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Can anybody check if SACD-Rs play normally after firmware update? I have the European 103, and since the latest beta update all my SACD-Rs display the "unknown disk" message. Commercial SACDs play fine..
Edited by billtsag - 4/3/13 at 8:39am
post #7322 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

Thanks for reporting on your experiences and findings. Just personally, I wish more people would do that, it's always valuable to hear
what others are observing, especially if they've taken some time to experiment as you have. It would be interesting to see (for example)
if different displays have different trends in what people respond to.

Just out of curiosity, can you share what your set up is?

My setup is very simple. My display is a 2007 50" Panasonic plasma and I have my Oppo running through a Pioneer VSX-1020 AVR. Nothing as elaborate as what a lot of contributors here have.
post #7323 of 16452
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Originally Posted by billtsag View Post

Can anybody check if SACD-Rs play normally after firmware update? I have the European 103, and since the latest beta update all my SACD-Rs display the "unknown disk" message. Commercial SACDs play fine..
That would be a bug I think. Email OPPO Tech Support with the details and they may know of a workaround.
--Bob
post #7324 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That would be a bug I think. Email OPPO Tech Support with the details and they may know of a workaround.
--Bob

Thanks Bob,
I already emailed OPPO UK, they asked if I performed a full factory reset, which I did (twice). Still waiting for their response.
post #7325 of 16452
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Originally Posted by billtsag View Post

Can anybody check if SACD-Rs play normally after firmware update? I have the European 103, and since the latest beta update all my SACD-Rs display the "unknown disk" message. Commercial SACDs play fine..

Ouch! Unfortunately, I can confirm the "unknown disc" message. I guess the workaround will be to extract the DSD-files from the SACD-Rs.
post #7326 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Ouch! Unfortunately, I can confirm the "unknown disc" message. I guess the workaround will be to extract the DSD-files from the SACD-Rs.
Indeed... I'd be interested to know if the extracted streams can be played via a local storage device or SMB
post #7327 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The first reaction whenever you have connectivity problems like this is that something needs to be fixed in the HDMI cabling. For example, don't use short HDMI cables between any two devices (which includes the Darbee). The sweet spot in length for HDMI cables is about 6 feet (2 meters) between any two devices.

Very interesting. This is the first time I've heard this. I always assumed shorter was better, since there would be less chance of signal loss. I have a few 1-foot HDMI cables from Monoprice, but I'm not currently using any of them. It's good to know that I should avoid them in the future.
post #7328 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

0323B Public Beta Firmware -- Frame Drop Stutter When Cable TV is fed into the HDMI Inputs: --> Cause Identified and Workarounds Revealed!

Another Beta Tester appears to have latched onto the handle on this one, and I've been able to confirm the findings.

The problem happens when the Cable TV box is sending 1080i/60 video, and the *AUDIO* format changes from DD 5.1 to DD 2.0 and back to DD 5.1.

Everything is fine until the audio switches BACK to DD 5.1. At that point the video exhibits "Frame Drop Stutter" -- what some have called the "claymation" effect -- and the A/V sync also degrades.

Once in this state, the audio and video problems do not cure themselves.

Are we sure this is a BETA-only issue? This sounds exactly like what I have been going through using the latest official firmware.

I am not running BETA, and always have an extreme lip-sync problem that accumulates over time with some cable channels (ESPN in particular - audio switching between 5.1 and 2.0 in commercial). My solution has always been to temporarily change the channel away and back. I haven't noticed the stutter or claymation effect.

I'm using COX cable, and cable HDMI direct to my VIZIO has no problem. Running through the Oppo has the symptoms. The Oppo shows 720p@60hz (ESPN) inbound on the front HDMI port, so at least my case, it's not limited to 1080i.

In response to this BETA finding, I changed the output of my COX cable box to 2-channel from Dolby Digital 5.1, but the Oppo info display still shows DD 5.1 coming through (for whatever reason) so the temporary fix doesn't work for me.
post #7329 of 16452

So I tried to contact Cambridge Audio twice in regards to their blu ray player that is supposed to be better sounding than Oppo.  Never got a response, I guess I should be surprised they are B..., customer service is not in their language!!

 

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-752bd-universal-upsampling-blu-ray-dvd-cd-player

 

Maybe James their Top dog Owner & CEO care to answer?  http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/pages/people  

 

Right customer service but not responding to emails?

 

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/pages/support-centre

 
 

I will stay with OPPO they respond to email even on Sundays! Of course with a name like that :)

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
It might not have the glamour of Knightsbridge but Hankey Place is our own little bit of London!

Edited by wse - 4/3/13 at 10:28am
post #7330 of 16452
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So I tried to contact Cambridge Audio twice in regards to their blu ray player that is supposed to be better sounding than Oppo.  Never got a response, I guess I should be surprised they are B..., customer service is not in their language!!
Perhaps you could find a Cambridge Audio thread to discuss the Cambridge Audio player in. rolleyes.gif
post #7331 of 16452

Yes that's right, except some people feel that it is a better player so just wanted to give them a perspective!

post #7332 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Keith AP View Post

Are we sure this is a BETA-only issue? This sounds exactly like what I have been going through using the latest official firmware.

I am not running BETA, and always have an extreme lip-sync problem that accumulates over time with some cable channels (ESPN in particular - audio switching between 5.1 and 2.0 in commercial). My solution has always been to temporarily change the channel away and back. I haven't noticed the stutter or claymation effect.

I'm using COX cable, and cable HDMI direct to my VIZIO has no problem. Running through the Oppo has the symptoms. The Oppo shows 720p@60hz (ESPN) inbound on the front HDMI port, so at least my case, it's not limited to 1080i.

In response to this BETA finding, I changed the output of my COX cable box to 2-channel from Dolby Digital 5.1, but the Oppo info display still shows DD 5.1 coming through (for whatever reason) so the temporary fix doesn't work for me.

The situation with respect to the Official firmware is complicated. There are numerous bug fixes between the Official firmware and the Public Beta. Whether this remaining issue in the Public Beta *ALSO* exists in the Official firmware is not something I know.

However, what I DO know is that if the 103's on-screen Info display in the Official firmware still says that DD 5.1 is coming in on the HDMI Input from your Cox cable box, then you have not properly switched the COX box to LPCM 2.0 output.

One possibility is that you have found the setting either for its Analog output or its Optical/Coax output, but not the setting for its HDMI output.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 4/3/13 at 10:47am
post #7333 of 16452
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes that's right, except some people feel that it is a better player so just wanted to give them a perspective!

...but only 1 reviewer said it was better than the Oppo analog-wise. We'll wait and see as more reviews are given...

post #7334 of 16452
How does DVD on the 103 compare to the HD-XA2?
post #7335 of 16452
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes that's right, except some people feel that it is a better player so just wanted to give them a perspective!

Please don't. Not in this thread.
--Bob
post #7336 of 16452
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes that's right, except some people feel that it is a better player so just wanted to give them a perspective!
This isn't a player comparison thread and the relevant comparison would be to the BDP-105 anyway. This is the BDP-103 thread, so discussing the Cambridge here is pretty much completely off topic.
post #7337 of 16452
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Very interesting. This is the first time I've heard this. I always assumed shorter was better, since there would be less chance of signal loss. I have a few 1-foot HDMI cables from Monoprice, but I'm not currently using any of them. It's good to know that I should avoid them in the future.

Not the right thread for this, so I'll keep it short (ahem). The HDMI chips at each end attempt to correct the expected signal degradation along the length of the cable. To do so, they have to make certain assumptions about what's going on in the cable. Those assumptions are geared towards making LONGER cables work better, and are incorrect for 1 foot cables. The upshot is that short cables can give problems much like cables that are too long. Whether you WILL have problems depends on lots of stuff -- the particular chips at each end, and the nature of the video/audio you are sending over the cable for starts. Shorty "port saver" cables are intended to be daisy-chained with a normal length cable to relieve stress on the port (as from heavy cables).
--Bob
post #7338 of 16452
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

This isn't a player comparison thread and the relevant comparison would be to the BDP-105 anyway. This is the BDP-103 thread, so discussing the Cambridge here is pretty much completely off topic.

Is cambridge a 103 with better analog? Looks like it.
post #7339 of 16452
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Given the issues in the beta, I would guess that a different version will become the official version (hopefully with those issues fixed). But ask again later when that will happen - the future is never clear. The cake will come out of the oven when the toothpick stuck into it comes out clear. biggrin.gif

Don't let them fool you, there is NO cake! smile.gif (Portal 2) Beta forms of firmware/software are like bears...sometimes you eat the beta, and sometimes the beta eats you!

Seriously, I wanted to comment on the way the 103 handles Netflix, and files stored on a hard drive attached to my router. I came from a PS3, and this player is so much better. I can load DVDs, and files, so much faster. I can pause in the middle of a movie on Netflix, and resume with no fuss or problems. We've had the 103 for several months now, and we just love it. I didn't really want to spend this much money on a BluRay player, but it's been well worth it for us. I know YMMV, and this is a forum to help people with problems, but it's also a forum for prospective buyers, and for you latter folks, go for it!
post #7340 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Is cambridge a 103 with better analog? Looks like it.
The BDP-105 is also a 103 with better analog. According to the Widescreen Review review, the Cambridge shares some DNA with the Oppo's, but the boards inside are done by Cambridge and if you take a look at the price, Cambridge clearly intends for their product to compete with the BDP-105, not the BDP-103. But the bottom line is that this is NOT a comparison thread. If the Cambridge has better analog quality than the Oppo players, then that's great for Cambridge and it's something potential buyers should consider before making a purchase. I've got absolutely nothing against Cambridge or their product, but this just isn't the place to discuss it.
post #7341 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Ouch! Unfortunately, I can confirm the "unknown disc" message. I guess the workaround will be to extract the DSD-files from the SACD-Rs.

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Originally Posted by billtsag View Post

Can anybody check if SACD-Rs play normally after firmware update? I have the European 103, and since the latest beta update all my SACD-Rs display the "unknown disk" message. Commercial SACDs play fine..

This is very disconcerting to read. Did they 'accidentally' break the ability to play sacd-r's in this beta firmware, or were they asked by the studios to disable this feature as in the .iso fiasco from months ago? I'm willing to bet it's just a bug, but let's hear from OPPO or one of the beta testers for confirmation.
post #7342 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post


This is very disconcerting to read. Did they 'accidentally' break the ability to play sacd-r's in this beta firmware, or were they asked by the studios to disable this feature as in the .iso fiasco from months ago? I'm willing to bet it's just a bug, but let's hear from OPPO or one of the beta testers for confirmation.

I certainly hope that this is only a bug, since my purchase decision was based on 103's capability to play SACD-Rs. Ripping them to dsd files is not an option for me. In the meanwhile, no news from OPPO UK..
post #7343 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Not the right thread for this, so I'll keep it short (ahem). The HDMI chips at each end attempt to correct the expected signal degradation along the length of the cable. To do so, they have to make certain assumptions about what's going on in the cable. Those assumptions are geared towards making LONGER cables work better, and are incorrect for 1 foot cables. The upshot is that short cables can give problems much like cables that are too long. Whether you WILL have problems depends on lots of stuff -- the particular chips at each end, and the nature of the video/audio you are sending over the cable for starts. Shorty "port saver" cables are intended to be daisy-chained with a normal length cable to relieve stress on the port (as from heavy cables).
--Bob

Interesting. I'm using an 18" Monoprice cable with the Oppo right now, because I always assumed that shortest run possible was optimal (less chance for the signal to degrade, and less wiring mess hanging off the back of your receiver.) Your comments have me wondering if I should switch to a 6' cable and just keep it banded up. I haven't seen or heard any problems from the current cable, but now I'm curious.
post #7344 of 16452
^ If it ain't broke, don't fix it! biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #7345 of 16452
Hello All,
I do not know if I am late to the party but I just downloaded the OPPO app for the IPOD. Was this just released?rolleyes.gif
post #7346 of 16452
^ Not sure on the exact release date, but sometime last fall. I downloaded mine back around December.
post #7347 of 16452
For the BDP-103? Ok, my bad that is why I asked!biggrin.gif
post #7348 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

. . . .

All firmware could be rolled back until Netflix streaming was added. Netflix does not permit rolling firmware versions back. Again, beta firmware always takes a proactive action from the owner to install it, and there are always warnings that it can't be rolled back.

. . . .

The recent history was that Public Beta firmware DID allow roll-back, but only to the most recent "Official" version. There was an unusual change in THIS Public Beta firmware release which prevented that. And of course that's why the prominent warning in the release notes about inability to roll-back.
--Bob
Thanks for the correction.

As an BDP-93 ISO holdout, I haven't been doing beta or official firmware updates for quite a while. eek.gif
post #7349 of 16452
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


The first reaction whenever you have connectivity problems like this is that something needs to be fixed in the HDMI cabling. For example, don't use short HDMI cables between any two devices (which includes the Darbee). The sweet spot in length for HDMI cables is about 6 feet (2 meters) between any two devices. ,,,
I've been curious about the two meter recommendation for some time now. What makes two meters a sweet spot?

EDIT: Bob has already explained the rational for two meter HDMI cables. I've been using a 1.5' cable from the OPPO to the AVR and a 3" cable from the Motorola DVR to the AVR without problems. I've been lucky. wink.gif
Edited by htwaits - 4/3/13 at 2:26pm
post #7350 of 16452
I had heard about this length limit for coax digital connections due to reflections. I had not heard anything about this length recommendation for HDMI.
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