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post #4951 of 9122
1/27/13 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by Ricker62 View Post

Decisions,decisions….to purchase the Oppo-103 or 105,my Denon 4311CI is in the shop,my retailer stated if it can't be repaired I could upgrade to the Denon 4520CI.Thinking of selling my VT50 as soon as the PZT60's come out…got hundreds of Blu-Rays and ripped,movies flac files unto external hard drives.My satellite PVR would connect through either one ….I'M SO CONFUSED confused.gif

Sounds like you've got lots of decisions on your plate.

The main reason to get the 105 is because you want to get serious about using Analog audio output from the player. The 105 has a better Analog audio output solution. Video and digital audio (e.g., HDMI audio) is identical between the two players. Both player play the identical types of discs, attached disc media files, network accessed media files, and internet services.

Secondary reasons to get the 105 would be its Headphone jack, additional types of digital *INPUT* jacks (Asynchronous USB DAC, Optical and Coax S/PDIF), and the ability to wire stereo Analog audio output independent of multi-channel Analog audio output. Both the 103 and 105 have two HDMI Input jacks for attaching external sources you'd like to pass through the OPPO.

Both players have no fan. The 105 is larger -- so check you have enough space where you plan to put it.

Note that using multi-channel Analog from the player may mean you have to forego various types of value-added processing in your AVR which would otherwise be available if you used HDMI audio. For example, Audyssey room correction. Check the AVR specs for what it can do with multi-channel Analog input. If you find you are going to be using HDMI audio essentially all the time, then you might as well stick with the 103. If you think you might want to move towards an Analog audio setup down the road, then you might want to get the 105, now, anyway in prep for that.
--Bob
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post #4952 of 9122
1/27/13 at 1:46am
Hi

I have a oppo BDP 83 is it worth to upgrade it to a bdp 103?

Is the AQ of the 103 better than de 83 when using bitstream?

Greatings

Martijn
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post #4953 of 9122
1/27/13 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This is likely a type of HDMI handshake failure. Your AVR is probably getting confused about whether HDMI Audio LPCM or HDMI Audio Bitstream is in use. Given the bandwidth of the 3D signal, your HDMI cabling may be marginal. Keep in mind that HDMI is an end to end protocol, so the problem could be the HDMI cable on the output side of the AVR.

If you are using HDMI Audio AUTO, try setting LPCM or Bitstream explicitly instead.

If you are using both HDMI outputs from the OPPO (HDMI 1 to your 3D TV and HDMI 2 to the AVR), go into Video Setup > 3D Setting and select the new Blank HDMI 2 option to simplify the combined audio/video HDMI signal being sent out on HDMI 2.
--Bob

Sorry for not including this originally, but I am running split for my non 3D AVR. I'll try doing just what you advise, even if I have no idea what "new Blank HDMI 2 option" means!!!

FWIW I am using the included Oppo HDMI cable and new just-bought-them-for-the-Oppo Redmere Monoprice HDMI cables.

Will advise results later...
Thank you!
B
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post #4954 of 9122
1/27/13 at 4:28am
Question: Can the BDP-103 read data DVD-R's and BD-R's? Like if I was to burn a few of my own Blu-Ray rips onto a single BD-R, can it play those movies like it would off a USB flash drive?
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post #4955 of 9122
1/27/13 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by loopaddiction View Post

Question: Can the BDP-103 read data DVD-R's and BD-R's? Like if I was to burn a few of my own Blu-Ray rips onto a single BD-R, can it play those movies like it would off a USB flash drive?
Yes
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post #4956 of 9122
1/27/13 at 5:35am
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Originally Posted by Dordt1977 View Post

Hi

I have a oppo BDP 83 is it worth to upgrade it to a bdp 103?

Is the AQ of the 103 better than de 83 when using bitstream?

Greatings

Martijn

They will be the same. When bitstreaming the player is just a transport for the audio. There had better not be any differences.

-Bill
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post #4957 of 9122
1/27/13 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There are several problems with this. First, as I think you've already considered, if you change your Yamaha to a different input device there will be no way for the audio to get to your front speakers since only the OPPO is wired to your proposed, new, separate amp for the fronts.

You'd have to run your other source devices through the OPPO using it's HDMI inputs. For the TV, if its HDMI supports Audio Return Channel (ARC) you can send audio from its own off-the-air tuner BACK to the OPPO on the cable that would normally feed video from the OPPO to the TV (assuming you wire HDMI direct to the TV).

Second, your Yamaha AVR may "helpfully" apply some delay in the audio going through it to better match up to the video going through it. The problem is that won't happen for your fronts because they are bypassing the Yamaha. To avoid this you will need to wire HDMI 1 from the OPPO direct to your TV and then find the setting in the Yamaha which disables video processing. E.g., video "pass through" or video output disabled. This should keep the Yamaha from adding audio delay on the channels still going through it.

Third, you will need to do Volume control using he OPPO's remote as of course the volume knob on the Yamaha won't affect what's going to your new amp for the fronts. And THAT means you can't use HDMI audio to the Yamaha because there's no Volume control on the HDMI audio output!

So now you've got HDMI 1 to the TV, HDMI 2 unused, 3 channels of multi-channel Analog audio from the OPPO to your new amp, the rest of the multi-channel Analog from the OPPO to the Yamaha, the Yamaha set to do no video processing, other source devices connected through the OPPO, and Volume control handled by the OPPO.

All in all, it might be simpler to upgrade your AVR.
--Bob[/quote
The walk through is much appreciated Bob. Though more expensive, I agree with an AVR upgrade and added amp. I will say though, I see the Oppo becoming a "hub" in my system. My satellite radio, vcr and cd player see little to no use, and I can see me running my HD pvr through the HDMI input on the Oppo. Have you said in the past that there is upscaling of the signal coming from the pvr if I go through the Oppo?
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post #4958 of 9122
1/27/13 at 6:04am
^ It depends what the DVR is sending out as video. Obviously if you have the DVR set to output 1080p, then there is basically nothing for the video processing in the OPPO to do.

To get maximum video value from sending the DVR video through the OPPO you need to set the DVR to output the same resolution as is coming in on the channel you happen to be watching at the moment: 480i, 720p, or 1080i. That way it is the video processing in the OPPO that does all the heavy lifting.

Quite a few DVRs can be set to do this automatically -- often called "native" resolution output.

Be aware though, that when set this way, there must be a new HDMI handshake each time the DVR changes output resolution.
--Bob
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post #4959 of 9122
1/27/13 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by Manic_D View Post

Just tried Twonky & I think a couple of people asked about controlling your music from a tablet/phone, and this works to the 103. You do need to have Twonky server on your computer & Twonky mobile (the one I used is for iphone, there is not one optimized for an ipad) on your tablet/phone. Seems to work OK with queuing songs, and I even tried some 5.1 flac files and it worked. Might be old news, but I am new to Twonky & liked it enough to purchase a license after checking it out. Volume control seemed to control analogue volume only, though. smile.gif



been playing with this, but my 103 is not showing up in the list of available devices.. apple TV and AVR do, but not the oppo.. did you have to make any config changes to see the oppo?

 

thanks

 

[EDIT] nevermind, after some time, the oppo just 'showed up'.. and i can stream 5.1 flacs from my desktop (mac) or iPad/iphone... this is NIIICE.. since i don't have to fire up my projector to traverse my oppo content now.


Edited by astrogeeker - 1/27/13 at 9:11am
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post #4960 of 9122
1/27/13 at 9:46am
Will the VP in the Oppo show you the incoming and outgoing Frame Rate? 59.94 or 23.976
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post #4961 of 9122
1/27/13 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Will the VP in the Oppo show you the incoming and outgoing Frame Rate? 59.94 or 23.976

Incoming: yes.

Outgoing: I think so, but I'll check later if no one else replies. The On Screen Display shows the input characteristics of a disc; do PAGE UP or DOWN and it shows output info on both HDMI ports. This includes audio characteristics and color space.

Frame rate would be determined by the input and player settings anyway.

-Bill
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post #4962 of 9122
1/27/13 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Will the VP in the Oppo show you the incoming and outgoing Frame Rate? 59.94 or 23.976

Yes. Info button (upper right of the Arrow keys) on the Remote to bring up the on-screen display. When playing shiny discs, use Page Up/Down to toggle between input and output format info on the bottom line. When playing video media files or using the HDMI Inputs, both forms of info are displayed at the same time.
--Bob
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post #4963 of 9122
1/27/13 at 10:31am
Thanks again Bob, I can see the renewed handshake when the resolution changes as being annoying. I should receive the 103 by Wednesday this week, and I must admit I'm quite excited. I am a blu-ray concert/audio only collector (have 80 or so) and I'm going to order my first SACDs today to coincide with the 103's arrival.
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post #4964 of 9122
1/27/13 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by astrogeeker View Post

been playing with this, but my 103 is not showing up in the list of available devices.. apple TV and AVR do, but not the oppo.. did you have to make any config changes to see the oppo?

thanks

[EDIT] nevermind, after some time, the oppo just 'showed up'.. and i can stream 5.1 flacs from my desktop (mac) or iPad/iphone... this is NIIICE.. since i don't have to fire up my projector to traverse my oppo content now.

The way I see it they should have native app ready for that when they released 103(105). I know, I know- they are still "working" on it.
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post #4965 of 9122
1/27/13 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes. Info button (upper right of the Arrow keys) on the Remote to bring up the on-screen display. When playing shiny discs, use Page Up/Down to toggle between input and output format info on the bottom line. When playing video media files or using the HDMI Inputs, both forms of info are displayed at the same time.
--Bob

If you can confirm the VP in the oppo will display 23.976 and 59.94 and the outgoing too I would really appreciate it. I want to make sure its not taking 23.976 and 59.94 and altering it to 24 and 60 which causes frame repeats. Thanks for the continued feedback.
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post #4966 of 9122
1/27/13 at 12:33pm
does the oppo 103 switch between devices fairly qiuckly. I would use it for switching between a HTPC and a XBOX .then send the 7 channel analog out from the OPPO 103 to a emotiva amp.
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post #4967 of 9122
1/27/13 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by umdad06 View Post

I'm a bit confused by your Theoretical Plans, but I think I have a similar set up and have accomplished what you want in a much simpler way. I have a Pansonic 3D TV, a Pioneer non-3D AV Receiver, and the Oppo 103. Here's how I have it connected: HDMI 1 out from Oppo to Panasonic TV HDMI In; HDMI 2 out from Oppo to Pioneer HDMI in. This way no matter what I play on the Oppo, be it 3D Blu-ray, regular Blu-ray, DVD, movie files through the Oppo USB port, whatever, the video goes to the TV via HDMI 1 and the audio goes to the Pioneer via HDMI 2, thus getting all the-hi res video AND all the hi-res audio. I also have a Home Theater PC connected by HDMI 1.4a to the HDMI In on the Oppo, so anything from that PC gets video to the TV and audio to the Receiver. I have my DVR connected separately to the TV via HDMI and to the Receiver, for audio, via SPDIF. But if you don't have any other equipment such as the HTPC, you could connect your DVR/Cable Box through the Oppo HDMI In. All of this is controlled by a Harmony One remote and all works great.

Where I'm confused is where you use the dual monitor option on the Oppo. Do you have a second TV that was not listed? Or did you mean the split A/V option (pg. 12 of the Oppo manual).? This sends all video via HDMI 1 to the TV and all audio via HDMI 2 to the AV Receiver.

Hope this helps.
I understand Emsone's problem and I think I have a similar setup to you both.
The problem is that I also have an HDMI output from the AVR to the Tv, used for other sources
So it tries to handshake that connection even though its not in use, this interferes withe the Oppo to Tv and Oppo to AVR handshaking .
The solution is unplug the AVR from the TV, then Oppo BD and HD audio work perfect.
I shouldn't have to unplug and replug cables to watch a movie
Oppo customer service said this shouldn't happen, but it does
Then they told me to replace cables, which didn't help

I'm about to wire all my other sources and AVR with component and spdif
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post #4968 of 9122
1/27/13 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post


The way I see it they should have native app ready for that when they released 103(105). I know, I know- they are still "working" on it.


agreed.. but i'll give twonky $20 in the mean time.

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post #4969 of 9122
1/27/13 at 2:29pm
I am primarily interested in picture quality. Is it worth upgrading to the 103 from an BDP 83?
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post #4970 of 9122
1/27/13 at 5:13pm
Bob,

Have you heard back from oppo regarding the sharpness +1 issue?
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post #4971 of 9122
1/27/13 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I am primarily interested in picture quality. Is it worth upgrading to the 103 from an BDP 83?

No, not for that alone.

-Bill
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post #4972 of 9122
1/27/13 at 8:38pm
hello
Yesterday I bought a BDP-103. I am very happy with the first results, especially the player being quiet.
Included in the package was a CD with a marking "Oppo super disc". When I put it in the player, nothing happens.
When I put the CD in my PC, I see files of type cfg, sys and spe. Also a readme file which says "only using for test".
Does anyone know what this CD is about? (sorry in case this topic was discussed before, but 5000posts are a lot to read)
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post #4973 of 9122
1/27/13 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

hello
Yesterday I bought a BDP-103. I am very happy with the first results, especially the player being quiet.
Included in the package was a CD with a marking "Oppo super disc". When I put it in the player, nothing happens.
When I put the CD in my PC, I see files of type cfg, sys and spe. Also a readme file which says "only using for test".
Does anyone know what this CD is about? (sorry in case this topic was discussed before, but 5000posts are a lot to read)

No disc was shipped with my 103 so I can only assume a factory test disc slipped out somehow.
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post #4974 of 9122
1/27/13 at 10:42pm
I found this:
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#region-free-modifications
So the disc I found in my player seems to make a software modification for Region Free DVD's.
I live in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is DVD region 3, and US is 1. So I guess that the disc is used to make DVD's work in Hong Kong.
I tried playing a DVD region 2 movie, and it works.
For bluray, Hong Kong is region A, same as US.
Edited by turboman123 - 1/28/13 at 12:46am
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post #4975 of 9122
1/28/13 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I am primarily interested in picture quality. Is it worth upgrading to the 103 from an BDP 83?
If you would like an improvement in picture quality from other sources (e.g. your cable/satellite DVR providing 720p/1080i HDTV) the 103 provides external HDMI input. This is then routed through the same audio/video circuitry used to handle BluRay movies played on the 103.

All in all, upconverting source at any resolution to 1080p for feeding to your HDTV (either directly from the 103, or through your AVR) appears to me to be far better done by the Oppo than by any other component which can do the same thing, including the HDTV itself (for displaying any source at its native 1080p resolution). There is a noticeable improvement over delivering "native" 720p or 1080i to the HDTV and letting upconvert to native display resolution occur there. Just something done by the 103 is really special.

I have two HDTV's fed through the Oppo and my dual-HDMI-out AVR, and the 1080p picture from upconverted 720p/1080i HDTV is definitely the "best" (cleanest, sharpest, brightest, best color and contrast, etc.) on both HDTV's when it is the 103 that has that responsibility, instead of say the DVR.

This external HDMI input feature of the 103 was enough to motivate me to upgrade from my BDP-93 (now repurposed to a second location) at this primary HDTV location.
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post #4976 of 9122
1/28/13 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

I found this:
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-103-faq.html#region-free-modifications
So the disc I found in my player seems to make a software modification for Region Free DVD's.
I live in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is DVD region 3, and US is 1. So I guess that the disc is used to make DVD's work in Hong Kong.
I tried playing a DVD region 2 movie, and it works.
For bluray, Hong Kong is region A, same as US.

Yes, that's exactly what that disc does. When you put it in to play it, it should have paused a moment and then opened the tray. Keep the disc as it is possible you may need to use it again after some future firmware update for the player.

Evidently whoever you bought from was kind enough to include it so that you didn't have to download the disc image file and burn your own disc.

Note that this disc ONLY removes region restrictions for SD-DVDs. Blu-ray restrictions are still in place.
--Bob
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post #4977 of 9122
1/28/13 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

No disc was shipped with my 103 so I can only assume a factory test disc slipped out somehow.

See the FAQ (link available at the top of the first post of this thread) for the Super Disc re SD-DVD region unlocking. The disc was likely provided by the reseller he bought from. You can make your own if you want.
--Bob
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post #4978 of 9122
1/28/13 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by Recstar24 View Post

Bob,

Have you heard back from oppo regarding the sharpness +1 issue?

No news that I can post at this point. (Beta Testers can't discuss what we might learn about work in progress.)
--Bob
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post #4979 of 9122
1/28/13 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by larryep View Post

does the oppo 103 switch between devices fairly qiuckly. I would use it for switching between a HTPC and a XBOX .then send the 7 channel analog out from the OPPO 103 to a emotiva amp.

Switching Inputs takes a typical amount of time for the required HDMI re-handshake -- a few seconds.
--Bob
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post #4980 of 9122
1/28/13 at 2:02am
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes. Info button (upper right of the Arrow keys) on the Remote to bring up the on-screen display. When playing shiny discs, use Page Up/Down to toggle between input and output format info on the bottom line. When playing video media files or using the HDMI Inputs, both forms of info are displayed at the same time.
--Bob

If you can confirm the VP in the oppo will display 23.976 and 59.94 and the outgoing too I would really appreciate it. I want to make sure its not taking 23.976 and 59.94 and altering it to 24 and 60 which causes frame repeats. Thanks for the continued feedback.

No, the on screen info display abbreviates the displayed output rate info to /24 and /60. HOWEVER, my Anthem D2v says the player is putting out the "correct" rate, according to the content. (NOTE: Blu-ray content for movies could be on disc as either 24.000 or 23.976).
--Bob
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