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post #511 of 9196
10/11/12 at 4:25am
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Also remember that if you are using gracenote, that you will be adding delays to the player as it queries gracenote for the Album Art and metadata information for the file. So if you are trying to browse files real quickly, you might notice delays if you stop on a file long enough to query gracenote.

I'll be honest I don't know what gracenote is - is that a way of gathering info on a file?

It is a network database where the player looks up cover art, title summaries, etc. That's where the OPTION->DISC INFO material comes from. And some info displayed in the media file browser.

If you are experiencing slow response, try turning it off in SETUP -> NETWORK.

-Bill
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post #512 of 9196
10/11/12 at 4:59am
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Might have been mentioned already, but another plus for using the A/V Split feature, even if you don't have a 3D TV...
Using HDMI 1 to the TV, audio will pass when your processor isn't turned on. Once the processor is on and handshake is confirmed for the audio on HDMI 2, it will mute the TV audio.
This will come in handy when it's late and I don't want to wake the neighbors. I can leave the processor off and just watch a movie through the TV.

excellent idea. wife is not keen on having to operate 4 devices (display, AVR, 103, uverse box) just to watch the kardashians et al.
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post #513 of 9196
10/11/12 at 5:11am
Thanks x43x for that info!
Dave
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post #514 of 9196
10/11/12 at 5:24am
I have the auto resume feature on my 103 set to on. I just started playing a hybrid SACD and wanted to start it from the beginning after the first track played for about 30 seconds. I hit stop twice then hit play and playback resumed at the point where the track stopped not from the beggining. I did all this with my plasma off and noticed that the display of the 103 went to the home menu after hitting stop the one time. I turned on my plasma to see what the OSD was indicating when I hit stop then play. When I hit play the OSD indicates "Resume from saved position. Press STOP to cancel". So does the resume feature of the 103 work different than the 83 as far as being able to hit stop twice to negate the resume feature? I assuming this is due to the 103 going to the Home menu after hitting stop twice. Is there a way to cancel the resume feature as one could with the 83? It is a minor issue but I would prefer to not have to hit play then stop again to negate the resume feature.

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post #515 of 9196
10/11/12 at 5:55am
^ Correct. The Press-Stop-Twice feature to delete the Resume Point was removed for the 103 firmware. I believe the reason was that it was confusing people that it couldn't function for Blu-ray discs authored using BD-Java since they seize control of the Resume logic and handle it (or fail to handle it) on their own.
--Bob
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post #516 of 9196
10/11/12 at 6:02am
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Sorry for OT but do you have experience is PS3 Slim blu-ray playback as good as it used to be in Fat models? I learned that Slim models are adding noise to their HDMi-output from this article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-hdmi?page=3 (it is at the end of the page).
Any idea what visible problems that noise could cause? Also it is interesting that I don't recall seeing such comments in other PS3 Slim reviews but most of them seem to be dated sometime around 2009.
I asked the same question in PS3 thread but it seems there are very little activity or comments from professionals like you lately. Also it seems there are no new reviews of PS3. It would be interesting to hear how added features like 3D, DTS HD MA during 3D, 1080i deinterlacing etc. new functions have affected PS3 output or is it still 100% accurate as it used to be.

Not to single you out B. L., but this happens in every OPPO thread since knowledgeable folks tend to be active in them and the temptation to tap that knowledge is, understandably, quite strong.

But please, for general PS3 questions like this, use PM or try again in the appropriate PS3 thread. This thread will be quite busy enough handling its 103 discussions.

(Of course direct comparison, test results between the 103 and other players remain on topic.)
--Bob
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post #517 of 9196
10/11/12 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Correct. The Press-Stop-Twice feature to delete the Resume Point was removed for the 103 firmware. I believe the reason was that it was confusing people that it couldn't function for Blu-ray discs authored using BD-Java since they seize control of the Resume logic and handle it (or fail to handle it) on their own.
--Bob

Bob,

Thanks for your thoughts smile.gif. It is too bad that this was changed as I think it is faster to just hit stop twice then hit play than the way it is now. If Oppo's reason for the change was due to BD-Java discs that is unfortunate as people should be well aware by now that BD-Java BRs due not have a resume feature. I'll send Oppo an email on this to see if they can change it back to the way it was. Maybe it is not possible but worth a shot wink.gif.

Bill
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post #518 of 9196
10/11/12 at 6:23am
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It's pretty much the consensus opinion here at AVS that the Pioneer Kuro displays are happiest when fed RGB Video Level data format.
--Bob

By any chance is there a consensus opinion on what the Panasonic VT50 displays are happiest with?

If there is, I'm not aware of it. One of the Beta Testers has a recent model, Panasonic, 3D-capable panel and says it reacts poorly to 1080p/24 input, so you might want to check into that.

Unfortunately, it is still very much the case that major display brands are still being shipped with factory installed bugs in what you would think would be primary areas of QA testing for them. I'm thinking of things like the Samsung displays that changed black levels for no good reason when fed 1080p/24 for example. There is no guarantee that new models will have fewer bugs than older models or that bugs present at launch of a model will EVER get fixed. There's nothing for it but to hang out in the appropriate display thread and ask a lot of questions. It seems it is too much to hope for that you'll find a display that does all of it correctly. The trick is whether you can find a display that does ENOUGH of it correctly that you can get good results if you stick within the display's comfort zone.

And frankly, this is the best argument there is for having flexible options as to what the OPPO player can produce as video output. I.e., having the CHOICE to configure output so that it stays within the display's comfort zone. For example, there is ALSO no good reason why Pioneer Kuro displays should fail to render YCbCr input as well as they render RGB input. But there it is. Fortunately, the OPPO players put out just as accurate RGB as they do YCbCr.

(Unless I missed a recent change, that's ANOTHER problem with the PS3. From day 1, the PS3 has been incapable of producing proper RGB Video Level output -- i.e., including the Blacker than Black and Peak White data ranges. Those data ranges are only available when using YCbCr output and also turning on their optional "SuperWhite" setting.)
--Bob
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post #519 of 9196
10/11/12 at 6:25am
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^ Correct. The Press-Stop-Twice feature to delete the Resume Point was removed for the 103 firmware. I believe the reason was that it was confusing people that it couldn't function for Blu-ray discs authored using BD-Java since they seize control of the Resume logic and handle it (or fail to handle it) on their own.
--Bob

Bob,

Thanks for your thoughts smile.gif. It is too bad that this was changed as I think it is faster to just hit stop twice then hit play than the way it is now. If Oppo's reason for the change was due to BD-Java discs that is unfortunate as people should be well aware by now that BD-Java BRs due not have a resume feature. I'll send Oppo an email on this to see if they can change it back to the way it was. Maybe it is not possible but worth a shot wink.gif.

Bill

Sure! This is just the type of feedback they are looking for. This has been debated in Beta Test Club as well. There's a fine line to be walked in making the player intuitive enough for casual users (who mostly play Blu-rays and CDs) and still flexible enough for power users exercising all of the capabilities of the player.
--Bob
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post #520 of 9196
10/11/12 at 6:33am
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Anyone pick up the Prometheus 4-disc set yet? I tried playing the BR extras disc and had some initial problems. First it said it was playing, but only showed black on my monitor. Buggered up HDMI handshake. Once I got the picture back, I couldn't select anything to play from the main menu. Powered everything off and back on and that did the trick. Others seem to be having similar problems with other players, and some are getting macro blocking during the feature movie.
Thanks FOX....
People who have the Sony 550 have been reporting the same problems (a lot of macro blocking toward the end of the film). And at least one owner of the 103 had his unit lock up and had to reboot it, then things played fine. (check the Prometheus thread in the blu-ray forum here for any new news). Most have returned the discs and the replacements have played fine, so maybe there was a bad batch.
Edited by subavision212 - 10/11/12 at 6:40am
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post #521 of 9196
10/11/12 at 8:29am
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So, since some of you now have your new player, I would assume that most of you would want to sell your 93?
Guess I'll have to check the classifieds?

For me it is a cycle. New Oppo goes in Living Room. Old one goes to living room. My Sony 5000es goes to goodwill.
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post #522 of 9196
10/11/12 at 9:55am
One of the main reasons I purchased an Oppo BDP-93 was for the excellent analog audio output (if I had the funds would have gone with the BDP-95). Not everyone wants, needs, or has the space for surround sound and I had for some time been running with just a stereo configuration using an old audiophile grade stereo analog only pre-amp. All was well until I bought a new display and discovered no analog audio outputs. It seems the norm today is to supply only an optical audio output which leaves those who watch television via OTA with a stereo system stuck with the less than acceptable audio from the display itself. To users like myself an optical audio input would be much more useful than MHL as the broadcast needs Dolby decoding (which the Oppo already has). Glad that there is an HDMI input but I'm disappointed in the choice made for MHL over Toslink as then I would have had reason to get the new Oppo.
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post #523 of 9196
10/11/12 at 10:06am
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One of the main reasons I purchased an Oppo BDP-93 was for the excellent analog audio output (if I had the funds would have gone with the BDP-95). Not everyone wants, needs, or has the space for surround sound and I had for some time been running with just a stereo configuration using an old audiophile grade stereo analog only pre-amp. All was well until I bought a new display and discovered no analog audio outputs. It seems the norm today is to supply only an optical audio output which leaves those who watch television via OTA with a stereo system stuck with the less than acceptable audio from the display itself. To users like myself an optical audio input would be much more useful than MHL as the broadcast needs Dolby decoding (which the Oppo already has). Glad that there is an HDMI input but I'm disappointed in the choice made for MHL over Toslink as then I would have had reason to get the new Oppo.

If your new Display features HDMI Audio Return Channel (ARC) you are covered that way as well on the 103. You can send audio BACK into the OPPO along the HDMI cable normally used to carry video TO the display from the OPPO. Basically you can do what an Optical Digital Audio Input would have given you. So set your TV to watch a channel (using HDMI Audio Return Channel for its digital audio output) and set the OPPO 103 to listen for audio on the HDMI 1 (or HDMI 2) ARC Input, and audio will come out of the OPPO.

Alternatively, you might consider the upcoming OPPO BDP-105 which adds both Optical and Coax S/PDIF Digital Audio Inputs.
--Bob
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post #524 of 9196
10/11/12 at 10:51am
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If your new Display features HDMI Audio Return Channel (ARC) you are covered that way as well on the 103. You can send audio BACK into the OPPO along the HDMI cable normally used to carry video TO the display from the OPPO. Basically you can do what an Optical Digital Audio Input would have given you. So set your TV to watch a channel (using HDMI Audio Return Channel for its digital audio output) and set the OPPO 103 to listen for audio on the HDMI 1 (or HDMI 2) ARC Input, and audio will come out of the OPPO.
Alternatively, you might consider the upcoming OPPO BDP-105 which adds both Optical and Coax S/PDIF Digital Audio Inputs.
--Bob[/quote

Thanks for the info. I don't know if my display does ARC (it's a Panasonic P60GT50) so I'll have to check on it. Good to know that the upcoming 105 will have an optical input (assuming it will get sent to Dolby decoding circuitry), although too bad it wasn't considered for the 103 as its price point is more attainable. Wonder if there's an after market add-on module for the BDP-93 that could accomplish this.

Chris
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post #525 of 9196
10/11/12 at 10:59am
^ According to this page, that TV model supports HDMI Audio Return Channel on Input 2:

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P60GT50?t=specs&support#tabs

--Bob
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post #526 of 9196
10/11/12 at 11:16am
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Digital video is 1s and 0s. A green pixel is represented by 1s and 0s, a salmon colored pixel is represented by different groups of 1s and 0s.
The whole point of accuracy in home theater is for the disc player to send the same 1s and 0s that were on the disc to the video display. That can't happen AT ALL with Blu-ray because discs are encoded with YCbCr 4:2:0 and 4:2:2 is what leaves the disc player (unless you select 4:4:4 or RGB but let's not muddy the discussion with that right now). If you convert the 4:2:0 on the disc properly, you get the desired 4:2:2 output and the fidelity of the disc player is "perfect" Historically, the Oppo disc players, PS3 and an occasional random model of disc player from some manufacturer have done this VERY accurately.
If the player "processes" the image in any way, it can change the 1s and 0s and you actually LOSE fidelity to the original images. Processing in a disc player is often touted, but it's not good if it messes with the images. If the processing is better because it converts SD to HD better or because it converts interlaced video to progressive video better... those are good things. But beyond that, you really don't want your disc player trying to "improve" images with "processing" of any kind. And as stated, the Oppo players, PS3 and the occasional random model from an Asian brand have been recognized for being exactly or very nearly "bit perfect" in their replication of the Blu-ray disc. As such, you won't see differences in imaqe quality of Blu-ray discs when you compare any of these "accurate" players, nor should you. If they are all sending nearly the same 1s and 0s, the images on the video display should be the same. Digital video isn't subject to the vagarities of digital music... in digital music, every little thing you change makes a sonic difference (mosly small, but still audible, though occasionally there can be larger differences, and compressed music sounds much worse than uncompressed/lossless digital music). But move to video and you no longer have the analog element of time like music has... music is continuous and timing of bits is very critical. Digital video loads entire frames into buffers where the bits sit still for some time interval (a relatively long rest in terms of all things digital). Once it is that frame's "turn" to be displayed, all 6 million+ pixels flash up on the display at the same time and sit there not doing anything for some other (relatively) long period of time (typically 1/24, 1/30, 1/48, 1/60, 1/72, 1/96, 1/120, 1/144, or 1/240 of a second depending on the display and source.
If the disc player changes the image (by processing), it is, by definition, adding inaccuracy. Video Products (as a group) are finally getting away from the idea that they MUST process the image in some way to distinguish themselves from other products. If the disc player has controls that change the image... that might be useful if the controls available somewhere else in the system cannot do the same job. But that's pretty rare. If there's a color control in the TV, having a Color control in the disc player is a bit superflous unless you want a different amount of Color boost or cut for Blu-ray but now you're talking about a personal preference thing that might be miles from accuracy. Pretty and accurate aren't the same thing to most people. For the same reason, there are no HDMI cables that change images in any way as long as the cable is well designed and is not losing signal strength as the signal passes through the cable. A well-designed HDMI cable can cost $0 ("free" in the box with some component) all the way up to $800+ for a 2m cable and much higher for long high-end cables for projectors. HDMI cables do have small differences in audio quality... but when it comes to images, if you think 1 cable makes "better" or "worse" images than another cable, you either have a defective cable or you are imagening the differences. I have seen people with 2 cables claim to see differences until I got them to begin to focus on perhaps 10% of the image area and change back and forth between their 2 cables... once you zoom in" you begin to realize that you aren't really seeing any differences.


ok.thanks for your reply.based on your advise i keep the PS3 and use the money to buy a better A/V receiver.if i want a better image the i will change the LCD insted of the PS3!! right?
Edited by PRBR - 10/11/12 at 11:22am
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post #527 of 9196
10/11/12 at 11:21am
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^ According to this page, that TV model supports HDMI Audio Return Channel on Input 2:
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P60GT50?t=specs&support#tabs
--Bob

Great. Does the BDP-93 do ARC (fingers crossed)?

Thanks,

Chris
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post #528 of 9196
10/11/12 at 11:24am
^ It does not. The 93 and 95 have no "inputs". You'll need a 103 (or 105) for HDMI Audio Return Channel input support.
--Bob
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post #529 of 9196
10/11/12 at 11:47am
I've had my 103 for over a week now...everything is great. Most of my time with this unit has been spent on 1 thing since it has been perfect with everything else. I am moving my 83 to the basement with a Squeezebox touch to be my main music listening area and my 103 will be in my living room as my main cinema area. I will still listen to music in this area and I wanted to control the 103 with an ipod like I do with the SBT and 83....I was also hopping to have gapless playback as well. All of the software implementations have been failures due to the fact that even if the software recognized the 103 (some didn't), I still could not send music files to the 103 properly. (1 would begin then just stop, another would only play one song of the album, and the rest would just error or not send anything). The one and only software solution I found that does 95% of what I want is the JRiver Media Player. I have to have the 103 powered on for the software to recognize it (unlike my Onkyo receiver and Panasonic TV...even with power off they are recognized). I can send my music to the 103 from the PC software and I have downloaded an app on my Ipod that will control the software from my couch (this works just as well as my Ipeng app for my SBT. The 1 thing that is still missing is gapless playback. I have contacted Oppo and they have confirmed that the internal chip does not allow for gapless play back. They know that people would like this, but they have not been able to get the chip maker to support it frown.gif

In my discussions with Oppo, they have told me they have a 103 up and running on their network and Windows Media Player can control their system...It will not work on my self built computer no matter what kind of changes I have tried.

I have not paid the 49.95 for the JRiver software yet as I am using it in trial mode. If someone else finds other ways that are free that can accomplish what I want, please post it here.
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post #530 of 9196
10/11/12 at 12:02pm
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From the OPPO UK web site write-up on the European model BDP-103EU:
There is a cookie reserved for the first BDP-103EU owner in the UK/Ireland area who can confirm that the native Netflix app is present and working.
--Bob

My 103EU is due tomorrow does that make the the first EU owner here?
Unfortunately I'm mid decorating so no switch in for at least 2 weeks mad.gif
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post #531 of 9196
10/11/12 at 12:17pm
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ok.thanks for your reply.based on your advise i keep the PS3 and use the money to buy a better A/V receiver.if i want a better image the i will change the LCD insted of the PS3!! right?

It all depends on what you mean by "better image" and also whether the features the 103 (or 105) has that the PS3 doesn't have. Upgrading for better image quality if you already have an older Oppo model or some other accurate disc player... it's unlikely you'll see ANY difference. But there may be features you want or need in the newer Oppo you can get elsewhere. The AV receiver won't give you better images either (unless you change from one that has video processing that is damaging images versus one with video processing that can be bypassed). Of course all of this assumes that by "better images" you mean more accurate images -- that's my measure of what a better image is... the one that's the most accurate and most like what the director and cinematographer want me to see when I play their movie at home.

There are many paths to accuracy... better video displays is one. Calibrating is probably the biggest single factor (using a meter and calibration software). But there are other ways to get increasingly accurate... like adding a highly capable video processor like a Lumagen Radiance series processor and calibrating using the capabilities of the Radiance processor rather than being limited to the controls in the video display which are not likely to be particularly good.

One thing you can be sure of... the PS3 is not very good at upconverting DVD. If you still watch a lot of DVDs, the '93 was much better at that than the PS3 and and initial looks at the '103 indicate it is even better than the '93 at upconverting DVD. That alone may be enough to convince some enthusiasts to get a 103 even if they aren't going to replace the PS3 completely (obviously, the 103 won't do gaming other than games that come on DVDs or Blu-ray discs with movie special features).

You're looking for an obvious/easy answer/direction, but as with most things home theater, there isn't one right answer.
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post #532 of 9196
10/11/12 at 12:56pm
is it wrong that I have had this player for over a week and have used it for 20+ hours but not once played a shiny round disc?
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post #533 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:39pm
(This response probably should be in the anticipation thread, but what the heck....)

Including a BD player in an HTIB usually is seen as a poor compromise, since a failure in one function means you need to replace them both. How is that so much different from including network media players, DAC, HDMI switching and other such functionality in a BD player? There aren't all that many preamp/processor functions missing from this current generation of Oppo BD players. What's to prevent the next generation of player from adding them?
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post #534 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:41pm
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is it wrong that I have had this player for over a week and have used it for 20+ hours but not once played a shiny round disc?

I played BD 2d and 3d, SACD, Flac, Netflix...... I discovered that DTSMA is not working via bitstream to my AVR. This was reported to Oppo to get it fix. I have one DVD A that I will play this weekend. smile.gif
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post #535 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:43pm
Selden,
Maybe we should start a What Features DON'T You Want in Your Next OPPO Player thread? biggrin.gif

Let's see, they'd have to include tinny-sounding speakers, too. And cheap cables. Home Theater In a Bag!
--Bob
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post #536 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:46pm
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is it wrong that I have had this player for over a week and have used it for 20+ hours but not once played a shiny round disc?

I presume you are simply waiting to make a special occasion of it. Hmmm, the upcoming "Lawrence of Arabia", Blu-ray?
--Bob
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post #537 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

From the OPPO UK web site write-up on the European model BDP-103EU:
There is a cookie reserved for the first BDP-103EU owner in the UK/Ireland area who can confirm that the native Netflix app is present and working.
--Bob

My 103EU is due tomorrow does that make the the first EU owner here?
Unfortunately I'm mid decorating so no switch in for at least 2 weeks mad.gif

Nope, sorry. Doesn't count until you power it up and play something. biggrin.gif
--Bob
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post #538 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:57pm
An obvious thing to omit is the disc transport wink.gif I suspect this gets into the same line of reasoning as why a receiver is cheaper than separate pre/pro + amps of comparable quality. Mass production of a merged design is less expensive than smaller production runs of separate components. Also, incrementally sneaking in the functionality by the back door, as it were, avoids some of the problems encountered by other relatively small companies which have tried to produce their own pre/pro designs from scratch.
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post #539 of 9196
10/11/12 at 1:58pm
I compared the 103 2.0 to 95 2.0 and to simply put, the 95 is still my pick.
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post #540 of 9196
10/11/12 at 2:17pm
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I discovered that DTSMA is not working via bitstream to my AVR. This was reported to Oppo to get it fix. I have one DVD A that I will play this weekend. smile.gif

What AVR do you have? Today I was playing Patricia Barber's Modern Cool BR in 5.1 DTS-MA via HDMI bitstream and it sounds excellent. No issues with a number of other DTS-MA titles I've played with the 103 connected to my 4311.

Bill
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