Official OPPO BDP-103 Owner's Thread - Page 156

I seem to have missed the audio quality issue with dual display. Please elaborate. I just connected both HDMI 1&2 to my Radiance (see above) and activated dual display to try to correct a green screen issue when switching between the two. The S&M Montage played DTS MA 48K according to the Oppo for both inputs. Regarding my comment above as to "dull" color. The highest resolution vertical pattern on the Chroma Burst pattern is definitely LOWER in color saturation if HDMI 2 is the input. Color space for both is set to 422 36 bit. Radiance settings are identical for both inputs. TV is an Elite 70X5.

Hi there.

I've looked everywhere for the answer to this, so I turn to You, my fellow audiophiles.

Does anyone know if the rear HDMI input 1 on the BDP-103 has HDMI pass-thru?(to upscale SD cable tv to HD)
The reason I ask, is that its a real pain in the but for my family to watch tv now, because before they could just turn on the tv and cable box with one remote.
Its not a problem for me, but for my 4 year old nephew, brother, sister-in-law, and especially her 70 year old mother, it is, because the OPPO always defaults back to the 'Blu-ray' input every time its turned on, and you have to use the OPPO remote to turn it on, then select the rear HDMI input 1.
Now they must turn on the tv, then cable box, then grab the OPPO remote, and turn it on, then wait and select HDMI 1, (then the Marantz SR5006 AV receiver, if you want surround sound, …don't even get me started on the Marantz. …it ONLY selects the right input and works if its turned on LAST, and in order of the TV, then cable box/or OPPO, and then the Marantz LAST !)
I hoped the OPPO would let the rear HDMI 1 pass-thru the signal if it wasn't turned on, like my Marantz av receiver. Worst case scenario, I wish the OPPO would stay selected on the rear HDMI 1 input, instead of defaulting back to the 'BLU-RAY' input every time, so there would be 1 less step for the family, so that i could program the tv remotes DVD button and they could just turn ithe OPPO on/off with just 1 remote.

Now with that said, I purchased a harmony 1100 for the family 2 weeks ago, but I HAVE NO IDEA how to program the 'Watch DVD' activity to select/change the OPPOs inputs to the rear HDMI1 input. Can anyone out there PLEASE walk me through the steps of programming the harmony, as Logitech's customer support says that there is no phone customer-support available on refurbished remotes(NOW i find out its refurbished, …thanks Tigerdirect !)

ANY help would be greatly appreciated !!!

Thanks very much everyone.

Many of us are having the same issue that you are with using the BDP-103 as a pass-thru for our cable boxes/DVRs. I have written to Oppo and they are well aware of this problem (that you can't set the default input for the player, or at least have it remember the last state the input selection was in) and that they are trying to rectify this for a future firmware update, but have not committed to any time frame for this....so the best we can do is "hold our horses" until the fix comes in (maybe) at some point in the future...

How is this (DMC) supposed to work????

I have JRiver Media Center and I have never been able to get gapless music no matter what options I have tried....I have Media Monkey (Free) as well, but have not tried that.
I am now just using it as a standard DLNA...which is great other than no gapless

Check in the owner's thread here for your AVR to see if there is a firmware update to fix this.

Also check for ANY OTHER fancy HDMI feature settings in the AVR and try disabling them as well. Something is causing the AVR to keep that non-selected socket "live". It may take some experimentation to find out what.

If you have HDMI CEC enabled in the TV then turn it off there as well (and also in the OPPO of course). These should not matter, but if you are dong HDMI "pass through" to the TV in the AVR it might.

Also send an email to OPPO tech support with the model of your AVR and a description of what's happening. They may have some history on file for that AVR.
--Bob

So I've still been tinkering with the Oppo's QDEO on HDMI 1 which is going into my Kuro 50". The display was ISF calibrated with sharpness at -15 and while the picture was great I always thought it was a tad soft. I've set the QDEO sharpening to +1 and the extra sharpness detail is amazing. When turning it off and adjusting the Kuro sharpness the results are completely different. The QDEO's sharpening appears to be effecting contrast/gamma also. Does anyone know more about this technology or have been playing with it? I know a lot of people here are using the darbee darblet and wonder what the difference would be.

First of all, welcome to AVS and to this Thread!

There's a whole Forum here dedicated to programmable remotes, and that's where the Harmony experts hang out. If you ask there how to do this, they will undoubtedly be able to walk you through the steps.

Here's what you need to know:

In your Harmony configuration, there will be a Device definition for the OPPO player. You need to insure that the Device definition knows the "Input" button on the OPPO remote and also the numeric digits. If, for example, it doesn't have an entry for the Input button you can "Learn" that into the Device configuration. (Harmony remote connected to your computer and your Harmony configuration open on the computer -- follow the instructions to adjust buttons in the OPPO Device definition, and Learn a new button.)

You can now tell the OPPO to change to a specific input by sending the Input button followed by a digit. For example, Input-3 will select the 3rd line in the Input pop-up menu. (For this to work you need the latest firmware in your OPPO. Check Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information and confirm the "Main" firmware version number ends 1220.) Just try Input-digit with the regular OPPO remote and you'll see how it works.

Now you need to get that into an Activity, like "Watch DVD". One of the options for editing an Activity will allow you to add more commands. So you could put the Input-digit combo in the set of things that get sent to the OPPO when that Activity starts up. Voila!

What you probably can not do is tell the Harmony the OPPO knows about Input selections -- as if it was a Receiver. Harmony is not expecting Blu-ray players to be able to do that.
--Bob

OK thanks guys I have been experimenting with HDMI-2 vs. HDMI-1 as well.
I was trying to find the best way to make Standard Definition DVD's look as good as possible on a Panny 55ST50 HDTV. Any tips? and what HDMI-2 video settings are you guys using for sharpness etc?

PS- RECSTAR are you bringing cable TV into Oppo input?
I thought about that but I do not have a HDMI output on my cable box.

Yup. It's nice but does have its quirks.

Just wanted to pass along some info from Oppo, as I just phoned them to talk about this problem.

Turns out they are already aware of the lip-sync problem somehow caused by the HDMI input, and are researching it. Hopefully they'll eventually find the defect and correct it.

I passed on my own further experience, namely that the lip-sync issue only occurred (for me) when I had HDMI-2 powered off so that HDMI-1 was used to carry both audio and video to the AVR (and then on to speakers and HDTV). But when I had HDMI-2 active (and thus "A/V Split" was active, with video-only sent to HDMI-1 and audio-only sent to HDMI-2) there was no lip-sync symptom.

Anyway, the good news is that they're aware of the problem.

That's a good thing,but what I like to know is how will they fix the problem ? will it be by FW update or do they have to change the HDMI port?
My 103 will arrive tomorrow,and if it's a port problem I don't know how much international shipping will cost to ship it to oppo.

The expectation is that these sorts of problems will be sorted out with firmware updates.

You have a good eye!

I agree. Picture Adjustment > HDMI 1 > Sharpness +1 is better for 1080p output of all content resolutions. The default (0) value for Sharpness is fuzzing the image in the Official 1220 firmware. Sharpness +1 works best with 1080p content, but is also an improvement for 720p and 480i content.

I have reported this to OPPO as a bug.

I should point out that this is not yet a CONFIRMED bug. We could both be wrong, or what we are seeing as a problem with the Sharpness setting may actually be a side-effect of some other, root problem elsewhere in the video chain. But right now, I can find no down-side to using Sharpness +1, so that seems to be a useful adjustment (workaround) while OPPO engineering sorts out what's really going on.

NOTE: For folks who decide to try this, please remember that the Picture Adjustment settings are bypassed if you use Source Direct, and that there are separate Picture Adjustment tables for the HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 outputs. Pressing and holding the Setup button on the remote is a shortcut into the Picture Adjustment settings.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 1/18/13 at 11:44pm

Nice call. It definitely has a clearer effect than doing +1 sharpness on hdmi2. Wow it really pops.

^ By the way, before anyone wastes time trying it, Picture Adjustment > HDMI 1 > Sharpness +2 is definitely too much.
--Bob

So you recommend not going to +16 then?

^ Only when combined with mind-altering chemicals.
--Bob

But doesn't that depend's on the TV configurations?I'll be asking alot of questions regarding PQ adjustments,since my display is a 6 year old samsung LCD.

^ The default (0) values for the Picture Adjustment settings should be putting out a "correct" HDMI image. Instead, it looks like Sharpness 0 is damaging the image on HDMI 1. You won't be able to undo this with settings in the display. At best you'll be able to conceal it a bit.

NORMALLY, you should only be futzing with the Picture Adjustment settings in the OPPO if there's a problem in your display which you can't fix, for whatever reason, using the display's own controls. This case is different as there appears to be a bug in the default, HDMI 1 output when HDMI 1 Sharpness is set to 0.

I recommend you continue to leave all the OTHER Picture Adjustment settings in the OPPO at their default (0) values, and use the controls in your display as the primary, and hopefully the only, means of adjusting the video.
--Bob

hi,
i'm a proud new owner of the 103 and am blown away by the quality of the picture and sound compared to a ps3.
I'm running a 5m chroma 6 cable to a panasonic ptae 7000projector thru hdmi 1 and another 10m hdmi to my series 6 samsung lcd tv thru hdmi 2.All sound is by way of optical.
I am having a problem with the projector setup where the picture and sound will drop out for 1-2 secs when watching a bluray or dvd disc,just get a black screen and no sound.Did have one occasion where just the sound dropped out but still had a picture.This has happened on every movie i've watched so far,about7-8 movies.It just happens once on each movie,but at any random time.It does not happen when watching material off my hard drive.I have only watched half a movie thru the hdmi 2 so can't say if it is an issue there.I have used this cable and projector for months with the ps3 without it happening.It doesn't happen when playing games thru the cable and projector.
I've tried dual display and the split a/v setting.Disabled anynet setting on the tv.Output resolution set to auto,but am trying 1080p tonite.Will try latest firmware as well.
Any feedback would be appreciated.It has been suggested that it is probably a software issue,but willtry all trouble shooting options first.

thanks rod

^ Given the length of your 2 HDMI cable runs I'd say the problem is more likely to be due to marginal HDMI cabling. The signal is likely failing the periodic copy protection recheck (which normally happens in the background -- not visible or audible). The failure forces a new HDMI handshake to reset the connections, and that's what mutes the signal temporarily.

To test this, try running the OPPO at 1080i output resolution. If it works reliably at 1080i, but continues to have the problem at 1080p, then you may need to upgrade your HDMI cables.

I'm assuming the problem doesn't happen at the same place each time you try a given disc. If the problem happens repeatedly at a specific time code on a disc, then that would suggest a problem reading the disc -- see if the disc needs cleaning.
--Bob

hi Bob,
thankyou for the quick reply.
Both my cables are pretty high end(chroma 6 is highly regarded,other cost well over $200) and it would be hard for any one to run a projector and tv using too much of a shorter length.
I am not running both displays at the same time.The tv is off and in standby mode when i am having the drop outs on the projector.It should also be noted that i haven't encountered the issue when running 1080p content off a hard drive,just the disk drive.
I will try disconnecting the tv from the oppo altogether tonight.
It would be very disappointing if the unit was unable to run both displays without having to disconnect/reconnect cables,defeats the purpose of a dual display system.
I do appreciate your help,hopefully there is a workaround.
Cheers rod

I just booted up my Oppo tonight with an audio CD in the drive from a previous session. The device froze on the Oppo screen, before the menu, and the LCD panel shows "OPPO", which is after "HELLO". I've tried rebooting the device several times (there's a 10s delay between a button press on the device and shutdown) and removed the CD from the tray (which did not open when the device was on, but did open from a powered-off state). I've even tried keeping it on for awhile (~5min) to see if it would eventually load, but to no avail. My device is in Energy Saver mode, not Quick Start. Has anyone else experienced this? I'll keep trying to find a solution but I'm a little disappointed that I can't use it right now because I was looking forward to movie night. Thanks for the help.

Try unplugging it from the power source and leave it off for a few minutes.

Bob,

Have you had a chance to view 1080p bluray with your new finding? Basically we are trying to determine if +1 is truly the "default" setting, so I just was curious whether you felt it was only applicable to when something less than 1080p was the source or if you found the +1 consistent across all material.

Edited by globalnomad - 1/19/13 at 7:34am

Quote:

I replied to this earlier, but it seems my reply wasn't posted.

 

Thanks for the suggestion, but that didn't work unfortunately.

 

Also, it seems that when the player first turns on when the HELLO is displayed on the LCD panel, my screen shows the resolution as 1920x1080i. When the LCD panel changes to OPPO, the screen refreshes and my TV shows the resolution as 1920x1080. I have no idea if this related at all, but I thought I'd share it. Also, I tried disconnecting my ethernet cable and restarting, but again that didn't work. I always wait a minute between shutdowns and power-ons.

Yes, 1080p content as well. So far I've not found a reason to avoid +1. I'm using Deep Color OFF.
--Bob

Send OPPO Tech Support an email. They are likely monitoring email over the weekend (when California wakes up).

Unplug EVERYTHING from the player so that only the power cord remains. See if you can boot up that way based on the front panel display -- for example whether it responds to tray open/close, or Home button. Make sure you have fresh batteries in the remote. If you can get the tray to open, remove any disc. Then try reconnecting just the video output cable.
--Bob

If (0) is fuzzing the image it would look sharper with Source Direct. Have you tested this?

I'm guessing that this finding applies to the 105 as well, yes?