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post #751 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No, it stays on the Netflix Icon, but the Play button STILL closes the tray, loads the disc, and picks up playback of the SACD at the Resume Point.
I presume you have both Auto Play and Auto Resume enabled in Setup, right?
--Bob

Bob,

The one thing I missed earlier from your post is that you opened the tray then hit play to resume playback. I can get my 103 to resume after ejecting the disc as well. The issue is that if the Home Menu is on any icon other than the disc icon playback will not resume after the disc is stopped. I have to change the home menu to the disc icon to get playback to resume after hitting play. I just tried it again with Auto Play enabled and my display on and it is the same. I also tried it with the Home Menu on different icons and it is the same. I feel that if the Home Menu is on say the setup icon and you push play with a disc in the player the icon should automatically change to the disc icon. I will contact Oppo today about this issue.

Bill

That's a different thing altogether, and has nothing to do with whether playback starts at the Resume Point or not.

The Play command is not implemented for the Home Menu icons other than Disc *UNLESS* the Tray happens to be Open. That's by design, and is true for all disc types, not just SACD.
--Bob
post #752 of 9093
Can someone please chime in already and state for the record whether or not sacd-r's (burned) are working alright on the 103? DVD-A'r as well please!
post #753 of 9093
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ There have been reports this can happen with DVD 24p Conversion ON. As you discovered, doing Pause/Play again is the cure. It is evidently frame drop stutter due to 24p Conversion getting confused by your navigation commands. It does not seem to be easy to reproduce.
If you have found a repeatable case, please email OPPO Tech Support with the disc and time code information, and the exact set of steps which you've found generates the problem.
--Bob

Happens constantly with Californication Season 1 Disc 1 almost every single time I rewind, fw. I'm assuming the best idea is to turn off 24p for it. Since it was originally showtime it is probably 60 frames anyway.

BTW the speed performance alone is well worth the upgrade which ended up being $100 after selling my previous 93. It feels like DVD speeds now when playing blu-ray titles.

I'm pretty sure Californication is a TV show that is produced at /24 -- i.e, it is produced as if it was a movie. A number of newer TV series are being produced this way. If it were really video rate content you would *NEVER* be able to get smooth motion from DVD 24p Conversion.

Anyway, the workaround as you suggest is to turn DVD 24p Conversion OFF, or to simply do the Pause/Play trick to get things going properly again if there's a problem after you move around in the feature.

Please do send OPPO Tech Support an email with the details on the disc and what you are doing to reliably reproduce this.
--Bob
post #754 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

Can someone please chime in already and state for the record whether or not sacd-r's (burned) are working alright on the 103? DVD-A'r as well please!

SACD-R seems to be the format that dare not speak it's name.

PM me and I'll give you my surface address. Send me the discs you want tested and I'll report the results here. I promise to return them expeditiously.

-Bill
post #755 of 9093
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. . . .
Bob writes reviews but is too shy to post them.

-Bill

Unaccustomed as I am to public speaking.....
--Bob (see "Scathing") P.
post #756 of 9093
I received my 103 Friday. I am very happy with it! The wife is happy too. She could notice the difference. It replaced a Panny110, which replaced a Pio -051. I am now seeing a picture I haven't seen since the 051 died. Better DVD upconversion, better Bluray playback. Better (and faster) Netflix streaming and the frustrating Panny Black Flash is gone! I also noticed that it will connect up with my Pio-151 display with 36bit, which the Panny was not able to do across the 35' HDMI cable(the 051 could).
The one thing I was a little disappointed in (just a little) is the remote. I was expecting something more substantial, like the aluminum Pioneer display remotes. This one reminded me more of a Panasonic remote. It is very straight forward and easy to use though. It has very good back lighting too.
Edited by tjf1 - 10/15/12 at 12:24pm
post #757 of 9093
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That's because its not doing a true reverse telecine process. What the Panasonic is doing is simply dropping frames without regard to whether its the right frame to drop. Oppo does a reverse telecine process.

Are you saying that Panasonic blu ray picture inaccurate?
None of this has anything to do with BD playback, this is about film-based DVD content.
I'm saying simply that the Panny players are known to arbitrarily drop frames without regard to cadence. It's a "fake 24p" process that does not take into account which frames were added in the telecine process. In order to correctly preform a reverse telecine process, the cadence has to be correctly interpreted and the extra frame removed. When the cadence is interrupted (common on poorly mastered film content) the processor has to re-interpret the cadence again. Same thing happens if you perform pause, FF/RW, skip, etc., the processor can get confused.

TV shows on DVD are frequently edited and mastered for 60i, so even if they are film-based content the cadence is re-started at each edit. This makes for some pretty complicated processing in the player. So it depends on whether editing/mastering is done before or after telecine. There's really no limit to the number of ways the cadence can get messed up in mastering or editing.

The result of confused processing for DVD 24p can be seen as a simple de-interlacing error or motion judder or some combination of the two. The actual value of 24p processing for SD-DVD is pretty small, so one might wonder if it's really worth messing with. That said, its a popular feature that customers seem to want.
post #758 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That's a different thing altogether, and has nothing to do with whether playback starts at the Resume Point or not.
The Play command is not implemented for the Home Menu icons other than Disc *UNLESS* the Tray happens to be Open. That's by design, and is true for all disc types, not just SACD.
--Bob

Bob,

I understand what you are saying. But in my opinion the 103 is a disc player first and basic disc functions should take priority regardless of what icon the Home Menu is displaying. With a disc playing and the Home Menu not on the disc icon I can stop playback. So why not allow the player to resume playback as well? I guess it is not a big issue and one I'll have to get used to. I emailed Oppo about this and also asked if the older way of hitting stop twice to cancel the Auto Resume feature could be added. Thanks again for your thoughts smile.gif.

Bill
post #759 of 9093
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

My memory is a little suspect as it relates to the 83 so I can't make an accurate assessment comparing it to the 103 since I no longer own the 83. However, I definitely preferred the 83 over the 93 and I haven’t spent any time watching DVDs on the 103 as of yet.
Can any of the present owners download these FLAC files from Media Fire and see if you can play them? Presently my 103 will not playe these.
http://www.mediafire.com/?h9l391xnvcx8et4,6etw46a97hwoesi
I can confirm that your FLACs fail to play on 103, but play with no problem on 93. However, when I open your file using FLAC Frontend v1.7.1 and select the "Test", it stops with error message "Path/File access error". So maybe these files are not authorized correctly?
post #760 of 9093
Anyone use Youtube much on the Oppo 103?

I looked up a singer named Alizee. If I want, I can play them back no problem on my PC. But for some reason the Oppo said for most of them the video was unavailable even though it listed it and you could click on it.
post #761 of 9093
Thread Starter 
Could be restricted by region, DNS, or even the application itself (YouTube Leanback is separate from YouTube proper which has things like paid-for-ads). I personally do not use YouTube as I find it very restrictive, but I would not be surprised if content is restricted on YouTube LeanBack because there is no way to monetize your time.
post #762 of 9093
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Originally Posted by tjf1 View Post

better Bluray playback.

??? I don't think Oppo is even making that claim. The '83 was an accurate disc player when playing Blu-ray discs, so is/was the '93. Once you get to "accurate" there is nothing else the disc player can or should do to images... an accurate image is the best possible result from a disc player. If the images look somehow "better" then the disc player is processing the data from the disc and CHANGING THE DATA and by doing that, it would be LESS ACCURATE. Oppo has no track record of making increasingly less accurate disc players, and from what I can tell so far, they haven't started anything like that with the '103. Of course all this assumes you have not enabled any of the "automatic" or "calibration" or "adjustments" in the disc player (all models, 83, 93, and 103). A "1" or "0" has no qualiy associated with it. You either read a 1 as a 1 or you read it as a 0 and that can only be an error or a change caused by some sort of processing).

The only processing a good (and accurate) disc player does is to read the YCbCr 4:2:0 data encoded on the disc (plus audio of course), convert the 4:2:0 data to 4:2:2 data (which Oppo clearly knows how to do accurately because the previous models were among the most accurate disc players available at any price), and send the 4:2:2 data to the video display. You don't want the disc player messing with anything or attempting to "improve" the image with unspecified "processing". So Blu-ray images should be identical in appearance from any accurate Blu-ray disc player. There are 6.2+ million pixels per frame. An accurate disc player gets all of them right 24 or 30 times per second. Once all those pixels are accurate, you can't make them better.

So I just don't understand the comment -- I have 3 player models here right now and Blu-ray images look identical on all of them... 2 are Oppo models, one is a new Pioneer Elite.

In the days of analog video, every compoment looked different, sometimes 2 models of the same product didn't even look exactly the same. The world of digital video has changed that. The only way for one disc player to look different than another is to have a design defect (like the first Samsung Blu-ray player that filtered high-frequency detail making images lose fine detail -- that was a design error that has not been repeated since to the best of my knowledge) or for the product to INTENTIONALLY process the image somehow (which changes the bits and makes the disc player less accurate).
Edited by Doug Blackburn - 10/15/12 at 1:02pm
post #763 of 9093
Okay: it's official; I am adding the 103 to my Equipment Wish List. I will continue to lurk on this thread until I get around to making my purchase.
post #764 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

??? I don't think Oppo is even making that claim. The '83 was an accurate disc player when playing Blu-ray discs, so is/was the '93. Once you get to "accurate" there is nothing else the disc player can or should do to images... an accurate image is the best possible result from a disc player. If the images look somehow "better" then the disc player is processing the data from the disc and CHANGING THE DATA and by doing that, it would be LESS ACCURATE. Oppo has no track record of making increasingly less accurate disc players, and from what I can tell so far, they haven't started anything like that with the '103. Of course all this assumes you have not enabled any of the "automatic" or "calibration" or "adjustments" in the disc player (all models, 83, 93, and 103). A "1" or "0" has no qualiy associated with it. You either read a 1 as a 1 or you read it as a 0 and that can only be an error or a change caused by some sort of processing).
The only processing a good (and accurate) disc player does is to read the YCbCr 4:2:0 data encoded on the disc (plus audio of course), convert the 4:2:0 data to 4:2:2 data (which Oppo clearly knows how to do accurately because the previous models were among the most accurate disc players available at any price), and send the 4:2:2 data to the video display. You don't want the disc player messing with anything or attempting to "improve" the image with unspecified "processing". So Blu-ray images should be identical in appearance from any accurate Blu-ray disc player. There are 6.2+ million pixels per frame. An accurate disc player gets all of them right 24 or 30 times per second. Once all those pixels are accurate, you can't make them better.
So I just don't understand the comment -- I have 3 player models here right now and Blu-ray images look identical on all of them... 2 are Oppo models, one is a new Pioneer Elite.
In the days of analog video, every compoment looked different, sometimes 2 models of the same product didn't even look exactly the same. The world of digital video has changed that. The only way for one disc player to look different than another is to have a design defect (like the first Samsung Blu-ray player that filtered high-frequency detail making images lose fine detail -- that was a design error that has not been repeated since to the best of my knowledge) or for the product to INTENTIONALLY process the image somehow (which changes the bits and makes the disc player less accurate).

I agree completely that the goal of bluray players should be to accurately represent the bits on the disc and then step out of the way.

I took the comment from the OP to mean that the Pioneer player he once had achieved that while he felt that the 110 didn't; we know the Oppos achieve that, so if the correct term is not so much that the bluray is better but that some players may degrade the image slightly, and so are not as good, then that's a good distinction to make. Bluray players typically present a great image, so it may be just a matter of choice and happy thinking having the 103 at hand, which equaled his old and lamented pioneer.
post #765 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

??? I don't think Oppo is even making that claim. The '83 was an accurate disc player when playing Blu-ray discs, so is/was the '93. Once you get to "accurate" there is nothing else the disc player can or should do to images... an accurate image is the best possible result from a disc player. If the images look somehow "better" then the disc player is processing the data from the disc and CHANGING THE DATA and by doing that, it would be LESS ACCURATE. Oppo has no track record of making increasingly less accurate disc players, and from what I can tell so far, they haven't started anything like that with the '103. Of course all this assumes you have not enabled any of the "automatic" or "calibration" or "adjustments" in the disc player (all models, 83, 93, and 103). A "1" or "0" has no qualiy associated with it. You either read a 1 as a 1 or you read it as a 0 and that can only be an error or a change caused by some sort of processing).
The only processing a good (and accurate) disc player does is to read the YCbCr 4:2:0 data encoded on the disc (plus audio of course), convert the 4:2:0 data to 4:2:2 data (which Oppo clearly knows how to do accurately because the previous models were among the most accurate disc players available at any price), and send the 4:2:2 data to the video display. You don't want the disc player messing with anything or attempting to "improve" the image with unspecified "processing". So Blu-ray images should be identical in appearance from any accurate Blu-ray disc player. There are 6.2+ million pixels per frame. An accurate disc player gets all of them right 24 or 30 times per second. Once all those pixels are accurate, you can't make them better.
So I just don't understand the comment -- I have 3 player models here right now and Blu-ray images look identical on all of them... 2 are Oppo models, one is a new Pioneer Elite.
In the days of analog video, every compoment looked different, sometimes 2 models of the same product didn't even look exactly the same. The world of digital video has changed that. The only way for one disc player to look different than another is to have a design defect (like the first Samsung Blu-ray player that filtered high-frequency detail making images lose fine detail -- that was a design error that has not been repeated since to the best of my knowledge) or for the product to INTENTIONALLY process the image somehow (which changes the bits and makes the disc player less accurate).

Do I have proof the blueray image is better with the Oppo than the Panny? No. But my wife told me she thought it was a sharper image now. It was the same thing I was thinking, but had not stated. The 051 player has been retired for a couple of years, so I can't really compare it, but I always felt we lost something in the image when we went to the Panny.
The only thing I set up on this were RGB Video Level, 1080P output and Deep Color 36bit. Maybe something wasn't set properly in the Panny. I don't think I did anythig with that setup other than 1080P. I do know it couldn't hook up at 36 bit. It tried to once then failed every time after that.
post #766 of 9093
I am planning on buying a bdp-103 regarding the cinavia protection on sony blu-ray movies . Would it be possible to have a second cheap blu-ray player that does not have cinavia and has source direct and let the oppo do the video processing. Has anyone tried this with sony cinavia protection movies. It would be easier than converting the movies to mkv's.
post #767 of 9093
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Originally Posted by tjf1 View Post


Do I have proof the blueray image is better with the Oppo than the Panny? No. But my wife told me she thought it was a sharper image now. It was the same thing I was thinking, but had not stated. The 051 player has been retired for a couple of years, so I can't really compare it, but I always felt we lost something in the image when we went to the Panny.
The only thing I set up on this were RGB Video Level, 1080P output and Deep Color 36bit. Maybe something wasn't set properly in the Panny. I don't think I did anythig with that setup other than 1080P. I do know it couldn't hook up at 36 bit. It tried to once then failed every time after that.

FWIW, Panny players have several settings that are on by default which alter the image. Mainly in the area of brightness (black levels) and contrast. IOW, you need to make an effort to get a "correct" image from some players where Oppo does it by default.
post #768 of 9093
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

I am planning on buying a bdp-103 regarding the cinavia protection on sony blu-ray movies . Would it be possible to have a second cheap blu-ray player that does not have cinavia and has source direct and let the oppo do the video processing. Has anyone tried this with sony cinavia protection movies. It would be easier than converting the movies to mkv's.

The easiest thing to do is avoid buying Sony releases. wink.gif
That said, there aren't enough affected titles at this point to justify a second player if you don't already have one.
post #769 of 9093
Here is a list of movies:

[edit] List of known releases with Cinavia watermarking

[edit] BD

2010
1.The Karate Kid
2.The Losers
3.The Other Guys
4.Resident Evil: Afterlife
5.Salt
6.The Social Network
7.Takers

2011
1.30 Minutes or Less
2.Bad Teacher
3.Battle: Los Angeles
4.Colombiana
5.Dylan Dog: Dead of Night
6.Friends With Benefits
7.Larry Crowne
8.Midnight in Paris
9.Priest
10.The Smurfs
11.Straw Dogs
12.The Green Hornet
13.The Guard
14.The Roommate
15.The Tourist
16.Zookeeper

2012
1.Anonymous
2.Bucky Larson: Born To Be A Star
3.Carnage
4.Courageous
5.A Dangerous Method
6.Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark
7.Drive
8.The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
9.Higher Ground
10.The Ides Of March
11.In the Land of Blood and Honey
12.Jack & Jill
13.London Boulevard
14.Moneyball
15.Restless
16.Take Shelter
17.The Rum Diary
18.The Skin I Live In
19.Underworld: Awakening
20.The Vow
21.The Thing
22.21 Jump Street
post #770 of 9093
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

Here is a list of movies:
[edit] List of known releases with Cinavia watermarking
[edit] BD
2010
5.Salt

2011
9.Priest

I made a copy of Priest - DVD - tested it - it plays back fine on my 103 - what is it about Cinavia people are so worried about?
post #771 of 9093
Here is more complete list

Affected titles - could be BD or DVD:


2010
The Wolfman (Universal)
Shutter Island (Paramount)
The Losers (Warner Bros)
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Universal)

2011
Battle: Los Angeles (Sony Pictures)
Sucker Punch (Sony Pictures)
Just Go With It (Columbia Pictures)
Red Riding Hood (Warner Bros)
Paul (Universal)
Fast Five aka Fast & Furious 5: Rio Heist (Universal)
Hall Pass (New Line Cinema / Warner Bros)
The Hangover Part 2 (Warner Bros)
Priest (Sony Pictures)
Bridesmaids (Universal)
Bad Teacher (Sony Pictures)
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 (Warner Bros)
Zookeeper (Sony Pictures)
Friends with Benefits (Screen Gems / Sony Pictures)
The Change Up (Universal)
Horrible Bosses (New Line Cinema / Warner Bros)
30 Minutes or Less (Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures)
Tower Heist (Universal)
A Very Harold And Kumar 3D Christmas (Warner Bros)
Moneyball (Sony Pictures)
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (Warner Bros)

2012
Underworld Awakening (Sony Pictures)
Wrath Of The Titans (Warner Bros)
American Reunion (Universal)
21 Jump Street (Sony Pictures)
Battleship (Universal)
Men in Black III (Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures)
Snow White and the Huntsman (Universal)
Ice Age: Continental Drift (Blue Sky / 20th Century Fox)
Ted (Universal)
The Amazing Spider-Man (Columbia / Marvel)
The Lorax (Universal)


List of DVD Releases confirmed with Cinavia

2010
Takers (Sony Pictures)
The Tourist (Sony Pictures)
The Social Network (Sony Pictures)

2011
The Roommate (Sony Pictures)
Dylan Dog Dead of Night (20th Century Fox)
Zookeeper (Sony Pictures)
Bad Teacher (Sony Pictures)

2012
Project X (Warner Bros)
Wrath of the Titans (Warner Bros)


List of Blu-ray Discs confirmed with Cinavia

2010
The Losers (Warner Bros)
Karate Kid (Sony Pictures)
Salt (Sony Pictures)
The Other Guys (Sony Pictures)
Resident Evil: Afterlife (Sony Pictures)
The Social Network (Sony Pictures)
Takers (Sony Pictures)
The Tourist (Sony Pictures)
How Do You Know (Sony Pictures)
Burlesque (Sony Pictures)

2011
The Green Hornet (Sony Pictures)
Battle: Los Angeles (Sony Pictures)
Paul (Sony Pictures)
The Adjustment Bureau (Sony Pictures)
The Social Network (Sony Pictures)
Sucker Punch (Sony Pictures)
The Roommate (Sony Pictures)
Battle: Los Angeles (Sony Pictures)
Priest (Sony Pictures)
Dylan Dog Dead Of Night (20th Century Fox)
Zookeeper (Sony Pictures)
Bad Teacher (Sony Pictures)
Larry Crowne (Universal Studios)
The Smurfs (Sony Pictures)
Friends with Benefits (Sony Pictures)
Life, Above All (Sony Pictures)
Straw Dogs (Sony Pictures)
Midnight in Paris (Sony Pictures)
Colombiana (Sony Pictures)
Don't Be Afraid of the Dark (Sony Pictures)
Moneyball (Sony Pictures)
Higher Ground (Sony Pictures)
Courageous (Sony Pictures)
The Ides of March (Sony Pictures)
Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star (Sony Pictures)
Restless (Sony Pictures)
Drive (Sony Pictures)
The Thing (Universal Studios)
Anonymous (Sony Pictures)
The Rum Diary (Sony Pictures)
London Boulevard (Sony Pictures)
The Skin I Live In (Sony Pictures)
Jack and Jill (Sony Pictures)
Carnage (Sony Pictures)
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (Sony Pictures)
In the Land of Blood and Honey (Sony Pictures)
A Dangerous Method (Sony Pictures)
The Adventures of Tintin (Sony Pictures)

2012
Underworld: Awakening (Sony Pictures)
The Vow (Sony Pictures)
The Woman in Black (Sony Pictures)
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (Sony Pictures)
In Darkness (Sony Pictures)
21 Jump Street (Sony Pictures)
Project X (Warner Bros)
Footnote (Sony Pictures)
Wrath of the Titans (Warner Bros)
Salmon Fishing in the Yemen (Sony Pictures)
Lockout (Sony Pictures)
Detention (Sony Pictures)
The Raid: Redemption (Sony Pictures)
A Separation (Sony Pictures)
Meeting Evil (Sony Pictures)
post #772 of 9093
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I made a copy of Priest - DVD - tested it - it plays back fine on my 103 - what is it about Cinavia people are so worried about?

In the vast majority of cases, ONLY the Blu-ray version of a film has the Cinavia watermark embedded in its audio track.

And even on some Blu-ray discs, only one of the alternate language tracks (usually the English track) has it embedded.

As ought to be obvious, at the moment there are way WAY more commercial discs out there without Cinavia in their audio tracks than there are discs with Cinavia.

Since studios frequently put out titles in multiple versions, there's also the issue of whether the Cinavia watermarking will be present in every version of a given title. For example "Rental Specials" may differ from the Retail releases, etc., etc.
--Bob
post #773 of 9093
New, V1.4, User Manual Posted for OPPO BDP-103:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx

OPPO has just posted an updated version of the User Manual for the BDP-103 (PDF file).
--Bob
post #774 of 9093
hi boe, I don't have 103 to test but most of these movies are found on google if you search cinavia movies.What worries me about cinavia is the inconvenience it presents to the consumer who wants to backup their collection and preserve the original. Lets hope they don't keep making movies with this limitation.
post #775 of 9093
I just had a thought it would be interesting if oppo in future players would make one media streamer without blu-ray license and let consumer have the option in putting a PC blu-ray drive inside that way we are not bound to cinavia restrictions.
post #776 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

New, V1.4, User Manual Posted for OPPO BDP-103:
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx
OPPO has just posted an updated version of the User Manual for the BDP-103 (PDF file).
--Bob

Bob, not that it matters since mine is fully functional and I had almost zero issues setting it up, but do we know what changed?
post #777 of 9093
Thanks - I have a BR version of SALT - I'll make a copy and we'll see what happens.
post #778 of 9093
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Originally Posted by Tony Vega View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

New, V1.4, User Manual Posted for OPPO BDP-103:
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx
OPPO has just posted an updated version of the User Manual for the BDP-103 (PDF file).
--Bob

Bob, not that it matters since mine is fully functional and I had almost zero issues setting it up, but do we know what changed?

I'm not sure what changes made it into this version. I would imagine it was mostly fixing typos and doing editorial cleanup.
--Bob
post #779 of 9093
For dual hdmi users, do you still get the receiver to display onscreen settings. I assume no because hdmi 2 is not feeding any video through and your best option is whenever you need to make changes.....you would need to rely on the receiver display screen.
post #780 of 9093
I run audio from the 103 to the AVR via HDMI 2, and Video direct to HDMI 1 on the display, from HDMI 1 on the 103. So no, there is no display. Since I need it every now and then, I have an HDMI cable running from the AVR to HDMI 2 on my display, so I can swap to that if I need to rerun Audyssey, etc.
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