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post #4711 of 8953
I'm checking out the sharpness +1 setting and I see there is a setting for "mode 1", "mode 2", and "mode 3". Are you changing the setting in all three modes?
post #4712 of 8953
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Originally Posted by John Clark View Post

I've been happily using my BDP-83 strictly as a Blu Ray player. I have a few key questions I need answered before making the decision to replace it with a BDP-103.

1) Will I see a discernable improvement in Blu Ray picture quality if I move to a BD-103?

2) Can the HDMI input on the 103 be used to connect to the output of my Comcast cable box/dvr and then upscale the output of the cable box to 1080P with good results?

3) Is the interface and ease of use of the 103 for streaming Netflix, etc. well done enough that I can skip purchasing an Apple TV I was going to purchase for that purpose?


Thanks very much for any help.


John
1. No., most likely none at all.

2. Yes.

3. No. it's decent enough but the Roku box is better then all options, including the crappy Roku MHL option which is also crap. Apple TV is decent but its main advantage is AirPlay. My suggestion is get a receiver with AirPlay, a Roku XD or XS and keep your 83 unless you simply want a 103 like i did for 3D and mildly better DVD upconversion.
Edited by Semp1 - 1/19/13 at 11:31pm
post #4713 of 8953
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I agree. Picture Adjustment > HDMI 1 > Sharpness +1 is better for 1080p output of all content resolutions. The default (0) value for Sharpness is fuzzing the image in the Official 1220 firmware. Sharpness +1 works best with 1080p content, but is also an improvement for 720p and 480i content.

I have reported this to OPPO as a bug.

If (0) is fuzzing the image it would look sharper with Source Direct. Have you tested this?

I'm guessing that this finding applies to the 105 as well, yes?

I just did the suggested experiment with Source Direct on HDMI 1 and the fuzzing *ALSO* exists with Source Direct. (As expected, the Sharpness setting itself has no effect when using Source Direct.)

That suggests whatever is going on here is happening in the portion of the video path which is NOT bypassed by Source Direct, and that Sharpness +1 is simply correcting that -- i.e., as opposed to OPPO having picked the wrong default setting for Sharpness. Obviously it will take more digging to figure this out.
--Bob
post #4714 of 8953
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Originally Posted by DanL View Post

I'm checking out the sharpness +1 setting and I see there is a setting for "mode 1", "mode 2", and "mode 3". Are you changing the setting in all three modes?

The "modes" are just 3 different memories for collecting sets of settings so you can switch between whole sets of settings by just changing Mode.

It really doesn't matter which Mode set you use. There is no hidden difference between them. All that matters is the settings you select in your currently chosen Mode.
--Bob
post #4715 of 8953
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

Well for Snow White it was a center channel issue. Once I stopped and started the disc again it worked fine. But the weird thing is the dialogue cut out at the exact same part of the disc every time I rewound to the minute before it happened, tricking me into thinking it was a disc issue, but then worked properly when I shut it down and restarted it. With Brave I was fast forwarding and then when I hit play all of a sudden all channels had a very robotic sound not just the center channel. The issue with Snow White happened before the most recent firmware update and Brave happened with the most recent firmware update. So an audio issue occurred on two different updates. I reset to factory settings all the time after every update and also erase Persistent Storage. I am using one HDMI cable, the same one that came with my 83 and bit streaming the audio. All other electronics work fine connected to my receiver (Onkyo 709) this is clearly an OPPO compatibility issue or player/firmware issue. I'll call OPPO but its not something that is just reproduced and has now produced two separate audio issues. I'm assuming they're going to walk me through some pointless steps and then I'll just sit and use my player until the issue occurs again when I will need to call them and send it in for a warranty repair. I'm honestly dissappointed. After the bullet proof 83 I feel like the 103 is having a little QC control issues. I do love the player and I know OPPO will rectify all issues free of charge. I'm just disappointed since I've had a few other issues with this player since I purchased it and never had one with the 83 in 3 years of use. I guess these are the issues with buying first batch electronics.

My mistake on "Brave". I jumped to the conclusion that "unintelligible" meant the problem was just in the dialog (i.e., Center channel).

Have you done any experiments with HDMI LPCM output to see if the problem happens that way? Given this is an apparently rare occurrence I would expect not, but perhaps you have.

The one suggestion I can make is that you switch to the HDMI cable the came with your 103. Even though the cable that came with your 83 *SHOULD* be perfectly adequate, the testing regimen for cables has become much stricter in the intervening years and so the newer cable could quite possibly be "better".

The Snow White case might still be explained as a disc read error, particularly if you opened/closed the tray as part of the power cycle, possibly dislodging a piece of dust. But the fact that you only lost the Center channel each time makes it much more likely it was a signal problem between the OPPO and the Onkyo.

If it does turn out to be a hardware problem in the player, well of course that's what warranties are for. Some percentage of all electronic devices will have failures. But the vast majority of times, issues like this come down to HDMI cabling. So while waiting to sort things out with OPPO I suggest you switch to the cable that came with the 103, and double-check that the plugs are fully inserted into the sockets at each end with nothing (e.g., cable weight) tugging the plug in any direction.
--Bob
post #4716 of 8953
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Originally Posted by John Clark View Post

I've been happily using my BDP-83 strictly as a Blu Ray player. I have a few key questions I need answered before making the decision to replace it with a BDP-103.

1) Will I see a discernable improvement in Blu Ray picture quality if I move to a BD-103?

2) Can the HDMI input on the 103 be used to connect to the output of my Comcast cable box/dvr and then upscale the output of the cable box to 1080P with good results?

3) Is the interface and ease of use of the 103 for streaming Netflix, etc. well done enough that I can skip purchasing an Apple TV I was going to purchase for that purpose?


Thanks very much for any help.


John

Blu-ray picture quality will be VERY similar -- excellent in both players. There are other reasons to get the 103 such as the fact that it is much faster, handles damaged or dirty discs better, handles DVD 24p Conversion better, and has additional features and functions.

Yes you can upscale the Comcast input. To get maximum benefit you need to set the Comcast to "native" resolution output, so that it sends 480, 720p, or 1080i to the OPPO according to whatever channel you are watching at the moment. This lets the OPPO do all the heavy lifting, which is what you want for image quality. The down side to that is there must be an HDMI handshake when you change between channels broadcast at different resolutions.

I find the user interface for Netflix both adequate and fast enough, but it really depends on what matters to you. I still prefer to go to their website to search for content to add to my Instant Queue.

Navigating the Netflix interface using an attached USB keyboard works pretty well, too.
--Bob
post #4717 of 8953
I thought direct connection via ethernet cable should eliminate unwanted influence from router/hub. Thus could increase PQ and SQ. Am I missing something here? I don't have 103 yet. I will ask dealer to try it first:)1.gif
post #4718 of 8953
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Originally Posted by billsmith45 View Post

I thought direct connection via ethernet cable should eliminate unwanted influence from router/hub. Thus could increase PQ and SQ. Am I missing something here? I don't have 103 yet. I will ask dealer to try it first:)1.gif

You mean wired vs wireless, or doing without a router altogether?

Networks of various configurations may have bandwidth and reliability issues, but apart from that they have to transmit data without error or networked computers wouldn't work.

What unwanted router influences could decrease PQ/AQ?

-Nill
post #4719 of 8953
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I just did the suggested experiment with Source Direct on HDMI 1 and the fuzzing *ALSO* exists with Source Direct. (As expected, the Sharpness setting itself has no effect when using Source Direct.)

What are you using as test material? Are you just comparing HDMI 1 to HDMI 2? I'd like to try to reproduce what you're seeing.
post #4720 of 8953
Just got my 103:D,quick question:should I update the player then install the pro mod kit or the oposit?
The pro mod kit will arrive tomorrow.
post #4721 of 8953
Hi I running the split HDMI set-up HDMI 1 direct to the display (VT50) and HDMI 2 to the AVR (Marantz SR5007). Oppo is set to split AV, which I assume means the audio is going through the Marantz and the video signal is direct to the display. My quesiton is, do I want to set resolution to "auto" or "source direct" or does it matter?

Thanks
post #4722 of 8953
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Originally Posted by ev700401 View Post

I got the "your TV does not support this program's content protection" message tonight after using my Oppo for about 2 months now.

My TV only has 1 HDMI input so I have to run Directv through the Oppo unless I want to manually switch cables for different device usage.

When HDMI goes straight from Directv box to my TV everything is fine, when I run it through the Oppo I get that message on the HD movie channels and then the Oppo freezes or if I can get it to change channels it is choppy and out of synch until I restart the Oppo.

I read that other people have had this message too, I was wondering what is the latest on this issue? My unit has the latest firmware (1220) update. I tried some different video output resolution settings, but that didn't help.


I get this message only when trying to watch channel 106 (3D) live.  If I start recording the program that is on when I got that message, then I can watch it with no problem right away as a recorded program.  Just curious, can you record a program where you get that message and then start watching it from the list?  I'd like to see if you get the same strange behavior that I am seeing.

post #4723 of 8953
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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

Hi I running the split HDMI set-up HDMI 1 direct to the display (VT50) and HDMI 2 to the AVR (Marantz SR5007). Oppo is set to split AV, which I assume means the audio is going through the Marantz and the video signal is direct to the display. My quesiton is, do I want to set resolution to "auto" or "source direct" or does it matter?

Thanks

As a general rule we advise explicit settings rather than AUTO. Every now and then other gear down the line returns weird values as to what it expects from the player. Set it to a known value and there is no guessing.

Are you sure you want Source Direct rather than 1080p?

-Bill
post #4724 of 8953
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

As a general rule we advise explicit settings rather than AUTO. Every now and then other gear down the line returns weird values as to what it expects from the player. Set it to a known value and there is no guessing.

Are you sure you want Source Direct rather than 1080p?

-Bill

Thanks for the response Bill.

As to your question,,, I don't know. eek.gif What is the primary difference between the two and is their an impact on PQ?
post #4725 of 8953
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

My mistake on "Brave". I jumped to the conclusion that "unintelligible" meant the problem was just in the dialog (i.e., Center channel).

Have you done any experiments with HDMI LPCM output to see if the problem happens that way? Given this is an apparently rare occurrence I would expect not, but perhaps you have.

The one suggestion I can make is that you switch to the HDMI cable the came with your 103. Even though the cable that came with your 83 *SHOULD* be perfectly adequate, the testing regimen for cables has become much stricter in the intervening years and so the newer cable could quite possibly be "better".

The Snow White case might still be explained as a disc read error, particularly if you opened/closed the tray as part of the power cycle, possibly dislodging a piece of dust. But the fact that you only lost the Center channel each time makes it much more likely it was a signal problem between the OPPO and the Onkyo.

If it does turn out to be a hardware problem in the player, well of course that's what warranties are for. Some percentage of all electronic devices will have failures. But the vast majority of times, issues like this come down to HDMI cabling. So while waiting to sort things out with OPPO I suggest you switch to the cable that came with the 103, and double-check that the plugs are fully inserted into the sockets at each end with nothing (e.g., cable weight) tugging the plug in any direction.
--Bob
Thanks. I will try switching the HDMI cable although I'm mpretty sure that's not the issue. Considering they look like they're the exact same cable, and I'm pretty sure they are. I won't on the other hand even bother trying to switch to LPCM because I like to bitstream. It should work properly using both audio deliveries the same way the 83 did without a work around. Clearly others on this forum use bitstream with out any issues. I'm pretty sure ill be sending this in the second it occurs again. Defects are unacceptable on any player but especially unacceptable on an $500 OPPO.
post #4726 of 8953
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

As a general rule we advise explicit settings rather than AUTO. Every now and then other gear down the line returns weird values as to what it expects from the player. Set it to a known value and there is no guessing.

Are you sure you want Source Direct rather than 1080p?

-Bill

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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

Thanks for the response Bill.

As to your question,,, I don't know. eek.gif What is the primary difference between the two and is their an impact on PQ?

I might have answered my own question Bill, or at least part of it. wink.gif The kids are watching Finding Nemo on Blue Ray and I switched between the two (Source Direct and 1080p) and I noticed a difference in PQ right away. The pictures appears more crisp and the colors pop more - maybe it's just a placebo effect? When would I need Source Direct?
post #4727 of 8953
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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

Thanks for the response Bill.

As to your question,,, I don't know. eek.gif What is the primary difference between the two and is their an impact on PQ?

Source Direct is for when you want all video processing done outside the player. Say you have a video processor, AVR, or display where you believe the processing will be better than the player's.

Some controls are not available for Source Direct: zoom and Picture Adjustments, for example.

For Blu-ray the difference between Source Direct and 1080p will be minor because BR requires relatively little processing. But you can compare scenes and test patterns to see what your think.

DVD is a different story. It is more difficult to get a good image out of DVD and the difference between processing in and outside of the player is likely to be more dramatic. We spent a lot of time analyzing this in the DVD player days; it grows less important with time (unless you are film buff with a huge DVD collection).

-Bill
post #4728 of 8953
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Originally Posted by cssnms View Post

The pictures appears more crisp and the colors pop more - maybe it's just a placebo effect?

That would be my first suspicion but other factors may come into play. Do you have 1080p24 ON? If off your display may be responding differently to 1080p24 from Source Direct and 1080p60 from 1080p.

Are all the Picture Adjustments at 0?

-Bill
post #4729 of 8953
I sent an e-mail to Oppo support recently regarding the Judge Dredd Bluray showing up as "unknown disc" in my 103. Here is their response:

"We would recommend having the disc replaced. A disc which reports Unknown Disc sounds defective and will not load in our player.
We have seen a lot of reports of discs bought from Best Buy which are producing these errors across a wide range of players, including our own,
which have been resolved by replacing the disc or purchasing the disc at another location."

"Best regards,"

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.


And to add to that, I did buy the disc at Best Buy. I was auditioning a new SVS subwoofer and ran up there to grab something recent with strong bass soundtrack.
post #4730 of 8953
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Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

I believe oppo is aware of the issue and is looking at improving the overall hdcp handshake process when using the oppo input.

From Oppo:

We are currently working on the issue and have isolated it to some devices having very poor HDMI clocks which results in a jitter filled HDMI signal. We will be increasing the tolerances on what the player considers to be an acceptable HDMI signal through a future firmware release. One such attempt is going through internal beta testing now, with external beta testing and public testing to likely occur in the coming week or two.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
post #4731 of 8953
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

Thanks. I will try switching the HDMI cable although I'm mpretty sure that's not the issue. Considering they look like they're the exact same cable, and I'm pretty sure they are.
The point of switching cables is to help rule out a defective one, so even if they "look the same" it doesn't mean that one isn't defective.
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I won't on the other hand even bother trying to switch to LPCM because I like to bitstream. It should work properly using both audio deliveries the same way the 83 did without a work around.
The point of trying LPCM is to help diagnose the problem, not a suggestion that you have to leave it that way permanently. Though I usually have my player set to bitstream, there's really no downside to using LPCM unless you absolutely must have the lights on on your AVR to feel you're getting your money's worth (in which case one might say you aren't getting your money's worth out of the Oppo since it can also do the decoding).
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Defects are unacceptable on any player but especially unacceptable on an $500 OPPO.
While I agree with this in principal, it's an unfortunate fact of life. I doubt anyone can find a player at any price that doesn't have some defects. wink.gif
post #4732 of 8953
I am really enjoying my 103. Last night was the first time I had an opportunity to try a SACD. I am driving my amps directly from the 103 analog outs and currently using the 103 as a pre-amp. I had the SACD output set to DSD, sounded great but no volume control. I switched the SACD output to PCM and the volume control worked again. Is this the normal operation or do I need to change a setting to allow the 103 to adjust the volume level when outputting DSD?

Thanks,
Ed
post #4733 of 8953
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

That would be my first suspicion but other factors may come into play. Do you have 1080p24 ON? If off your display may be responding differently to 1080p24 from Source Direct and 1080p60 from 1080p.

Are all the Picture Adjustments at 0?

-Bill

Bill - I double checked and it's set to 1080p24 Auto.
post #4734 of 8953
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Originally Posted by EdBag4 View Post

I had the SACD output set to DSD, sounded great but no volume control. I switched the SACD output to PCM and the volume control worked again. Is this the normal operation or do I need to change a setting to allow the 103 to adjust the volume level when outputting DSD?
When DSD (Direct-Stream Digital) audio is passed as a bit-stream (ie: ones and zeros) to your amplifier, it is decoded by your amplifiers on-board DSD decoder. You can't alter the volume level of a bit-stream. You can only alter the volume level of a PCM stream.
Edited by SeeMoreDigital - 1/20/13 at 1:50pm
post #4735 of 8953
Hi I just got my new oppo 103, im kinda new at this stuff I was wondering whats the best way to connect my 2.1 ch BOSE cinemate series ii to the oppo 103 since I don't have a 5.1 surround speakers with optic cable. what setting do I have to do so it can sound the best it can

http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/home_theater/simplified_home_theater/cinemate_series_ii/index.jsp
post #4736 of 8953
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I just did the suggested experiment with Source Direct on HDMI 1 and the fuzzing *ALSO* exists with Source Direct. (As expected, the Sharpness setting itself has no effect when using Source Direct.)

What are you using as test material? Are you just comparing HDMI 1 to HDMI 2? I'd like to try to reproduce what you're seeing.

I'm using calibration discs, e.g., Spears & Munsil and others.

I'm comparing HDMI 1 explicit 1080p with Sharpness 0 and +1 vs. HDMI 1 Source Direct with Sharpness 0 and +1. The two Source Direct checks match what HDMI 1 explicit 1080p produces with Sharpness 0 -- the image is fuzzed. I.e, the Sharpness setting is bypassed with Source Direct (as expected), and whatever is going on to fuzz the image is happening in the portion of the video path which is NOT bypassed by Source Direct (NOT as expected).
--Bob
post #4737 of 8953
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Originally Posted by MurrayW View Post


I get this message only when trying to watch channel 106 (3D) live.  If I start recording the program that is on when I got that message, then I can watch it with no problem right away as a recorded program.  Just curious, can you record a program where you get that message and then start watching it from the list?  I'd like to see if you get the same strange behavior that I am seeing.

Sorry, I do not have DVR, just the regular Directv HD receiver.

I've temporarily gone straight from my Directv receiver to the TV and will hook the Oppo back up when I want to use it. I read they are working on a solution in a future firmware update, hopefully it comes soon.
post #4738 of 8953
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I'm using calibration discs, e.g., Spears & Munsil and others.

I'm comparing HDMI 1 explicit 1080p with Sharpness 0 and +1 vs. HDMI 1 Source Direct with Sharpness 0 and +1. The two Source Direct checks match what HDMI 1 explicit 1080p produces with Sharpness 0 -- the image is fuzzed. I.e, the Sharpness setting is bypassed with Source Direct (as expected), and whatever is going on to fuzz the image is happening in the portion of the video path which is NOT bypassed by Source Direct (NOT as expected).
--Bob

Sorry, what I was asking was how you determined that the image via HDMI 1 is softer than it should be. Are you comparing it to HDMI 2, another player, memory from a previous firmware version, etc.?

The Disney WOW disc has a number of advanced scaling tests to determine pixel precision, and all of them line up perfectly on my display including a full screen 1x1 pixel checkerboard, so my setup appears to be resolving every bit of detail on the disc on both HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 at both 1080p and Source Direct. I suppose something could be occurring in the motion processing that's affecting moving content, but based on test patterns, every pixel is accounted for. Do you have the WOW disc?
post #4739 of 8953
Thanks for the response SMD. If I understand what you are saying it seems odd to me that the DSD vs PCM selection in setup would have anything to do with the analog output. The analog outs would always have to be sending analog audio (duh) and not digital signals.

Thanks again,
Ed
post #4740 of 8953
Guys,

I'm having problem with playing my BDMV files.
Last week they were all playing smoothly, but last night there were errors of "wrong disc" and hanging during loading.
Anyone of you guys encountered this?

Thanks smile.gif
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