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post #5821 of 16397
Thank you globalnomad, hello to you also, good comments to consider. You didn't state which unit you are using- 103 or 105? I see that extra DAC of the 105 really adds to the price. perhaps I should stay with two players and save some money, after all I still have my HD player connected and use it on occasion. smile.gif I have 3 players in use right now DVD, HD, and Blu Ray. So as you can imagine I would really like to consolidate some space. That said, I am not willing to give up my 2 channel audio, heck I still listen to vinyl- and love it too.
post #5822 of 16397

Sorry, I have the 103 - the 105 was a bit too pricey for me at this point. I still love the stereo sound though (if you go with the OPPO, just set up downmixing to Stereo).

 

I should say that it's not just the DAC that adds to the price. To include better components, the analog audio board on the 105 is manufactured through a different process than the 103; I think this is the largest contribution to the price increase.

post #5823 of 16397
Hey,
I currently have a 5.1 speaker setup with denon avr 789 that doesn't have preouts. I use a dune media player to stream movies,tv, and music and i have a pvr to watch tv live. I want to upgrade to
seperates with a dedicated amp and preamp. Is anyone using the oppo as their pre-amp ? How would I hook up the cables? Would the oppo streaming most of my stuff use the hdmi out to the tv, then have pvr hdmi going to the hdmi in 1 of the oppo ? I know all the audio will go to the rca's to the amp. Just wondering if this is a good solution instead of having to buy the outlaw 975 as well. Since I only have two video needs with hdmi then the oppo looks like a good solution. Thanks for any help.

Donny
post #5824 of 16397
I've started having some streaming issues frown.gif
When I add files to WMP library and find them on the 103 via dlna, the newly added ones show 'time' and 'resolution' as 0 and when I play them it crashed at 13%. Anyone know why this may be?
post #5825 of 16397
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

As I understood their response, that's clearly what they are saying. If you want (as I generally do) a signal that is not processed at all, you have to use HDMI 2

My personal preference would have been that 0 on all controls on HDMI 1 would have meant that all processing was off, but they have chosen not to implement the chip that way, although their reply implied they could have done that if they had chosen to.

Ideally the player ought to have different sets of settings for each of the various input sources.

So (for example) I would have:
  • Source = Blu-Ray disk (@ 1080 resolution) => No processing
  • Source = DVD disk (or Blu-Ray @ 576/480 resolution) => Apply sharpening factor "n", noise reduction factor "m", etc.
  • Source = Remote Stream => Apply sharpening factor "x", noise reduction factor "y", etc.

Edit: The player does actually have a store of three sets of settings ("picture modes"), but currently you have to select each one by hand. So what I am suggesting is basically to have a particular picture mode applied automatically depending on the video source.
Edited by AndrewFG - 2/19/13 at 1:25am
post #5826 of 16397
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Originally Posted by rickydenim View Post

I've started having some streaming issues frown.gif
When I add files to WMP library and find them on the 103 via dlna, the newly added ones show 'time' and 'resolution' as 0 and when I play them it crashed at 13%. Anyone know why this may be?

You probably need to provide more details about what kind of files you added (what music format, where they came from etc). If some metadata tags are missing, it could simply be because your new files don't have that metadata in them. In any case, you should not automatically blame either WMP or Oppo for missing or wrong metadata...

Concerning the "crash" at 13%, what exactly happened? Did WMP crash, or the player crash, or did it simply cease to play? Again you need to provide more details about your new files. It may for example be the case that your new music file has bad metadata tags in it for duration, sample rate, bit depth, or channel count, i.e. values that are inconsistent with the actual duration, sample rate, bit depth, or channel count. Such an error would cause the majority of Digital Media Renderers to fall over...
post #5827 of 16397
Well I just ordered this with a region free mod so im hoping all of this processing doesn't bother me.
post #5828 of 16397
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Originally Posted by kodi41 View Post

Hello everyone, I have a few questions that perhaps some of you can answer for me. Due to the Oppo reviews I have read my questions are as follows:

First, what makes the Oppo 103 better then say, Sony /ES, Pioneer/Elite, Panasonic, ect. Trust me I can unserstand the difference's if I am told what they are, and if they can be seen. I do not quite follow how the wireless work for this player either- ie, netflix ect.

Secondly, reviews state even the customer support is the highest in the industry- is this actually true?

Third- Are these players made here in the USA?

Finally, in a few months I will be upgrading to a projector and screen at 100 or so inches, I am not into 3d, so would the 103 be a good choice for my use? Does it do 3d? How good is the 2 channel audio compared to high end SACD players. Would this player be a good all in one unit?

Thank you in advance.

here is my answers:

1) the company response is just excellent like others have said. all blu ray players have problems with certain things like disc not playing etc etc. its helps to have a company that is interested in solving that problem. I have had issues with other players that could not play certain titles and they never were able to get fixed. yes it does cost more then others, but its worth the investment. I currently own the oppo 93. I can do 3d on it. its excellent. I would think the 103 is the same with the 3d.

2) YES
post #5829 of 16397
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Originally Posted by kodi41 View Post


Third- Are these players made here in the USA?

China. Design and development are done in the US.

-Bill
post #5830 of 16397
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Originally Posted by jdlynch View Post

I'm having my Oppo 103 decode all audio formats, and, send them to my Lexicon MC-12B via 5.1 analog inputs. I am confused on what audio output settings to choose on the Oppo? It was not clear to me in the manual. I do not want my Lexicon to try to decode what the Oppo has already decoded.

Could someone please explain this to me?

I am not using any of the digital/HDMI output connections.
Once the signal has been converted to analog by the Oppo, there's no decoding to be done on the Lexicon side. You should configure the Oppo analog outputs to a 5.1 downmix. If you want to use the bass management and room correction in your MC-12B (if you have the EQ option), then set the speakers to full range and set the distances and levels all the same on the Oppo and let the Lexicon handle that. If you don't want to do any processing at all on the Lexicon, then set your speakers to small as appropriate, select a crossover frequency, set the distance and levels on the Oppo and then configure your Lexicon to not do any processing on the analog input. It's been quite a while since I sold off my MC-12B EQ, so I don't remember the exact settings on the Lexicon side.
post #5831 of 16397
I see frequent posts regarding HDMI handshake issues. I have trouble with it myself.
Is there a protocol, guideline, or whatever for the order that components are powered ON
to reduce handshake errors?

I just upgraded a few components and am trying to work through occasional handshake issues.
With my old setup, I would power up the receiver, then the TV with no issue.
If TV powered first and the receiver 2nd, it would not connect.
post #5832 of 16397
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Originally Posted by bbar View Post

How are you enabling volume control for the centre speaker. I assume you are using volume control on preamp for L/R .

Are you also using the Oppo volume control to control the center speaker volume?

Would be a hassle as would need to turn down pre-amp volume so that the Oppo volume control does not make the L/R speakers overly loud unless you have the pre-amp ( I assume it is a 2 channel pre-amp) in HT bypass mode.

bbar - This is where the learning comes in. I presume the Oppo would control the center speaker as the only device with a volume control. How do I know if it is? I think based on what you said I would refer to run the pre-amp in HT bypass mode and have the Oppo control all 3 speakers.
post #5833 of 16397
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Once the signal has been converted to analog by the Oppo, there's no decoding to be done on the Lexicon side. You should configure the Oppo analog outputs to a 5.1 downmix. If you want to use the bass management and room correction in your MC-12B (if you have the EQ option), then set the speakers to full range and set the distances and levels all the same on the Oppo and let the Lexicon handle that. If you don't want to do any processing at all on the Lexicon, then set your speakers to small as appropriate, select a crossover frequency, set the distance and levels on the Oppo and then configure your Lexicon to not do any processing on the analog input. It's been quite a while since I sold off my MC-12B EQ, so I don't remember the exact settings on the Lexicon side.

Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to be sure I did not have anything incorrect in the settings. I do have a version 5 with the EQ option, and, do use the MC-12 for bass management and room EQ. I am so thankful that Oppo provided me with a solution to breathe new life into my Lexicon. It may be old school, but, I absolutely love the sound!
post #5834 of 16397
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You've got something thrashing the HDD. Windows search or indexing is a possibility. Open "resource monitor" while the ISO is playing and it'll tell you what processes are accessing the HDD while this is happening. I forget where that particular monitor is located, but its lurking somewhere. (resmon.exe)

Well, just tested with resource monitor on and the largest process at the top with about 3,500,000 B/s total was $Mft(NFTS Master File table) plus some processes from regular programs ,such as Firefox etc.
FYI, this HDD has C partition for windows and D for files(that's where ISO is located). So it means that in order to have stutter-free playback I will have to get totally separate HDD where no windows files are located, only media?

That kinda reduces SMB playback functionality in Oppo by 50% rolleyes.gif
post #5835 of 16397
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

Well, just tested with resource monitor on and the largest process at the top with about 3,500,000 B/s total was $Mft(NFTS Master File table) plus some processes from regular programs ,such as Firefox etc.
FYI, this HDD has C partition for windows and D for files(that's where ISO is located). So it means that in order to have stutter-free playback I will have to get totally separate HDD where no windows files are located, only media?

That kinda reduces SMB playback functionality in Oppo by 50% rolleyes.gif

When you opened Resource Monitor, did you sort the CPU section by the "CPU" column? Also sort the Disk section by the "Total" column. Stay on the "Overview" tab and watch them both for activity when the slowdown is occurring.

Also, you should consider closing your applications when streaming, as its very easy for a webpage to initiate a high resource request on its own.

If you give the computer a fresh reboot, and make sure not to open any apps, does the system still slow down at the same timing rate? Have you scrubbed out your startup [msconfig] lately?
post #5836 of 16397
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I can provide some feedback regarding the WDTV Live (not play) and new 2013 Dune players .... Although each will play just about any video codec within a MKV container, HD audio is more problematic. DTS-MA is not supported on the WD Live and the 2013 dunes causes dropouts and stuttering. The new WDTV play also doesn't support mpeg2 in a MKV container. The dunes can see NFS and Samba shares, where as the WDLive can just see samba shares. Both will work with DLNA.

My advise when trying to decide a local media streamer is to consider carefully what you intend to use it for and what video and audio codecs you're files use. You may find a simple BD player suffices.
Does the DTS HD audio dropout occur when playing back MKV files directly through USB? Was it in bitstream of LPCM mode?
post #5837 of 16397
Hi:

I recently purchased an Oppo 103, so far so good.

Due to my WAT I ripped all my BluRays in BDMV, which I already know they can not play via SMB, although there are some methods through USB. This means that I now have an external HD and the HTPC, well what can I say..... more gadgets....

My question was if I can make Jriver to push the contents to the Oppo (HDMI In) and If the quality that I get by doing so is better than the one of the HTPC straight to the processor. As far as I know any content with Cinavia will not play through the Oppo no matter if the source will read it without any issue.

Thanks in advance,

My setup:
Speakers: JBL 1500, 1400, 880, 800
Processor: Onkyo PRSC 5508
Projector: Epson TW 5500
Amplifiers: DIY Hypex 7*
post #5838 of 16397
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Links to the kits we know about are here: Region Free Modifications

-Bill

Bill,

I don't see imegstore on the list. That is where I got my external mod for the 93 and it appears they have a mod for the 103 available. I've been out of the thread for awhile, so I apologize if I missed some discussion that explains a reason to not have them listed.

Speaking of the imegstore external mod...Has anyone who upgraded from the 93 to the 103 tested to see if it works at all?
post #5839 of 16397
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

Well, just tested with resource monitor on and the largest process at the top with about 3,500,000 B/s total was $Mft(NFTS Master File table) plus some processes from regular programs ,such as Firefox etc.
FYI, this HDD has C partition for windows and D for files(that's where ISO is located). So it means that in order to have stutter-free playback I will have to get totally separate HDD where no windows files are located, only media?

That kinda reduces SMB playback functionality in Oppo by 50% rolleyes.gif

To me that says that Windows is still doing some sort of indexing or backup process. I doubt it is related to you accessing the ISO, it's something else going on and I wouldn't rule out Paging File activity. But you're right that you really do need a dedicated storage and media drive for the best performance.
post #5840 of 16397
I just got my Oppo BDP-103 this week and very pleased so far. I'm able to stream my Bluray MKV rips just fine from my Mac using Playback. I can also stream my high res music files just fine. Netflix seems to look as good as it does on my Apple TV and PS3.
I have a question on how to set-up my system to play in two zones. Zone 1: Oppo HDMI1>Pioneer Elite SC-35>Darbee>JVC RS-46. I love the picture and the multi-channel sound works just fine. For Zone2:Oppo HDMI2 >LG LCD for video and Oppo Stereo Analog>Elite SC-35 DVD stereo Analog input for sound. Is it possible to have the Oppo down mix the analog output to stereo for Zone 2 while keeping the full surround HDMI signal going to the SC-35 for Zone 1? If not, is there a quick way to down mix to stereo and back to multi-channel sound?
Thanks,
Guy
post #5841 of 16397
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Originally Posted by javierschmidt View Post

Hi:

I recently purchased an Oppo 103, so far so good.

Due to my WAT I ripped all my BluRays in BDMV, which I already know they can not play via SMB, although there are some methods through USB. This means that I now have an external HD and the HTPC, well what can I say..... more gadgets....

My question was if I can make Jriver to push the contents to the Oppo (HDMI In) and If the quality that I get by doing so is better than the one of the HTPC straight to the processor. As far as I know any content with Cinavia will not play through the Oppo no matter if the source will read it without any issue.

M2TS or MKV files will eliminate these issues. The player can also browse to and play the M2TS files from the BDMV-STREAM folder if you know which one you want.

I see no benefit to running your HTPC direct to HDMI input on the player unless you have to for some reason. The HDMI input does have a couple limitations. Jriver can serve the files to the player via DNLA too, so there's that.
post #5842 of 16397
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Originally Posted by yoguy1 View Post

I just got my Oppo BDP-103 this week and very pleased so far. I'm able to stream my Bluray MKV rips just fine from my Mac using Playback. I can also stream my high res music files just fine. Netflix seems to look as good as it does on my Apple TV and PS3.
I have a question on how to set-up my system to play in two zones. Zone 1: Oppo HDMI1>Pioneer Elite SC-35>Darbee>JVC RS-46. I love the picture and the multi-channel sound works just fine. For Zone2:Oppo HDMI2 >LG LCD for video and Oppo Stereo Analog>Elite SC-35 DVD stereo Analog input for sound. Is it possible to have the Oppo down mix the analog output to stereo for Zone 2 while keeping the full surround HDMI signal going to the SC-35 for Zone 1? If not, is there a quick way to down mix to stereo and back to multi-channel sound?
Thanks,
Guy

This isn't really how the dual HDMI outputs are intended to be used. You may find that audio is limited to 2-ch PCM on both outputs. If you set the player to "split" mode, you can get video and stereo audio out from HDMI-1 and video with full res audio on HDMI-2. The analog outs will work fine in any case for a 2nd zone.
post #5843 of 16397
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

To me that says that Windows is still doing some sort of indexing or backup process. I doubt it is related to you accessing the ISO, it's something else going on and I wouldn't rule out Paging File activity. But you're right that you really do need a dedicated storage and media drive for the best performance.

Yes, I just transferred that ISO to another HDD which is basically just for storage and it worked without hiccups. Much simpler solution than messing with settings, disabling AW program or not being able to use web browser when someone's trying to watch that ISO over SMB.

On the other hand it's pity that relatively fast WD HDD can't handle both. I thought that was the whole idea of doing playback over SMB- no additional transcoding on PC, no extra stress for HDD.


Many thanks to Bill, rdgrimes and everyone else who replied.
post #5844 of 16397
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

Yes, I just transferred that ISO to another HDD which is basically just for storage and it worked without hiccups. Much simpler solution than messing with settings, disabling AW program or not being able to use web browser when someone's trying to watch that ISO over SMB.

On the other hand it's pity that relatively fast WD HDD can't handle both. I thought that was the whole idea of doing playback over SMB- no additional transcoding on PC, no extra stress for HDD.


Many thanks to Bill, rdgrimes and everyone else who replied.

It's not the hard drive, it's the operating system (any operating system, not just windows). It's performing so many tasks by time slicing that if any one takes precedence, your streaming performance will take a shot. Especially if you're dealing with multiple partitions. Partitions only look like different drives, they are physically still managed by both the firmware and the software of the overall physical drive.

If you have a partition with the operating system on it, that takes precedence over anything else pretty much whenever the operating system wants to. You are also sharing any disk buffer that exists with the operating system, again - something you want to avoid for a high demand data stream.

You are right in using a dedicated drive for your media.
post #5845 of 16397
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

Yes, I just transferred that ISO to another HDD which is basically just for storage and it worked without hiccups. Much simpler solution than messing with settings, disabling AW program or not being able to use web browser when someone's trying to watch that ISO over SMB.

On the other hand it's pity that relatively fast WD HDD can't handle both. I thought that was the whole idea of doing playback over SMB- no additional transcoding on PC, no extra stress for HDD.
.

Wandering off topic now, I'll say that your HDD is being stressed before the ISO playback starts. Might still be worth looking into. It's not about data rates, its about IOPS. (The drive is doing hundreds of reads/writes per second.) the media playback issue is not causing the problem, its revealing it.
Its a good argument for updating to an SSD for the OS and nothing but the OS.
post #5846 of 16397
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This isn't really how the dual HDMI outputs are intended to be used. You may find that audio is limited to 2-ch PCM on both outputs. If you set the player to "split" mode, you can get video and stereo audio out from HDMI-1 and video with full res audio on HDMI-2. The analog outs will work fine in any case for a 2nd zone.
OK, I just set the player to split mode and swapped the two HDMI output. I now get 2-channel stereo to Zone 2 through the analog input of my receiver and full res audio to HDMI 1. I understand that may not be the way the player is intended to be used but is there a downside to doing this? I bought the Oppo first and foremost for the Home Theater but was hoping to take advantage of its two channel capabilities in my main music room.
Thanks for the help.
post #5847 of 16397
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Originally Posted by BSTNFAN View Post

I don't see imegstore on the list. That is where I got my external mod for the 93 and it appears they have a mod for the 103 available. I've been out of the thread for awhile, so I apologize if I missed some discussion that explains a reason to not have them listed.

Ok. I've added it. Thanks much!

-Bill
post #5848 of 16397
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Originally Posted by rickydenim View Post

I've started having some streaming issues frown.gif
When I add files to WMP library and find them on the 103 via dlna, the newly added ones show 'time' and 'resolution' as 0 and when I play them it crashed at 13%. Anyone know why this may be?

I am getting the same 13% crash using JRiver Media Center as the renderer. All my audio plays fine via JRiver and is "pushed" to the Oppo using JRemote app on IOS. When I try to play video files they begin to load and then stop at 13%. I have to reboot the Oppo to get it "unfrozen". All my video files are mkv with HD audio. All play fine via SMB and other DLNA servers. I will look at metadata to see if that is the problem?
post #5849 of 16397
One feature I was sure that I won't be using on my 103 is 2D to 3D conversion. But just out of curiosity I tried 300 BD and results were...surprisingly good. So I ended up watching entire film in fake 3D biggrin.gif

Seriously, try it. The added depth effect is definitely there and for whatever reason it looks quite natural on this particular BD.
post #5850 of 16397
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

Yes, I just transferred that ISO to another HDD which is basically just for storage and it worked without hiccups. Much simpler solution than messing with settings, disabling AW program or not being able to use web browser when someone's trying to watch that ISO over SMB.

On the other hand it's pity that relatively fast WD HDD can't handle both. I thought that was the whole idea of doing playback over SMB- no additional transcoding on PC, no extra stress for HDD.


Many thanks to Bill, rdgrimes and everyone else who replied.
In the right scenario, an HDD can handle in the order of 7 HD streams at once in a set-top box application. So I wouldn't fault the HDD if it can't handle what you are throwing at it in a Windows environment.

In fact, one hard drive can typically handle more than a gigabit Ethernet connection can push to it. A hard drive can handle 120-200 MB/sec or over 1 Gigabit per second on a sequential read or write. But if it's doing Windows housekeeping, all bets are off.
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