will cost you if you send the player back is the return shipping (probably under $20). Considering the cost of the player and all, this is a very inexpensive way to try a 105 (or a 103) in your home with your gear.
Sadly, things work a little differently here in the UK wink.gif
post #4592 of 16401
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Originally Posted by Despoiler View Post

Interesting. I'm now curious why it's just Netflix that is exhibiting that behavior? Does the Oppo run an actual Netflix app like the PS3 or does it provide a framework that Netflix can use to stream to like it does on a PC? If it's an app perhaps the issue will resolve itself when the newest version is pushed out that supports Netflix's new video profiles?

From the manual

Doesn't this indicate that the Oppo osjust acting like a simple playback system and like in any cheap blu ray player and all the high priced components are bypassed?
post #4593 of 16401
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Sadly, things work a little differently here in the UK wink.gif
Sorry to hear that. In the U.S. a lot of dealers will lend you a piece of equipment to try at home. Will any of the Oppo dealers in the UK do that?
post #4594 of 16401
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Originally Posted by bob98102 View Post

Doesn't this indicate that the Oppo osjust acting like a simple playback system and like in any cheap blu ray player and all the high priced components are bypassed?

That is what I take it to mean. It's just passing it through untouched.
post #4595 of 16401
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Originally Posted by JackVette View Post

Hello,

I have my OPPO 103 coming today.

I've been reading the manual in preparation in setting it up. I know that it has dual HDMI outputs but the manual seems a little confusing to me in its usage and setup.

I wanted to connect both outputs to my receiver. One to Blu Ray and the other to CD.

I wanted my family to know that if they are listening to SACD or CD to push the CD input and if watching a movie to push the Blu Ray input.

I may be mistaken on how things work. The Oppo manual confused me on whether my thought is possible (maybe its not necessary).

If I want to do this (and its possible) which Dual HDMI setting do I use? I really have no intent (currently) to use both ports at the same time ....

Any thoughts are appreciated.

BTW, I did read the FAQ. It said that it only mattered if both ports were used simultaneously. I wasn't sure if just connecting them to the receiver counted as using them simultaneously

Jack

It's possible you might find fewer potential issues by simply connecting one HDMI from the player to AVR. Depending on the specific model AVR you might have the capability for assigning the same HDMI port to both "CD" and "Blu-Ray" selections. There's also the option of a programmable remote that can make life easier for everyone involved.

The reason that issues might arise is that your AVR might have both HDMI inputs "active" even if you aren't using both. But when only one HDMI output on the player is in use (hot), it doesn't matter whether you have it set to "split" or "dual display". Given your stated intent, you'll need to try it and see what happens, but I wouldn't expect "dual display" to be a desirable choice in any event, since the player will default to stereo PCM if it thinks both outputs are in use.
post #4596 of 16401
I haven't thought about using the HDMI input just yet. If I do, it would be with my DirecTV HD receiver. Does the Oppo have to be on in order for the DirecTV signal to be processed and passed to my AV receiver? Has anyone seen any significant improvement to even warrant this setup? Thanks.
Edited by yarrumc - 1/16/13 at 4:39pm
post #4597 of 16401
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Originally Posted by scott_bernstein View Post

Yeah, I wish that Oppo would add a gapless playback option for flac/wav/mp3 (OK, I'll never use MP3s myself, but....) -- it is key for listening to live concert recordings, especially if you're listening to a song with multiple sections that are tracked out individiually...

Yeah that would really interrupt the performance. I imagine that is common in classical and live recordings.
post #4598 of 16401
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Originally Posted by Despoiler View Post

Having an HTPC generally negates the need for a stand alone device like an Oppo.

Assuming you don't have an AVR. I plug my HTPC (Zbox ION) into the back of the Oppo and the Oppo handles the audio. I don't need a Blu-Ray on the HTPC or an AVR. The HTPC is essentially only a PVR.
post #4599 of 16401
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Sorry to hear that. In the U.S. a lot of dealers will lend you a piece of equipment to try at home. Will any of the Oppo dealers in the UK do that?

Yes North American boutique dealers will loan equipment. Expect to pay full list price. Don't return it and then buy at the big box store, or you may find that your borrowing priviledges are revoked.
post #4600 of 16401
I have been listening to streamed flac files in DTS 5.1 music mode. I have to say I am stunned by the SQ of the "non-audiophile" Oppo in my HT system. I am thinking about dragging it to over to my high res system to hear how good it really is. I wonder how much better the 105 is..........
post #4601 of 16401
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Originally Posted by Despoiler View Post

Interesting. I'm now curious why it's just Netflix that is exhibiting that behavior? Does the Oppo run an actual Netflix app like the PS3 or does it provide a framework that Netflix can use to stream to like it does on a PC? If it's an app perhaps the issue will resolve itself when the newest version is pushed out that supports Netflix's new video profiles?


The Oppo Netflix client already supports the highest quality stream "super HD" (as long as you're ISP supports it too).

The problem is that the Oppo is post processing the video from the Netflix client unless you select Source direct.
post #4602 of 16401
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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

I read the following on HT.com...

The player offers two different video processing solutions. HDMI-1 is serviced by Marvell’s Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest Qdeo technology that can upscale all video sources to 4K (3840 x 2160) and can convert 2D signals to a 3D output. HDMI-2 uses a custom-made MediaTek dual-core processor. The Qdeo offers a superior video processing solution, so that’s the preferred choice for most userssers

Do most of you connect to HDMI 2 when watching Blue Ray and or standard DVD's? Is there a distinguishable PQ difference between HDMI 1 and 2?

Beuhler? cool.gif
post #4603 of 16401
Take the time to read this thread or use the search feature. The differences between the two have been discussed ad nauseum. Or try it out for yourself and comment on your own experience.
post #4604 of 16401
New 103 owner. My first Oppo. Love the player and features so far. My only problem has been SMB sharing of Win7 non-public folders. I kept receiving a password request although I've been sharing media folders among multiple home computers without issue. Many users have reported that WLE (Windows Live Essentials) is incompatible with the Oppo and is the root problem. I don't have WLE installed and the only similar software I could locate was Windows Live Gaming. I uninstalled and restarted. Still no love with the Oppo.

But a SOLUTION has been found. Maybe this will help others. I haven't tested with WLE but maybe that really isn't the issue after all. In my case it was a permissions issue.

When sharing a Win7 folder with the Oppo the "Everyone" user must be activated with read permission (at least). Unfortunately, Win7 doesn't automatically add "Everyone" to a folder share. Instead Win7 only adds Administrators and the Homegroup by default. (The Homegroup is why I could share among computers without a password.) I located this issue by looking at the permissions on the Public folders that were accessible on the Oppo. I'm by no means a network expert and cannot explain how "Everyone" and SMB interact. YMMV but it worked for me. I can now access my non-public media folders on the Oppo without entering a password.

Here's a good link showing how to add "Everyone" to your folder shares. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/24232-sharing-permissions.html

Thanks for everyone's help on the forum. I'm sure I will be using AVS often.
post #4605 of 16401
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

If you want to know precisely what your netflix client is capable of playing with the bandwidth you have, playback the netflix test file "Example Short 23.976". It will provide you with a overlay of the stream you are receiving and resolution. Have fun.

I just watched a guy moonwalking with a laptop while listening to a 20Hz to 200Hz linear sweep. Mind = blown.
post #4606 of 16401
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Originally Posted by Despoiler View Post

Having an HTPC generally negates the need for a stand alone device like an Oppo. The 7850 isn't a sound card. All it does is pass the audio through to the next device, which is either the sound card on your HTPC or a receiver. What other devices do you use in your HT? As far as PQ, you can setup an HTPC to have extremely good PQ. AMD's video stuff is pretty good, but there are better codecs out there IMO.

Despoiler thanks for your reply mate.
My HT consists of some decent gear, mostly reference level. The Front R/L speakers are Definitive Technology Mythos ST speakers, with similar line up of Def Tech line of surrounds and rear surrounds and center channel consisting of 7.1 setup. The Subwoofer is a Horned Sub a 36 x 36 x 24 THT subwoofer, the sub hits really low LFE. The AVR is a Denon 4311CI, and the Gaming HTPC is an i7 2600K setup. Here is a picture of my rack, which is a work in progress including the room. smile.gif





I guess the only thing missing on this rack is a dedicated blu ray player, however i was wondering if Oppo wud do a better job than the inbuilt HPTC's blu ray drive with the dedicated graphics/sound card of the htpc and the Denon 4311CI avr?

Please guide, in a huge delimma.
post #4607 of 16401
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Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

Take the time to read this thread or use the search feature. The differences between the two have been discussed ad nauseum. Or try it out for yourself and comment on your own experience.

I am not about to read 153 pages. In the time it took you to respond with your worthless reply you could have shared "your" experience. Thanks for your contribution. rolleyes.gif
post #4608 of 16401
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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

I am not about to read 153 pages. In the time it took you to respond with your worthless reply you could have shared "your" experience. Thanks for your contribution. rolleyes.gif

But it's okay for others to just answer at your beck and call without you putting any effort into searching for it? In fact I did contribute my experience regarding your question as well as many others and if you used the magical search option you'll find numerous answers. Don't expect people to answer every single question for you and when you quote your own post with a "buehler" in that time you could have already found your answer. Heck how about you email oppo or search the oppo page it really is all right there in front of you.
post #4609 of 16401
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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

I am not about to read 153 pages. In the time it took you to respond with your worthless reply you could have shared "your" experience. Thanks for your contribution. rolleyes.gif

But it's okay for others to just answer at your beck and call without you putting any effort into searching for it? In fact I did contribute my experience regarding your question as well as many others and if you used the magical search option you'll find numerous answers. Don't expect people to answer every single question for you and when you quote your own post with a "buehler" in that time you could have already found your answer. Heck how about you email oppo or search the oppo page it really is all right there in front of you.
post #4610 of 16401
It's easier to search than squabble. Use "Search this thread" at the top and try "HDMI2 Mediatek" and you should get some useful hits.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Despoiler thanks for your reply mate.
My HT consists of some decent gear, mostly reference level. The Front R/L speakers are Definitive Technology Mythos ST speakers, with similar line up of Def Tech line of surrounds and rear surrounds and center channel consisting of 7.1 setup. The Subwoofer is a Horned Sub a 36 x 36 x 24 THT subwoofer, the sub hits really low LFE. The AVR is a Denon 4311CI, and the Gaming HTPC is an i7 2600K setup. Here is a picture of my rack, which is a work in progress including the room. smile.gif





I guess the only thing missing on this rack is a dedicated blu ray player, however i was wondering if Oppo wud do a better job than the inbuilt HPTC's blu ray drive with the dedicated graphics/sound card of the htpc and the Denon 4311CI avr?

Please guide, in a huge delimma.

Nice setup!

There is no difference between bluray drives as far as reading the disc. It can either read it or it can't. All of the magic happens after that point when the video is decoded and rendered. Oppo has a very good reputation for reason. If you get an Oppo you won't be disappointed. What software are you using to play the bluray rips right now? Below is the guide that I used to get the best PQ when playing something on my computer. Usually the deciding factor is how much you want to try to play around with setting up the HTPC software. If you don't mind the tweaking then stick with the HTPC. If you want to just watch movies and trust the hardware you bought then get the Oppo.

As far as sound, you have a really good receiver so you are going to want to just bitstream your audio to it if you aren't already.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1357375/advanced-mpc-hc-setup-guide
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

My HT consists of some decent gear, mostly reference level.
whoa, what a set-up! Is that a cassette player I see? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

whoa, what a set-up! Is that a cassette player I see? smile.gif

Thanks for looking and for inspiring. Yea thats a cassette player.. lol. Had it with me for a while, plus i still have a huge collection of cassettes that my dad collected... memories, emotional value.. smile.gif Maybe i might let it go after sometime and use the 2u space to load a new component, for now using it as a spacer loaded with a gadget.

Despolier, thanks!!
Another quick question.. As i mentioned earlier, i usually copy/backup my Blu Ray movies on the 24 bay 72TB disk server in untouched/uncompressed form, if i get the Oppo BDP-103 can i connect the HTPC to the Oppo player to bitstream audio and video via oppo's inbuilt engine? I understand that the oppo's hardware is definately superior as compared to the HTPC's dedicated sound card and infact even superior to the AVR's engine.
On the Denon 4311ci forum, people use oppo without the avr processing the sound and the audio singnal, as they realize the oppo's engine is far superior for sound and audio.
This is what was told to me on the Denon 4311CI forum regarding connecting the oppo to the avr.
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you'll want to use HDMI output for your audio so that you capture the full benefit of the Audyssey XT32 room correction you ran earlier last year. Analog audio output won't be EQ'd by the 4311, but the HDMI audio can be decoded by the 4311 and processed by Audyssey (as would any audio from coaxial or digital out, but then you wouldn't be able to enjoy lossless audio as completely as you would from HDMI). Hence there's really no reason for you to pick up a BDP-105 (or a 95, for that matter) over a 103. The BDP-103 will be more than enough for your current needs, as well as any upgrade path to 4K you might consider in the future.
 
If you wind up buying the Oppo, here's a little more future advice:
Your best bet would be to let a prospective BDP-103 connect to your 4311 AVR on a single HDMI cable (HDMI 1 preferred), which will pass both audio and video from the Oppo to your AVR, and let the receiver do all the switching to your display. You'll want to let the Oppo 103 handle BluRay and DVD upscaling (I personally use the BluRay HDMI input for signal from my Oppo BDP-93), and set the video i/p scaler to "Off" on that input of the 4311. This will pass through the Oppo's HDMI video unmolested by any add'l processing by the Denon. Remember to gave Video Converter=On so that you can still access the GUI on that input, however.

So, i would like to know if blu-ray movie stored on a server can be processed through the oppo player instead of loading the blu ray disk to the player.
post #4614 of 16401
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

So, i would like to know if blu-ray movie stored on a server can be processed through the oppo player instead of loading the blu ray disk to the player.

What format? You mean a decrypted BDMV folder?

That will currently work over SMB if the folder is nested inside of one called AVCHD. The future: no one knows.

Hidef video strains wireless bandwidth. You might need a wired cable.

-Bill
post #4615 of 16401
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

What format? You mean a decrypted BDMV folder?

That will currently work over SMB if the folder is nested inside of one called AVCHD. The future: no one knows.

Hidef video strains wireless bandwidth. You might need a wired cable.

-Bill

Well, i just backup my Blu ray disk using AnyDVD HD to the storage server on the Flexraid hard disk drives, so i am not sure if it is still encrypted or decrytped.
Can you explain a bit more, i got confused with the jargons u used smb and avchd. The server is connected to the HTPC via a ethernet cable, and everything is cabled. I was asking if i cud play the Blu ray movies thats stored over the WHS server through the Oppo player just for the sake of using the Oppo's A/V processor, wired.. maybe using hdmi?
post #4616 of 16401
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Thanks for looking and for inspiring. Yea thats a cassette player.. lol. Had it with me for a while, plus i still have a huge collection of cassettes that my dad collected... memories, emotional value.. smile.gif Maybe i might let it go after sometime and use the 2u space to load a new component, for now using it as a spacer loaded with a gadget.

Despolier, thanks!!
Another quick question.. As i mentioned earlier, i usually copy/backup my Blu Ray movies on the 24 bay 72TB disk server in untouched/uncompressed form, if i get the Oppo BDP-103 can i connect the HTPC to the Oppo player to bitstream audio and video via oppo's inbuilt engine? I understand that the oppo's hardware is definately superior as compared to the HTPC's dedicated sound card and infact even superior to the AVR's engine.
On the Denon 4311ci forum, people use oppo without the avr processing the sound and the audio singnal, as they realize the oppo's engine is far superior for sound and audio.
This is what was told to me on the Denon 4311CI forum regarding connecting the oppo to the avr.
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you'll want to use HDMI output for your audio so that you capture the full benefit of the Audyssey XT32 room correction you ran earlier last year. Analog audio output won't be EQ'd by the 4311, but the HDMI audio can be decoded by the 4311 and processed by Audyssey (as would any audio from coaxial or digital out, but then you wouldn't be able to enjoy lossless audio as completely as you would from HDMI). Hence there's really no reason for you to pick up a BDP-105 (or a 95, for that matter) over a 103. The BDP-103 will be more than enough for your current needs, as well as any upgrade path to 4K you might consider in the future.
 
If you wind up buying the Oppo, here's a little more future advice:
Your best bet would be to let a prospective BDP-103 connect to your 4311 AVR on a single HDMI cable (HDMI 1 preferred), which will pass both audio and video from the Oppo to your AVR, and let the receiver do all the switching to your display. You'll want to let the Oppo 103 handle BluRay and DVD upscaling (I personally use the BluRay HDMI input for signal from my Oppo BDP-93), and set the video i/p scaler to "Off" on that input of the 4311. This will pass through the Oppo's HDMI video unmolested by any add'l processing by the Denon. Remember to gave Video Converter=On so that you can still access the GUI on that input, however.

So, i would like to know if blu-ray movie stored on a server can be processed through the oppo player instead of loading the blu ray disk to the player.

Aren't you going to run smack into Cinavia on some discs? This is why I am holding off. I too have my library ripped from discs (Legally!!) on drives.
post #4617 of 16401
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Originally Posted by pogal View Post

All, can someone explain to me the difference between LPCM and Bitstream? I have been having lip sync issues with both shiny disks as well as TV plugged in to the rear of the 103. Bob has sugested that if you use LPCM this might improve?
I am just beginning to notice exactly the same issue with my own setup, which also plugs the HDMI output of my Windows Media Center Extender (Linksys DMA2100) into the rear external HDMI input of my BDP-103.

And I already have LPCM specified, because I feed HDMI-2 out (LPCM audio-only) from the BDP-103 to the HDMI input of of my Smyth Realiser for listening through headphones. The Realiser requires LPCM input so that's how I have the BDP-103 set up, mostly to feed audio from BluRay movies.

But in this case, when watching HDTV (from HTPC to DMA2100 to BDP-103 and then out), if I do truly listen through headphones (i.e. HDMI-2 output) and video-only from HDMI-1 to my AVR and then on to the HDTV there is no lip-sync issue.

However if I power off the Realiser connected to HDMI-2, so that the "A/V Split" feature of the BDP-103 reverts the audio over to HDMI-1... and so that BOTH audio (still LPCM) and video are now delivered out of HDMI-1 and on to the AVR (where the arriving LPCM audio is then delivered to speakers), now THAT is when the lip-sync starts to creep in.

My "solution" (more of a workaround) has been to simply STOP playback of the current HDTV program on the DMA2100, give whichever component (BDP-103 or AVR) is responsible for the lip-sync symptom to "settle down", and then to resume PLAY of the current HDTV program. This seems to eliminate the lip-sync problem immediately and sound via speakers is once again normal... at least for a while.

Seems the longer I play sound through the speakers (with LPCM audio delivered along with video via HDMI-1 out of the BDP-103 to the AVR) the lip-sync is guaranteed to creep back in, and get worse and worse until I once again repeat my "solution".

I've not had ANY similar lip-sync issues when using BOTH HDMI-1 out (for video only to the AVR) and HDMI-2 out (to the Realiser, for headphone listening). Only when both audio and video are delivered via HDMI-1 to the AVR does the lip-sync problem occur.

This symptom has only been observed for external HDMI input from my DMA2100, as that's the only situation in which I might listen through speakers instead of headphones and thus will have both audio and video out of HDMI-1 and on to the AVR . When watching a BluRay movie I ALWAYS listen to audio through headphones via HDMI-2, and no audio is going to the AVR on HDMI-1.
post #4618 of 16401
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post


Well, i just backup my Blu ray disk using AnyDVD HD to the storage server on the Flexraid hard disk drives, so i am not sure if it is still encrypted or decrytped.
Can you explain a bit more, i got confused with the jargons u used smb and avchd. The server is connected to the HTPC via a ethernet cable, and everything is cabled. I was asking if i cud play the Blu ray movies thats stored over the WHS server through the Oppo player just for the sake of using the Oppo's A/V processor, wired.. maybe using hdmi?

You can look up the acronyms in the wikipedia, plus the FAQs linked in my signature have some info.

AnyDVD decrypts. That's a necessary first step for anything else.

What you have then is a BDMV folder with lots of files in it. If you copy it to a hard drive and attach it to a OPPO usb port you can play it.

If you want to play the BDMV folder over the network you must use SMB which is a network file system. This is built into Windows. Other systems like NAS and Linux more likely use a program called SAMBA.

Because of licensing rules OPPO is not allowed to access BDMV over SMB, but there is a loophole. AVCHD is a directory structure produced by video cameras which is supported. Its design is very similar to Blu-ray video and if you move the BDMV folder into a folder called AVCHD then the OPPO can play it.

There are other media file types such as MKV and people do convert their Blu-rays into that container, but it is a longer story.

-Bill
post #4619 of 16401
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Originally Posted by Chris Albert View Post


Aren't you going to run smack into Cinavia on some discs? This is why I am holding off. I too have my library ripped from discs (Legally!!) on drives.

Yes, for BDMV copies. Cinavia is not currently detected in MKV or M2TS copies.

This is not going to get better, unless the studios decide Cinavia is not worth the effort.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

I can actually think of quite a few, mounting of ISOs being one that would directly apply to the thread subject. WIN 8 by far is the best OS effort that MS has produced. It's just too bad they buried it under a tablet user interface instead of a desktop one. For $40 it is probably worth it.

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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

I agree...

Besides, if people wish to use the good old fashioned Windows start menu. All they have to do is install Classic Shell smile.gif
Best effort evar? That's a strong statement. I assume you've both been long-time Windows users (95 for me). Which one is $40, the regular? That would likely be a downgrade since I currently have 7 Ultimate.
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