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post #6511 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Dino520 View Post

I've just purchased the Samsung PN60 E7000 plasma. I've owned a Toshiba HD-DVD XA2 for 5 years and used it to upscale my SD-DVDs to my old Samsung 56" DLP. So I'm wondering with the improvement in PQ with the new E7000 (as compared to the Samsung DLP) would I see much difference in PQ b/w the Toshiba upscaling vs the Oppo 103 upscaling on the new E7000 television? If that's not clear..I mean will I see a significant difference in upscaling b/w Oppo and Toshiba on an HDTV that has so much improved PQ from the old DLP? If the differences are minor..then it wouldn't justify the $500.00 for the Oppo. Thanks in advance!

If DVD upscaling is so important to you, keep the XA2. I had the XA2 and it is by far the best DVD player I have ever seem. The REON chip and its implementation is almost perfect. I also have the Oppo 93 and the 103. The 93 is better than the 103.
Don't buy the Oppo unless you are more interested in using the player as a media server or looking for a little better audio.
post #6512 of 16416
The wifey and I are hooked on Breaking Bad, nearing the end of the second season on Netflix. For the past two nights, when I've tried to connect to Netflix on the 103, it said "Not able to connect" When I switched over to my Panny BDT-220, it connected and was fine. Anyone else having problems with Netflix?
post #6513 of 16416
Thanks for the comments guys. yeah...I was one of those idiots that bought into the HD-DVD tech back then. I actually have the Toshiba HD-A3 because I heard it was even better at upscaling. I couldn't see a difference b/w it and the X-A2 on my Samsung DLP. But you mentioned the Reon chip..wouldn't the Martell Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology on the Oppo be even better at upscaling given that it's a newer technology? One of the reasons I'm even considering the Oppo is that I've read that's it's state of the art reference grade in this price range...???
post #6514 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Dino520 View Post

I've just purchased the Samsung PN60 E7000 plasma. I've owned a Toshiba HD-DVD XA2 for 5 years and used it to upscale my SD-DVDs to my old Samsung 56" DLP. So I'm wondering with the improvement in PQ with the new E7000 (as compared to the Samsung DLP) would I see much difference in PQ b/w the Toshiba upscaling vs the Oppo 103 upscaling on the new E7000 television? If that's not clear..I mean will I see a significant difference in upscaling b/w Oppo and Toshiba on an HDTV that has so much improved PQ from the old DLP? If the differences are minor..then it wouldn't justify the $500.00 for the Oppo. Thanks in advance!

I have a Toshiba HD-A35 and an Oppo BDP-83.

The upscaling from both is similar, but now I only use the HD-A35 for HD-DVD's. As good as it is for DVD upscaling, the 83 is as good, but so much faster that if I want to play some music in the morning, watch a DVD at night, etc. it is just more convenient.

I also take full advantage of the DLNA capability to play music, video, etc. which the HD-A35 can't do. I have over 140 HD-DVD's, and will keep those forever (just finished Grand Prix, it looked excellent). One thing that the DLNA and SMB ability of the 103 would allow you to do is to back up the HD-DVD's to a network drive, since as we've seen, some of the disks are going south.

My take on it was that I have and will continue to thoroughly enjoy both HD-DVD's and my HD-A35, but wanted a bluray player that performs at the same level. I waited until Oppo came out with one because frankly I was spoiled. I continue to be spoiled with both the HD-A35 and the BDP-83 which allowed me to add DLNA, SACD and DVD-A capabilities.

So it you only want upscaling, stay with the XA2, which is an excellent player. If you want what an Oppo bluray can deliver, along with the upscaling not just of DVDs, but also of external input signals, then getting an Oppo 103 is a good move. I consider them complementary, and excellent in their own right. Somewhere within the year, I will get a 103, which will replace the 83 - that will move to the bedroom. The HD-A35 will remain front and center in my main system.
post #6515 of 16416
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

No downloading of apps to the player. As far as native apps on the Oppo, this depends on the app supplier. They determine whether they want to let Oppo have their app and add it to the Oppo. Then Oppo can roll it out in a firmware update. So far, only a few companies have supplied a movie downloading app to Oppo.

The best choice for someone who wants the ability to have more sources would be the Roku stick (available to Oppo owners for $49 directly from Oppo) which provides many different sources and would probably offer Redbox, once available (though there is no guarantee). Some users have had some issues with the Roku stick so check out what has been said about it in this forum by using search.

What about playing files from HDTracks.com. It is my understanding that you need an application to play these files on a PC. Can I play HDTracks with the Roku?
Thanks in advance.
post #6516 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Hi Deaf View Post

The wifey and I are hooked on Breaking Bad, nearing the end of the second season on Netflix. For the past two nights, when I've tried to connect to Netflix on the 103, it said "Not able to connect" When I switched over to my Panny BDT-220, it connected and was fine. Anyone else having problems with Netflix?
I had the same problems and others have too. In addition I had a few other issues and as we speak my 103 is in the back of a UPS truck going back for service.
post #6517 of 16416
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Originally Posted by RicMau View Post


What about playing files from HDTracks.com. It is my understanding that you need an application to play these files on a PC. Can I play HDTracks with the Roku?
Thanks in advance.

The 103 plays FLACs (stereo and multichannel)...up to 24bit 192khz... Won't have any trouble playing those files from HDtracks.. I do it all the time.

post #6518 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Dino520 View Post

Thanks for the comments guys. yeah...I was one of those idiots that bought into the HD-DVD tech back then. I actually have the Toshiba HD-A3 because I heard it was even better at upscaling. I couldn't see a difference b/w it and the X-A2 on my Samsung DLP. But you mentioned the Reon chip..wouldn't the Martell Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology on the Oppo be even better at upscaling given that it's a newer technology? One of the reasons I'm even considering the Oppo is that I've read that's it's state of the art reference grade in this price range...???

The only really outstanding Toshiba DVD upscaler is the XA2, the other models are very good also but only the XA2 has the REON. The chip is important but even more is the implementation. In the case of Toshiba, they nailed it with the XA2. The reason why I sold the Toshy was also because I believed on the Marvell chip being superior. For DVD upscaling, it is not. The 93 is better than the 103 for me, I have both side by side. There are many discussions here about the implementation of the chip on the 103 and a potential firmware update is expected to fix a reported problem with sharpness . If you have no plans for a 4K TV in near future, I can't see a strong case in favor of the 103. Keep the XA2, it's a gem, or buy a used/refurbished 93.
post #6519 of 16416
Great info Slimoli..One of the other things I thought the 103 would be useful for was putting my Comcast cable box through the 103 to take advantage of the "video processing" the 103 ostensibly offers. I read about it somewhere here on the forum...can't find it now. What'd be your opinion on that?
post #6520 of 16416
I'm running my Dish Network box through mine and it looks really good.
post #6521 of 16416
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

The only really outstanding Toshiba DVD upscaler is the XA2, the other models are very good also but only the XA2 has the REON. The chip is important but even more is the implementation. In the case of Toshiba, they nailed it with the XA2. The reason why I sold the Toshy was also because I believed on the Marvell chip being superior. For DVD upscaling, it is not. The 93 is better than the 103 for me, I have both side by side. There are many discussions here about the implementation of the chip on the 103 and a potential firmware update is expected to fix a reported problem with sharpness . If you have no plans for a 4K TV in near future, I can't see a strong case in favor of the 103. Keep the XA2, it's a gem, or buy a used/refurbished 93.

Beyond this, I certainly feel the BPD-83 and the 983H both were significantly better at upscaling SD-DVDs than the 93 or 103.

The ABT chip simply did a better job with upscaling.

I have compared all the model Oppos side by side on my system using DVDs I helped master, and thus know the
image intent.

The result? I've kept the 983s and 83s in my system for the sole purpose of playing my large collection
of SD DVDs (a ton of great films aren't on blu-ray, and may never be).

I don't know the XA2 personally, but I know it has a stellar reputation for the way it implemented the REON chip.
People with eyes I trust say it's the only reasonably priced upscaler that could hold its own with the 983 and
BDP-83. So, at least in that area the 103, and even the 93 are likely to actually be a step back.

I know there are others on this forum who feel the new model Oppos have lost a step in this crucial area (if
having gained in others).
post #6522 of 16416
I'm noticing something really strange with my new Oppo 103 and would like to know if anyone else is having this problem.

Between cuts of "Crosby Stills and Nash" I'm hearing a small "pop" just before the next track begins. I thought it was a bad disc and returned it, replacing it with a FLAC file from HD Tracks. It's still there. It's also there on the free HD Tracks sampler. Song ends, fades to quiet...then a faint "pop" and the next track starts. This does not happen on my other CDs, SACDs or DVD-Audio discs. I'm running 7.1 analogue to a Denon AVR-4306.

Any thoughts?
post #6523 of 16416
Weird, just put it on my 103 and it is clear, no distortion between songs....have the remastered Gastwirt CD...
post #6524 of 16416
I have never tried the HDMI input on the 103 because I also use a Pioneer 1222 receiver with a Marvell chip (not sure if the same as the 103) which provides the video processing for my other devices. The 103 should be good as well but there are reports of some glitches , probably handshaking problems, with some devices. Again, a firmware update will probably address this.
post #6525 of 16416
Question regarding configuring the 5.1 audio processing for the 103's analog outputs: I have my 103 connected to my pioneer receiver via the 103's analog outputs. In my receiver, I have calibrated the levels and distances for each speaker in my 5.1 system on all of the inputs. However, for my 5.1 input that comes from the oppo, I've calibrated (set trim and distance levels) inside the oppo using the "audio processing" setup tab on the 103's setup page because I assumed that my receiver did not apply trim/distance settings to its 5.1 analog input. However, today I just noticed that on my receiver with the 5.1 input active, I still have control over my speaker distance settings but not my channel trims. So in effect, my receiver's distance calibration settings are being applied to the 5.1 analog input in addition to the settings I made in the oppo's audio processing setup screen. My question is should I just use the distances in my receiver for the 5.1 oppo input and put all the oppo's distance processing options to 0? Or should I adjust my receiver's distances to zero on the 5.1 input and only use the oppo's audio processing calibration settings to set channel trims and distances?
Edited by Jottle - 3/12/13 at 3:37pm
post #6526 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

Question regarding configuring the 5.1 audio processing for the 103's analog outputs: I have my 103 connected to my pioneer receiver via the 103's analog outputs. In my receiver, I have calibrated the levels and distances for each speaker in my 5.1 system on all of the inputs. However, for my 5.1 input that comes from the oppo, I've calibrated (set trim and distance levels) inside the oppo using the "audio processing" setup tab on the 103's setup page because I assumed that my receiver did not apply trim/distance settings to its 5.1 analog input. However, today I just noticed that on my receiver with the 5.1 input active, I still have control over my speaker distance settings but not my channel trims. So in effect, my receiver's distance calibration settings are being applied to the 5.1 analog input in addition to the settings I made in the oppo's audio processing setup screen. My question is should I just use the distances in my receiver for the 5.1 oppo input and put all the oppo's distance processing options to 0? Or should I adjust my receiver's distances to zero on the 5.1 input and only use the oppo's audio processing calibration settings to set channel trims and distances?

Speaker distances can only be set in one place: The Oppo or your receiver but NOT both. Setting the distances doesn't necessarily have to be zero...they can be any number as long as its the same. That is you can set the distances to 10ft for L/C/R/RS/LS/Sub in the receiver and have the actual distances in the Oppo.

 

Probably, in your case its best to set it in the Oppo since you can set both the distance and trim levels. You didn't mention whether your receivers analog input section can set its own trim levels. If your receiver can also set its own trim levels, then it truly doesn't matter where you set your distance/trim settings. Oppo or receiver but again NOT both. Choose which instrument has the smallest distance/trim resolution. If one has a distance resolution of 0.5ft and another has it at 0.1ft,  then choose the instrument with this smallest resolution at 0.1ft

 

- David

post #6527 of 16416
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Originally Posted by AB Hancock View Post

I'm noticing something really strange with my new Oppo 103 and would like to know if anyone else is having this problem.

Between cuts of "Crosby Stills and Nash" I'm hearing a small "pop" just before the next track begins. I thought it was a bad disc and returned it, replacing it with a FLAC file from HD Tracks. It's still there. It's also there on the free HD Tracks sampler. Song ends, fades to quiet...then a faint "pop" and the next track starts. This does not happen on my other CDs, SACDs or DVD-Audio discs. I'm running 7.1 analogue to a Denon AVR-4306.

Any thoughts?

I just talked to Oppo and they apparently think my problem is insurmountable, and likely due to a copy protection caused handshake attempt (or something). I've done more testing--when the audio is running through HDMI the "pop" (it's faint but you can here it at reference level) between cuts disappears. When I go through my Blue Jeans analogue cables it's back. Oppo suggested I unplug the HDMI cable when I'm listening to music (!) and I even tried it--pop before next track is still there. I'm using the cable they shipped.

What gives? I've heard nothing but rave reviews about this box and this is really unacceptable. When I listen to an album I don't want to hear some stupid distracting noise between every cut!
post #6528 of 16416
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Originally Posted by AB Hancock View Post

I just talked to Oppo and they apparently think my problem is insurmountable, and likely due to a copy protection caused handshake attempt (or something). I've done more testing--when the audio is running through HDMI the "pop" (it's faint but you can here it at reference level) between cuts disappears. When I go through my Blue Jeans analogue cables it's back. Oppo suggested I unplug the HDMI cable when I'm listening to music (!) and I even tried it--pop before next track is still there. I'm using the cable they shipped.

What gives? I've heard nothing but rave reviews about this box and this is really unacceptable. When I listen to an album I don't want to hear some stupid distracting noise between every cut!

Sorry for another post but I'm now hearing the pop between tracks on everything--DVD-Audio of Hotel California, SD CD of Randy Newman, SACD of Nickel Creek, etc. I guess I hadn't noticed it before (I just got the 103 and otherwise love it).

Any help greatly appreciated.
post #6529 of 16416

^ AB ...is the problem heard on SACD/DVDA and not CD's? Was it audible on your previous player? Also, as a quick test, is the pop audible when the hdmi cable removed?

post #6530 of 16416
That is strange..I have not had any pops or glitches at all with my 103
Just some very very detailed eye popping blue ray playback..all audio from CD or disc has been excellent!
Anthem pre-pro
Parasound halo amps
Oppo bd103
Paradigm studio 60s
Velodyne spl100r
Furman elite power find
Cambridge audio 550 CDP
Cambridge audio DAC magic/upgraded pangea power supply
Audioquest carbon HDMI (3)
Pangea ac-9 power cords
Straightwire crescendo interconnects
Sony 55 LCD
And luckily a understanding wife!
post #6531 of 16416
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Speaker distances can only be set in one place: The Oppo or your receiver but NOT both. Setting the distances doesn't necessarily have to be zero...they can be any number as long as its the same. That is you can set the distances to 10ft for L/C/R/RS/LS/Sub in the receiver and have the actual distances in the Oppo.

Probably, in your case its best to set it in the Oppo since you can set both the distance and trim levels. You didn't mention whether your receivers analog input section can set its own trim levels. If your receiver can also set its own trim levels, then it truly doesn't matter where you set your distance/trim settings. Oppo or receiver but again NOT both. Choose which instrument has the smallest distance/trim resolution. If one has a distance resolution of 0.5ft and another has it at 0.1ft,  then choose the instrument with this smallest resolution at 0.1ft

- David

I can't change level trims when the receiver is switched to the analog inputs. So based on what your'e saying, it seems that my distance settings are global across all inputs on my receiver (including 5.1), but my trims do not apply to the analog input. So it would be best to set my speaker distances in my receiver, then set the trims for the analog input through the oppo while leaving the oppo's speaker distance settings to 0 since my receiver is applying those delays globally no matter what?
post #6532 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Speaker distances can only be set in one place: The Oppo or your receiver but NOT both. Setting the distances doesn't necessarily have to be zero...they can be any number as long as its the same. That is you can set the distances to 10ft for L/C/R/RS/LS/Sub in the receiver and have the actual distances in the Oppo.

Probably, in your case its best to set it in the Oppo since you can set both the distance and trim levels. You didn't mention whether your receivers analog input section can set its own trim levels. If your receiver can also set its own trim levels, then it truly doesn't matter where you set your distance/trim settings. Oppo or receiver but again NOT both. Choose which instrument has the smallest distance/trim resolution. If one has a distance resolution of 0.5ft and another has it at 0.1ft,  then choose the instrument with this smallest resolution at 0.1ft

- David

I can't change level trims when the receiver is switched to the analog inputs. So based on what your'e saying, it seems that my distance settings are global across all inputs on my receiver (including 5.1), but my trims do not apply to the analog input. So it would be best to set my speaker distances in my receiver, then set the trims for the analog input through the oppo while leaving the oppo's speaker distance settings to 0 since my receiver is applying those delays globally no matter what?

 

No, on the contrary. In your case, set all distance/trim settings inside the Oppo and let the receiver have the global distance settings.

post #6533 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

I can't change level trims when the receiver is switched to the analog inputs. So based on what your'e saying, it seems that my distance settings are global across all inputs on my receiver (including 5.1), but my trims do not apply to the analog input. So it would be best to set my speaker distances in my receiver, then set the trims for the analog input through the oppo while leaving the oppo's speaker distance settings to 0 since my receiver is applying those delays globally no matter what?

That would be a very unusual type of receiver. I think the odds are pretty good that you have not truly figured out how it works yet.

The reason I say this is that speaker time alignment (distance adjustment) is USUALLY done via digital audio processing. Which means that for Analog audio input, the receiver would have to re-digitize that input before it could do that (and then convert BACK to Analog for output of course). And if the receiver has the ability to re-digitize Analog input, then application of speaker volume trims as well would typically also be included, since it is the same sort of thing the receiver is already doing for any Digital audio input source.

Anyway, as stated above, for any given listening method you want to insure the various adjustments are not be duplicated. So bass management (crossover processing), time alignment (speaker distance processing), surround sound expansion (processing to take, say, stereo content and raise it to more speakers for output) should each only be done in one place. But they don't all have to be done in the same place. Volume trim is a little different as you can combine the effects of output volume trim in a source device (like the OPPO) with additional volume trim in your receiver, which may make it easier to get the desired result.

To disable processing in the OPPO for the multi-channel Analog outputs -- so that your receiver gets to do all the work -- set, in the OPPO, all speakers Large and the Subwoofer On. Set all speakers to 0dB output volume trim. And set all speakers equidistant -- ANY distance will do so long as they are all the same (might as well just leave them at the OPPO Factory Default values of 12 feet each).

If your receiver really can do the time alignment (speaker distance adjustment) for multi-channel Analog input, then these settings keep the OPPO from also trying to do that. They also disable bass steering (Crossover processing) and send out "reference" volume levels. If you receiver CAN'T do the volume trims, then you can safely do that in the OPPO while still leaving it to the Receiver to do other stuff. You'll also need to discover if your Receiver is able to do Crossover processing on that input. If not then you will need to set some or all speakers Small in the OPPO and pick a Crossover frequency in the OPPO.

It is wise to use an audio calibration disc to check your combo of settings in the two devices.
--Bob
post #6534 of 16416
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Originally Posted by AB Hancock View Post

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Originally Posted by AB Hancock View Post

I just talked to Oppo and they apparently think my problem is insurmountable, and likely due to a copy protection caused handshake attempt (or something). I've done more testing--when the audio is running through HDMI the "pop" (it's faint but you can here it at reference level) between cuts disappears. When I go through my Blue Jeans analogue cables it's back. Oppo suggested I unplug the HDMI cable when I'm listening to music (!) and I even tried it--pop before next track is still there. I'm using the cable they shipped.

What gives? I've heard nothing but rave reviews about this box and this is really unacceptable. When I listen to an album I don't want to hear some stupid distracting noise between every cut!

Sorry for another post but I'm now hearing the pop between tracks on everything--DVD-Audio of Hotel California, SD CD of Randy Newman, SACD of Nickel Creek, etc. I guess I hadn't noticed it before (I just got the 103 and otherwise love it).

Any help greatly appreciated.

If I understand correctly, you are hearing the problem on the Analog outputs only -- not when you try HDMI output.

Start by confirming that DTS Neo:6 Mode is OFF.

Then try this: Set HDMI Audio OFF. Does the pop on Analog go away? If so, re-enable HDMI Audio but be sure to use either LPCM or Bitstream -- not Auto. Also, set SACD Output PCM. These settings simplify what the device at the other end of the cable has to do when a new audio stream starts up. Is the pop on Analog still gone?

As a last check, *TEMPORARILY* disconnect the HDMI output cables from the OPPO (both of them if you are using both). Does the pop on Analog go away? If *NOT* then you know what's going on is not related to HDMI. The most likely scenario is that there is a DC voltage bias or some other form of interference on your Analog outputs which is what's causing the transient as the signal comes out of mute.
--Bob
post #6535 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Hi Deaf View Post

The wifey and I are hooked on Breaking Bad, nearing the end of the second season on Netflix. For the past two nights, when I've tried to connect to Netflix on the 103, it said "Not able to connect" When I switched over to my Panny BDT-220, it connected and was fine. Anyone else having problems with Netflix?

Whenever you have a networking problem, start by going into Setup > Network Setup and doing a Connection Test. If using Wifi networking also check in Connection Info to see what signal strength you have.

Netflix can of course have problems at their end and they can come and go as they tackle them. It may have been you just happened to try to connect at the moment they were having trouble. If you have a persistent failure to connect, then you need to dig into what's going on with your networking.
--Bob
post #6536 of 16416
Okay, thanks.
post #6537 of 16416
I received an OTA update for my Sharp LC70C8470U earlier today and it's fixed the lip sync issues that's been plaguing me since we received the 103 in December! I was so set in stone that the issue was with the Oppo and the split AV setting, since I did not need to use those settings and had no lip sync issues when using the PS3 with the Sharp, but lo and behold it was the tv all along. I demoed several movie scenes that I had experienced lip sync issues with and all are fine now! Never thought it would be the tv but it was and now I'm a happy camper! And I must say I feel like it's all new again! The picture is even more stunning, my HT sounds better than it ever has and everything is in sync in my HT world. Unbelievable!
post #6538 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That would be a very unusual type of receiver. I think the odds are pretty good that you have not truly figured out how it works yet.

The reason I say this is that speaker time alignment (distance adjustment) is USUALLY done via digital audio processing. Which means that for Analog audio input, the receiver would have to re-digitize that input before it could do that (and then convert BACK to Analog for output of course). And if the receiver has the ability to re-digitize Analog input, then application of speaker volume trims as well would typically also be included, since it is the same sort of thing the receiver is already doing for any Digital audio input source.

Anyway, as stated above, for any given listening method you want to insure the various adjustments are not be duplicated. So bass management (crossover processing), time alignment (speaker distance processing), surround sound expansion (processing to take, say, stereo content and raise it to more speakers for output) should each only be done in one place. But they don't all have to be done in the same place. Volume trim is a little different as you can combine the effects of output volume trim in a source device (like the OPPO) with additional volume trim in your receiver, which may make it easier to get the desired result.

To disable processing in the OPPO for the multi-channel Analog outputs -- so that your receiver gets to do all the work -- set, in the OPPO, all speakers Large and the Subwoofer On. Set all speakers to 0dB output volume trim. And set all speakers equidistant -- ANY distance will do so long as they are all the same (might as well just leave them at the OPPO Factory Default values of 12 feet each).

If your receiver really can do the time alignment (speaker distance adjustment) for multi-channel Analog input, then these settings keep the OPPO from also trying to do that. They also disable bass steering (Crossover processing) and send out "reference" volume levels. If you receiver CAN'T do the volume trims, then you can safely do that in the OPPO while still leaving it to the Receiver to do other stuff. You'll also need to discover if your Receiver is able to do Crossover processing on that input. If not then you will need to set some or all speakers Small in the OPPO and pick a Crossover frequency in the OPPO.

It is wise to use an audio calibration disc to check your combo of settings in the two devices.
--Bob

You're right Bob. I was mistaken. The receiver allows me to adjust channel trims and distance on the 5.1 input, but nothing more. So your recommendation is to set these in the receiver and do the above adjustments in the oppo (all speakers large, sub=yes) so that only one source is adjusting the sound on the oppo's analog outputs? If that doesn't work, then many play with the channel trims in the oppo in addition to the receiver (using a mic and pink noise sweep) to ensure that the speakers are all equally calibrated to the same level for all inputs and sources. The only thing that keeps confusing me is that for all my other inputs, I've been using the test tone generated by the receiver to do my calibrating, but for the analog input I was using the pink noise generated by the oppo for the calibration. I suppose it shouldn't matter which tone generator I use if I have the trims set correctly. Also, I don't have a sub. Should I still set the sub to "on" to defeat the surround processing on the oppo?
post #6539 of 16416
Pardon my ignorance...but I'm gonna ask a real dumb newbie question. I'm beginning to see that upscaling and video processing are two different things. But seemingly they both affect the PQ. Can anyone explain in layman's terms how each affects the PQ?

My interest in the Oppo was based on 3 things.
1) improving the PQ of my SD-DVDs..( I'm told my Toshiba X-A2 is probably superior to the 103 in upscaling, but I have no idea at this point if the Oppo would otherwise improve PQ)
2) Potentially improving the quality of my Comcast HD signal (i.e., picture quality) by sending it through the Oppo.
3) Viewing Blu-ray discs

If someone can clarify these issues..I would REALLY appreciate it! Oh...and my new Samsung PN60E7000 arrives Thursday or Friday.
post #6540 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Dino520 View Post

Pardon my ignorance...but I'm gonna ask a real dumb newbie question. I'm beginning to see that upscaling and video processing are two different things. But seemingly they both affect the PQ. Can anyone explain in layman's terms how each affects the PQ?

My interest in the Oppo was based on 3 things.
1) improving the PQ of my SD-DVDs..( I'm told my Toshiba X-A2 is probably superior to the 103 in upscaling, but I have no idea at this point if the Oppo would otherwise improve PQ)
2) Potentially improving the quality of my Comcast HD signal (i.e., picture quality) by sending it through the Oppo.
3) Viewing Blu-ray discs

If someone can clarify these issues..I would REALLY appreciate it! Oh...and my new Samsung PN60E7000 arrives Thursday or Friday.

Not at all a dumb question. Indeed, there are debates and different points of view on these issues on this forum whose members range
from newbies to people with very different forms of knowledge. E.g. I'm a film-maker and know how my films should look, but I have
far less technical knowledge than many others here.

So what follows are my opinions. There are others, and there are no absolutes.

1) In my opinion, the SD-DVD playback on the 103 is very good, but not 'state of the art' as the earlier Oppo models were. That has to do with
using different chips (their old chip maker is no longer in business) and the way the chips are implemented (different players can use the
same chip and achieve different results depending on how the engineers at each company set them up.)

To make things more complex with the 103, there are differences between the HDMI 1 and 2 outlets. When you use the HDMI 1 output, the signal
is going through an extra chip, the QEDO chip, which adds video processing (as opposed to upscaling). It always adds at least some noise
reduction to the image, even when the noise reduction setting is turned to "0" (which has led to complaints from a number of us that the ability
to turn off all processing should always be available.) The NR, or noise reduction can help make rough images look smoother and better, but
it can also cause the loss of some fine detail in shadow areas.

The QEDO chip also seems to add some extra contrast to the image on SD-DVDs, at least to my eyes. It doesn't look bad, but again, it should
be an option, not an automatic.

Things like noise reduction and contrast enhancement are examples of 'processing' which is indeed different from 'upscaling'. 'Processing'
is intentionally altering the image to 'improve' it -- though that can be a controversial and subjective question. Should a disc look as close
as possible to the way it's mastered? Or is it 'OK' to change it to fit your taste? To me it's a grey area affected by how well the original disc
was mastered, and if it was done carefully under the film-makers guidance, or down and dirty by some tech who didn't really care.

'Upscaling' is the chip acting like a computer to 'fill in' the number of lines on the picture, basically using an algorithm so your SD-DVD which
actually only carries 480 lines of information has the spaces between the lines filled in by a chip figuring what would logically be missing
between those lines, and thus outputting 1080 lines of information - the same number as a blu-ray disc.

It will never look quite as good as a well made blu-ray simply because there is only so much information to start with on the SD disc, but a
good upscaler can dramatically close the gap between an SD DVD and a blu-ray of the same film.

Now, on the 103, if you hook up using HDMI 2, you bypass the QEDO chip. That means no unwanted automatic noise reduction, or contrast
enhancement or other 'processing'. But you are still getting the same 'upscaling' whichever output you use - that's a different chip, active on both
outputs.

To my eye (and some others) HDMI 2 is a more natural, better image for SD-DVD discs (i.e. it's closer to the original master), but you won't have the
option to use the processing power of the QEDO chip on HDMI 1 should you want it (for example) on a bad looking, ill mastered disc.

To make it more confusing, it has been observed by some very technically knowledgeable members that, at the moment, HDMI 2 can create some
color distortions. This does not seem to be the case with all users and all set ups. Oppo claims they are looking into it, and may try to correct it in
a future firmware release.

2) I can't really speak to this since I haven't done it myself, but certainly the consensus seems to be that you can indeed improve your
cable signal by putting it through the 103, although some people with some set ups have struggled with glitches that Oppo has promised
to address.

3) This is a very controversial one. The blu-ray image from any good player will be excellent. However, the old bromide that there
is no difference between players seems to be falling by the wayside as tests get more accurate. There has been a raging debate as to
whether the 103 is currently providing the best possible blu-ray image - but it's important to remember you're talking about slight
differences and a lot of picky people (myself included).

Some of us feel that using HDMI 1 is problematic, even with blu-rays. While Oppo says the 'always on' noise reduction should be so
low as to not effect blu-ray playback, there are a number of us who feel that HDMI 1 with sharpness set to "0" produces an ever so slightly
softer picture than it should. The problem has been, upping the sharpness on HDMI 1 just to +1 is a fairly large jump, and can lead to an
image that can look slightly processed or artificially sharp to some of us. Oppo admits there is a decent sized jump between 0 and +1
for sharpness, but claims that is built into the QEDO chip, and can't be made a smaller change.

The other choice is to use HDMI 2 for blu-ray. This seems to eliminate the softness for many (and that makes sense, since it
is no longer going through the 'always on' processing on the QEDo chip, but then you're back to the issue that HDMI 2 may be
mucking with your color a bit at the moment.

Again, especially with blu-rays these are subtle differences to most eyes. You could try all 3 --HDMI 1 at 0 sharpness, and
+1 sharpness and HDMI 2 at 0 sharpness. You may feel there is very little difference, but you may find you prefer one.

Personally, I actually think the blu-ray picture on my old BDP-83 is ever so slightly better than any option on
the 103, but we are talking VERY small differences, and I usually only notice them if I go into an obsessive A/B
comparison mode on discs I know very well.

Now, having blathered through that, far more important than any of this will be getting your new Samsung properly
calibrated. A screen that is not set up right will have a MUCH bigger effect on PQ than any of the issues I've been
raising, so that's really the place to start. Until your set is calibrated to produce as good and 'neutral' a picture
as possible, trying to judge all these other issues is letting the tail wag the dog.

I hope this is helpful, and I hope others will correct any technical matters on which I may have mis-spoken.
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