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post #4891 of 16364
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

I think you said you were using Win 7 if so make sure you don't have Microsoft Live Essentials installed. Numerous posts earlier in the thread about that being the culprit with Win 7.

That did it biggrin.gif

Thanks so much,

Jim
post #4892 of 16364
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Originally Posted by bolmsted View Post

Only Best Rated in Canada is showing an Oppo BDP-103 Region Free Kit. Has anyone tried?

http://www.onlybestrated.com/region-free-external-internal-kit-for-oppo-bdp-103.html

That appears to be a similar mod to one that is available for the BDP-93. Can be installed inside or outside. Should work OK.
post #4893 of 16364
has anyone else here tried the 2D to 3D conversion for the movie "Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen" ? i was just blown away! if nobody told me it wasn't native 3d,i wouldn't have been able to tell the difference! it is that spectacular especially "The Big Screen Edition" Simply amazing!1.gif
post #4894 of 16364
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Originally Posted by poligjf View Post

has anyone else here tried the 2D to 3D conversion for the movie "Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen" ? i was just blown away! if nobody told me it wasn't native 3d,i wouldn't have been able to tell the difference! it is that spectacular especially "The Big Screen Edition" Simply amazing!1.gif

One of the Comments added to the recent Secrets of Home Theater review of the BDP-103 might be interesting to you:

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sedht (signed in using yahoo)

For the 3D enthusiast, the Oppo's native 3D performamnce [sic] is outstanding. Most notable is the 2D to 3D conversion. Please note that the conversion process works much better with Blu-ray discs that features outdoor lighting / high-key lighting. Films like ZULU ( the imported Paramount Blu-ray release) and the restored Sony version of LAURENCE of ARABIA are really great in 3D! The 2D to 3D conversion is less than average when dealing with low-key lighting / night scenes. The 2D - 3D coversion works OK with standard DVD sources and with other digital sources. I have seen very little, written press regarding the 3D side of the Oppo-103 and 105 players. Some may view 3D as a gimmick, but in the hands of good directors and in great mastered - film transfers, it does work! - please check out TRON LEGACY and THE LIFE of PI. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a film purist, but seeing some of the great older film classics in 3D is a real kicker!

--Bob
post #4895 of 16364
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Originally Posted by iatacs19 View Post

Does the dual core processor really make a noticeable difference in overall responsiveness and speed? In terms of usability how much of an improvement can I expect from the MediaTek dual core CPU?

Absolutely. The 103 and 105 are significantly faster than the prior OPPO players, which were already considered best in class for speed when they came out.

As a Beta tester, I often find myself running the same tests on the 83, 93, and 105 -- and it's much more fun on the 105. I've you've got an older player, believe me, you'll notice the difference.
--Bob
post #4896 of 16364
Any significant change in the upconverting of sd dvds between the 83 and the 103 and 105?
post #4897 of 16364
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Any significant change in the upconverting of sd dvds between the 83 and the 103 and 105?

The ABT processing of the -83 is very fine and some people prefer it to the QDEO of the -103/105. Although a lot of people have noticed that Mediatek-only video from HDMI2 on the new players is remarkably good these days.

The QDEO has more Noise Reduction and Sharpening controls if you want to experiment with that; I leave it alone.

24p from film-cadenced DVD sources works better on the new players, but it is an entirely manual selection, no automatic cadence detection. The FAQ has more: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported? (That's the -93 FAQ but the feature is the same in the -103/105).

I find 24hz of little interest, but others may be more sensitive to pulldown judder.

-Bill
post #4898 of 16364
LAURENCE (???) of Arabia in 3D? Yikes!
post #4899 of 16364
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Originally Posted by comicguy View Post

+1 to everything here. I use a roku xs hooked into a switch which also has a WD live, apple tv, ps3 hooked into it. output from switch goes into the rear oppo hdmi port and all is good!
wireless sucks for everything except convenience IMO, if you can go wired, that is the way to go...

Thanks guys.

I won't bother buying the stick version as I prefer wired also.
post #4900 of 16364
A question for the audio experts.

I received my 103 yesterday and am bummed. I researched this product for long time and while I am confident that it is way better than my Panasonic BDT-210, I hear no difference in audio quality, which is essentially the only reason I upgraded. I did A/B tests yesterday until I was blue in the face and could tell no difference. I even tried the same CD (I have two copies of one) in both players at the same time with a 5-second delay so I could listen to the same exact section of a song on one player right after the other. No difference.

I have nice speakers, Boston Acoustics VR-975's, but my receiver is a lower-end Kenwood (VR-507) that is about 11 years old. Betting that the DAC in the Oppo is superior, I used the analog output of the Oppo so it could do the heavy lifting. I set my receiver to 'source direct' to bypass all processing. I did this for the Panasonic as well. I used component video cables (overpriced Monster's, I believe) to transfer the analog audio from both players.

My guess is that my receiver is now the weak link and no matter how nice my source is, if my receiver is not that great, I won't notice a difference.

If my receiver is the weak link, roughly how much do I have to spend to get a receiver that is roughly on par with my speakers? I don't want to get more receiver than I need.

Of course the other possibility is that the BA's aren't as good as I think they are. But I tend to think that the receiver is weaker.
post #4901 of 16364
Is there anyway to have the '103' screensaver work when viewing the Pandora page? On my cheapie Panasonic player, (BDT220) after a couple of minutes the whole page will begin to rotate and 'fly' into space and come back again, then repeat.
It is sometimes nice to leave to leave the Pandora screen on while selecting different music, etc. I don't want to do that with such a high contrast image on a plasma screen.
post #4902 of 16364
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by electricmanscott View Post

Didn't provide the cure. Specifically what happens is watching Sons of Anarchy, episode ends, 20 seconds to start of next episode, buffer, blank screen, remote no response, turn power off, restart, open netflix.
My response is about generic errors with the player freezing when it is trying to buffer a content. These are random. If the errors are repeatable on the same title, then see this post from yesterday:
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I've seen this on specific titles, and it doesn't seem to go away till you switch to a different title. It's not a buffering issue - its some other issue, and I believe its on the Netflix side.
post #4903 of 16364
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by videoaddikt View Post

Is there anyway to have the '103' screensaver work when viewing the Pandora page?
Unfortunately not at this time. Once the application is launched, it takes over. So the screensaver would have to be built into the application or the application would need to give the player permission to enable the screensaver.
post #4904 of 16364
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Unfortunately not at this time. Once the application is launched, it takes over. So the screensaver would have to be built into the application or the application would need to give the player permission to enable the screensaver.

Thanks, I suspected that was the case. Hopefully they will consider enabling it.
post #4905 of 16364
^ You CAN use Pure Mode (Pure button, upper left on remote) to blank the screen during Pandora listening.
--Bob
post #4906 of 16364
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Originally Posted by electricmanscott View Post

Didn't provide the cure. Specifically what happens is watching Sons of Anarchy, episode ends, 20 seconds to start of next episode, buffer, blank screen, remote no response, turn power off, restart, open netflix.
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Originally Posted by hilgy View Post

Exact same problem here with Netflix when watching a different series, How I met your Mother, froze up on me 3 or 4 times in the past couple days. Tried Netflix on PS3 and Roku with no issues. Still not quite sure if its an issue with the OPPO player or an intermittent issue on the Netflix end of things.

You may want to try deleting the Netflix account data on the Oppo, then re-authorizing it, if you haven't tried already. I think that has worked for a couple of people, although it may be a temporary fix that needs to be repeated in the future.
post #4907 of 16364
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

A question for the audio experts.

I received my 103 yesterday and am bummed. I researched this product for long time and while I am confident that it is way better than my Panasonic BDT-210, I hear no difference in audio quality, which is essentially the only reason I upgraded. I did A/B tests yesterday until I was blue in the face and could tell no difference. I even tried the same CD (I have two copies of one) in both players at the same time with a 5-second delay so I could listen to the same exact section of a song on one player right after the other. No difference.

I have nice speakers, Boston Acoustics VR-975's, but my receiver is a lower-end Kenwood (VR-507) that is about 11 years old. Betting that the DAC in the Oppo is superior, I used the analog output of the Oppo so it could do the heavy lifting. I set my receiver to 'source direct' to bypass all processing. I did this for the Panasonic as well. I used component video cables (overpriced Monster's, I believe) to transfer the analog audio from both players.

My guess is that my receiver is now the weak link and no matter how nice my source is, if my receiver is not that great, I won't notice a difference.

If my receiver is the weak link, roughly how much do I have to spend to get a receiver that is roughly on par with my speakers? I don't want to get more receiver than I need.

Of course the other possibility is that the BA's aren't as good as I think they are. But I tend to think that the receiver is weaker.

while i'm not an audio expert, i do have a new 103 and have a pretty nice setup (pioneer elite 53 + def tech speakers) and have been listening to a lot of hi res 5.1 flacs. i did notice a difference when i went to the 103 with audio, although it is fairly minor.. certainly not a 'night and day' improvement. i would characterize the sound as being more crisp and discrete with the 103 (admittedly a vague description - vocabulary breaks down when describing sound, IMHO).

 

i mainly got the 103 because it will play damn near everything i throw at it (SACD's, DVD-A, 5.1 flacs, etc) without issue.

 

i was disappointed that i saw no video BR improvement vs the $90 sony s590 that it replaces, and the lack of amazon instant play (which i knew about).

 

i'm starting to believe what i've read in many places, that the biggest variance in sound quality (if you have a decent set of speakers and AVR) just comes down to the source mix/engineering... listening to donald fagens 'the nightfly' is just plain amazing.. and thats 24bit 48k (with audio engineer demigod 'Elliott Scheiner'), whereas i just got a 'digitally remastered CD of SRV's 'in step' and it just plain sucks.

 

the 103's better DAC just doesn't make that big a difference IMHO, when compared with the cheaper ones i've heard (the s590, a netgear 550, and the elite 53).. makes me wonder what the 'truely high end' ($5000+) DAC's sound like.. 

 

my $.02

post #4908 of 16364
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

A question for the audio experts.

I received my 103 yesterday and am bummed. I researched this product for long time and while I am confident that it is way better than my Panasonic BDT-210, I hear no difference in audio quality, which is essentially the only reason I upgraded. I did A/B tests yesterday until I was blue in the face and could tell no difference. I even tried the same CD (I have two copies of one) in both players at the same time with a 5-second delay so I could listen to the same exact section of a song on one player right after the other. No difference.

I have nice speakers, Boston Acoustics VR-975's, but my receiver is a lower-end Kenwood (VR-507) that is about 11 years old. Betting that the DAC in the Oppo is superior, I used the analog output of the Oppo so it could do the heavy lifting. I set my receiver to 'source direct' to bypass all processing. I did this for the Panasonic as well. I used component video cables (overpriced Monster's, I believe) to transfer the analog audio from both players.

My guess is that my receiver is now the weak link and no matter how nice my source is, if my receiver is not that great, I won't notice a difference.

If my receiver is the weak link, roughly how much do I have to spend to get a receiver that is roughly on par with my speakers? I don't want to get more receiver than I need.

Of course the other possibility is that the BA's aren't as good as I think they are. But I tend to think that the receiver is weaker.

Speaking as a long time audiophile, I think your system probably doesn't have high enough resolution to hear the difference between the players. It's kind of like putting a $2000 interconnect into a $1000 system. It is likely that it won't sound any better than a $50 interconnect. Every system has a weak link. Sometimes certain components just don't work well together, although this is more common with cables and the amp/speaker combo. I posted earlier about how impressed I am with the 103, especially at the price. I haven't tried it in my high res 2 channel system, but it is outstanding relative to the "audiophile" Panasonic it replaced. I am a believer in the Linn philosophy that the front end is more important than the back end: if resolution is lost at the front, you can't add it back in with really great speakers.

I suspect your receiver. Consider dumping the Kenwood and replacing it with a 5 channel poweramp from Outlaw audio or Emotiva. Connect the Oppo straight into the poweramp. I bought a 5 year old, 200w x 5 channel Anthem poweramp for $600 on eBay 6 years ago. Still running strong and the Oppo sound great.
post #4909 of 16364
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Originally Posted by astrogeeker View Post

while i'm not an audio expert, i do have a new 103 and have a pretty nice setup (pioneer elite 53 + def tech speakers) and have been listening to a lot of hi res 5.1 flacs. i did notice a difference when i went to the 103 with audio, although it is fairly minor.. certainly not a 'night and day' improvement. i would characterize the sound as being more crisp and discrete with the 103 (admittedly a vague description - vocabulary breaks down when describing sound, IMHO).

i mainly got the 103 because it will play damn near everything i throw at it (SACD's, DVD-A, 5.1 flacs, etc) without issue.

i was disappointed that i saw no video BR improvement vs the $90 sony s590 that it replaces, and the lack of amazon instant play (which i knew about).

i'm starting to believe what i've read in many places, that the biggest variance in sound quality (if you have a decent set of speakers and AVR) just comes down to the source mix/engineering... listening to donald fagens 'the nightfly' is just plain amazing.. and thats 24bit 48k (with audio engineer demigod 'Elliott Scheiner')
, whereas i just got a 'digitally remastered CD of SRV's 'in step' and it just plain sucks.

the 103's better DAC just doesn't make that big a difference IMHO, when compared with the cheaper ones i've heard (the s590, a netgear 550, and the elite 53).. makes me wonder what the 'truely high end' ($5000+) DAC's sound like.. 

my $.02

I will add that for many years I have been an analog snob. When I wanted good sound, I listened to vinyl. Digital was just for background. However, in the last few years, even some of the really cheap DACs sound amazingly good. Astrogeeker makes a good point that with better DACs, you can now really hear the difference between good recordings and bad ones.
post #4910 of 16364
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ You CAN use Pure Mode (Pure button, upper left on remote) to blank the screen during Pandora listening.
--Bob

Good tip!
post #4911 of 16364
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Originally Posted by astrogeeker View Post

while i'm not an audio expert, i do have a new 103 and have a pretty nice setup (pioneer elite 53 + def tech speakers) and have been listening to a lot of hi res 5.1 flacs. i did notice a difference when i went to the 103 with audio, although it is fairly minor.. certainly not a 'night and day' improvement. i would characterize the sound as being more crisp and discrete with the 103 (admittedly a vague description - vocabulary breaks down when describing sound, IMHO).

i mainly got the 103 because it will play damn near everything i throw at it (SACD's, DVD-A, 5.1 flacs, etc) without issue.

i was disappointed that i saw no video BR improvement vs the $90 sony s590 that it replaces, and the lack of amazon instant play (which i knew about).

i'm starting to believe what i've read in many places, that the biggest variance in sound quality (if you have a decent set of speakers and AVR) just comes down to the source mix/engineering... listening to donald fagens 'the nightfly' is just plain amazing.. and thats 24bit 48k (with audio engineer demigod 'Elliott Scheiner')
, whereas i just got a 'digitally remastered CD of SRV's 'in step' and it just plain sucks.

the 103's better DAC just doesn't make that big a difference IMHO, when compared with the cheaper ones i've heard (the s590, a netgear 550, and the elite 53).. makes me wonder what the 'truely high end' ($5000+) DAC's sound like.. 

my $.02
Thanks for that information.

I was actually surprised to find out that the street price on the DAC for the BDP-103 (Cirrus Logic CS4382A) is about $4. Even cheaper when you buy in quantity. That doesn't mean it's not a good DAC, but I was hoping it would have been more given the player's price. I think the DAC in the 105 is closer to $50.

Are you passing the audio via analog or digital? If I understand it right, if you go HDMI, coax or optical, the Oppo's DAC isn't used and your sound quality becomes dependent on the DAC in your AVR.

Time for me to go AVR shopping...
.
Edited by RaptorX - 1/25/13 at 12:20pm
post #4912 of 16364
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Originally Posted by ajaxmike View Post

Speaking as a long time audiophile, I think your system probably doesn't have high enough resolution to hear the difference between the players. It's kind of like putting a $2000 interconnect into a $1000 system. It is likely that it won't sound any better than a $50 interconnect. Every system has a weak link. Sometimes certain components just don't work well together, although this is more common with cables and the amp/speaker combo. I posted earlier about how impressed I am with the 103, especially at the price. I haven't tried it in my high res 2 channel system, but it is outstanding relative to the "audiophile" Panasonic it replaced. I am a believer in the Linn philosophy that the front end is more important than the back end: if resolution is lost at the front, you can't add it back in with really great speakers.

I suspect your receiver. Consider dumping the Kenwood and replacing it with a 5 channel poweramp from Outlaw audio or Emotiva. Connect the Oppo straight into the poweramp. I bought a 5 year old, 200w x 5 channel Anthem poweramp for $600 on eBay 6 years ago. Still running strong and the Oppo sound great.
Thanks for your reply. It sure feels like the AVR is at fault. Not that the sound is crappy, it's great. It's just that I was hoping to take another step forward in audio quality and I didn't plus I'm now $540 poorer.
post #4913 of 16364
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

A question for the audio experts.

I received my 103 yesterday and am bummed. I researched this product for long time and while I am confident that it is way better than my Panasonic BDT-210, I hear no difference in audio quality, which is essentially the only reason I upgraded. I did A/B tests yesterday until I was blue in the face and could tell no difference. I even tried the same CD (I have two copies of one) in both players at the same time with a 5-second delay so I could listen to the same exact section of a song on one player right after the other. No difference.

I have nice speakers, Boston Acoustics VR-975's, but my receiver is a lower-end Kenwood (VR-507) that is about 11 years old. Betting that the DAC in the Oppo is superior, I used the analog output of the Oppo so it could do the heavy lifting. I set my receiver to 'source direct' to bypass all processing. I did this for the Panasonic as well. I used component video cables (overpriced Monster's, I believe) to transfer the analog audio from both players.

My guess is that my receiver is now the weak link and no matter how nice my source is, if my receiver is not that great, I won't notice a difference.

If my receiver is the weak link, roughly how much do I have to spend to get a receiver that is roughly on par with my speakers? I don't want to get more receiver than I need.

Of course the other possibility is that the BA's aren't as good as I think they are. But I tend to think that the receiver is weaker.

I wouldn't sell the BA 975's too short. I had the 965's and was absolutely amazed how my new Anthem MRX 500 (from a Denon xxx that i gave away) woke those puppies up! That was night and day.
post #4914 of 16364
I had a Kenwood TK-140X back in the 70's, and learned over time that anything will sound better after it has been left on for a day or so. I now have a tubed preamp which requires a day for the higher resolution, but my previous Oppo 83SE also sounded better after a day, as does my new 103. . It's easy enough to try,, and unlike most tweaks, costs nothing but a little electricity. I can only speak for my system, but I previously noted the 103 has a cleaner high end and a more defined bass than the 83SE did in my system.

Love my vinyl, but this 103 has given me a new appreciation to my CD's, SACD's, DVD-a's as well as the BD improvement. As more layers are removed with upgrades, music starts opening up. You have the finest combination player near it's price point and the high end audio magazines have agreed. The Kenwood would be the logical piece to replace. I believe in Harmon Kardon's discrete component sound in the lower priced receivers, and use one of their AVR's to supply the surround sound amplification (with preamp outs which adds to flexibility) to augment my vinyl based audiophile system. The mentioned Outlaw reviews well also. Try leaving your stuff on for a day and see if it doesn't open up!
post #4915 of 16364
Thanks for all the replies!
post #4916 of 16364
Hi All

Just a quick post to say how happy I am with my BDP-103. Earlier sync problems were solved by changing to LPCM. Disc loading times are amazing - with my Panasonic there was almost time to make a cuppa! Love having one button to check on which soundtrack is being used and then being able to change it without stopping play. My Discs look and sound better than any other player I have used. However I do have one small problem. I get short audio dropouts at the start of extra features. It seems to be when the features are 30fps NTSC. I haven't had this with any other player. New Zealand being DVD Region 4 the player needs to be set to PAL. On my wish list would be the option to make the OPPO - Blu-ray screen my Home page as most of the streaming apps don't work in NZ. Also wish the Australian agent (International Dynamics) would get their website up to date. They still show Firmware version 1211 as being the latest.

My setup;

BDP-103 (HDMI1 to Display, HDMI2 to Amp)
Yamaha RX-V667
Panasonic Plasma 55GT30 (ISF Calibrated)
B&W 600 Series Speakers
post #4917 of 16364
^ The short audio startup delay you are experiencing is likely due to the HDMI handshake switching between /24 output and /60 output for those Extras. As part of the handshake the audio streams gets interrupted, and thus your HDMI sound processor needs to re-establish the validity of the incoming digital audio stream when it starts up again. If it bothers you, you could try setting 1080p/24 OFF to maintain /60 output.

Another thing to try is to set HDMI LPCM output instead of HDMI Bitstream or Auto. Many sound processors get their act together faster when fed LPCM so there is less audio start-up muting delay while they decide the re-started audio input is well-formed digital audio again.

Another thing to try is that many modern TVs will actually accept BOTH NTSC and PAL format input. If that's true about your TV then try setting TV System MULTI-SYSTEM in the OPPO.
--Bob
post #4918 of 16364
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

Thanks for your reply. It sure feels like the AVR is at fault. Not that the sound is crappy, it's great. It's just that I was hoping to take another step forward in audio quality and I didn't plus I'm now $540 poorer.

How are you connected for audio? HDMI or Analog cabling? If using HDMI audio, most players will send "correct" digital audio to the AVR for the standard format audio tracks. That means the audible difference between players will show up only if one or the other player has a bug. The task of converting the digital audio to analog to drive your speakers is actually happening in the AVR and will, of course, be the same regardless of which player you use.

The OPPO is likely capable of handling significantly more audio format types than your older player, but for the "standard" tracks, odds are both players get it right.

One thing to try is to compare HDMI LPCM and HDMI Bitstream output. For HDMI LPCM the OPPO is decoding the format coming off the disc, whereas for HDMI Bitstream that format is being passed to the AVR for decoding over there. The OPPO may do a better job with the decoding itself.

If you are using ANALOG cabling for audio output, then the question is what is your AVR doing to that audio on the way to sending it off to the speakers? If there is any processing going on in the AVR for that Analog audio input then the AVR is re-digitizing the input, processing that as digital audio, and then converting that BACK to Analog for output to your speakers. There are lots of ways the AVR can screw up these steps and conceal the true output quality of the player itself.
--Bob
post #4919 of 16364
(if the question has been adressed or answered please direct me to the page)

OK, I have the Sony XBR HX929,and the Denon 4310ci, one handles (HDMI 1.4) 3D one does not, Question: when the bdp-103 is off, does it pass-through the signal from the HDMI IN, and when the bdp-103 is activated to play, I assuming it takes control of the HDMI 1 output to the monitor, but when you are done ; and power it off, does it automatically switch back to the HDMI IN? Theoretical plan: Connect the HDMI Monitor out from the DENON 4310ci into the HDMI IN of the OPPO bdp-103 then connect the HDMI 1.4 to the SONY. If this works, it solves the problem of the HDMI 1.3 reciever to 3D tv, and makes this the most awesome player ever.
post #4920 of 16364
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Originally Posted by EMSone View Post

Question: when the bdp-103 is off, does it pass-through the signal from the HDMI IN

No.

-Bill
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