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post #6901 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

When is the new firmware upgrade coming!

I'm sure we've explained this before.

-Bill
post #6902 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I'm sure we've explained this before.

-Bill

Real soon now...
post #6903 of 16416
So I'm considering taking the plunge on the Oppo BDP-103. I figure I can consolidate two BD and one DVD player into a single player that way. However, in order to do that, I need to choose a region free mod. The unofficial FAQ list five different hardware options for doing this?

•Bluraychip.dk
•IMEGStore
•JVB Digital
•Only Best Rated (Canada)
•oppo Shop Australia

Which one has received the best reviews? The Only Best Rated (Canada) looks to be the easiest to install due to the external option.

Thanks.
post #6904 of 16416
Hey everyone,

I've read here many times that there should be no difference in audio quality when using bitstream or LPCM over HDMI but is this also true for digital coax? I own one of the last of the non-HDMI Pioneer ELITE avrs and find that its processing of the digital coax audio is far better than anything I can come up with manually using the analog 7.1 inputs. In fact, I'm quite happy with the sound I get this way for now.

The reason I ask is that I was playing the dreaded Total Recall 2012 Blu the other night and while I didn't experience the audio drops that have been widely reported, I did notice some minor lipsync issues I've not had with any other disc. I tried switching to PCM (I tried all three options) from bitstream and got something that sounded more like a stereo downmix than anything. A HUGE drop in audio quality to say the least.

I figure that I've gone wrong in the settings somewhere. Or perhaps I've failed to understand something else? My setup options follow the FAQ's pretty closely and my initial tinkering has failed to resolve this.

Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks in advance.
post #6905 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

The Only Best Rated (Canada) looks to be the easiest to install due to the external option.

Thanks.

I bought the Only Best Rated option recently and have found it works pretty well. I have it hooked up externally and if I have any complaints at all it would be that the key strokes on the remote to switch it back and forth ("dimmer ~ dimmer ~ dimmer ~ mute ~ 1 ~ REBOOT" or "dimmer ~ dimmer ~ dimmer ~ mute ~ 2 ~ REBOOT" etc.) don't always do the trick. It takes a few tries for me to get it to work. I've found it's been harder to get it back to Region 1 from Region 2 than the other way around, but that's totally anecdotal.
post #6906 of 16416
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Originally Posted by warrian View Post

Hey everyone,

I've read here many times that there should be no difference in audio quality when using bitstream or LPCM over HDMI but is this also true for digital coax? I own one of the last of the non-HDMI Pioneer ELITE avrs and find that its processing of the digital coax audio is far better than anything I can come up with manually using the analog 7.1 inputs. In fact, I'm quite happy with the sound I get this way for now.

The reason I ask is that I was playing the dreaded Total Recall 2012 Blu the other night and while I didn't experience the audio drops that have been widely reported, I did notice some minor lipsync issues I've not had with any other disc. I tried switching to PCM (I tried all three options) from bitstream and got something that sounded more like a stereo downmix than anything. A HUGE drop in audio quality to say the least.

I figure that I've gone wrong in the settings somewhere. Or perhaps I've failed to understand something else? My setup options follow the FAQ's pretty closely and my initial tinkering has failed to resolve this.

Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks in advance.

I just upgraded my old Pioneer Elite (VSX-45). That baby served me well for over 9 years. I previously had a Samsung 6900 on multichannel, but it sounded terrible in my opinion. I preferred Optical/Coax with MCACC to the multichannel in that instance. Keep in mind that when you are using Optical/Coax you are really just limited to the lossy codecs of DTS and Dolby Digital. By the way, I did prefer Coax to Optical.

With that said, I can tell you that when I had the 93 in my system, the multichannel was far superior to anything I ever played before with my Pioneer. The same can be said for the 95 when I tested it out. I would definitely get the 103 in your situation.
post #6907 of 16416
Thread Starter 
Digital coaxial when set to LPCM will be stereo only, unlike HDMI which will support multiple channels. You would be better off using multi-channel analog and then have the receiver do MCACC on it, then to send LPCM through digital coaxial if HDMI is not available.
post #6908 of 16416
^ Keep in mind that MCACC is automatically disabled on the Pioneer when using multichannel analog.
post #6909 of 16416
Thread Starter 
You should be able to force it by having the receiver do a A/D conversion using a DSP mode like Dolby ProLogic, DTS Neo6 or similar.
post #6910 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You should be able to force it by having the receiver do a A/D conversion using a DSP mode like Dolby ProLogic, DTS Neo6 or similar.

I'm not sure which Pioneer Elite he has, but if it's a pre-HDMI unit like mine, there's no way to activate any of the DSP or post-processing modes. Multi Channel mode will disengage, and switch to a source direct mode where it is seeking an assigned audio input, where the MCACC light will then be reactivated.
post #6911 of 16416
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I'm not sure which Pioneer Elite he has, but if it's a pre-HDMI unit like mine, there's no way to activate any of the DSP or post-processing modes. Multi Channel mode will disengage, and switch to a source direct mode where it is seeking an assigned audio input, where the MCACC light will then be reactivated.

This is precisely the situation. But at least I know I'm not crazy. Thanks for all the input everyone.

I have to say, I'm going to get an extra twinge in my spine every time the "just switch the output LPCM" fix get thrown out with these buggy discs. I really hope it doesn't become too commonplace as I can only afford to buy a new $2000 receiver when the old one breaks down (and sometimes not even then).
post #6912 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

So I'm considering taking the plunge on the Oppo BDP-103. I figure I can consolidate two BD and one DVD player into a single player that way. However, in order to do that, I need to choose a region free mod. The unofficial FAQ list five different hardware options for doing this?

•Bluraychip.dk
•IMEGStore
•JVB Digital
•Only Best Rated (Canada)
•oppo Shop Australia

Which one has received the best reviews? The Only Best Rated (Canada) looks to be the easiest to install due to the external option.

Thanks.

I have the IMEG version (which I believe is the same as the only best rated). my experience is exactly the same as warrian's - it works pretty
well, although occasionally you have to do the button sequence a second time for it to take.

On the other hand, the ease of installation (not having to open the machine) and low cost more than make up for any "re-do"s IMO.

I also have the same mod (from IMEG), but made for the 93. on my 93, and that has always worked well since the 93 came out.

And I did a more expensive (and scary, for me in terms of messing with the player's guts) mod on my 83, and it works just
about the same - i.e. it sometimes takes a second pass through the button sequence to change the BR region.

On all of these, you shouldn't have to do anything to change the SD-DVD region. Once you're set up, your unit should
be region free for SD-DVD from then on.

Hope that helps.
post #6913 of 16416
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Originally Posted by warrian View Post

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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I'm not sure which Pioneer Elite he has, but if it's a pre-HDMI unit like mine, there's no way to activate any of the DSP or post-processing modes. Multi Channel mode will disengage, and switch to a source direct mode where it is seeking an assigned audio input, where the MCACC light will then be reactivated.

This is precisely the situation. But at least I know I'm not crazy. Thanks for all the input everyone.

I have to say, I'm going to get an extra twinge in my spine every time the "just switch the output LPCM" fix get thrown out with these buggy discs. I really hope it doesn't become too commonplace as I can only afford to buy a new $2000 receiver when the old one breaks down (and sometimes not even then).
Just keep in mind that the LPCM advise is for HDMI. wink.gif

I've always thought of the analog outputs as a way to keep pre-HDMI, but good quality, gear in use. It's a shame that it doesn't work in your case.

This is completely out of my depth, but I've skipped a lot of analog discussions in all the OPPO threads about using analog for lossless audio with older equipment. I'm curious to know what Bob Pariseau has to say about your AVR.
post #6914 of 16416
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Just keep in mind that the LPCM advise is for HDMI. wink.gif

I've always thought of the analog outputs as a way to keep pre-HDMI, but good quality, gear in use. It's a shame that it doesn't work in your case.

This is completely out of my depth, but I've skipped a lot of analog discussions in all the OPPO threads about using analog for lossless audio with older equipment. I'm curious to know what Bob Pariseau has to say about your AVR.

For the record, I loved my Pioneer Elite. It was 100% flawless for nearly a decade. If it weren't for the fact that I now have a 9.2 system and wanted Audyssey, I would have kept it for pure 5.1/7.1 playback and just gotten the 105 to use for lossless multichannel analog.
post #6915 of 16416
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post


Real soon now...

Yea on this topic I saw only 2 firmware updates on the 95, before the next model came out.. About the same timing of the year as well (fall and spring)..so I'm thinking thats what we are likely to get in our 103's? I definitely had the impression we'd get more frequent updates, I think that was wishful thinking.

post #6916 of 16416
I've had my 103 since October; had a first, happen today....trying to play an HDCD disc (Kinks-Muswell Hillbillies)....the music is all choppy (almost like vinyl skipping, or audio pixelating); when I turn off HDCD Decoding in the setup menu, all is fine...what gives? I have other HDCD's/SACD's where nothing like this occurs...I'm thinking it may be something inherent when the disc was printed. Any ideas??
post #6917 of 16416
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post


This alleged issue has been blown WAY out of proportion. At this time there are more questions than answers as to whether an issue even exists. Oppo is looking into it, but there's no reason not to use HDMI-2 in any case.

At issue is a specific color scaling/sampling test, which arguably indicates as much about the connected display's color processing as it does about the player's. The error is VERY small and virtually invisible in HD video but does show up in the chroma multi-burst test found on the S&M BD test disc. It's also arguable that the average display has greater errors in scaling and color sampling than this test might indicate in the player.

The industry default for color space is 4:4:4, and if you use that you won't see any issues on the test or otherwise. If you happen to have a display that requires RGB input, the same is true.

Since my Pioneer Kuro dictates that I use Rgb color space from my Blu-ray players (per S&M multi-burst patern) I should be ok using hdmi 2?
post #6918 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View PostI'm sure we've explained this before.-Bill

Yes just getting impatient

post #6919 of 16416
Oppo Team,

I am about to purchase the OPPO 103 and I am wondering if there is anything that I need to watch out for. I am technically challenged so I not want to have to adjust anything once I get my system setup. (which I am having someone else do). I will be using the Pioneer Elite SC-55. Are there any watchouts I should be aware of?

Thanks in advacne for your support and feedback.

Jim
post #6920 of 16416
Thread Starter 
Release date: March 26, 2013
Category: Latest Public Beta Test Release
Main Version: BDP10X-50-0323B
Loader Version: 6U0900 or 7B0800 (BDP-103), 7B0800 (BDP-105)
Sub Version: MCU103-05-0916 (BDP-103), MCU105-04-1113 (BDP-105)

Release Notes:

Special Notice:

1. It is not possible to revert back to any previous official or beta firmware releases once this version is installed on the player. There will be no problem upgrading to any future official or beta firmware releases.
2. Due to the extensive changes in this major firmware update, it is required that the user performs a "Reset Factory Defaults" operation after the firmware is installed. Please write down your special settings before doing this, and remember to re-apply your settings and adjust the proper volume level (if applicable) before you play any content. You may experience stability issues if this step is not performed.
3. The new decoder firmware supplied by our chip vendor tightens the validation check for AVCHD file format. If the files in the BDMV folder do not fully comply with the AVCHD specification, the folder will not play. (For example, if the files are from a disc backup instead of an original AVCHD recording, the player will reject it.)
4. The VUDU application has been updated and some titles now have subtitles. However, turning on subtitles may result in the player exiting to the HOME menu unexpectedly. We are currently working with VUDU to resolve this issue.

Comparing to the previous Official release version BDP10X-38-1220, the major changes included in this version are:

1. Added support for Direct Stream Digital (DSD) file playback from local storage. The DSD files can be either stereo or multi-channel. Both the DFF and the DSF formats are supported.
2. Added support for CUE file playback. The function can be applied to music files on local storage and supported audio formats include FLAC, WAV, APE and MP3.
3. Added a feature that allows the creation of playlists while accessing music files from local USB storage. When navigating these music files, pressing the OPTION button will bring up a menu with a prompt to either "Add to playlist" or "Goto playlist". The created playlist file is stored within the local USB storage, inside "OPPO_Media_Info/playlist".
4. Added support for the AIFF audio format.
5. Added support for the ExFAT file system.
6. Added additional Crossover Frequency selections (50, 70, 130, 140 and 160Hz) in the "Setup Menu"->"Audio Processing"->"Crossover".
7. Added a feature that allows the user to decide which mode (Auto, Film and Video) to use when performing video de-interlacing. This can be set in "Setup Menu"->"Video Setup" -> "HDMI Options"->"De-interlacing Mode".
8. Added DMR Seek capability, so the user can drag the progress bar on the DMC side and adjust the media file playback progress on the player.
9. Removed a limitation in "Audio Processing"->"Speaker Configuration", that turns off the SBL and SBR speakers automatically when the Center speaker is set to "Off". However, if the SL and the SR speakers are set to "Off", the SBL and the SBR speakers will still be muted.
10. Resolved a recently reported FLAC file playback failure issue. Some FLAC files made from the latest version of the EAC (Exact Audio Copy) software tool could not be played on the BDP-103/105 players. This issue has been resolved.
11. Improved the down-mixing algorithm for the BDP-105's headphone output. This results in better volume and sound stage when playing certain multi-channel audio sources.
  • This change takes advantage of the main audio DSP (digital signal processor) that is normally assigned to the multi-channel analog output.
  • When headphones are connected, the multi-channel analog output is muted and the DSP is temporarily reconfigured for stereo down-mixing and its output is routed to the headphone amplifier. Please do not try to adjust the player's audio processing settings while the headphones are plugged in, as these settings are only temporarily used and will be restored to the user's original settings when the headphones are removed.
12. Added a feature that allows the adjustment of the audio delay time within the range of -100ms to +100ms. This can be set under "Setup Menu"->"Audio Processing" -> "A/V Sync", and the delayed time will be applied to all output terminals including HDMI 1 and 2, Coaxial, Optical, and 7.1 outputs (including the Stereo outputs of the BDP-105).[/list]
  • The actual audio delay effect might be different for each of the output terminals due to the different audio process algorithms and signal paths used for each output. Please adjust this setting based on the actual output terminal in use.
  • The negative adjustment values are for cancelling out the audio delay that the player automatically applies.
  • Depending on the video source and the time it takes to process the video, the main decoder chip automatically applies an audio delay in order to optimize audio video synchronization. The negative manual settings reduce the automatic audio delay, while the positive manual settings apply additional delay. Any negative value setting beyond the player's automatic delay will be treated as completely cancelling the automatic delay. For example, if the "A/V Sync" value is manually set to -100ms and for the current video source the player applies a 70ms automatic audio delay, the final result is that the 70ms audio delay gets cancelled and the audio is not delayed at all.
  • It is not possible to put audio ahead of video using this setting.
13. Resolved the brief audio popping issue found on the 7.1 and Stereo audio outputs. This popping noise could happen when the player is processing content from a television cable box (through the HDMI inputs), and when channels are switched on the cable box. This issue has been resolved.
14. Added basic support for a USB keyboard. Some of the supported keys and their functions are:
  • Numerical keyboard: if Num Lock is turned on, functions as Numerical buttons; if Num Lock is turned off, functions as navigation buttons ("2", "4", "6", "8").
  • ARROW buttons (UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT): functions as navigation buttons.
  • HOME button: functions as HOME button.
  • END button: functions as STOP button.
  • Page Up/Down buttons: functions as PAGE UP/DOWN buttons.
  • ESC button: functions as RETURN button.
  • ENTER button: functions as ENTER button.
  • SPACE button: insert a space between characters on the soft keyboard.
15. General disc compatibility improvement based on recent and upcoming Blu-ray releases as well as user-submitted disc samples.
Edited by Neuromancer - 3/26/13 at 7:00pm
post #6921 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hifi59 View Post

Since my Pioneer Kuro dictates that I use Rgb color space from my Blu-ray players (per S&M multi-burst patern) I should be ok using hdmi 2?


Kuro's dictate RGB setting?
Why?
I have always used 4:4:4 with my Kuro.
post #6922 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Special Notice:

3. The new decoder firmware supplied by our chip vendor tightens the validation check for AVCHD file format. If the files in the BDMV folder do not fully comply with the AVCHD specification, the folder will not play. (For example, if the files are from a disc backup instead of an original AVCHD recording, the player will reject it.)

 

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like no more streaming AVCHD folders over the network anymore?

post #6923 of 16416
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Originally Posted by globalnomad View Post


Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like no more streaming AVCHD folders over the network anymore?

Correct. The AVCHD trick for playing Blu-ray backups is now gone, both for local storage and over SMB.

We've been expecting this for years and today is the day.

-Bill
post #6924 of 16416
Thread Starter 
No more streaming of AVCHD over SMB and no more AVCD/BDMV for personal backups. Camcorder and self authored AVCHD without menus is still supported. But your days of playing 1:1 backups which are not on physical discs are over.
post #6925 of 16416

Thanks for the clarification, Bill and Neuromancer.

post #6926 of 16416
I am glad some of the issues are getting resolved for certain folks out there (popping sounds etc.) Happy for you guys.

That being said, I don't see any reason to upgrade my player's firmware after reading down the list. Aside from the occasional lockup while accessing an external hard drive, this unit is doing everything I want it to do. Upgrading the firmware at this time only introduces the possibility for something else to go wrong, and unless you're gaining something, why gamble?
post #6927 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View PostI am glad some of the issues are getting resolved for certain folks out there (popping sounds etc.) Happy for you guys.

That being said, I don't see any reason to upgrade my player's firmware after reading down the list. Aside from the occasional lockup while accessing an external hard drive, this unit is doing everything I want it to do. Upgrading the firmware at this time only introduces the possibility for something else to go wrong, and unless you're gaining something, why gamble?

Yes it is still BETA

post #6928 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Correct. The AVCHD trick for playing Blu-ray backups is now gone, both for local storage and over SMB.

We've been expecting this for years and today is the day.

-Bill

Does this affect mkv remux bluray backups as well?
post #6929 of 16416
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Does this affect mkv remux bluray backups as well?

No, media file containers like MKV are a separate deal and are still OK.

The new restriction (straight from the studios) is to keep you from playing BDMV backups.

I know someone will ask: still no Cinavia detection on MKV or M2TS containers.

-Bill
post #6930 of 16416
^ thanks for the quick response. Is the mkv file support going to go away anytime soon?
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