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post #7171 of 16369
Due to release note 1 for the BDP-103-firmware BDP10X-38-1211 (December 12, 2012)
„the HDMI high bit-rate (HBR) audio loss issue with Anthem MRX 300/500/700 AV Receivers was solved with this firmware. Customers have reported that when sending DTS-HD MA or Dolby True HD signals in Bitstream mode through HDMI 1 OUT to these Anthem receivers, no audio was detected by Anthem and static noise could be heard on the speakers. This issue has been resolved“

Does anyone know if these audio loss issues were also a problem with the BDP-93 when coupled to the Anthem MRX 500?
post #7172 of 16369
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Originally Posted by earnie57 View Post

Does anyone know if these audio loss issues were also a problem with the BDP-93 when coupled to the Anthem MRX 500?
With respect to your good-self, I don't see what the BDP-93 has got to do with the BDP-103. They run different types of Mediatek A/V decoding chip-sets, SDK's and feature-sets...
post #7173 of 16369
Is it me or do blu-rays look super crisp using hdmi2 vs hdmi1? I am using hdmi2 for primarily other reasons until hdmi1 issues get sorted, but I am liking hdmi2. My Pioneer Kuro Elite is well calibrated by Umr and its telling me that hdmi2 is looking better than hdmi1 at this time. Is there any compelling reason to return to hdmi1?
post #7174 of 16369
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Originally Posted by hifi59 View Post

Is it me or do blu-rays look super crisp using hdmi2 vs hdmi1? I am using hdmi2 for primarily other reasons until hdmi1 issues get sorted, but I am liking hdmi2. My Pioneer Kuro Elite is well calibrated by Umr and its telling me that hdmi2 is looking better than hdmi1 at this time. Is there any compelling reason to return to hdmi1?

Nope, From what I have seen it's more accurate and this video processing stuff is a bit overrated.
post #7175 of 16369
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Originally Posted by hifi59 View Post

Is it me or do blu-rays look super crisp using hdmi2 vs hdmi1? I am using hdmi2 for primarily other reasons until hdmi1 issues get sorted, but I am liking hdmi2. My Pioneer Kuro Elite is well calibrated by Umr and its telling me that hdmi2 is looking better than hdmi1 at this time. Is there any compelling reason to return to hdmi1?

There are a number of us who feel this way on this thread. Anything going through HDMI1 gets at least some NR and some other
processing, even with the controls all at 0. HDMI 2 bypasses all that. So if your eyes and taste are sensitive to it there is every possibility
you will appreciate the unprocessed HDMI 2 signal more than HDMI 1.

BTW - I too have a Kuro calibrated by Jeff (aka Umr). So maybe the differences are particularly apparent on that display, and with the
specific tweaking that Jeff does.
post #7176 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

There are a number of us who feel this way on this thread. Anything going through HDMI1 gets at least some NR and some other
processing, even with the controls all at 0. HDMI 2 bypasses all that. So if your eyes and taste are sensitive to it there is every possibility
you will appreciate the unprocessed HDMI 2 signal more than HDMI 1.

BTW - I too have a Kuro calibrated by Jeff (aka Umr). So maybe the differences are particularly apparent on that display, and with the
specific tweaking that Jeff does.

I too have a 141 calibrated by Jeff & am using HDMI 2. I was using HDMI 1 & I would get handshake issues when selecting play from the main menu on several different BD's. Oppo said to use HDMI 2 & I have had no problems since, plus it looks better with less processing.
post #7177 of 16369
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Originally Posted by earnie57 View Post

Due to release note 1 for the BDP-103-firmware BDP10X-38-1211 (December 12, 2012)
„the HDMI high bit-rate (HBR) audio loss issue with Anthem MRX 300/500/700 AV Receivers was solved with this firmware. Customers have reported that when sending DTS-HD MA or Dolby True HD signals in Bitstream mode through HDMI 1 OUT to these Anthem receivers, no audio was detected by Anthem and static noise could be heard on the speakers. This issue has been resolved“

Does anyone know if these audio loss issues were also a problem with the BDP-93 when coupled to the Anthem MRX 500?

nope! only 103/05
post #7178 of 16369
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Originally Posted by hifi59 View Post

Is it me or do blu-rays look super crisp using hdmi2 vs hdmi1? I am using hdmi2 for primarily other reasons until hdmi1 issues get sorted, but I am liking hdmi2. My Pioneer Kuro Elite is well calibrated by Umr and its telling me that hdmi2 is looking better than hdmi1 at this time. Is there any compelling reason to return to hdmi1?

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Originally Posted by WannaKnowTech View Post

Nope, From what I have seen it's more accurate and this video processing stuff is a bit overrated.

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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

There are a number of us who feel this way on this thread. Anything going through HDMI1 gets at least some NR and some other
processing, even with the controls all at 0. HDMI 2 bypasses all that. So if your eyes and taste are sensitive to it there is every possibility
you will appreciate the unprocessed HDMI 2 signal more than HDMI 1.

BTW - I too have a Kuro calibrated by Jeff (aka Umr). So maybe the differences are particularly apparent on that display, and with the
specific tweaking that Jeff does.
I'm in the same boat guys smile.gif
post #7179 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

There are a number of us who feel this way on this thread. Anything going through HDMI1 gets at least some NR and some other
processing, even with the controls all at 0. HDMI 2 bypasses all that. So if your eyes and taste are sensitive to it there is every possibility
you will appreciate the unprocessed HDMI 2 signal more than HDMI 1.

BTW - I too have a Kuro calibrated by Jeff (aka Umr). So maybe the differences are particularly apparent on that display, and with the
specific tweaking that Jeff does.

Is there anyway to turn off the vid-processing on HDMI 1? Is this something that could be fixed with a firmware update?
post #7180 of 16369
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Is there anyway to turn off the vid-processing on HDMI 1? Is this something that could be fixed with a firmware update?

I already asked Oppo. They seem to have no intention of doing so. Their answer was basically, 'if you want processing free
use HDMI 2, we feel HDMI 1 looks great, but you have either option'.
post #7181 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

I already asked Oppo. They seem to have no intention of doing so. Their answer was basically, 'if you want processing free
use HDMI 2, we feel HDMI 1 looks great, but you have either option'.

Perhaps the NR type processing being discussed on HDMI 1 is an inherent feature of the QDEO "Quiet Video" processor. Although the QDEO algorithm may automatically adapt its NR element to the content it can't be bypassed completely if video is passed through the chip.

I may be wrong but that how I've interpreted what Oppo have said to me and it may explain why their options appear limited re HDMI 1 and QDEO processing. I also recall reading something a while back about Marvell dictating specific output settings if a product carried QDEO branding and I guess this may be another consideration.

From the QDEO Tech brief -

"Marvell developed Qdeo video processing in response to this unmet need. Qdeo refers to a suite of QuietVideoTM processing technologies that produce quiet and natural images free from noise and artifacts [1].

Qdeo video processing delivers "The World as YOU See It" through its unique adaptivity. The algorithms in this suite of technology operate on a per-pixel basis. The content is analyzed and the best possible decision is made at every pixel based on what is happening locally and globally. This unique combination of local and global information allows the algorithms to be effective at the broad range of resolutions that might be required – from QCIF all the way to 4K x 2K and beyond.

Qdeo video processing can be classified into three main stages:

1. Noise Reduction

2. Format Conversion

3. Enhancement

The underlying philosophy behind these three stages is that the noise and contamination in the video source needs to be removed before any further processing is done, then the content is converted to the desired resolution and finally various types of enhancements are applied to make the image more pleasing."
post #7182 of 16369
^^^^^

Are the beta testers getting the same result? HDMI 1 connected directly to display, into AVR, HDMI box, or VP?
post #7183 of 16369
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

So much for the vaunted QEDO video processing.

As we have explained in many of these threads, QDEO was brought in to address low quality video sources such as network streams. It's never been promoted for Blu-ray or even DVD use, although you are of course free to use it if you want.

For disc playback everyone was happy with ABT, but QDEO has more sharpening and noise reduction controls for streams. I don't believe the ABT chips are even made any more, so going back is not an option. Marvell itself was recently hit by a giant meteorite, so we don't know what the future will bring.

Unless you have a history with OPPO where they have lied to you and treated you badly, I would suggest a little patience when they say they are still researching. See what they come up with.

If there is residual video processing on HDMI1 where all settings are zero, or when using Source Direct, I agree it would nice to be able to turn that off totally, but that is what you get with HDMI2, so you at least have the option.

-Bill
post #7184 of 16369
^^^^
Setup question, HDMI2 >>display and HDMI1 AVR for audio?
post #7185 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

^^^^
Setup question, HDMI2 >>display and HDMI1 AVR for audio?

It's best I don't try to answer audio questions (or 3D, or 4K, or...)

Usually it's the other way around, because people want the video processing on HDMI1. If you don't want it then you can try it the other way; we'd have to revisit the split A/V and video blanking functions because I don't believe they are symmetrical between the two video outputs.

-Bill
post #7186 of 16369
Sounds like an issue then.
post #7187 of 16369
I just recently bought a BDP-103, so please excuse me if this has been asked before, as I am trying to catch-up with this thread as best I can, but if I use HDMI 2 vs. HDMI 1 does that mean that I am handing all video processing off to the display? I have an older display, a Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1, so I don't think I'd want to do that, right?
post #7188 of 16369
Word Leaks Out of Upcoming HD-DVD Support!

http://lyhdtv.taobao.com/view_page-82014566.htm

I suppose with the recent announcement of DSD media files support, and the increasingly hard line taken by the Blu-ray Disc Association, it was inevitable.
--Bob
post #7189 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

I just recently bought a BDP-103, so please excuse me if this has been asked before, as I am trying to catch-up with this thread as best I can, but if I use HDMI 2 vs. HDMI 1 does that mean that I am handing all video processing off to the display? I have an older display, a Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1, so I don't think I'd want to do that, right?

Not all video processing is performed by QDEO on HDMI 1 i.e.de-coding, de-interlacing, scaling (up to 1080p) is performed by the Mediatek SOC. Using HDMI 2 you lose the QDEO processing i.e. NR, adaptive contrast, sharpening, color boost etc and 4K scaling that is dedicated to HDMI 1.
post #7190 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

I just recently bought a BDP-103, so please excuse me if this has been asked before, as I am trying to catch-up with this thread as best I can, but if I use HDMI 2 vs. HDMI 1 does that mean that I am handing all video processing off to the display? I have an older display, a Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1, so I don't think I'd want to do that, right?

HDMI2 is handled by the Mediatek decoder chip. It has it's own processing but is minimal compared to the Mediatek + QDEO processing available on HDMI1.

Blu-ray requires very little processing anyway, so HDMI1 and 2 are equally good for that source.

It would be far better for you to try your options and see what you like the best. Tiny criteria get blown way out of proportion here, making people think there is a big problem when there isn't.

-Bill
post #7191 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

^^^^
Setup question, HDMI2 >>display and HDMI1 AVR for audio?

Nope. Using Split A/V that will mute the audio on HDMI 1, and using Dual Display you get best efforts results that work for both outputs.
--Bob
post #7192 of 16369
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

I had never had an Oppo before, but within a few hours of setup I noticed HDMI on my VT50 did not look as good as an older Panasonic player. So much for the vaunted QEDO video processing.

, , , ,

What have you done to calibrate your display with the OPPO? The settings you were using with your Panasonic may not be correct. In addition, if you are using a different input on the display, the settings may not have been correctly transferred.

Seriously. If you are noticing something that fast, there is almost certainly something wrong with your setup.
--Bob
post #7193 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Word Leaks Out of Upcoming HD-DVD Support!

http://lyhdtv.taobao.com/view_page-82014566.htm

I suppose with the recent announcement of DSD media files support, and the increasingly hard line taken by the Blu-ray Disc Association, it was inevitable.
--Bob

Herrruumph.
post #7194 of 16369
I have another question for the pros here. I finally got around to getting the BD 103 installed. When I went through the settings, I noticed that there was a setting for speaker trim, (Test Tones) similar to the Audyssey. I would imagine that this should be left alone? I mean by setting speaker trim in the BD 103 would conflict with Audyssey?

One thing I did notice right away that my Denon displayed DTS HD Mast. smile.gif I have never seen this. It always read Multi Channel or PLII. I used a cheap Samsung BD 5500 that came free with my Samsung D8000. I guess it did not unlock DTS? Still sounded good though.

Thanks for anyhelp with the settings.
post #7195 of 16369
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Originally Posted by videoluvr View Post

Herrruumph.

uuumm what does it mean ? i can play my HD-DVD's in the 103 or does it mean just the folder structure is supported ?
post #7196 of 16369
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Originally Posted by Elmar View Post

uuumm what does it mean ? i can play my HD-DVD's in the 103 or does it mean just the folder structure is supported ?
Um, you do know what day this is, right? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I have another question for the pros here. I finally got around to getting the BD 103 installed. When I went through the settings, I noticed that there was a setting for speaker trim, (Test Tones) similar to the Audyssey. I would imagine that this should be left alone? I mean by setting speaker trim in the BD 103 would conflict with Audyssey?
Those trims are only for the analog outputs and have no effect if you're just using HDMI.
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One thing I did notice right away that my Denon displayed DTS HD Mast. smile.gif I have never seen this. It always read Multi Channel or PLII. I used a cheap Samsung BD 5500 that came free with my Samsung D8000. I guess it did not unlock DTS? Still sounded good though.
This means you have the 103 configured to send bitstream audio over HDMI, so your receiver will receive Dolby True HD, DTS HD Master Audio, etc. and decode it to LPCM. Your previous player was probably set to output LPCM, in which case it does the decoding and sends LPCM (the Oppo can also be configured to do this if you prefer). For the lossless audio formats, such as Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio, the decoding process is essentially equivalent to unzipping a file on a PC so it really shouldn't matter where that happens so long as there aren't any bugs in the decoding on the player or AVR.
post #7197 of 16369
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Um, you do know what day this is, right? wink.gif.

oh lol
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Um, you do know what day this is, right? wink.gif
Those trims are only for the analog outputs and have no effect if you're just using HDMI.
This means you have the 103 configured to send bitstream audio over HDMI, so your receiver will receive Dolby True HD, DTS HD Master Audio, etc. and decode it to LPCM. Your previous player was probably set to output LPCM, in which case it does the decoding and sends LPCM (the Oppo can also be configured to do this if you prefer). For the lossless audio formats, such as Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio, the decoding process is essentially equivalent to unzipping a file on a PC so it really shouldn't matter where that happens so long as there aren't any bugs in the decoding on the player or AVR.
Thanks for the reply. Now that you mention this, I do remember someone telling me about the display and the decoding when I first set this up. Which way would you suggest to do the decoding? Thanks
post #7199 of 16369
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Originally Posted by dazzerxxx View Post

Not all video processing is performed by QDEO on HDMI 1 i.e.de-coding, de-interlacing, scaling (up to 1080p) is performed by the Mediatek SOC. Using HDMI 2 you lose the QDEO processing i.e. NR, adaptive contrast, sharpening, color boost etc and 4K scaling that is dedicated to HDMI 1.

dazzerxxx,

Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

HDMI2 is handled by the Mediatek decoder chip. It has it's own processing but is minimal compared to the Mediatek + QDEO processing available on HDMI1.

Blu-ray requires very little processing anyway, so HDMI1 and 2 are equally good for that source.

It would be far better for you to try your options and see what you like the best. Tiny criteria get blown way out of proportion here, making people think there is a big problem when there isn't.

-Bill

Bill, thank you as well. I will try both HDMI 1 and 2 and see which one I like better. I was initially fearful I would be handing over all video processing to the display.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

HDMI2 is handled by the Mediatek decoder chip. It has it's own processing but is minimal compared to the Mediatek + QDEO processing available on HDMI1.

Blu-ray requires very little processing anyway, so HDMI1 and 2 are equally good for that source.

It would be far better for you to try your options and see what you like the best. Tiny criteria get blown way out of proportion here, making people think there is a big problem when there isn't.

-Bill

Respectfully, given your deep knowledge, and the endless time, patience and kindness you show to those of us who post, I agree that
some of us (and I am guilty) may be sensitive to relatively small differences, but to those of us who do see a difference, it can be
more than 'tiny'. The very first time I put a familiar SD-DVD in the 103 using HDMI 1, I knew it didn't look right to me (the QEDO effect is more
dramatic on lower level sources since it 'adapts' automatically to the signal coming through).

But even on blu-ray, there is to me, and I'm not alone, a real difference in sharpness, contrast, naturalness. Within 2 or 3 favorite blu-rays
on HDMI 1 I was saying to myself, 'am I crazy, or is this a less good picture than my older Oppos'? And when I A/B I see a clear difference
with my BDP-83.

It may be that those of us with certain displays see the effect more than others? Or the way with sound equipment, certain people hear
the difference between equipment much more strongly than others? (I've never had those 'golden ears')

In any case, I agree it's a matter of personal taste... to but only a point. But I will say, at least for SD-DVD playback (and a lot of great
films are still only in SD format) you are getting a notably 'processed' and therefore less actuate image on HDMI 1. And theoretically,
what a lot of people are paying for with a better quality player like an Oppo is an image that's as accurate as possible to the original
(assuming the original is done carefully). Otherwise, why bother to have one's display calibrated etc?

In the same way one can criticize a specific DVD or blu-ray for having too much NR or edge enhancement or
other processing done during production, I think it's not over-reacting to point out that the differences
at least CAN be (possibly only on certain set ups) noticeable and that, if accuracy is one's baseline criteria
HDMI 2 could be argued to be 'better' as a starting point, certainly for at least SD-DVD playback.
Edited by Sidetracked - 4/1/13 at 10:22am
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