Official OPPO BDP-103 Owner's Thread - Page 179

Have you had a chance to view 3D Vudu on the BDP-103 as yet? I was curious how it compared to BD 3D. Does it use SBS or Top and Bottom, or better yet, the same 3D format as BD?

My HDMI handshake problems were solved by installing an HDMI splitter (and using only one of the two outputs from it) between my Motorola 3400 series cable box and my HT pre-amp/processor. It was a powered splitter from Monoprice (product ID 8204).

My setup has the cable box signal going straight into the processor via HDMI (after passing through the HDMI splitter), and not running through the Oppo. The Oppo also goes straight into the processor via HDMI.

There are detailed postings on this many pages back in this thread.

htwaits, I understand your points about PQ being better with BluRay discs than streaming from Netflix, but streaming is very convenient, especially for TV shows that take up many discs per season. I like the option of both ways to watch what I want when I want to.

I never had a handshake issue going from the DVR ro the receiver (a Denon 3311). That only started when I hooked the DVR to the OPPO HDMI in back input.

Whatever floats your boat, personally I posted all of my settings in my original post, not sure of others. Also not sure if serious, but its beginning to smell like a certain type of cave.

I only have the oppo 93. I decided not to get the oppo 103. however I can do vudu 3d from my ps3. it works fine. I think the only time that I had to switch over was when playing a 3d game. the problem with the vudu is that its only in 720P for 3d not 1080P. I prefer direct tv 3d which is 1080P.

Jacob

Streaming Netflix is worth it to me and millions of other people. I use it for TV shows and the quality is more than acceptable. For movie streaming I use Vudu. Regardless of your views on Netflix, this a a $500.00 machine, and there is obviously a problem with Netflix on this machine. That IMO is unacceptable. All the accolades for Oppo Players and their customer service means nothing to me if they can't/won't fix what is probably a simple problem. I say simple problem because I have two Panasonic TVS, computer, Ipad, Panny blu ray player all stream Netflix flawlessly so I know it can be done.

It's great if you're happy with the picture. But for some of us, we spend $500 on an Oppo instead of $150 on a Panasonic expecting to get
the best picture possible (not just 'fine'), and to not have extraneous processing done to that image unless we specifically want it. Obsessive,
sure, but that's why some people buy higher end equipment.

I've always prized Oppo for giving the most 'accurate' possible picture. (i.e. reproducing the picture on the disc as it was created, without
adding or subtracting). On the 103, right now, it seems like that's a difficult standard to obtain. The QEDO chip in HDMI 1 seems to be
doing some noticeable processing even when all levels are set to "0". And the 'best' (i.e. most accurate) picture seems like it has to
be obtained by setting the sharpness to "+1" . Some of us don't like that because it means you are actively engaging the chip to 'fix'
something that shouldn't be broken.

And leaving the QEDO out, at least according to some members here who put some time and effort into testing, but using HDMI 2, seems like
it might be causing other problems, and giving a less than optimal image.

I agree with you that the picture is 'fine' any number of ways. But, just personally, I buy Oppo to do better than fine, and appreciate that
they listen to customers, and make every effort to achieve a higher standard. And by discussing these things on this forum, which
Oppo monitors, as well as communicating with the company directly, there is a long history of their making changes, and fixing faults.

yes it seems to be a problem for some. the good news is that oppo is working to fix it if it can. most likey they can. I remember getting the oppo 93 very early. there was some early issues. they worked the major stuff out. probably took 6 months or so to get it right. it was still a better player then what is out there. I know that some people are concern about the price. I was rather unhappy with the 150 crowd of players. they seem to have more problems and they never got fixed. you have to take the risk. 150 vs 500. I am happy with the 93.

Jacob

When you switch between HDMI 1 And HDMI 2 are you using Source Direct for both? I see a very noticeable difference with HDMI 1 being less sharp, having less fine detail and a very noticeable difference in perceived depth. Since I found chroma up sampling problems with HDMI 2, I switched back to HDMI 1 and had to increase the sharpness and texture enhancers in my Lumagen Radiance by roughly 2-3x in order to have what I view as very similar sharpness etc. Note also, that the results of the up sampling problems on HDMI 2 were noticeable to the human eye. Professional calibrators and DYIers like myself try for color and grayscale errors of 2 DE or less because those are not visible to the human eye. Being able to see the problem means my calibration is no longer accurate when applied to HDMI 2 output.

I guess thats a sort of around the block, nice way of saying you are a more discriminating viewer than I?

Trust me, I know a FINE picture when I see it. Maybe I should have used SUPERB or FANTASTIC instead. LOL

^ I didn't play around with HDMI 2, but on HDMI 1, I found the picture a little on the soft side with sharpness at 0 and artificially sharp with sharpness at 1. Several others have said similar things here. To some the choice between the two is the lesser of two evils, so to speak.

The difference is so obvious you can even notice it on the splash screen with the sparkles in the Oppo logo changing significantly when you change the sharpness.

Thank you for posting this. It's exactly what I described earlier in the thread, but you're the first to claim to see it, too. Check out my previous posts for the response I received from Oppo on the issue (nothing is wrong and it's staying the way it is). HDMI 1 set to 1080p has obvious noise reduction and motion artifacts on Netflix and Vudu. Try HDMI 1 set to Source Direct, which bypasses the QDEO processing and is about as good as my PS3. I was surprised at the difference.

Whatever Oppo is doing by default with QDEO on streaming content needs to be disabled or given a setting so users can disable it. HD streams that are actually very good are being completely ruined by excessive DNR.


I'm sorry, but this "it's all on Netflix and Oppo can't help it" nonsense needs to stop. There's a clear difference between Netflix via 1080p and Source Direct on HDMI 1, so it's not the app. Yes, not all devices get the latest UI, but this isn't a UI problem. It's a problem with the 103's handling of the stream.

I like what I get from Netflix for $8 a month. I can fly through multiple seasons of TV shows in HD with the same quality as the original broadcast in most cases. If Oppo is going to provide Netflix, they're obligated to do it right, regardless of its value to you personally.

IMO I think the Netflix issues and the display issues I have been promoting the last few pages are related somehow. I think the, potential fix, will fix both issues as they seem very similar in nature. I also agree it does no good to ignore or try and steer others away like the Wizard of Oz, theres nothing to see here.

No offense meant. "Discriminating" is one way of putting it. But you could substitute "obsessive", "over-picky"
"perfectionist" or "have too much time on my hands" if you wanted to look at it the other way. Believe me, there
are times I wish I spent less time staring at test patterns, or toggling between images...
Edited by Sidetracked - 2/8/13 at 4:18pm

I posted about this earlier as well - just about the off screen menu. Mine is not freezing up (HDMI to SONY TV, Analog 5.1 to Halo C-2 Pre-amp)

I agree, which is a big part of my frustration. +1 feels a touch artificial, 0 feels a bit soft. It's surprising there's such a jump between the two.

When Bob Pariseau, who really seems to know these machines in and out was posting about this back a ways, the implication (as I understood it) was that
his testing led him to feel that there is that there's something a bit more complex than simply "0" or "+1" is more right" going on.

I have just one question for those having problems with netflix? do you own an lcd HDTV? if so.. I remember having some netflix problems with the oppo 93 and an lcd. it went away when I got a plasma. there was alot of stuttering a guess is the right word for it. I just wanted to point that out.

Jacob

Same thing I saw. Its like the Darbee, as I said earlier. Some would like the "enhancement", some would not. Im not convinced there is an issue with HDMI 1 and Sharpness 0.

I did discover today that my HP has gigabit ethernet but it is disabled because my computer that I built in 2005 only has fast ethernet. So no matter what I try to send to or receive with the older machine it will be at 100 mbps. Due to the age of the motherboard (ASUS M2N32SLI Deluxe) it might not be to feasable to put a gigabit ethernet card into it. I may try but I have to see what expansion slots are available on the motherboard.

I was told today that gigabit ethernet needs more headroom to work than what fast ethernet would need so you will never see transfer speeds near 1000mbps. He told me that transfering a 1 GB file should take about 35 to 40 seconds with gigabit ethernet and two minutes with fast ethernet. The transfer rate he seen was about 500 mbps on his local gigabit network. He also said there is only two hard drives that can improve upon this and they are the WD Raptor and solid state drives. He told me that your local network is only as good as the slowest device hooked to it and in my case it is the old computer that I built. He also said if I put a gigabit card in the old machine that it may only get to 300mbps as CPU and memory is older and slower. Also my SMC non wireless router is fast ethernet and I have been using it for 6 years now. I did not realize that much time has passed since I put structured media in my home. My two four port switches are also 6 years old. He told me in my case if I where going to be transfering a lot of large video files from one computer to another then I should upgrade in the near future but if not then just wait until I have to replace the gear. Maybe I should of spent the extra thirty dollars to get the gigabit 8 port switch.

I am not against gigabit networking but just make sure the devices that are on your network are all capable of it or possibley your whole network may be slowed down. I think I am going to ask OPPO what the ethernet port in the 103 is capable of just for the sake of knowing.

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I finally had some time to watch a few discs and I agree.
0 looks a tad too soft and +1 is a tad too much.
Also- and this is just odd- but set to 0 the picture looks really dim and dull. +1 seems to brighten it up and give it more pop- but it's a slight artificial.
All this is splitting hairs.
I suppose I can live with either one, but I wonder if I should have kept my old pioneer BDP-51.
The 51 was a slow load and had some trouble with newer discs- but the image in source direct out to my Pioneer Kuro was sweet.

That said, The sound on the 103 is better than the Pioneer- but IMO- the image is a bit of a let down for the price.
And living in an apartment I can't take too much advantage of loud sound.



I'll give it another week.
Might return it and look at the newer Pioneers. That might be a Better match for the Kuro.

Of course. I just don't want to settle for what happened to music -- ear buds and heavy compression.

I think he's talking about the blue "starfield" below the Blu-ray logo. The brighter pixels do pop out quite a bit more with Sharpness at +1. On the S&M disc, the final scene of the Space Needle at night offers a similar view of the effects of nudging up the sharpness setting. The lit windows and other tiny lights jump out at you at +1, but to my eyes, 0 appears more natural.

I already sent my player back, so I am going from memory (which isn't great), but I thought for sure there was an Oppo splash screen that said 'Oppo', 'Blu Ray' and then under it was a sparkly horizontal bluish/white image below it. Am I mistaken? Anyway, that image is the sparkly thing I was talking about that changed with the sharpness setting.

Is that what you get from this thread? That's unfortunate.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that if you set your OPPO to output 1080p the resulting picture quality will be different than if you set the OPPO to output Source Direct. Can you see the same difference when playing a 1080p movie from a Blu-ray disk?

With a Blu-ray film based movie they very definitely should be the same. With a Netflix stream which option is better, 1080P or Source Direct? Do you know what Netflix is doing with the 1080i and 720p HDTV sources before they are streamed? Is it possible that when OPPO is set to output 1080p, it has to process the Netflix stream because the stream isn't 1080p? I'm asking because I don't know and have never given the stream itself any thought.

I bought the BDP-93 for outstanding DVD, and CD playback quality. I also bought it for solid Blu-ray playback, .ISO capability, and great customer support. I had been a repeat offender on two previous occasions.

There is no way I would pay $500 to anyone for a streaming device at this point in time. When streaming was a free add-on at Netflix, I watched some TV series the way you are doing now. I used my computer with it's 24" screen and the SD PQ was acceptable. There was a little 720p available but not with anything I wanted to watch. Blowing the Netflix image up to a 60" display was too much to ask. Maybe I should try it again, If so, I'll use a dedicated device that's one of Netflix's main devices. Today's AVRs, Blu-ray players, and TVs are loaded with features that are meaningless to a lot of people who buy them. It must be a rare individual who puts a home theater together in 2013 and uses all the included features that are found in those three types of devices.

Enjoy.
Edited by htwaits - 2/8/13 at 8:07pm

That's absurd. Every device does not have to be capable of GbE and your Fast Ethernet devices will not "slow down" because you have a GbE switch and some GbE devices.


You can read the specs, no need to guess or ask. An no need to shy away from GbE just because the Oppo only does Fast Ethernet. I don't get where all of this "voodoo" thinking is coming from.

Hi:

 

I have the 105 hooked up to my wireless router along with other devices. The oppo is wired to the router. I'm running Win 7 on my laptop and connect wirelessly to my router. Shouldn't i 'see' the Oppo in Windows 7 along with other devices in my network?

 

-David

If you're asking about whether the Oppo should be seen in "Network", apparently it does not... although it clearly gets an IP address assigned (as confirmed by looking at "attached devices" in your router). Going into the Oppo clearly shows an IP address assigned, and going into the router clearly shows it assigned.

Doesn't show up for me in "Network" either, although my other Internet-enabled and connected A/V devices do (i.e. Panny 65VT50 TV, Yamaha RX-V867, and Linksys DMA2100 WMC extenders).

Not a problem.