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post #5611 of 16418
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Originally Posted by electricmanscott View Post

I posted about a few problems and some went unaddressed. No big deal but why one guy feels the need to ridicule me on the Netflix thing is odd. Just defending myself.

Sorry you're having issues.

For me it's strange to read all of the chat about Netflix/streaming issues let alone the 0, +1 sharpness complaints. I still own/use my 93 that I have had since pre order days, mated to a PJ and 126 inch screen. My 103 is mated to a 60 and 50 inch Plasma. Nock on wood, and I'm completely being honest here, yet I have yet to have a hiccup beyond picture quality due to bandwidth/IP provider slowdowns when it comes to either Netflix or VUDU (even Blockbuster (93)) on either the 93 or 103. And I couldn't even tell you how many streaming events my teenagers have logged in the last 3 to 4 years. The 93 has a handshake issue with the PJ every once in a while yet its running on the ISO-capable firmware of several years back - reselecting HDMI input via the remote fixes that. The 103 I keep firmware current and its been flawless.

As mentioned, OPPO has some of the best customer service in the industry. Known/reproducible issues get resolved and those that need replacements or refunds get handled quickly and professionally. The OPPOs may not do everything for everyone perfectly. The enormous variables between components and configurations effect each player / manufacturer now days. Hope you get things worked out.
post #5612 of 16418
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I bought the 103 as a transport for an external video processor.

If you are using the player as a digital video transport then why are you even bothering to use HDMI 1 in the first place? You would want to be using HDMI 2 instead as this is the cleanest disc to HDMI transport you can make in the player's hardware. Beyond any processing which may occur with HDMI 1, you also reduce the complexity of the HDMI handshakes which can cause unwanted errors like no video or incorrect audio.
post #5613 of 16418
Anyone think it is strange when you have to eject the disc tray in order to listen to the same CD again?

After listen to the end of the music CD, you will see a HOME MENU on the player. Well, I wanted to listen to the same CD again so I press the PLAY button on the remote, it does not play the CD at all. I than tried to press the NEXT button on the remote and nothing happen. People from OPPO told me to press the ENTER button but now it is showing SETUP MENU on the player. My 103 must not be working correctly.

The only way to play the same CD again is to eject the disc tray and close the disc tray and it will play again. Talk about weird. I never had to do that on other players. Why do I need to eject the disc tray if I want to listen to the same CD again. Wouldn't that damage the disc tray after awhile???

I may have to return this player back to OPPO.
post #5614 of 16418
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Anyone think it is strange when you have to eject the disc tray in order to listen to the same CD again?

After listen to the end of the music CD, you will see a HOME MENU on the player. Well, I wanted to listen to the same CD again so I press the PLAY button on the remote, it does not play the CD at all. I than tried to press the NEXT button on the remote and nothing happen. People from OPPO told me to press the ENTER button but now it is showing SETUP MENU on the player. My 103 must not be working correctly.

The only way to play the same CD again is to eject the disc tray and close the disc tray and it will play again. Talk about weird. I never had to do that on other players. Why do I need to eject the disc tray if I want to listen to the same CD again. Wouldn't that damage the disc tray after awhile???

I may have to return this player back to OPPO.

When playback exits back to the Home screen, you simply need to press "enter" with the disc icon highlighted.
post #5615 of 16418
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

Anyone think it is strange when you have to eject the disc tray in order to listen to the same CD again?

After listen to the end of the music CD, you will see a HOME MENU on the player. Well, I wanted to listen to the same CD again so I press the PLAY button on the remote, it does not play the CD at all. I than tried to press the NEXT button on the remote and nothing happen. People from OPPO told me to press the ENTER button but now it is showing SETUP MENU on the player. My 103 must not be working correctly.

The only way to play the same CD again is to eject the disc tray and close the disc tray and it will play again. Talk about weird. I never had to do that on other players. Why do I need to eject the disc tray if I want to listen to the same CD again. Wouldn't that damage the disc tray after awhile???

I may have to return this player back to OPPO.

Sounds like you had the Setup icon highlighted on Home Menu, right? That's why Enter caused the Setup Menu to open.

Just switch to the Disc icon.

The Play button only defaults to playing a disc if the Disc icon is highlighted or if the tray is open. That's because the OPPO can play many things other than just discs.

I doubt there's anything wrong with your player, just some misunderstanding about how Home Menu works.
--Bob
post #5616 of 16418
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

When playback exits back to the Home screen, you simply need to press "enter" with the disc icon highlighted.


The problem is that when I listen to music, my TV is not turn on. So I really don't know what the player is showing after the music is over. So you are telling me every time when the CD music is over, I need to turn on my TV in order to player the same CD again? I think there is a design flaw from OPPO. They need to make it easy for customers to use without too much hassle. OPPO need to design it so the user can press the PLAY button and the CD will start again. Many other players out there got that simple feature for how many years ago.

I should not have to eject the disc tray or turn on my TV so I can play the same CD again.

Here what the player should do in order to play the same CD again:

1. Press the PLAY button on the remote to play the same CD again.
2. Press a track number on the remote and the player should start playing that track on the same CD. (I tried that with this player and it did not work either)
3. Press NEXT or PREV button on the remote and the player should start playing on the same CD.




Maybe the player just trying to tell me that it does not like my music. HA HA HA

It is telling me enough is enough with that crap music!!! HA HA HA

Man, this player is A LOT smarter than I thought.
Edited by mantaraydesign - 2/14/13 at 1:32pm
post #5617 of 16418
^ If you had been on Disc Icon when you started the disc playing you wouldn't have this confusion. The player powers up on Disc Icon. You must have moved it off of Disc Icon at some point prior to starting the disc. Basically you told the player to do something other than just be a disc player.
--Bob
post #5618 of 16418
Thread Starter 
Like Bob already mentioned, if the cursor selection was in a different location when you loaded the disc, the cursor will return the that location when you drop back to the Home Menu after playing a CD or DVD.

The easiest way to remedy this if you are using PURE AUDIO or have the display off, is to simply press the HOME button on the remote when you see and you see HOME MENU on the front panel of the player.

Now press PLAY or ENTER. The disc will play as normal.

The HOME button will always move the cursor back to the default location, DISC, so if there is a CD, DVD, Blu-ray or other physical disc media in the player, the player will launch the disc with an ENTER or PLAY command.
post #5619 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you are using the player as a digital video transport then why are you even bothering to use HDMI 1 in the first place? You would want to be using HDMI 2 instead as this is the cleanest disc to HDMI transport you can make in the player's hardware. Beyond any processing which may occur with HDMI 1, you also reduce the complexity of the HDMI handshakes which can cause unwanted errors like no video or incorrect audio.

I started out using HDMI 1 Source Direct. When Oppo acknowledged that the QDEO's noise reduction was still active in HDMI 1 Source Direct, I switched to HDMI 2 Source Direct. Very noticeable improvement in sharpness, fine detail and perceived depth on reference material (S&M Montage). However, as I detailed in post 5276, output from HDMI 2 fails the S&M Chroma Multiburst horizontal high frequency tests for all color spaces and bit rates. HDMI 1 passes all the tests. 422 on HDMI 2 came closest to passing but colors lost significant luminance. Dim and dull as someone else described it. I switched back to HDMI 1 Source Direct with sharpness and texture enhancements in my Lumagen Radiance cranked up to high levels. I have asked Lumagen to look into the problem and regardless of those results hope Oppo will fix this. IMO HDMI 1 Source Direct should not be advertised as that unless it really is.
post #5620 of 16418
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

The problem is that when I listen to music, my TV is not turn on. So I really don't know what the player is showing after the music is over. So you are telling me every time when the CD music is over, I need to turn on my TV in order to player the same CD again? I think there is a design flaw from OPPO. They need to make it easy for customers to use without too much hassle. OPPO need to design it so the user can press the PLAY button and the CD will start again. Many other players out there got that simple feature for how many years ago.

I should not have to eject the disc tray or turn on my TV so I can play the same CD again.

Here what the player should do in order to play the same CD again:

1. Press the PLAY button on the remote to play the same CD again.
2. Press a track number on the remote and the player should start playing that track on the same CD. (I tried that with this player and it did not work either)
3. Press NEXT or PREV button on the remote and the player should start playing on the same CD.




Maybe the player just trying to tell me that it does not like my music. HA HA HA

It is telling me enough is enough with that crap music!!! HA HA HA

Man, this player is A LOT smarter than I thought.

Just a thought. Instead of the Next or Previous button, perhaps you're hitting the right and left arrow keys beside Enter? If so, this will move you off of "disc" when you're in the home menu, and this you can't see with your tv off. Another option is at any time when playing your cd, press the repeat button twice on your remote and the complete cd will continue to play over again when done.
post #5621 of 16418
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I started out using HDMI 1 Source Direct. When Oppo acknowledged that the QDEO's noise reduction was still active in HDMI 1 Source Direct, I switched to HDMI 2 Source Direct. Very noticeable improvement in sharpness, fine detail and perceived depth on reference material (S&M Montage). However, as I detailed in post 5276, output from HDMI 2 fails the S&M Chroma Multiburst horizontal high frequency tests for all color spaces and bit rates. HDMI 1 passes all the tests. 422 on HDMI 2 came closest to passing but colors lost significant luminance. Dim and dull as someone else described it. I switched back to HDMI 1 Source Direct with sharpness and texture enhancements in my Lumagen Radiance cranked up to high levels. I have asked Lumagen to look into the problem and regardless of those results hope Oppo will fix this. IMO HDMI 1 Source Direct should not be advertised as that unless it really is.

Use RGB Video or YCbCr 4:4:4 and have the Lumigen do the Color Space conversion to 4:2:2 if this is necessary for your display.

Source Direct does not bypass the Color Space settings on the player as there is no ability to send YCbCr 4:2:0.
post #5622 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Use RGB Video or YCbCr 4:4:4 and have the Lumigen do the Color Space conversion to 4:2:2 if this is necessary for your display.

Source Direct does not bypass the Color Space settings on the player as there is no ability to send YCbCr 4:2:0.

Thanks. Problem is that I have tried every possible combination of Oppo color space and bit rate output from HDMI 2. Combined this with every possible combination (except RGB-PC) of Radiance output. Nothing comes close to passing the tests. Note that the 83 I had passed all the tests and so does HDMI 1 from the 103. Everything in the video/audio chain is identical except for the selection of HDMI 1 vs. HDMI 2.
post #5623 of 16418
Thread Starter 
In my configuration using YCbCr 4:4:4 HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 look identical when using the Chroma and Luma test patterns. I believe Bob reported similar observations in his configuration, confirming issues with YCbCr 4:2:2, but not with RGB Video or YCbCr 4:4:4 when using HDMI 2.
post #5624 of 16418
Well I finally could not resist and bought the BDP-103 yesterday at a local Magnolia store. Will try to find my much loved IBDP-83 a new home. (What are they worth these days?) I wish I had started following this thread sooner, because right now i am really confused about the complaints about sharpness,Netflix and HDMI handshake issues.
Last night I did try running my Verizon DVR through the rear HDMI input to use the video processing of HDMI 1 out, but had major handshake issues (delayed channel changes) using the native resolution output of the DVR. I have a Denon AVR-4311 receiver that the 103 is connected to.
So for now I am not using the HDMI input. Other than that streaming Netflix worked fine for me. But if I understand correctly, are some people here unhappy with the look of Netflix streaming from the 103? I was using a Panasonic BDT-220 to stream before and I don't know if I see a difference in quality. I have a Panasonic 50" GT50 and a Panasonic AE-3000 projector for displays.
Hoping someone could give me a quick synopsis of what people are having issues with. I have jumped around the last few pages and used the search feature, but are so many pages to get through.

Thanks
post #5625 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

In my configuration using YCbCr 4:4:4 HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 look identical when using the Chroma and Luma test patterns. I believe Bob reported similar observations in his configuration, confirming issues with YCbCr 4:2:2, but not with RGB Video or YCbCr 4:4:4 when using HDMI 2.

I tested also on HDMI2 and all S&M tests pass. So seems issue is with his setup.
post #5626 of 16418
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Originally Posted by A.Bell View Post

So for now I am not using the HDMI input. Other than that streaming Netflix worked fine for me. But if I understand correctly, are some people here unhappy with the look of Netflix streaming from the 103?

...if NETFLIX stream looks too soft to you, try setting SHARPNESS=1 on HDMI1...but I am getting lost myself in the discussion. PS- I live near you but not familiar with Magnolia.
post #5627 of 16418
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Originally Posted by bbar View Post

I tested also on HDMI2 and all S&M tests pass. So seems issue is with his setup.

Bbar and Neuromancer: Were these tests done with Source Direct? If so, Bbar is the first person to report all passing with HDMI 2 Source Direct. Would be nice if you would tell us what your setup is. Thanks
post #5628 of 16418
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Originally Posted by HDTBill View Post

...if NETFLIX stream looks too soft to you, try setting SHARPNESS=1 on HDMI1...but I am getting lost myself in the discussion. PS- I live near you but not familiar with Magnolia.

Magnolia = Best Buy. :-)
post #5629 of 16418
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Originally Posted by A.Bell View Post

Last night I did try running my Verizon DVR through the rear HDMI input to use the video processing of HDMI 1 out, but had major handshake issues (delayed channel changes) using the native resolution output of the DVR. I have a Denon AVR-4311 receiver that the 103 is connected to.
So for now I am not using the HDMI input.
You have lots of devices in the HDMI relay chain from source to display (running from DVR through 103 through 4311 to two HDTV's, GT50 and AE3000 (presumably from the two HDMI outputs of the 4311). So we need to be "tolerant" of HDMI handshakes when the source device needs to talk to the display device.

When you use "native" on the DVR, that means output will toggle between 720p and 1080i depending on the resolution of the source program you're watching (either live or recorded). So you're feeding the 103 a changing resolution as you change channels or select recordings for viewing, depending on the resolution of that program.

If you have the 103 output resolution set to AUTO, that means the 103 will be upconverting both 720p and 1080i source fed to it through the external HDMI input to 1080p output (since both GT50 and AE3000 acknowledge via HDMI handshakes, running through the 4311 and back to the 103, that they can accept 1080p).

If you were to run your DVR straight to either HDTV, you'd also see the "delay" you mention when you change channels, as the display would have to reconfigure itself between 720p source or 1080i source (for display at native resolution of 1080p) each time you toggled through another channel which changed resolutions. You'd see no delays changing channels if they were all 720p or all 1080i. You only see delays when the resolution flips.

Well, in your current setup you're seeing a similar delay because the 103 has to make the same type of accomodation for the "native" (i.e. 720p or 1080i) out of your DVR feeding the 103. This is not unusual, not unexpected, and perfectly normal with all DVR's that support "native"... and as I said would also occur even with direct HDMI connection from DVR to HDTV.
post #5630 of 16418
HDTBILL,
As mentioned above I meant the Magnolia store inside Best Buy. The new Magnolia Design Centers now carry OPPO. (Springfield and Fair Lakes are the ones I have been to) The Woodbridge store near me has a Magnolia inside, but it is not a Magnolia Design Center.
Edited by A.Bell - 2/14/13 at 7:10pm
post #5631 of 16418
DSperber,
Thanks for taking the time to explain all that to me.
post #5632 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Sounds like you had the Setup icon highlighted on Home Menu, right? That's why Enter caused the Setup Menu to open.

Just switch to the Disc icon.

The Play button only defaults to playing a disc if the Disc icon is highlighted or if the tray is open. That's because the OPPO can play many things other than just discs.

I doubt there's anything wrong with your player, just some misunderstanding about how Home Menu works.
--Bob


I was able to switched to the Disc icon and it is working now. I am able to press the PLAY button on the remote and listen to the same CD again.

However, I think it would be a better design if every time you put a CD in, the player should Automatically switch to the Disc icon. That way, there are no confusion for the user. OPPO can do that right now with a software update. Sometimes a user may forget to switch back to the Disc icon after they were using other icons such as SETUP menu, NetFlix, etc...


Thanks everyone for all your help regarding this matter!
post #5633 of 16418
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Given the resale market for your "rip off" player, you can easily get almost all your money back.

I'm amazed that you determined that the player was worth $499 when you made your purchase, but failed to learn that it's not a great streaming device for the likes of Netflix. There have been Netflix complaints from day one of the BDP-93. The BDP-103 has always had similar problems. Professional reviewers have little to no interest in add on extra features like Netflix. Personally, I didn't find Netflix to be worth $8.00 a month using a high powered graphic PC for streaming to a 24" screen. I've never been tempted to try Netflix on a 60" screen. Maybe someday. wink.gif

Htwaits - I don't really understand this because the netflix client in the 103 is perfectly capable of streaming the 1080p 5.8mb/s super hd stream just like the ps3, roku and Apple TV 3 is. It has the identical UI to the ps3 netflix app and if you use source direct you can bi-pass any video post processing ... So I'm not entirely sure why one might think it's "not a great streamer for the likes of netflix"

If users are suffering rebuffering and lockups and its a universal problem with all oppo netflix users then that's one thing but I don't believe that to be the case?
post #5634 of 16418
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Htwaits - I don't really understand this because the netflix client in the 103 is perfectly capable of streaming the 1080p 5.8mb/s super hd stream just like the ps3, roku and Apple TV 3 is. It has the identical UI to the ps3 netflix app and if you use source direct you can bi-pass any video post processing ... So I'm not entirely sure why one might think it's "not a great streamer for the likes of netflix"

There's an implication floating around this topic that the 103 is really for playing discs, any other functionality is a bonus, and that we shouldn't expect the Oppo to deliver on these features as well as other devices do. Frankly, it's nonsense, and accusing owners of doing inadequate research before their purchase and suggesting they're somehow out of bounds because they expect an advertised feature to actually work sets a pretty low bar for Oppo to meet. Besides, if not for the criticisms leveled in this topic regarding the 103's buggy Netflix support, where exactly would potential buyers conduct their research? As was already mentioned, "professional" reviewers haven't provided any analysis of the 103's Netflix performance at all.

It doesn't take a high-end piece of hardware to receive a relatively low bitrate A/V stream and decode it properly. Any number of cheap, low-powered devices do this without issue. Saying the PS3 has some hardware advantage that makes it a better streaming device doesn't hold water.

It's also really bothersome that some members are telling others to stop "complaining" and contact Oppo customer support because they can't expect to get any satisfaction in this topic. Thorough investigation of device shortcomings and discussion of any discoveries should be fair game whether those discussions reflect positively on Oppo or not. Just as customer satisfaction leads to lots of gushing, customer dissatisfaction leads to venting, especially when some owners who don't care about a particular feature pooh-pooh those of us who do, while others place the blame on Netflix denying Oppo devices full access to HD streams, DNS issues, the router, the ethernet connection, and planetary alignment. Telling people not to vent about it is less productive than the venting itself.

The 103 is an amazing disc player with glaring faults in other areas, and owner's threads need to be about more than resolving setup issues and regurgitating FAQ content.
post #5635 of 16418
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post


Htwaits - I don't really understand this because the netflix client in the 103 is perfectly capable of streaming the 1080p 5.8mb/s super hd stream just like the ps3, roku and Apple TV 3 is. It has the identical UI to the ps3 netflix app and if you use source direct you can bi-pass any video post processing ... So I'm not entirely sure why one might think it's "not a great streamer for the likes of netflix"

If users are suffering rebuffering and lockups and its a universal problem with all oppo netflix users then that's one thing but I don't believe that to be the case?
I don't use Netflix but I do know that any Internet application can present complex and inconsistent results.

Recently I've been following a couple of Netflix thread and the user reports seem to be all over the place. Some of the inconsistence seems to emanate from individual Netflix server farms. Our BDP-93 hasn't been connected to the Internet since it's first month in our system. When Netflix introduced streaming, I tried it on my PC. When they started to charge, I opted to wait until PQ and availability of good source material improved significantly. I'm sure that many people are enjoying Netflix through their OPPO players and other devices. Ours feeds our movie habit. eek.gif
Edited by htwaits - 2/14/13 at 10:36pm
post #5636 of 16418
Tests pass fine on HDMI 2 though I need to set RGB color space for the Clipping screen as it is clipped in YCbCr 4:2:2 and can't remember if also clipped with 4:4:4.

Same thing happens on HDMI1 so consistent across both.

I have 103 of course connected via HDMI1 and HDMI2 into a Marantz AV8801 which is set pretty much to pass through except I have Covert I/P enabled to allow Marantz Menu to be displayed. The Marantz is connected to a JVC RS56 / X75 so I am thinking the JVC is the one that prefers the RGB colour space. Can test further as have a monitor connected to Marantz also on Monitor2 out that I use when configuring the equipment in the wiring closet. Equipment rack is outside the HT room.

Chroma burst gives same results on HDMI1 and HDMI2 using all 3 color spaces I believe. It is only the clipping test that passes with RGB and fails (i.e. clipping) with YCbCr. Test says ability to display above reference so not sure if YCbCr is stopping anything going out over reference but RGB isn't.

should say running video as split and color space as RGB with 12 bit deep color. Happy to test different configuration if that would help.

I also did test in Source Direct I believe.
post #5637 of 16418
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Originally Posted by thirdkind View Post


It's also really bothersome that some members are telling others to stop "complaining" and contact Oppo customer support because they can't expect to get any satisfaction in this topic. Thorough investigation of device shortcomings and discussion of any discoveries should be fair game whether those discussions reflect positively on Oppo or not.

Again, we do technical Q&A here on the things we can help with. Feel free to post if:
  • You need help
  • You can help someone else
  • You have new test results or other info

...regardless of whether it reflects positively or negatively on OPPO.

People who repeatedly post on how unhappy they are and how much money they spent are complaining. OPPO pays people to deal with unhappy customers, but here at AVSForum we are volunteers and we stick to the technical Q&A topics above.

This has been the practice in all the OPPO threads for years. If it becomes a disputed point we will ask the forum moderators to rule but I think they will tell you the same thing.

-Bill
post #5638 of 16418
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Originally Posted by A.Bell View Post

Last night I did try running my Verizon DVR through the rear HDMI input to use the video processing of HDMI 1 out, but had major handshake issues (delayed channel changes) using the native resolution output of the DVR. I have a Denon AVR-4311 receiver that the 103 is connected to.
So for now I am not using the HDMI input.

Try using the HDMI2 output instead of HDMI1. That solution fixed my handshake issues (I also have a Comcast DVR Motorola box, although mine doesn't have a Native option) as well as some other people on this forum. The picture quality isn't that dramatically different and you may even like HDMI2 better. As far as netfilx goes, I tried using the PS3, but the quality of the picture was far too soft compared with the OPPO. I was running it into the AVR (a Denon 3311) directly though, so I may try it through the other Oppo HDMI in. I have gotten a couple of lock-ups on Netflix, but it hasn't happened often enough to be a concern.
post #5639 of 16418
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Originally Posted by avswilier View Post


Oh thanks for that. I suppose then the 103 is a pre-amp. Understood!

Actually it is not a preamplifier either but it may be used similarly to a preamp. It appears there are some who want the unit to function as an amp, preamp, AVR with room connection software,etc. smile.gif
post #5640 of 16418
I'm using Disney wow to collaborate my 103, ,in the advanced audio/ video sync test it's showing a few milliseconds delay/ early audio sync.
I'm not suffering from it when watching movies it only shows in the test, how do I solve it?from the player or AVR?
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