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post #6241 of 16418
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Originally Posted by sergiosantos View Post

Unfortunately, I am getting several issues with the Oppo and my set-box, which freezes when plugged into HDMI IN of Oppo. Probabily some handshake issue. I'll wait that newests versions of firmware could fix it.
I had to do a hard reset on my Dish box before it would work with the 103. You might want to try that if you haven't.
post #6242 of 16418
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Originally Posted by zombie1210 View Post

The Avengers looked absolutely perfect. Sharpness on -0.

With HDMI 1 or HDMI 2?
post #6243 of 16418
So, if the choices for hooking it up are:

A) HDMI 1 with sharpness at +1 (but the image looks processed)

OR

B) HDMI 2 with sharpness at 0 (but the colors are different)


I have to ask, how noticeable are these differences? Does HDMI 1 look so processed that it's like Vivid mode accidentally got turned on on the TV? Does HDMI 2 make blue look like teal, or is it just something that a calibration tool might pick up, but your naked eye would not? Has anyone found any screenshot comparisons of the two outputs playing the same material?

Still eagerly waiting for my unit to arrive. Only 18-23 hours to go. biggrin.gif
post #6244 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

So, if the choices for hooking it up are:

A) HDMI 1 with sharpness at +1 (but the image looks processed)

OR

B) HDMI 2 with sharpness at 0 (but the colors are different)


I have to ask, how noticeable are these differences? Does HDMI 1 look so processed that it's like Vivid mode accidentally got turned on on the TV? Does HDMI 2 make blue look like teal, or is it just something that a calibration tool might pick up, but your naked eye would not? Has anyone found any screenshot comparisons of the two outputs playing the same material?

Still eagerly waiting for my unit to arrive. Only 18-23 hours to go. biggrin.gif

Soon you'll be able to test it yourself and tell us.

-Bill
post #6245 of 16418
Anyone notice a worthwhile improvement in playing SD DVD's vs Rips played down on an Atv or media device?

I recently picked up a SD DVD TV box set.
I burned the first episode to itunes from Handbrake at the highest setting.

First- I played the File on the Atv. It looked fine.
Then I played the disc coming out HDMI 1 of the Oppo. It did not really look any different. Maybe a touch sharper and a tad brighter, but the audio was slightly out of sync.
I then switched the Oppo output to HDMI 2 and the sync was fine.
I realized i had Deep Color set to ON on HDMI 1.
I set Deep Color off on HDMI 1 and now the sync appears to be OK.

(Since no discs contain deep color- Deep Color setting should be off anyway- correct?)


So with the sync issue figured out- I'm still debating the image.
Most of my old SD DVD are ripped to a hard drive.
I assumed with the Oppo I would dig out the original discs when needed and play back from the Oppo for a better quality.
But I'm not sure i need to go through the bother....?
Anyone else feel this way?

Perhaps I would have to view them side by side, but
I also did not notice any image difference between HDMI 1 or 2.
post #6246 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I missed that. I haven't seen a statement of any sort.

-Bill

Sorry, they didn't say it's non-fixable, but they didn't say it was fixable either. They have been "not sure" for at least a month now:
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Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

I found this out from Oppo directly to a support inquiry I made. They are aware of the issue but are not sure when or if they may be able to resolve this in a future firmware release.

It may have been in another thread but one customer was even told the softness (NR) was intentional due to Netflix concerns. Wish I could find that post eek.gif
post #6247 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

So, if the choices for hooking it up are:

A) HDMI 1 with sharpness at +1 (but the image looks processed)

OR

B) HDMI 2 with sharpness at 0 (but the colors are different)


I have to ask, how noticeable are these differences? Does HDMI 1 look so processed that it's like Vivid mode accidentally got turned on on the TV? Does HDMI 2 make blue look like teal, or is it just something that a calibration tool might pick up, but your naked eye would not? Has anyone found any screenshot comparisons of the two outputs playing the same material?

RIGHT HERE:
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Originally Posted by dstr212 View Post

I am so glad someone else realized this is an issue, and actually has testing to back it up. If you see my post below, I think the issue you are describing is what I am seeing as well. I am anxious to see what the response and fix is because I feel at this point a lot of people are glossing over an inherent issue because of the name on the box, but this is my first Oppo so my eyes arent biased. So it sounds like you are using HDMI 2 to fix the issue for now because of noise reduction in HDMI 1 which is also having issues with color as you can see in my pictures below, is towards the blander side.

I wish there was more attention brought to this instead of all of the streaming and burning problems, because while also important the picture is the final product and there is something not right ab,out it that may not be getting attention. It would be nice if this and other threads could be divided among streaming/burned content, and hardware/software issues resulting in end user display problems because while the watching burned or streamed content might be an issue for some, often times it is simply a manufactuurer placed limitation on the system or user IT error that people are trying to work around to fit their needs, where as the display issues are from the manufacturer, that aren't necessarily intended and affect the end experience.
Oppo 103

DMP-BDT320

Oppo 103

DMP-BDT320
post #6248 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

There is no standard for sharpness control range. Sometimes 0 is "off" but sometimes it may introduce softness. Put up a hidef test pattern with fine detail and run the control up and down. I think we set the display above to 0.

-Bill

My pro calibration guy told me that there actually isn't even any such thing as "sharpness" with digital video, that its a throwback to analog TV days. TV makers (and their marketing departments) leave it in there to satisfy consumers.
What the TV might or might not be doing with that adjustment is anyone's guess, and the same can be said of the player's adjustment. By default, any sharpness adjustment in a TV or player should be set to "0" unless there is credible evidence to support the notion that some other setting actually represents "off".
post #6249 of 16418
I found a small problem when playing m2ts files containing subtitles, they are always on, when playing the files. However, they can be switched off, when you set a subtitle track and then turn it off afterwards. Seems to be a small glitch in the program code.
I don't know, if this was already mentioned here. If yes, sorry for cross posting.

BTW for my missing connector problem on the board, I didn't get an answer from Bluraychip.dk up to now. Nothing. I send an e-mail today to Oppo UK asking the question if there was a change in the board layout. Let's see if they answer.
post #6250 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Ganymed4 View Post

I found a small problem when playing m2ts files containing subtitles, they are always on, when playing the files. However, they can be switched off, when you set a subtitle track and then turn it off afterwards. Seems to be a small glitch in the program code.

Strange that has not been fixed. Same thing on the 93 - I know it was brought up yet can't remember the discussion. I just stopped including subtitles on my rips a few years back. Figured if I needed them it was time to bring out that shinie disk thingy... biggrin.gif
post #6251 of 16418
I have a problem with my oppo 103, I'm using hdmi 1 for video, hdmi 2 for audio connect to my yamaha receiver, when watching blu-ray movie, every few minutes the sound always drop out 1 second and go back to normal (no problem with the video part), it happens on most of the movie, I have try to switch few different hdmi cable but no help to solve the problem, I have to unplug the power cord and the problem solve but only for few hours, the problem come back again.
I want to know if anyone have the same problem with me or any software update can solve this problem(now my software is up to date)? Or I am bad luck getting a defective machine?
Should I send it back to fix or wait for their software update? I have been using 93 and 95 before without any problem.
post #6252 of 16418
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Originally Posted by pwong888 View Post

I have a problem with my oppo 103, I'm using hdmi 1 for video, hdmi 2 for audio connect to my yamaha receiver, when watching blu-ray movie, every few minutes the sound always drop out 1 second and go back to normal (no problem with the video part), it happens on most of the movie, I have try to switch few different hdmi cable but no help to solve the problem, I have to unplug the power cord and the problem solve but only for few hours, the problem come back again.
I want to know if anyone have the same problem with me or any software update can solve this problem(now my software is up to date)? Or I am bad luck getting a defective machine?
Should I send it back to fix or wait for their software update? I have been using 93 and 95 before without any problem.

Does switching between LPCM and Bitstream make a difference?

Have you asked about this in the Yamaha forum?

-Bill
post #6253 of 16418
This is for anyone interested in my post #6146, with regards to my Oppo 103 decoding hybrid SACDs sometimes as CDs. I have a fix and thought I should report back here, although according to Oppo I've been the only one afflicted with this dilemna since the latest firmware version was issued. Though I had narrowed things down to one bad actor disc (Brothers In Arms) and would have been content to blame the disc, Oppo went further and issued a new loader version initially made for the 105. The version is 7B0900 for those interested, that I assume may be included in the next 103 firmware version, though that wasn't discussed in our email exchange. I've done lots of testing since the install with no issues to report, so I'm going to say problem solved. Their genuine interest and patience in getting this resolved is truely unique for this industry. I'm 57 and it takes a lot to impress me today, but this does.
post #6254 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I missed that. I haven't seen a statement of any sort.

-Bill
+1?.. Did I miss something?
post #6255 of 16418
How does OPPO compare to a HTPC when playing a blu-ray movie ??

This is using a HDMI cable for bit streaming and using latest video card like GTX 680 (I know GTX 680 is overkill for HTPC but I'm planning on building a HTPC / Gaming PC).
post #6256 of 16418
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

How does OPPO compare to a HTPC when playing a blu-ray movie ??

This is using a HDMI cable for bit streaming and using latest video card like GTX 680 (I know GTX 680 is overkill for HTPC but I'm planning on building a HTPC / Gaming PC).

With network player features that 103 has my HTPC is just PC now with no HT usage.
post #6257 of 16418
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Originally Posted by esh516 View Post

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I missed that. I haven't seen a statement of any sort.

-Bill
+1?.. Did I miss something?

Just another fine effort in the Standing Conclusion Jump. We are still waiting for the judges to post the Style points.
--Bob
post #6258 of 16418
while I do not own an oppo 103. I do own the 93. I tried out the sharpness + 1 and noticed a big difference as well. for both 2d and with 3d movies. thanks for the tip. I highly recommend checking out the 3d with the sharpness +1. i am using a panasonic gt25 HDTV.

Jacob
post #6259 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Tornado Red View Post

This is for anyone interested in my post #6146, with regards to my Oppo 103 decoding hybrid SACDs sometimes as CDs. I have a fix and thought I should report back here, although according to Oppo I've been the only one afflicted with this dilemna since the latest firmware version was issued. Though I had narrowed things down to one bad actor disc (Brothers In Arms) and would have been content to blame the disc, Oppo went further and issued a new loader version initially made for the 105. The version is 7B0900 for those interested, that I assume may be included in the next 103 firmware version, though that wasn't discussed in our email exchange. I've done lots of testing since the install with no issues to report, so I'm going to say problem solved. Their genuine interest and patience in getting this resolved is truely unique for this industry. I'm 57 and it takes a lot to impress me today, but this does.

Thanks for posting that. * Saw bug, sank same. *
--Bob
post #6260 of 16418
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Originally Posted by giedrys View Post

With network player features that 103 has my HTPC is just PC now with no HT usage.

Can the 103 play mkv over the network ?

How does 103 compare to HTPC when playing blu ray movies ?
post #6261 of 16418
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Originally Posted by pwong888 View Post

I have a problem with my oppo 103, I'm using hdmi 1 for video, hdmi 2 for audio connect to my yamaha receiver, when watching blu-ray movie, every few minutes the sound always drop out 1 second and go back to normal (no problem with the video part), it happens on most of the movie, I have try to switch few different hdmi cable but no help to solve the problem, I have to unplug the power cord and the problem solve but only for few hours, the problem come back again.
I want to know if anyone have the same problem with me or any software update can solve this problem(now my software is up to date)? Or I am bad luck getting a defective machine?
Should I send it back to fix or wait for their software update? I have been using 93 and 95 before without any problem.

Is this happening with 3D movies? If so, go into Setup > Video Setup > 3D Setting and set Blank HDMI 2 YES.

This is likely a problem with the Yamaha. If the above setting doesn't fix it, try disconnecting the (unused) HDMI cable between the Yamaha and your display. If THAT fixes it, send an email with what you've found to OPPO Tech Support. They may have some history with your model of Yamaha.

The fact that you can get several hours of GOOD signal is unusual. That may take some more head scratching to figure out.
--Bob
post #6262 of 16418
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

Can the 103 play mkv over the network ?

How does 103 compare to HTPC when playing blu ray movies ?

Yes to MKV. Compares favorably to HTPC. Never liked any of the software BD players that much+ all those video card settings to mess with just to get as close to original unaltered picture as possible.
post #6263 of 16418
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Originally Posted by pwong888 View Post

I have a problem with my oppo 103, I'm using hdmi 1 for video, hdmi 2 for audio connect to my yamaha receiver, when watching blu-ray movie, every few minutes the sound always drop out 1 second and go back to normal (no problem with the video part), it happens on most of the movie, I have try to switch few different hdmi cable but no help to solve the problem, I have to unplug the power cord and the problem solve but only for few hours, the problem come back again.
I want to know if anyone have the same problem with me or any software update can solve this problem(now my software is up to date)? Or I am bad luck getting a defective machine?
Should I send it back to fix or wait for their software update? I have been using 93 and 95 before without any problem.

Don't assume its the HDMI cable from the player to the AVR. Any HDMI cable in the chain can cause this.
post #6264 of 16418
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Sorry, they didn't say it's non-fixable, but they didn't say it was fixable either. They have been "not sure" for at least a month now:
It may have been in another thread but one customer was even told the softness (NR) was intentional due to Netflix concerns. Wish I could find that post eek.gif

I have been dealing with Oppo on another issue but asked about the HDMI1 sharpness issue. Here is what I was told: they are evaluating customer observations, there will not be any adjustments to the default HDMI1 settings on the next firmware release and there are no guarantees they will find anything wrong with the default settings in the future. I believe they have the ability to adjust the noise reduction the QDEO chip provides if they so choose to. It does not sound like they have arrived at any conclusions yet as to whether a change to the default HDMI1 settings is warranted.

I then asked about what I am giving up by watching through HDMI2. They replied that HDMI1 and HDMI2 produce a similar quality image but there are currently chroma sampling issues with HDMI2 which will be fixed on a future firmware release.
post #6265 of 16418
Here, these are the posts I read about Oppo's "stance" just two days ago, and I had just joined the whole 103 discussion so I didn't know any better:
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

That was Oppo's explanation in an email exchange had with them. I asked if it was possible to make the sharpness control more gentle in it's changes.
They responded that sharpness with the chip was either off, low, medium or high - the only options with the chip -
which is why there's such a big jump between 0 and +1.

Going from 0 to +1, you're going from no extra sharpening (and, I feel some softening from NR - which in the same exchange they explained was always on
in the QEDO chip, even set to 0 NR. Although they said it should be so low as to not damage image quality)
, to 'low' on the chip, which still looks
like a lot to some of us. Any extra sharpening beyond those 4 steps, per their email, were by changing other parameters (contrast,
etc.)
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

I'm betting it is the NR that is always on in the QEDO chip which is creating the image softness. Per an earlier post on here Oppo indicated they can control the amount of NR applied via firmware but they chose to leave it on due to Netflix image considerations(?). It would be interesting to see if the QEDO NR setting was tweaked what the image would look like. I'm betting that this may solve the issue and that the sharpness setting is a bit of a red herring. Is it possible that the changing of the sharpness level (even to +1) impacts the QEDO NR processing (or circumvents it altogether) such that there is such a jarring change in image? To me, further proof of the QEDO NR being the culprit is the difference in the image between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. Even Oppo admits that the image on HDMI 2 may appear slightly sharper. There is no QEDO NR being processed through HDMI 2. I really hope Oppo revisits the always on QEDO NR setting as there is clearly something not right with the HDMI 1 image as it currently stands.

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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

I completely agree with your assessment and would urge you to email or call Oppo's customer service department. They are a
very customer friendly company, and the more owners they hear this directly from the more likely they may reconsider their stance
and readjust HDMI 1 so NR isn't always on (or they may solve the softness issue some other way).

As it is, right now I have been using my old 83 more than my 103 for blu-rays, which is a little frustrating...
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I am streaming 24bit @ 48kHz WAV and @96kHz FLAC audio files my laptop to my BDP105. But i have no idea how to tell the Oppo to show me the bit depth and sampling rate to confirm these specs. Neither can i seem to do it on my Anthem D2v processor. Can the Oppo display this kind of info? The usual info buttons on the remote do not work when streaming to the Oppo.

post #6267 of 16418
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Here, these are the posts I read about Oppo's "stance" just two days ago, and I had just joined the whole 103 discussion so I didn't know any better:


Just to be clear - in my various exchanges with with Oppo, they indicated that;

a) having NR always on on HDMI 1 was intentional, but they believed it should not visibly impact BR playback.

b) They were still evaluating complaints about sharpness and may or may not make changes in the future.

c) The way the QEDO chip works they cannot make the jump in sharpness between 0 and +1 smaller. This seemed
to be the only thing they were saying could not be 'fixed' should they ultimately agree with those of us who think the unit
at 0 is a bit soft. That, though, is not to say they couldn't make other adjustments to deal with the problem.

d) I will say that their tone seemed to be 'we don't believe there is a problem, and unless we find one we
will not be changing things' - which did indicate a leaning in their thinking, but not a firm conclusion. That's
why I urge those who are seeing the same effect communicate with Oppo customer service. But I never perceived
the door to be closed or a final decision made.
post #6268 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Sorry, they didn't say it's non-fixable, but they didn't say it was fixable either. They have been "not sure" for at least a month now:
It may have been in another thread but one customer was even told the softness (NR) was intentional due to Netflix concerns. Wish I could find that post eek.gif

I have been dealing with Oppo on another issue but asked about the HDMI1 sharpness issue. Here is what I was told: they are evaluating customer observations, there will not be any adjustments to the default HDMI1 settings on the next firmware release and there are no guarantees they will find anything wrong with the default settings in the future. I believe they have the ability to adjust the noise reduction the QDEO chip provides if they so choose to. It does not sound like they have arrived at any conclusions yet as to whether a change to the default HDMI1 settings is warranted.

I then asked about what I am giving up by watching through HDMI2. They replied that HDMI1 and HDMI2 produce a similar quality image but there are currently chroma sampling issues with HDMI2 which will be fixed on a future firmware release.

 

This is where i feel video reviewers really let us downfrown.gif. They gave so many glowing reviews based off visual tests but failed to put it through the ringer of tests to flesh out any possible bugs, such as this CUE bug. Back in the DVD days, CUE was a common problem and all reviewers seemed to praise or damn a player depending on how it dealt with the CUE bug.

 

Since my processor has has a CUE correction, i hope this will suffice until Oppo corrects it ...

post #6269 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

I have been dealing with Oppo on another issue but asked about the HDMI1 sharpness issue. Here is what I was told: they are evaluating customer observations, there will not be any adjustments to the default HDMI1 settings on the next firmware release and there are no guarantees they will find anything wrong with the default settings in the future. I believe they have the ability to adjust the noise reduction the QDEO chip provides if they so choose to. It does not sound like they have arrived at any conclusions yet as to whether a change to the default HDMI1 settings is warranted.

I then asked about what I am giving up by watching through HDMI2. They replied that HDMI1 and HDMI2 produce a similar quality image but there are currently chroma sampling issues with HDMI2 which will be fixed on a future firmware release.

I'm VERY glad to hear they are acknowledging and addressing the chroma sampling issues with HDMI 2. This is the first I've
heard of their responding to claims there is such a problem.

If they do fix that, then there really is no fault with the unit. Those of us who want as pure an image as possible could use HDMI 2. Those who
like the look of HDMI 1 could use that.
post #6270 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

I have been dealing with Oppo on another issue but asked about the HDMI1 sharpness issue. Here is what I was told: they are evaluating customer observations, there will not be any adjustments to the default HDMI1 settings on the next firmware release and there are no guarantees they will find anything wrong with the default settings in the future. I believe they have the ability to adjust the noise reduction the QDEO chip provides if they so choose to. It does not sound like they have arrived at any conclusions yet as to whether a change to the default HDMI1 settings is warranted.

I then asked about what I am giving up by watching through HDMI2. They replied that HDMI1 and HDMI2 produce a similar quality image but there are currently chroma sampling issues with HDMI2 which will be fixed on a future firmware release.

Thanks for clarifying. It is pretty much what I feared - both sides waiting for each other. It shouldn't be that hard for the engineers with test equipment to figure out if the 103 is altering the signal. Unless they've already done that check, Why rely on the user community to tell them? However I wouldn't expect the default (user) settings to change - those should always default to the middle or neutral value - rather something under the hood needs to be changed, as you said. Maybe that's what tech support was getting at, although being overly optimistic gets us nowhere in these situations.

Good news about HDMI2 though!
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