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post #4741 of 16402
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post

Sorry, what I was asking was how you determined that the image via HDMI 1 is softer than it should be. Are you comparing it to HDMI 2, another player, memory from a previous firmware version, etc.?

The Disney WOW disc has a number of advanced scaling tests to determine pixel precision, and all of them line up perfectly on my display including a full screen 1x1 pixel checkerboard, so my setup appears to be resolving every bit of detail on the disc on both HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 at both 1080p and Source Direct. I suppose something could be occurring in the motion processing that's affecting moving content, but based on test patterns, every pixel is accounted for. Do you have the WOW disc?

It's not a "real" loss of resolution like a scaling error.

What appears to be happening is that edge pixels are being assigned an intermediate Luma value. This softens the edge contrast -- fuzzing the image. It is happening on both horizontal and vertical edges.

As such it is unlikely to stand out in those scaling charts because the pixels are being rendered in the correct places, just with a uniformly different Luma value.

The effect only seems to happen on Luma edges. Chroma edges show no problem.

I'd say this has all the classic signs of Luma edge enhancement (Sharpness) set a notch too low. However, the negative result from the Source Direct test still needs to be explained.
--Bob
post #4742 of 16402
Love my new 103, my third Oppo (fourth if I count upgrading the 83 to the SE). Found out on the pass through on the OPPO from the Dish box to the TV with the stereo off, some of the HD channels must mix their audio signal differently which then comes out scratchy and requiring more volume through the TV speakers. I only use the HD channels, so turned to all channels mode and listened to a non HD channel and the sound is normal volume and clarity. I don't run my tubed preamp all the time obviously....

By the way, the picture does "pop" by running Dish HD through the 103. I also A-B'd my SE through separate inputs on the Audio Research Preamp and with the volume control on the 103 matching them. The 103 through my Apogee Duetta Signatures has more sparkle in the high's and a definite fuller dimension in the bass. Ran both for a day before listening. All the way around, CD's, SACD's, and DVD-a's all in the stereo mode were noticeably improved. When I replaced the SE in the discrete 7.1 channel connection to my AVR, once again it all just opened up throughout the range with again, instruments having more 'space'.

I also notice an individual instrumental clarity to things like guitar, cello's and piano. It's just like a little emphasis to distinguish the instrument from the surrounding sound Am a percussionist with symphonic experience, as well as a life long audiophile, and timbre hits my sweet-spot. Things just have a more discrete placement as well as overall believable imaging. It's been a long time since I stayed up all night listening to my favorites like I did years ago when I got the Audio Research and then the Appogees.

Oh, dvd's, the up-scaling creates deeper colors, better black control, and I just have a LG, not even 3D. The least difference I see so far is in the BD which I have spent the least amount of time watching with all the audio and dvd concerts taking precedent. I have many Blu Rays, but the week hasn't been long enough. As above though, if I knew how much the Dish HD picture would be improved, I would have gotten one earlier. I was trying to find someone who was heavy into the audio in comparison to the SE. Have tried some digital things recorded on the computer and put through the usb's and as advertised, "wowser". No problem with anything I have recorded on cd's or dvd's. Don't have any BD's that aren't originals, so can't comment on those issues. Just a big rave from someone who was in audio from '69, through video from the top loaded wired monsters, laser discs, four channel devices, and many things I have long forgotten. I remember selling the first four channel device from Electrovoice, which was a little box for $29 which simply put the back two speakers out of phase. Being retired, I waited and read about the 103, but if I knew months ago what I have experienced this week......
Edited by chidancer - 1/20/13 at 6:49pm
post #4743 of 16402
I have a Darbee as well as a 103. I paused some programs to compare what the Darbee and Oppo Sharpness set at +1 were doing. I looked at a scene of stars in space and both enhance the brightness of the stars with +1 being even more aggressive than the Darbee which I have set at HD 45. I looked at an overhead shot of Gillette Stadium and saw the same result. Looking at facial close ups each are enhancing different areas. I don't see any edge enhancement going on which is a good thing. The one negative I see with both is they bring out noise in the picture if it is already there in the source. The manual does describe sharpness +1 as a detail enhancer and it definitely does that. I have my Fios box going into the HDMI input of the 103. The picture with both activated is amazingly sharp with very little negative consequence. I kinda wish there were stages of detail enhancement in the Oppo like the Darbee. Half the effect of +1 would be interesting to see.
Edited by pwiss - 1/20/13 at 8:02pm
post #4744 of 16402
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

I have a Darbee as well as a 103. I paused some programs to compare what the Darbee and Oppo Sharpness set at +1 were doing. I looked at a scene of stars in space and both enhance the brightness of the stars with +1 being even more aggressive than the Darbee which I have set at HD 45. I looked at an overhead shot of Gillette Stadium and saw the same result. Looking at facial close ups each are enhancing different areas. I don't see any edge enhancement going on which is a good thing. The one negative I see with both is they bring out noise in the picture if it is already there in the source. The manual does describe sharpness +1 as a detail enhancer and it definitely does that. I have my Fios box going into the HDMI input of the 103. The picture with both activated is amazingly sharp with very little negative consequence. I kinda wish there were stages of detail enhancement in the Oppo like the Darbee. Half the effect of +1 would be interesting to see.

Would really love to hear all your testing on this as I was considering a Darbee but after the extra detail I obtained via the Oppo Sharpness I wasn't sure if I'd still need it. Interesting to hear that they both seem to be effecting different parts of a scene. Have you tried watching material with both on?
post #4745 of 16402
i just got 2 3d movies form BestBuy Dredd and Promthius .Promithius played Dredd did not play it said unkown cd just like yours ??? should i go return Dredd back? to best buy
post #4746 of 16402
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Originally Posted by DanL View Post

I sent an e-mail to Oppo support recently regarding the Judge Dredd Bluray showing up as "unknown disc" in my 103. Here is their response:

"We would recommend having the disc replaced. A disc which reports Unknown Disc sounds defective and will not load in our player.
We have seen a lot of reports of discs bought from Best Buy which are producing these errors across a wide range of players, including our own,
which have been resolved by replacing the disc or purchasing the disc at another location."

"Best regards,"

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.


And to add to that, I did buy the disc at Best Buy. I was auditioning a new SVS subwoofer and ran up there to grab something recent with strong bass soundtrack.


i just got 2 3d movies form BestBuy Dredd and Promthius .Promithius played Dredd did not play it said unkown cd just like yours ??? should i go return Dredd back? to best buy
post #4747 of 16402
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Originally Posted by SocratesH View Post

i just got 2 3d movies form BestBuy Dredd and Promthius .Promithius played Dredd did not play it said unkown cd just like yours ??? should i go return Dredd back? to best buy


Best Buy will consider the Bluray "open software" in which case they do not have to accept the return for anything more than exchange for the same title.
However in the past I have had good luck with them bending that rule. Recently they let me trade "Total Recal" for another title by telling them to google
"Total Recal lip sync issue". They took my word for it but your mileage can vary from different stores or customer service reps.

I would definitely try to return it.
post #4748 of 16402
Hi guys,

Is it possible to connect a PS3 to the Oppo BDP-103 in order to bitstream HD audio to an HDMI 1.3 AVR through HDMI output #2 and send out 3D video over HDMI output #1?
post #4749 of 16402
I am currently running an Integra 50.4 with dual subs for 7.2 sound system.
I am very interested in purchasing the Oppo bdp-103 but wondering how it would work on a 7.2 system since the specs seem to be for 7.1.
post #4750 of 16402
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Originally Posted by DanL View Post

Best Buy will consider the Bluray "open software" in which case they do not have to accept the return for anything more than exchange for the same title.
However in the past I have had good luck with them bending that rule. Recently they let me trade "Total Recal" for another title by telling them to google
"Total Recal lip sync issue". They took my word for it but your mileage can vary from different stores or customer service reps.

I would definitely try to return it.


is it just some bestbuy cdz dont work or if u go buy another dredd dvd from somewere else it wont play it?
post #4751 of 16402
I've had my BDP-103 for a couple months now and I've been enjoying it. When I previously bought a BDP-83 I updated it with a region / zone kit from jvb digital. While I owned the unit, I never had any problems despite applying numerous firmware updates to the BDP-83.

I'm planning to similarly modify my BDP-103 and am wondering what the current consensus is for trouble free playback - bluraychip or jvb digital? I seem to recall one of them had been inadvertently affected by firmware releases and hope to avoid a similar problem.

Thanks!
post #4752 of 16402
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Originally Posted by SocratesH View Post

is it just some bestbuy cdz dont work or if u go buy another dredd dvd from somewere else it wont play it?

Again, from OPPO Tech support:

"We have seen a lot of reports of discs bought from Best Buy which are producing these errors across a wide range of players, including our own,
which have been resolved by replacing the disc or purchasing the disc at another location."
post #4753 of 16402
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Originally Posted by rickydenim View Post

Would really love to hear all your testing on this as I was considering a Darbee but after the extra detail I obtained via the Oppo Sharpness I wasn't sure if I'd still need it. Interesting to hear that they both seem to be effecting different parts of a scene. Have you tried watching material with both on?

Plus 1 on that. I've been looking at the Darby and wondering the same thing.
post #4754 of 16402
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Originally Posted by DanL View Post

Again, from OPPO Tech support:

"We have seen a lot of reports of discs bought from Best Buy which are producing these errors across a wide range of players, including our own,
which have been resolved by replacing the disc or purchasing the disc at another location."

So what is it about BB discs that leads to this trouble???
post #4755 of 16402
I have a 103 and a darbee. The +1 sharpness setting on any resolution besides source direct does make a noticeable (and positive) difference in the picture. The darbee further enhances the contrast and perceived sharpness when used with the +1 sharpness setting on the oppo. The two work together and enhance the picture in a positive way more than either one alone.

Thanks,
-Alex-
post #4756 of 16402
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Originally Posted by ev700401 View Post


Sorry, I do not have DVR, just the regular Directv HD receiver.

I've temporarily gone straight from my Directv receiver to the TV and will hook the Oppo back up when I want to use it. I read they are working on a solution in a future firmware update, hopefully it comes soon.

So the error goes away when you connect DirecTV directly to your TV?

post #4757 of 16402
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Originally Posted by EdBag4 View Post

Thanks for the response SMD. If I understand what you are saying it seems odd to me that the DSD vs PCM selection in setup would have anything to do with the analog output. The analog outs would always have to be sending analog audio (duh) and not digital signals.

Thanks again,
Ed
The volume control is done in the digital domain and can only be done on a PCM signal. Any such signal manipulation can only be done in PCM.
post #4758 of 16402
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

So what is it about BB discs that leads to this trouble???

I think it's just that Best Buy is the ubiquitous brick and mortar store that people shop at so any issues with discs are likely to "come" from BB. It's could be anything from a bad batch of discs to user error.
post #4759 of 16402
Forgive me for the sophomoric question, but the oppo 103 does in fact have FI? And if so, does this cover for projectors that lack FI themselves (e.g. benq w1070?)

Danke
post #4760 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dekkerEssex7 View Post

Forgive me for the sophomoric question, but the oppo 103 does in fact have FI? And if so, does this cover for projectors that lack FI themselves (e.g. benq w1070?)

Danke

What is FI?

-Bill
post #4761 of 16402
Can I ask a quick question on DLNA playback with the Opp-103. I understand it can playback Mpeg2 interlaced VOB files from a folder, and you have a option to shuffle the files.

However, if you had a hierarchy of folders with VOB files within each folder, can you go to the top level (where the DLNA server is sharing the folder) and are you able to select the folder and then playback all files below (with shuffle).

e.g.



etc.

Thanks !
post #4762 of 16402
I assume he means frame interpolation?

-Alex-
post #4763 of 16402
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Originally Posted by bairda View Post

I assume he means frame interpolation?

-Alex-

Hope not! I'm not aware of any player that does interpolation.

-Bill
post #4764 of 16402
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Can I ask a quick question on DLNA playback with the Opp-103. I understand it can playback Mpeg2 interlaced VOB files from a folder, and you have a option to shuffle the files.

However, if you had a hierarchy of folders with VOB files within each folder, can you go to the top level (where the DLNA server is sharing the folder) and are you able to select the folder and then playback all files below (with shuffle).

e.g.



etc.

Thanks !

That works on locally attached storage: choose "Movies" at the top; this flattens the folder hierarchy and shows all the video files. Then the BLUE button on the remote starts the random/shuffle sequence.

For DLNA it may depend on the presentation that the server offers. I'm using Twonky which has an "All Videos" view. Select that and use the BLUE button again for randomize.

In both cases, if you have a large collection there may be an issue of subsetting just those files you want to play at any one time. I'm not sure if it is possible to restrict to just a specific set of subfolders. Maybe some setup on the DLNA end could manage this.

-Bill
post #4765 of 16402
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Originally Posted by SocratesH View Post

i just got 2 3d movies form BestBuy Dredd and Promthius .Promithius played Dredd did not play it said unkown cd just like yours ??? should i go return Dredd back? to best buy

I have the 103 and Dredd 3D and 2D played great. I got mine disc at an HMV in Toronto.

BTW, the sound and picture quality were great on Dredd watching on my VT25.

JJ
post #4766 of 16402
Hi, I've had the Oppo 103 for two weeks and the picture and sound is outstanding. It also does a great job with playing PAL DVDs, no stuttering or lip sync issues like my old player. There have been two issues though. Randomly upon startup the disk tray will open and stay open. I haven't installed the latest firmware yet so maybe that will fix it.

The other issue is a hum in the center channel speaker when hooking up the analog outputs. I'm using hdmi 1 from the oppo to the tv, rca cable from tv to receiver (old receiver). Everything works great until I add the analog connection directly to the receiver. The hum can be heard when selecting any input on the receiver or tv, even with the Oppo off. I've tried different cables and moved the Oppo away from the receiver but it didn't help. I haven't noticed the hum through the tv's speakers. Anybody have any ideas?
post #4767 of 16402

this is a little geeky, hoping someone has some definitive insight.

 

i'm about to pull the trigger on a 103, there's one scenario that i don't think it will cover that is holding me back.

 

i want to be able to control the device from a smartphone/ipad/web app without having my projector/TV turned on.

 

ie, i want to be able to traverse network attached content and play it via remote control interface. this requires that the oppo be capable of publishing information programatically (via web services or whatever) which can be used by smartphones/web apps/etc.

 

i emailed oppo support, and they quickly sent me their latest API document, which basically just outlines how you can write a program that will mimic the IR remote control using TCP/IP instead of IR. there looks to be no capability to ask the oppo 'whats your current location?' and 'what track are you playing and what meta data can you tell me about it'?

 

i realize that this program does not exist currently, but if oppo would publish an API that allowed for this type of bi-directional communication, then 3rd party developers (such as myself) can write apps that will do the job.

 

any comments? 

 

thanks

post #4768 of 16402
There is an Android App for the 93/95 but they haven't released anything for the 103/105 yet. Having said that I know both Roomie and iRule have basic Oppo control with feedback that I think works with the 103.

Oops I need to qualify that looks like they are using RS232 for feedback. Hopefully Oppo will get theirs out soon.
Edited by obie_fl - 1/21/13 at 2:35pm
post #4769 of 16402
Thread Starter 
OPPO will be making a Media Remote for the BDP-10x series in the future. This is already available on the BDP-9x series of players.
post #4770 of 16402
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Originally Posted by JJMONIE View Post

I have the 103 and Dredd 3D and 2D played great. I got mine disc at an HMV in Toronto.

BTW, the sound and picture quality were great on Dredd watching on my VT25.

JJ

my copy of dredd worked great with my oppo 93 and gt25 set.

Jacob
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