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post #6061 of 16413
Quick question regarding the 103...
I was an initial purchaser of an 83 which is slowly dying so I'd like to purchase the 103. I like that it has 4k pass-thru for future proofing.
I'm confused about the HDMI input though. In Joerod's review, he stated he connected his Directv receiver to the input and let the Oppo do the processing and then sent that to his display or AVR (whichever the connection)
Is this the optimal way to set this up if I want to have my Directv receiver upscaled and processed by the 103? I'd be using a single cable to my AVR from the Oppo for audio processing (Denon 4311) and then send the signal to my Sony projector. I currently just have my Directv box connected to one of the HDMI inputs on the 4311.

Just making sure I have this feature correct and that this setup would work for me.
post #6062 of 16413
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Are you set to bitstream, or LPCM? I have very little success with bitstream, and occasional delays --Handshaking?--with LPCM into my Bryston SP3.

I believe I am using bitstream But I'll double check and report back.
post #6063 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Quick question regarding the 103...
I was an initial purchaser of an 83 which is slowly dying

OPPO will fix that for a modest fixed price.
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so I'd like to purchase the 103. I like that it has 4k pass-thru for future proofing.

I haven't paid much attention to 4k but I thought this was for upscaling only by the player, that is does not read 4k content. Would that apply to the HDMI inputs as well?

-Bill
post #6064 of 16413
I am getting drop outs and some stuttering when playing 3D ISOs from my Synology Rackstation. I was able to watch the first 25 minutes of Avengers just fine, then the stuttering kicked in. Subsequent to that any 3D title stutters and drops the audio. I have the audio set to LPCM. FWIW, 2D mkv plays perfectly. Video chain is Oppo>Denon 4311ci>Lumagen>Projector. Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,

Willie
post #6065 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Willie View Post

I am getting drop outs and some stuttering when playing 3D ISOs from my Synology Rackstation. I was able to watch the first 25 minutes of Avengers just fine, then the stuttering kicked in. Subsequent to that any 3D title stutters and drops the audio. I have the audio set to LPCM. FWIW, 2D mkv plays perfectly. Video chain is Oppo>Denon 4311ci>Lumagen>Projector. Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,

Willie

With any media player, I've seen stuttering on network 3D ISO's due to the high bandwidth requirements and limitations of SMB. The only exception I've experienced is the Mede8er 1000 running their latest beta firmware, AND using NFS optimized for 32k packets (option in their network settings).

Actually, even their latest implementation of SMB performance is so good, it is "almost" stutter free, but small freezes here or there. They will continue to see what improvements they can eke out of it.
post #6066 of 16413
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I haven't paid much attention to 4k but I thought this was for upscaling only by the player, that is does not read 4k content. Would that apply to the HDMI inputs as well?
-Bill

The manual lists no such capability to accept nor pass-thru 4k. It is only an HDMI output option.
post #6067 of 16413
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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

The manual lists no such capability to accept nor pass-thru 4k. It is only an HDMI output option.

Yes, I guess I misunderstood the reviews. Upscaling of 4k, not pass-thru.
post #6068 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

I just ordered the 103 to replace my 83 and bring down the 83 to our vacation home. I read the reivews and I came to the conclusion that the 103 would be at least as good as my 83 with DVDs. I did not check the 103 owner's thread or see your post before ordering.

Since DVD PQ is still important to me I am now wondering if I should cancel my order for the 103 before it ships? I am not into streaming video and have a dedicated 2 Chanel system for music so the 83 serves me well on both DVD and BD with my 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite plasma TV.

I have not had time to check out all the comments and findings here on AVS regarding DVD PQ regarding these two players. Any input would be most appreciated by anyone that have owned both of them with regards to DVD PQ.

Thanks and appreciated.
Bob

I agree that the 83 and old 983 DVD players, which had the ABT chip handled upscaling SD-DVDs better. I did side by side tests on DVDs I had been involved
in mastering, and the ABT based players produced an image that was closer to the original master than the 103, using either HDMI 1 with the QEDO chip, or
the HDMI 2, which bypasses it.

That said, it was not a dramatic difference, And it wasn't that the images on the 103 weren't pleasing. But it was enough that I've kept my older Oppos for all my SD-DVD watching.
(I also have a 60" Kuro)

As far as BR the 83 and 103 are indeed very similar. I haven't had the time to do the same kind of testing, but I think I slightly prefer the BR PQ on the 83. To my
eye (and there are some others here who decidedly don't see the same thing) the HDMI 1 out on the 103 currently has an oddness where the sharpness set at 0 produces
an image that seems the tiniest bit soft, but raising the setting to sharpness +1 produces an image that looks a tiny bit processed. Using HDMI 2 seems to split the
difference, but there are subtle color shifts.

However, unlike the SD-DVD difference, it is so subtle that I fully enjoy watching BR on the 103, and have kept it for that purpose, as well as for the streaming and
other features. But I find that if I'm going to closely watch a favorite film, I find myself putting it in the 83.

Just one opinion, but I hope that helps.
post #6069 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Frenshprince View Post

I'm glad to finally read that.smile.gif

I've always been bothered with 93 and 103 sharpness details.
No matter what, with sharpness at 0 (or source direct), picture was always less sharp than my other bluray players, and masters.

I managed a studio mastering for Bluray and TV, so my eyes are quite hypercritical.
I've made a lot of comparisons A/B/X with other players, and the Oppo 93 and 103 were always the less accurate (for sharpness).

So now there is an explanation.
Thanks for that wink.gif

And in turn, I'm both glad and sorry to read your response. I've spent some energy trying to convince myself
that the softness I thought I was seeing on BR playback in the 93 and 103 was all in my head.

But having a fellow professional with even greater experience in BR mastering see the same things I do
makes me feel less crazy -- but more frustrated with my feeling that Oppo took a small step back in BR PQ
since the 83.

Arrgh. rolleyes.gif
post #6070 of 16413
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

AV Receiver to match BDP-103

I got a BDP-103 since about a month ago. Since then I have been looking for an AV Receiver to match the BDP-103.

So I considered an AV Receiver to be in the same price range as the BDP-103.
A visual match was also important, and due to space constraint, I definitively wanted a slimline receiver. And that is where the problem starts, because there are not that many slimline receivers around.
I considered the Pioneer VSX-S300/500, but I was told by shops in Hong Kong (where I live) that these models were discontinued. They are still available in Europe and North America.
l considered a Cambridge Audio Azur 551R , but dropped the idea due to price.
Then I looked at Marantz NR1403/1603, but visually they don't match the Oppo that well.

By accident, I saw a new entry model from Cambridge Audio, the Azur 351R. And that was a perfect match for the Oppo BDP-103. Or the Oppo a match for the Azur. Whatever.
I bought the Azur and I am now installing it.

Judge for yourself:
.
Higher resolution picture:
Oppo BDP-103 & Azur351R.JPG 1440k .JPG file

Let us know how this works for you.
post #6071 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

I agree that the 83 and old 983 DVD players, which had the ABT chip handled upscaling SD-DVDs better. I did side by side tests on DVDs I had been involved
in mastering, and the ABT based players produced an image that was closer to the original master than the 103, using either HDMI 1 with the QEDO chip, or
the HDMI 2, which bypasses it..

To me it's not just DVDs. Same can be said signal processing from HD cable box via HDMI input. If my 3 years old Denon 3310ci receiver with ABT 2010 chip can produce same results, why are they bragging so much about 103's video processing powers?
post #6072 of 16413
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

To me it's not just DVDs. Same can be said signal processing from HD cable box via HDMI input. If my 3 years old Denon 3310ci receiver with ABT 2010 chip can produce same results, why are they bragging so much about 103's video processing powers?

QDEO was added for the extra sharpening and noise reduction controls that ABT did not have. This was for the lower quality network streams which everyone expected BR players to support.

I would have been happy sticking with ABT as well -- since discs are my life -- but I don't believe they even make the chips any more.

To further complicate things, the Marvell company that makes QDEO was just hit by a giant legal asteroid, so who knows what the future holds?

-Bill
post #6073 of 16413
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I've had both and the DVD image on the -103 looks fine to me. With HDMI1 & 2 you have your choice of QDEO vs Mediatek processing.

That said, I still have an old 983H DVD player and I still appreciate its DVD quality above all.

Calibration of your display is going to matter more than these input choices.

-Bill


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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

I agree that the 83 and old 983 DVD players, which had the ABT chip handled upscaling SD-DVDs better. I did side by side tests on DVDs I had been involved
in mastering, and the ABT based players produced an image that was closer to the original master than the 103, using either HDMI 1 with the QEDO chip, or
the HDMI 2, which bypasses it.

That said, it was not a dramatic difference, And it wasn't that the images on the 103 weren't pleasing. But it was enough that I've kept my older Oppos for all my SD-DVD watching.
(I also have a 60" Kuro)

As far as BR the 83 and 103 are indeed very similar. I haven't had the time to do the same kind of testing, but I think I slightly prefer the BR PQ on the 83. To my
eye (and there are some others here who decidedly don't see the same thing) the HDMI 1 out on the 103 currently has an oddness where the sharpness set at 0 produces
an image that seems the tiniest bit soft, but raising the setting to sharpness +1 produces an image that looks a tiny bit processed. Using HDMI 2 seems to split the
difference, but there are subtle color shifts.

However, unlike the SD-DVD difference, it is so subtle that I fully enjoy watching BR on the 103, and have kept it for that purpose, as well as for the streaming and
other features. But I find that if I'm going to closely watch a favorite film, I find myself putting it in the 83.

Just one opinion, but I hope that helps.

Thank you Bill and Sidetracked for your most helpful replies.

I know that the only way to know how the 103 compares to my 83 on both BD and DVD is to compare them side by side with both DVD and BD material and also try both HDMI 1& 2 once I get the 103.

I sort of hastily ordered the 103 for the purpose of bringing the 83 to our vacation home before I checked here on AVS. If the 83 does turn out to look significantly better to me on DVD, I will keep it in my main Home Theater system and bring my old Panny BD 35 player to the other home. Although I have not had much experience in steaming, I am interested to explore that aspect of the 103 too which the 83 lacks.

BTW, my 60" Kuro has been professionally calibrated by Jeff Meier (UMR) and I know how important that a good calibration can be for the best PQ of a monitor or TV. I will post my impressions once that I've had time to compare both the 83 and 103.

One more question. Is the MHL input on the 103 compatible with Apple iPhones and iPads? It does not appear so from what I have read.

Thanks,

Bob
post #6074 of 16413
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

Most definitely. Via analog or digital out.

I utilize HDMI 2 for audio on my 93 but went analog out for my 103 instal due to using an older yet great sounding Yamaha flagship receiver. No complaints.!

Have you owned any OPPOs previously?
Kjsmitty
No I have never owned a oppo and last night was my first experience and loved the sound of both movie and music and will take any and all setting recomendations you want to throw at me lol
Since you do know my setup correct ? From the Definitive room biggrin.gif
Iam just running 1 hdmi from reciever to oppo thats going into hdmi 1 and using my 1.4 hdmi but not using the hdmi that was provided with the oppo. Are you using the hdmi that came with your oppo ? Im using the 1.4 that came with my 3d Tv. I think I set mine at bitstream setting and im sure theres alot of twaeking to be done lol
Any help would be much appreciated.
post #6075 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Are you using the latest firmware? Check Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information. Your "Main" firmware version number should end 1211.

For the issue with 3D and audio try setting Blank HDMI 2 in the 3D Settings (latest firmware).
--Bob

Just received the 103 yesterday so this is my first post in this thread. But wanted to thank Bob for his reply to someone having audio issues with a Pioneer Elite SC-07. I ran into the same thing but getting the latest firmware and selecting Blank HDMI 2 was the fix for me. Much appreciated.

Looking forward to many years with the Oppo!
post #6076 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

. . . .

One more question. Is the MHL input on the 103 compatible with Apple iPhones and iPads? It does not appear so from what I have read.

Thanks,

Bob

Yes and No. If you use Apple's HDMI video output adapter cable for the iPhone or iPad you can send audio and video from them into the 103/105. This works on both the Front and Rear HDMI Inputs. (I've been testing this using an iPhone 5 and Apple's Lightning to HDMI cable. You can get up to 1080p YCbCr 4:4:4 and up to DD 5.1 audio.)

However, the adapter will not take power from the MHL portion of the Front HDMI Input to charge the iPhone/iPad. (The Apple adapter does have a 2nd port you can use to attach Apple's USB to Lighting charger cable to keep the unit charged while in use this way. Use an external power source -- i.e., not the USB socket on the player.)

The HDMI/MHL input also can NOT be used to access files on the iPhone/iPad as if it were a hard drive.
--Bob
post #6077 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Dick Laurent View Post

Just to update on my audio sync issue, OPPO has again proven their stellar customer service, even via email. They sent quite a bit of detailed info and links to help out. I finally decided to just go ahead and adjust the sync for the OPPO source into my Onkyo. I had to get it all the way up to 165ms to see the best results with my test material, but it seems to be working just fine like that. As long as this is a relatively normal setting to adjust the sync on a single device, then I will call it good. Just seems odd as I've never had to do that before.

I could have sworn that everything I played up until noticing the issue was not out of sync. But I suppose I was paying closer attention to color and black levels than the actual dialogue. I can admit I was wrong in my assumption.

Thanks again for all the help.

Sorry, I meant to post the last response from OPPO. Word of another firmware in the wings. Not sure if this is news or not, but I don't recall seeing it here recently...

"As long as you are finding a global delay works, then this is normal for the player. We will be releasing a firmware in the coming weeks which should further refine the audio and video synchronization issues that some customers are observing, so it may be possible that the next firmware will require that you use less than 165ms worth of delay.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc."
post #6078 of 16413
We recently got an OPPO BDP-103 for our theater and are very happy with it in general. However given that we use it in a professional setting we don't to see any on screen display of controls (OSD.) I've gone into the BDP-103's setup and changed the OSD setting to minimal but there does not seem to be anyway to turn them off completely? When we start a movie for example we get the little arrow in the top corner for a few seconds. Is there any way to disable the OSD completely on this player?
post #6079 of 16413
For those who have come from the BDP-93, I have looked at the differences and have a real question. Was it worth the upgrade (hdmi only, no analog).

I bought a BDP-93 about a month back (last one they had on the shelf new). I didn't realize the BDP-103 was out.

I can still return it basically, and upgrade a few dollars difference in price to the 103. But wanted to see what AVS folks thought.

I have 4k upscaling in my Denon AVR-4520ci.

I noticed they dropped the memory for streaming (1GB to 512MB), and I do a lot of MKV streaming from my NAS, so that feature is important.

So what advice can people give me
post #6080 of 16413
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JamesrSkinner View Post

Is there any way to disable the OSD completely on this player?

No. The player will always put out some amount of OSD information when in use. A completely disabled OSD has been requested many a time, but OPPO has not changed their firmware in any product to completely disable the OSD
post #6081 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes and No. If you use Apple's HDMI video output adapter cable for the iPhone or iPad you can send audio and video from them into the 103/105. This works on both the Front and Rear HDMI Inputs. (I've been testing this using an iPhone 5 and Apple's Lightning to HDMI cable. You can get up to 1080p YCbCr 4:4:4 and up to DD 5.1 audio.)

However, the adapter will not take power from the MHL portion of the Front HDMI Input to charge the iPhone/iPad. (The Apple adapter does have a 2nd port you can use to attach Apple's USB to Lighting charger cable to keep the unit charged while in use this way. Use an external power source -- i.e., not the USB socket on the player.)

The HDMI/MHL input also can NOT be used to access files on the iPhone/iPad as if it were a hard drive.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. Your help is most appreciated. My 103 is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I might have more questions once I get it set up and running. From what I've read here I am not sure that it is going to be better than my 83.

Bob
post #6082 of 16413
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Originally Posted by kamiraa View Post

For those who have come from the BDP-93, I have looked at the differences and have a real question. Was it worth the upgrade (hdmi only, no analog).

I bought a BDP-93 about a month back (last one they had on the shelf new). I didn't realize the BDP-103 was out.

I can still return it basically, and upgrade a few dollars difference in price to the 103. But wanted to see what AVS folks thought.

I have 4k upscaling in my Denon AVR-4520ci.

I noticed they dropped the memory for streaming (1GB to 512MB), and I do a lot of MKV streaming from my NAS, so that feature is important.

So what advice can people give me

From your info above I would say keep your 93. Mainly due to your statement that you stream from your NAS. The 93 "does not" implement Cinavia code/detection thus any/all MKV structures will play. The 103 "does" implement Cinavia. Not a whole lot of movies have Cinavia but if any of your current or future rips do they would not play on the 103 unless its a movie only rip (no chapters or subtitles etc.). And no one knows if that will even work in the future.

If it wasn't for that I would probably say return the 93 and get the 103. The increase in speed and other minor refinements/additions make it a nice upgrade - especially when the are priced the same..
post #6083 of 16413
Am I correct in assuming when Netflix says it's "Super HD" it's 1080p?
post #6084 of 16413
Thread Starter 
You can press the INFO button on the remote. It will tell you the type and resolution in the upper left hand corner of your display. I really do not see why Super HD would be for anything other than 1080p, but I have seen some strange things over the years.
post #6085 of 16413
Last night we watched Blu Ray of Argo. Both the top and bottom are Blacked out .You can not adjust it to full screen. The aspect/Full/Just ect is void from being used. Why??? I have it run thru a 4520 and a Panny VT55.If it is the disc being made that way, again I ask Why?
post #6086 of 16413
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Originally Posted by ss3740 View Post

Last night we watched Blu Ray of Argo. Both the top and bottom are Blacked out .You can not adjust it to full screen. The aspect/Full/Just ect is void from being used. Why??? I have it run thru a 4520 and a Panny VT55.If it is the disc being made that way, again I ask Why?

ARGO is scope aspect ratio: 2.35:1. Why? The director wanted it that way.

Your screen is 1.77:1 (=16.9). When displaying the first on the second you will have black bars. It could not be otherwise.

The ZOOM control on the player might be useful in stretching or trimming the image the eliminate the bars, but it does not work on all Blu-ray titles at this time.

Does your TV have some sort of zoom control?

Else: watch the movie as it was intended.

-Bill
post #6087 of 16413
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Originally Posted by ss3740 View Post

Last night we watched Blu Ray of Argo. Both the top and bottom are Blacked out .You can not adjust it to full screen. The aspect/Full/Just ect is void from being used. Why??? I have it run thru a 4520 and a Panny VT55.If it is the disc being made that way, again I ask Why?
Your TV's aspect ratio is 1.78:1 while Argo is 2.4:1, which is wider.

Basically, the options are to have black bars at the top and bottom which maintains the aspect ratio the director used and doesn't lose any of the picture, zoom the image to fill the screen so that some of the picture on the left and right sides gets chopped off (yuck - you're likely to miss some of the action), or stretch the image to fill the screen which will make everything look tall and skinny (double yuck).

If you're talking about the zoom modes on the Oppo being disabled, that could be happening if Argo is a BD-Java disc. If you're talking about the zoom modes on your TV being disabled, that's a question for the thread for your TV - some TV's disable zoom modes at certain resolutions.
post #6088 of 16413
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

The 93 "does not" implement Cinavia code/detection thus any/all MKV structures will play. The 103 "does" implement Cinavia.
The 103 doesn't detect Cinavia on MKV files at this time. There's no guarantee that it won't change at some point, but for now Cinavia is only detected on optical discs and AVCHD / BDMV folder structures on the 103/105.
post #6089 of 16413
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

ARGO is scope aspect ratio: 2.35:1. Why? The director wanted it that way.

Your screen is 1.77:1 (=16.9). When displaying the first on the second you will have black bars. It could not be otherwise.

The ZOOM control on the player might be useful in stretching or trimming the image the eliminate the bars, but it does not work on all Blu-ray titles at this time.

Does your TV have some sort of zoom control?

Else: watch the movie as it was intended.

-Bill

Thanks Bill and GSR
I just went down and put Argo back in. You are correct. The changeability is in the Panny. The Oppo will not let you, but the TV will. And it looks fantastic, as long as you don't get carried away with the zoom. The Panny has a " Full' setting that is nice.I just can't agree on watching it as intended. That would be like us spending big bucks for a killer engine,and then putting a governor on the race car. If you have a big screen, use it.... Thanks for the info . Tonight is going to be our first 3d movie.....
Edited by ss3740 - 2/27/13 at 6:54am
post #6090 of 16413
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

Oppo is acknowledging there is some NR on at all times with HDMI 1, and that in turn means the signal is at least slightly processed. Whether you like it, or it bothers you is more an 'art' decision than a 'science' one. Their feeling is that it should be so minor you won't notice it on shiny discs, but I'm not sure my eyes agree.

The way I read it, they're saying 'this level of NR looks the way we want it to'. But whether you agree with their taste or prefer the slightly different unprocessed look of HDMI 2, or even the somewhat artificially sharpened look of +1 is personal, not right and wrong.

To my eye, certainly, for example on SD-DVD discs, there is a notable difference between HDMI 1 and 2 with both at 0. It affects both sharpness and contrast. On discs I've helped master, HDMI 2 actually looks closer to the master, while HDMI 1 has slightly more 'pop', but slightly less fine detail. HDMI 1 is a more eye catching picture, but a less 'accurate' one. (And ironically, on SD-DVD, to me both options trail the old ABT chip results on the 83 and 983.)

But it does sound clear that the way oppo has implemented the QEDO chip is intentional and not a bug.

What I find disconcerting about this, is that the Oppo settings have the same level of processing regardless of whether the source is Blu-Ray or DVD. I suppose that the average user would want to define two separate sets of "optimal" settings, one for BD (having say a minimal level of processing) and one for DVD (having say a higher level of sharpening and noise reduction). Indeed you can have two sets of settings -- the '103 actually allows you to store three separate sets of settings. However, whenever you flip from playing a BD to playing a DVD, you have to go back manually into the Setup menu, and select the desired set of settings. This is not what you would expect from a smart device (and it certainly does not have a high WAF): I would expect this to be automatic depending on source type.

=> Can I suggest (request) that Oppo should modify their menu structure so that you have one set of settings loaded automatically when you start to play a BD, and another set of settings loaded automatically when you start to play a DVD?
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