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post #7261 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I don't think that came from the player.

-Bill

Maybe it did come from the TV....never saw it before. Have a Panosonic GT50
post #7262 of 16416
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

My point is you don't need to yell when you already have someone's attention the current players exist because they listen ! to whom? us. All one merely has to do is report an issue in a calm subjective manner even if frustrated. Don't get me wrong their are some who don't listen and yelling is necessary and possible class action law suits eek.gif but come on man this is "Oppo" and they still look out for us! And with all they have given we owe them ( yes owe them) a little time to pan this out wink.gif

And don't feel alone I own the Japanese version of "Star Wars" ep 1. ( dolby digital) on laserdisc biggrin.gif

Patience my good fellows OPPO will come through, i know!
post #7263 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

0323B Public Beta Firmware -- Frame Drop Stutter When Cable TV is fed into the HDMI Inputs: --> Cause Identified and Workarounds Revealed!

Another Beta Tester appears to have latched onto the handle on this one, and I've been able to confirm the findings.

The problem happens when the Cable TV box is sending 1080i/60 video, and the *AUDIO* format changes from DD 5.1 to DD 2.0 and back to DD 5.1.

Everything is fine until the audio switches BACK to DD 5.1. At that point the video exhibits "Frame Drop Stutter" -- what some have called the "claymation" effect -- and the A/V sync also degrades.

Once in this state, the audio and video problems do not cure themselves.
WHEW!!! Now THAT's progress!!!

I'm sure a fix from Oppo won't be far away.

Surely they must know what they did in this beta firmware which opened the "vulnerability" to this 1080i + audio DD5.1/2.0/5.1 change to result in the video anomaly. Remember that this extreme video artifact only started with the new firmware, although obviously the same audio format changes have ALWAYS been present when feeding cable DVR's through the external HDMI input and we never saw this video anomaly until the new firmware.

Now it seems plausible to me that perhaps this same situation is what's also fundamentally responsible for the long-standing lip-sync problem which has been so hard for them to solve (I suppose), and which also was tied specifically to using the external HDMI inputs... which again pretty much means running your DVR through the 103, hence the same 1080i + DD5.1/2.0/5.1 exposure, same as with the "claymation" issue.
post #7264 of 16416
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Originally Posted by moonbeam13 View Post

Maybe it did come from the TV....never saw it before. Have a Panosonic GT50
I have a GT50 also. I got that message yesterday when I was watching a movie. It's the TV. It said to press the 3D button.
post #7265 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

You are asking the right questions.

First of all, you may not need to do anything special. If you have all speakers in the OPPO's own Speaker Configuration set to Large, then, as you stated, you need +10dB boost applied to the multi-channel Analog Subwoofer output to get it to match the other RCA jacks. But this is the "standard" amount of boost, and most sound processors will apply that by DEFAULT on their multi-channel Analog Subwoofer input -- without regard to what you are setting for output trims.

Second, the way to be sure you have this stuff right is to get an audio calibration disc (I recommend the AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray), and a Sound Pressure Level (SPL) meter -- everyone uses the relatively inexpensive one sold by Radio Shack for this. Check using the LPCM test track from AIX. Then you can stop worrying because you'll KNOW the levels are right.

OK, so consider: You've asked the Lexicon to mix LFE input (the multi-channel Subwoofer Analog input) with bass steered to the Sub from the other speaker channels. Fundamental to mixing like that is that the two parts have to be matched in volume before they are mixed -- since you can't adjust them separately any longer AFTER they are mixed. And that's why sound processors like this apply a DEFAULT amount of +10dB boost to that Analog LFE Input -- so that they can then mix in steered bass and have the two components matched in level for the mixing.

So how to check:

1) Temporarily set the speakers in your Lexicon to Large.
2) Use the AIX LPCM test tracks with your SPL meter to confirm that the Sub volume is matched with the other speakers. You can use the output volume trims in the Lexicon for that.
3) Change you Lexicon speakers back to Small.
4) Check that test track again. if your Crossover is well chosen in the Lexicon it should still be the case that the mains and the Sub are matched in volume -- even with the mixing.
5) Now play the Crossover test from AIX. This sends a tone to the Fronts that sweeps back and forth from very low frequency to above the Crossover region. At the high end of that all the sound will be coming from the Fronts. At the low end, all will be coming from the Sub -- due to the action of the Crossover in the Lexicon for theses "Small" speakers. Play this in a "no surround sound processing" mode in the Lexicon (i.e., so that stereo input on that multi-channel set produces output to just LF/RF/Sub -- no surround sound processing sending sound to Center or the Surrounds). If the levels are right, and the Crossover frequency is well chosen, and the bass response characteristics of your room are clean, then that tone will produce CONSTANT volume throughout the range of frequencies (except for the very lowest frequencies that will be hard to hear).
--Bob

Bob-

Thank you so much for the thorough process. I purchased the AIX blu-ray calibration disc and it arrived just yesterday. I spent some time last night with the disc along with my RS analog SPL meter. You are so right when you say that "knowledge is power".

I found out that my lexicon automatically applies the 10 db boost to the analog SW input. I also found out that the automatic level set-up in my Lexicon set my center channel 2 db less than where I found it should be. My surround channels were approximately 3 db low.

Most important to me was finally understanding why the bass and dynamics when using analog seemed so "anemic" when compared to the digital coax connection; so much so that standard Dolby digital sounded better that Dolby Tru--HD. What I found is that the volume level when using digital is 3-4 db higher than when using the 5.1 analog inputs.

That difference, when corrected by simply turning up the volume when using the analog inputs, totally leveled the playing field. The bass sounded less because the volume was turned down. DUHH!!!

Problem solved. I highly recommend that everybody invest in a calibration disc and see exactly what is going on with their system.

Thanks again Bob!
post #7266 of 16416
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

+1

I hope Oppo doesn't take another 3 months to release a fix. They added deinterlacing settings for whatever reason as I hadn't seen any complaints previously. Now please revert back to how it was and give us our inputs back. By the way tonight I went to play a DVD Audio disc and I had to unplug the unit to get it to play. I bought this player based on Oppo's reputation and at this point I could not recommend it to anyone. Kudos to owners who have no issues but I just want a functional player. This is my 2nd 103 as I had to return the 1st because its HDMI 2 didn't function at all.

You understand that this is beta firmware.

The whole intent with beta software is to test new fixes and find problems. Beta software by definition is buggy and can have serious problems. If you don't want that kind of instability, then you don't install beta software.

I've been involved with several beta programs in operating systems, etc. No one takes beta software and expects a smooth ride. If it happens, great, but there most likely will be issues, because it is test software. Now the reactions of people on here is actually what you want, since you want to spot claymation type problems so that they can be fixed in the actual firmware release. However, treating this as if it is a real release and Oppo is not responding properly is unrealistic when dealing with an optional test firmware release.

Like I said, I would want people to spot issues, both with this beta version and with the overall longer term firmware and harp on it until it gets done, but to make decisions about the firmware based on a transient beta release that you voluntarily installed is short sighted.

I get the issues that people are complaining about. There is some processing going on in the QDEO path that may or may not be addressed. There is some color space issue with HDMI 2 on 4:2:2. I assume that Oppo, as a company that is responsive and responsible to their customers so far will try to do the right thing. If not, their reputation and sales will suffer. So long as it's on their official releases, not on test software that is released to get an idea from willing customers whether they are doing the right things or not.

I have no connection to Oppo outside of owning a BDP-83 that also took its time to get as good as it is now.
post #7267 of 16416
I received my Oppo last week and I'm loving it. The only issue I'm having is it will not play through my Darbee. The picture goes black for a second then comes back, it does this every minute or so...sometimes sooner.
I read through this thread the best I could ( I'm at work right now) but with over 200 posts it's hard to find the answer. I have read that the 103 does work with the Darbee so I'd like to know if anybody has experienced the same problem.
post #7268 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You understand that this is beta firmware.
The whole intent with beta software is to test new fixes and find problems. Beta software by definition is buggy and can have serious problems. If you don't want that kind of instability, then you don't install beta software.
Very well said... And with beta firmwares in mind, we Europeans are now able to get our hands on it BDP10X-50-0323B smile.gif
post #7269 of 16416
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Originally Posted by jd371 View Post

I received my Oppo last week and I'm loving it. The only issue I'm having is it will not play through my Darbee. The picture goes black for a second then comes back, it does this every minute or so...sometimes sooner.
I read through this thread the best I could ( I'm at work right now) but with over 200 posts it's hard to find the answer. I have read that the 103 does work with the Darbee so I'd like to know if anybody has experienced the same problem.

I have to oppo and Darbee. Make sure to turn off deep color.
I find Darbee and oppo when in 3d give blanking issue until deep color was turned off. Also unplug Darbee power for few seconds than put back

Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 2
post #7270 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You understand that this is beta firmware.

The whole intent with beta software is to test new fixes and find problems. Beta software by definition is buggy and can have serious problems. If you don't want that kind of instability, then you don't install beta software.

It's not good form to release beta firmware that cannot be rolled back, even if they are being forced to do that for official releases.
post #7271 of 16416
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You understand that this is beta firmware.

The whole intent with beta software is to test new fixes and find problems. Beta software by definition is buggy and can have serious problems. If you don't want that kind of instability, then you don't install beta software.

It's not good form to release beta firmware that cannot be rolled back, even if they are being forced to do that for official releases.

But they let you know from the start that you won't be able to roll it back as its beta software. Maybe they should have it in big red letters to heighten the danger it could cause to your system if it doesn't work out.

 

Even though we all know beta software is buggy, we somehow 'forget' and assume its production quality software." After all, why would they release it if it was bad?" .... the thinking goes.

 

As techno-philes, when microsoft issues its latest updates to windows, we automatically install them without a thought. When your Android/iPhone device has an update, we  implement it immediately(actually its done in the background i believe) with no thought or possibility of bugginess. Any 21st century CE device we have that is software upgradable will be treated this way... Its the human assumption that newer software brings new features and fun goodies so lets just upgrade ...even though we've been told...it could be buggy and you wont be able to roll it back. Humans ...we are the strangest thing God's ever madesmile.gif!

post #7272 of 16416
Nice one Oppo... I've just done a quick test with beta 0323B installed and I'm able to confirm that I'm now to play .cue (with .WAV and Flac) files and SACD .dff files stored on my NAS via SMB smile.gif
post #7273 of 16416
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Very well said... And with beta firmwares in mind, we Europeans are now able to get our hands on it BDP10X-50-0323B smile.gif

Yippee! Thank you biggrin.gif I am keen to test my DSD-files. Though, I will miss the AVCHD-support rolleyes.gif
post #7274 of 16416
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

But they let you know from the start that you won't be able to roll it back as its beta software. Maybe they should have it in big red letters to heighten the danger it could cause to your system if it doesn't work out.

Beta firmware provides fixes that some people are crying out for, but might break other things because it's not fully tested. If you can't test it and roll back if you find a nasty surprise, they shouldn't be releasing it at all. It defeats the whole purpose of a beta release.

The other examples you gave are not for beta software, and anyway you can uninstall Windows updates if you want to.
post #7275 of 16416
^ Where would be the fun in that?

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--Bob (Live Dangerously) P.
post #7276 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Though, I will miss the AVCHD-support rolleyes.gif

Who told, that AVCHD`s don`t work anymore? biggrin.gif AVCHD`s created by tsMuxeR still do work! Only playing of a AVCHD with copied content from a BD, the Oppo rejects this. I can live with that smile.gif
post #7277 of 16416
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Beta firmware provides fixes that some people are crying out for, but might break other things because it's not fully tested. If you can't test it and roll back if you find a nasty surprise, they shouldn't be releasing it at all. It defeats the whole purpose of a beta release.

The other examples you gave are not for beta software, and anyway you can uninstall Windows updates if you want to.

You're right, in a perfect world, you would be able to roll it back.

In this instance, Oppo has made it clear that you can't; if you are not willing to be a tester, which you are when installing beta firmware, then you have to be patient and wait longer for the features that are in the beta release to cook properly and become available when done.

There's no contract here or anywhere saying that beta software should behave a particular way. It is test software. The ideal would be to roll it back or re-install the previous version, eradicating the beta, but it is clearly stated here that is not the case.

Windows updates are official releases. Not beta software, but fully vetted updates to products. It's Microsoft procedure to allow the rolling back of releases; I don't believe that's the case with Oppo's releases official or beta, is it?
post #7278 of 16416
We're not all beta testers, this is a public beta. Anyhow, this horse is now dead. But wouldn't it be nice if the undocumented way of rolling back this firmware escaped into the wild?
post #7279 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You understand that this is beta firmware.

The whole intent with beta software is to test new fixes and find problems. Beta software by definition is buggy and can have serious problems. If you don't want that kind of instability, then you don't install beta software.

I've been involved with several beta programs in operating systems, etc. No one takes beta software and expects a smooth ride. If it happens, great, but there most likely will be issues, because it is test software. Now the reactions of people on here is actually what you want, since you want to spot claymation type problems so that they can be fixed in the actual firmware release. However, treating this as if it is a real release and Oppo is not responding properly is unrealistic when dealing with an optional test firmware release.

Like I said, I would want people to spot issues, both with this beta version and with the overall longer term firmware and harp on it until it gets done, but to make decisions about the firmware based on a transient beta release that you voluntarily installed is short sighted.

I get the issues that people are complaining about. There is some processing going on in the QDEO path that may or may not be addressed. There is some color space issue with HDMI 2 on 4:2:2. I assume that Oppo, as a company that is responsive and responsible to their customers so far will try to do the right thing. If not, their reputation and sales will suffer. So long as it's on their official releases, not on test software that is released to get an idea from willing customers whether they are doing the right things or not.

I have no connection to Oppo outside of owning a BDP-83 that also took its time to get as good as it is now.

The HDMI 2 handshake issue and the periodic needing to reboot to perform an activity have been happening long before this beta release. Needing to return my first unit also happened before this beta release. I always like trying new betas fully understanding the consequences. I just got burned by the choppy video bug this time. I am still hoping for a quick fix.
post #7280 of 16416
WoW. This is the very first time that both of my OPPO's broadcasted themselves to my Windows 7 network instead of "unknown device"! The new Beta is working for me and my issue. Oppo is listening to us!
Dave
post #7281 of 16416
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Nice one Oppo... I've just done a quick test with beta 0323B installed and I'm able to confirm that I'm now to play .cue (with .WAV and Flac) files and SACD .dff files stored on my NAS via SMB smile.gif

Can you expound on the playback of cue files. Does it allow navigation of the individual tracks (e.g. skip forward and backward), gapless playback, and does it show track titles?
post #7282 of 16416
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Originally Posted by jd371 View Post

I received my Oppo last week and I'm loving it. The only issue I'm having is it will not play through my Darbee. The picture goes black for a second then comes back, it does this every minute or so...sometimes sooner.
I read through this thread the best I could ( I'm at work right now) but with over 200 posts it's hard to find the answer. I have read that the 103 does work with the Darbee so I'd like to know if anybody has experienced the same problem.

I have the same issue, running directly into an Epson Powerlite 5020 projector. I have found the problem caused by the expanded color settings, augmented by the 1080p24 output. To stabilize the player, I set the 32 bit color to off, and the 1080p24 output to off.

I have owned the unit for a week, and cannot tell yet, if I miss those settings with the QDEO processing. For sure, the BDP-103 has a far less desirable picture than my BDP-83.
The 1080p24 output seems not to play nice with the processing of my projector, causing everything to appear jittery.

I agree with many here, the QDEO picture looks way over processed. Displayed on a 115” inch screen, from 12’ away, the picture has a blurry aspect to it. And the notion, QDEO processing somehow improves streaming video in a fallacy. Apple TV fed straight into the projector, absolutely kicks-ass on Roku, fed through the 103.

I have found I can somewhat improve the soft focus by setting the sharpness to +1, and the noise reduction likewise to +1.

I suspect these two settings are at the root of most peoples display issues, and I likewise believe Oppo should work on fixing them.

--Set the 32 bit color to off – it does not work properly
--Set the 1080p24 output to off—it does not work properly.
--Set the sharpness to +1
--Set the noise reduction to +1

See if that helps.
post #7283 of 16416
Thread Starter 
All files in the CUE file are played back as individual tracks that can be skipped forward and reversed, there are no gaps between files, and each track will have its own meta data information (I think, I will have to re-verify this later).
post #7284 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

First of all - and I'm one of the complainers - if it's looking good to you that's the really important thing. Each of us has different
things that bother us or don't (take plasma buzz - it drives some people crazy, others can't even hear it, sometimes on the same
display! No right or wrong, just different).

Also, since there are only some of us who are less than gleeful, we may well be crazy obsessive types (very possible - wouldn't
something like AVS tend to draw people who spend too much time worrying about 3% performance differences?) but different displays
could also play a role (interesting that there seem to be a lot of Kuros among those of us who are whining).

If you want to try and see it in 'real world' action, you're best off starting with an SD-DVD, since that automatically kicks up the NR on the
QEDO to a higher gear. Types of things where you can notice it are; hair or beards in harshly lit medium or closer shots - how much detail
do you see? Or, do the whites of eyes or other details start to disappear in shadowy, dark lighting, in looser shots (those were two
of the first things I noticed). Very contrasty scenes will bring it out more, there's a fall of of detail in shadow areas. Black and white
is good, film noir, even the grain of the film itself...

And even then, it's not screamingly obvious. I noticed it on films I knew really well, and I was specifically looking to
judge how I felt the new player performed. Then I confirmed by plugging in direct from the player to the same input in my Kuro
(taking anything else out of the circuit). I tried the 103 on HDMI 1, then 2, and then my old Oppo 983. Repeated several times
with several scenes. Watching the same scenes from each output produced some subtle but clear characteristics to each image.

Now, what's important is that none of the images were 'bad'. They all were very nice and watchable. But in watching
films I helped master, there were certain details (minor ones) that started to disappear on HDMI 1. Also there was
an artificial jump in contrast. That was eye catching, it even looked 'good' the way an over bright set can do at first
when it catches your eye, it had nice 'pop' but it wasn't the way it was mastered.

Again, if you're happy, you may not want to spend a lot of time on this. Once you see it (if you do) it may drive
you crazy knowing it's there, and you might never have given it a second thought otherwise.

All I'd suggest, as a film-maker, is that if you were watching a film of mine, especially on SD-DVD I'd rather you see it on HDMI 2,
because you're seeing something a touch closer to what I intended. So I would suggest HDMI 2 as a starting place if
you want the more neutral, unaffected image.

But, yes, you are talking subtle and arguably nit-picky things. But to some people they, subjectively, feel bigger.

I'm nowhere near as (over?) sensitive on sound. I hardly hear the difference between
$600 and $10,000 amplifiers. They usually sound very similar to me - maybe a tiny difference. I
have audiophile and musician friends who think I'm nuts (and deaf) for not hearing what they perceive
as tremendous differences. Are they 'right?' Should I feel bad for being happy with my equipment?

Anyway, hope that's helpful.

Having had some time to experiment with HDMI1 and HDMI2 I do not think the HDMI1 softness issue is as big an issue as I once thought it was. While I do not prefer the default setting for HDMI1 (it looks muted as if a thin piece of gauze were sitting on top of the image) I have found that using Sharpness +1 on HDMI1 produces a stunning image for both Blu-rays and DVD's. HDMI2 gives me the option to watch a "neutral" unprocessed image if I want but I have found that I prefer the "pop" and fine detail that is visible under Sharpness +1. One of the reasons I bought an Oppo as a replacement for my PS3 was that I wanted superior picture quality for both Blu-rays and DVD's which is what the Oppo is giving me. People are not happy with the default setting for HDMI1 which I understand, there is something off with the image. Having said that you have HDMI2 if you want a a high quality unprocessed image. If you want to tinker with the image (after all you did in part pay for the video processing capability of the QDEO chip), HDMI1 gives you several options. The longer I have had my Oppo the less I see the HDMI1 vs HDMI2 being an issue, it is really a matter of personal preference, the Oppo gives you the best of both worlds which is all I could ask for. For those of you questioning purchasing an Oppo based on the posts in this forum I would caution you that until you have the opportunity to try the player yourself, in your particular setup, you have no way of truly knowing whether you will appreciate what the Oppo 103 has to offer.
post #7285 of 16416
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Very well said... And with beta firmwares in mind, we Europeans are now able to get our hands on it BDP10X-50-0323B smile.gif

Thank you for the information AND the link.
post #7286 of 16416
Dang this thread moves fast.
post #7287 of 16416
OK downloaded the beta and tested it a bit.

DLNA access has improved substantially in speed. Excellent. It also plays m2ts, I merged from different m2ts files. No problems here. Updating the player was quick and easy. Picture quality has improved on HDMI 1 - I knew it. But this is just my impression - HDMI 1 and sharpness +1. PQ looks really, really good. I have to make the comparison again to my Denon, but they could be even now. I use a SIM2 D80E and have no picture or handshake problems. Except that the D80 is slow anyway regarding the handshake.

THANK YOU OPPO - EXCELLENT JOB! I believed in you guys and you didn't disappoint - at least for what I am doing with the Oppo.
post #7288 of 16416
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Can you expound on the playback of cue files. Does it allow navigation of the individual tracks (e.g. skip forward and backward), gapless playback, and does it show track titles?
Yes it does all those things...

You save your audio CD back-up as say, a continuous .WAV or FLAC stream with .CUE file (Exact Audio Copy can do this). Once this has been done, you navigate to where the '.Cue' file is stored via SMB and press enter.

Depending on how much information has been stored within the .Cue file (which you can edit), you should be able to see the entire track listing, album name, album date and genre on your TV screen wink.gif
post #7289 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

When it comes to the 'art' of A/V equipment there are no right or wrong answers. Those of us who have
concerns, dissapointments, frustrations are quite right within our subjective experience. And complaining has a value in gaining
knowledge of where our own problems are also occuring with others, and seeing if there are fixes we might not know about, or
gathering enough voices to alert Oppo to a possible fix. If some of us don't complain, how will Oppo even consider issues now
or in future models? Or have other owners help us fix those issues? Even if it is only a minority that are troubled,

On the other hand, those who are happy with the machines as they are, are just as right from their POV.

There is room for both in a true, open 'owners thread'.

People have very different needs, wants, tastes, and expectations in owning equipment. What fits one person's set of personal, subjective
criteria, may miss anothers. People watch different materials in different ways, on different displays, through different eyes.
And different units in different set ups may have different results.

Thus, to put down those who are frustrated by what they are currently getting from their Oppo 103 is unfair.
Some of us are experiencing real issues, bugs, and backwards steps. For example, I have yet to hear ANYONE say the
current machines are as good as the ABT Oppos for SD-DVDs. For me, that still makes up a large part of my viewing.
So I hope that Oppo will address that in the future. For others SD-DVD may make up little of their use. We will by nature
have different experiences of the player and both are equally true..

I use my Oppo as a professional tool. I view dailies and cuts of my work on it. The further it is from giving a clean
unprocessed image on SD-DVD as well as blu-ray, the more it introduces its own artificats, the less useful it is for me.

I also watch as a film geek who is really wants the image being as close as possible to original intent.
If you look at a lot of review sites for blu-rays and DVDs you will see that many take the same approach.

I would argue; what is the point of careful 'scientific' calibration of a display except trying to get as 'true'
a picture as posssible. Otherwise we'd just fiddle with the controls until it 'looked good'. By extension I apply the same
criteria to a player or to the media it plays. (So...I'm that looney who just ordered "The Last Emperor" from Japan so I could
have a good blu-ray in the original aspect ratio),

But there is another, perfectly valid POV that says 'screw that, there will always be a million variations" (try watching
a movie you're made in ANY two different movie theaters. EVERYING is different; sound, PQ, brightness, etc)

So by that paradigm what's important is what pleases the user, not an artist's intent that can never fully be realised
anyway. (The whole darbee debate is another great example around the same issue).

Neither is right, both are valid, ineresting and worthy of ongoing discussion and sharing of experiences, ideas and POVs.

Personally I'm not interested in a 'Thread for owners who love their players and don't want to express frustration,
nor have to hear others do so' and a seperate 'Thread for owners who are frustrated, disgruntled or disappointed and
don't care that many others aren't'. smile.gif
+1
post #7290 of 16416
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

Having had some time to experiment with HDMI1 and HDMI2 I do not think the HDMI1 softness issue is as big an issue as I once thought it was. While I do not prefer the default setting for HDMI1 (it looks muted as if a thin piece of gauze were sitting on top of the image) I have found that using Sharpness +1 on HDMI1 produces a stunning image for both Blu-rays and DVD's. HDMI2 gives me the option to watch a "neutral" unprocessed image if I want but I have found that I prefer the "pop" and fine detail that is visible under Sharpness +1. One of the reasons I bought an Oppo as a replacement for my PS3 was that I wanted superior picture quality for both Blu-rays and DVD's which is what the Oppo is giving me. People are not happy with the default setting for HDMI1 which I understand, there is something off with the image. Having said that you have HDMI2 if you want a a high quality unprocessed image. If you want to tinker with the image (after all you did in part pay for the video processing capability of the QDEO chip), HDMI1 gives you several options. The longer I have had my Oppo the less I see the HDMI1 vs HDMI2 being an issue, it is really a matter of personal preference, the Oppo gives you the best of both worlds which is all I could ask for. For those of you questioning purchasing an Oppo based on the posts in this forum I would caution you that until you have the opportunity to try the player yourself, in your particular setup, you have no way of truly knowing whether you will appreciate what the Oppo 103 has to offer.

Thanks for reporting on your experiences and findings. Just personally, I wish more people would do that, it's always valuable to hear
what others are observing, especially if they've taken some time to experiment as you have. It would be interesting to see (for example)
if different displays have different trends in what people respond to.

Just out of curiosity, can you share what your set up is?
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