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post #8041 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

The value of ISO playback for me is music Blu-rays (a growing part of my collection), DVD-As (not growing as fast but large none-the-less), and concert DVDs.

Movies were never the primary reason for ISO playback for me, but I use it for the few movies on Blu-ray or DVD that I own that I rewatch frequently.

Sorry, off-topic. Back to 103 Technical discussion.

Well the 103 (prior to the current beta) plays back all of my music/concert Blu-rays loaded as BDMV folders which is just as good as ISO playback as far as I am concerned. I would never have the space to load all 250 of these discs that I own so I only have the ones I play most often loaded on the hard drive. I didn't bother loading any of my 300 plus BR movies to the hard drives as their playback frequency is much less than for music and concerts.
post #8042 of 16402
For users in Europe, Oppo UK has now posted the French language Manual for the BDP-103EU:

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/downloads/

--Bob
post #8043 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

Well the 103 (prior to the current beta) plays back all of my music/concert Blu-rays loaded as BDMV folders which is just as good as ISO playback as far as I am concerned. I would never have the space to load all 250 of these discs that I own so I only have the ones I play most often loaded on the hard drive. I didn't bother loading any of my 300 plus BR movies to the hard drives as their playback frequency is much less than for music and concerts.

I don't have your music Blu-ray collection yet, but I have several hundred DVD-As and there is no equivalent playback option to DVD-A ISOs, whether on another Oppo player, or any other media box for that matter. All of my DVD-A, concert DVD, and music Blu-ray ISOs fit nicely on 6TB of HDD space, although soon to be 8TB.

I agree with you regarding movies that don't get played frequently. The people that have +100TB of storage for Blu-ray movies, do they re-watch them that often?
post #8044 of 16402
This thread moves too quickly. I recall reading somewhere in it that people were complaining that some region-free hacks caused the BDP-103 to behave glitchily. Is this still the case? Which region hacks are recommended and which should I avoid? Thanks.
post #8045 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

This thread moves too quickly. I recall reading somewhere in it that people were complaining that some region-free hacks caused the BDP-103 to behave glitchily. Is this still the case? Which region hacks are recommended and which should I avoid? Thanks.

I think more often we have reports that firmware updates cause trouble for the region mods and the sellers of those items are not responsive with their own updates.

For DVD there is a free software mod that works great. For BR you need a hardware mod, although at least one is entirely external. The vendors we know about are shown in the FAQ: Region Free Modifications

I haven't used one so don't have a recommendation.

-Bill
post #8046 of 16402
I got my brand-new all-region internally-modified BDP-103 from Bombay Electronics, the second week in January (they are located in the USA, on the East Coast). They did the mod themselves, they waranty the mod for the life of the original owner, and they guarantee that it will remain unaffected by any future firmware updates. When the 103 arrived, it already had the latest Official 38-1220 Firmware installed.

Personally, I'm not the impatient type, so I am not at all interested in installing any "beta" firmware on any of my devices -- let alone my beloved 103 -- and I will be waiting for several weeks after the next Official release before installing it, just to see how most of the posters on here end up viewing it.

As such, I can't yet tell you whether or not a firmware update really does cause problems with my particular 103's all-region mod... but I can tell you that so far, the mod works flawlessly. I also can report that before I ordered from Bombay, I e-mailed them several times with questions, and always received an answer from them within one day -- even on weekends. And for a week-or-three after it arrived, I had quite a few additional questions... all of which were likewise answered within one day. Which is to say... TOP-NOTCH customer service.

Once the next Official 103 firmware is released, and I've installed it, I will thoroughly test its affect (if any) on the Bombay all-region mod, and report my findings (good or bad) in this thread.
post #8047 of 16402
Do the Oppo players ever go on sale?
post #8048 of 16402
My goodness....I've owned my Oppo 103 for 3 weeks now. Wow. Wow. Wow. I cannot believe I ever questioned "is it worth it" just wanted to post this as a beyond ecstatic owner. :-)


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post #8049 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Mako0312 View Post

Do the Oppo players ever go on sale?
To most of us who have owned their products consider them a bargain for the performance already.
post #8050 of 16402

To all foobar users, how and where do I select the Oppo as a renderer? I have downloaded its uPnP components as well. I want a server that has renderer capabilities.

 

I tried Jriver but OMG, this thing is more complex than a rubiks cube!

 

Thanks,

David

post #8051 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Mako0312 View Post

Do the Oppo players ever go on sale?
So far the answer is no.
post #8052 of 16402
I love my OPPO
this thread is getting huge post 8089 biggrin.gif
post #8053 of 16402
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

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Originally Posted by Mako0312 View Post

Do the Oppo players ever go on sale?
So far the answer is no.

 

Only Oppo re-furbished units are sold at less than market value with original warranties...

post #8054 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

See my response above to AndrewFG on this same question. When Oppo pulls data, all is fine. When data is pushed to it, then problems occur.

Hmmm.

Can you be more specific about what you mean by the case "when Oppo pulls data"? There are actually three possible cases as follows, and actually in all three cases, in the end it is always the player that "pulls" the data (i.e. even what you call "push" actually ends up with the player "pulling" the data):
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  1. The Oppo UI browses the library on a shared folder (SMB), selects a track, and then plays it. In this case, the Oppo downloads the file by using a regular network file read command.
  2. The Oppo UI browses the library on a UPnP/DLNA media server, selects a track, and then plays it. In this case, the Oppo downloads the stream by using an HTTP GET command.
  3. A third party UPnP/DLNA UI Control Point (device or application) browses the library on a UPnP/DLNA media server, selects a track, and then tells the player to play it. In this case, the Oppo downloads the stream by using an HTTP GET command. i.e. the pull is done in exactly the same way as case 2. above.

The first of these "pulls" uses the network file read mechanism, and the remaining two use HTTP GETs. If I understand dmusoke properly, he is saying that the problem is with the HTTP GET mechanism. So as I said before, this could be due to a bandwidth bottleneck or buffer overrun on the server, or the LAN, or the player...
post #8055 of 16402

Andrew ...I'm really not familiar with the innards of DLNA/HTTP etc... but what I know is this.... When I use the Oppo as a media renderer(DMR) using my server software, I get the stuttering playing 24b/192K 5.1. WAV files. When I directly pull data from the network using the Oppo UI (case 2 above), all is fine.

 

Now, I just found this out today, when I convert the WAV file to FLAC(using dBpoweramp), no stuttering occurs and the files play flawlessly. So, no idea what to make of this development, part from converting my entire WAV library into FLACredface.gif!

post #8056 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

When I use the Oppo as a media renderer(DMR) using my server software, I get the stuttering playing 24b/192K 5.1. WAV files. When I directly pull data from the network using the Oppo UI (case 2 above), all is fine.

When playing from a UPnP/DLNA source, as far as the server or the network are concerned, there is absolutely no technical difference between a PLAY and a PLAY TO command, concerning how the stream data is transferred. As mentioned, both mechanisms use the exact same HTTP GET mechanism to download the stream. Therefore, if you are really seeing the problem only with UPnP/DLNA PLAY TO and not with UPnP/DLNA PLAY, then the issue is definitely neither a server nor a LAN problem. It must be a problem in the player. Probably a buffer problem of some sort.
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Now, I just found this out today, when I convert the WAV file to FLAC(using dBpoweramp), no stuttering occurs and the files play flawlessly. So, no idea what to make of this development, part from converting my entire WAV library into FLAC:o !

That makes sense. For the same music content, a FLAC file is smaller than a WAV, so the bit rate (Bits/Sec) will be lower. Roughly speaking the bit rates are as follows.
.
  1. WAV 192kHz 2Ch 24Bit => 9.2 Mbps
  2. FLAC 192kHz 5.1Ch 24Bit => 15 .. 20 Mbps
  3. WAV 192kHz 5.1Ch 24Bit => 27.6 Mbps

The fact that cases 1 & 2 work and that case 3 does not, support the hypothesis that you are hitting a bandwidth issue.

So in short, you probably have a band width issue. And the problem probably lies inside the player. And specifically there is probably something within the player that differently handles the two (what should be indentical) HTTP GETs when doing a UPnP/DLNA PLAY versus a UPnP/DLNA PLAY TO command. So you need to contact Oppo tech support, to see if they are aware of this issue, and if they planning to fix it.

(Personally, I fear you may get a negative answer from Oppo tech support, because I suspect that the problem with handling 27.6 Mbps over Ethernet into such a consumer device, might only be solvable by having a faster CPU and or more memory in the device. i.e. there may be a hardware limitation rather than a software limitation...)

EDIT: after writing the above, I realised that there is possibly one way where a UPnP/DLNA PLAY TO might differ from a UPnP/DLNA PLAY command.
.
  1. In PLAY TO the Control Point gives the player a single specific server URL from which it must download the track; i.e. it gives the player the URL of the original 192kHz 5.1Ch 24bit file.
  2. In PLAY the server offers a choice of several different URLs for the same track. The offer normally includes URLs for the original file, plus transcoded version(s) thereof. Typically the offered transcoded versions may include URLs for LPCM and/or MP3. Now in this case instead of being forced to download the original 192kHz 5.1Ch 24bit file, the player might instead choose to downloaded a lower resolution transcoded version, having a lower bit rate, that falls below the band width limit.

The way to find this out would be to check carefully, if the file being played under PLAY TO is really the same as that being played under PLAY. Do the two tracks sound the same (apart from the stuttering)? For example, is the PLAY file heard in stereo rather than in 5.1 channel form?
Edited by AndrewFG - 4/25/13 at 3:18am
post #8057 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I don't have your music Blu-ray collection yet, but I have several hundred DVD-As and there is no equivalent playback option to DVD-A ISOs, whether on another Oppo player, or any other media box for that matter. All of my DVD-A, concert DVD, and music Blu-ray ISOs fit nicely on 6TB of HDD space, although soon to be 8TB.

I agree with you regarding movies that don't get played frequently. The people that have +100TB of storage for Blu-ray movies, do they re-watch them that often?

I just converted all my DVD-A's (400+) to 5.1 FLAC files at whatever rate they were originally at which was mostly 96/24.
post #8058 of 16402
Is anyone having problems with Netflix? I am using the latest beta software and keep running into random moments when it goes black and locks the player up. I had the same issue on the stable firmware as well. I did some searches and found others having the issue last year, but nothing recent. Am I the only one still having this problem or did someone come up with a solution?
Edited by Balthazar2k4 - 4/25/13 at 5:14am
post #8059 of 16402
I am having problems with connecting my cable box to the OPPO and then to the LED. Has anyone been successful with the latest firmware in resolving this issue. OPPO reports that after downlaoding this firmware I may experience "frame drops". not sure what this means.
Edited by STEVE MORRILL - 4/25/13 at 5:15am
post #8060 of 16402
I just got my 103 yesterday and I immediately set it up. I'm surprised as it already had the latest firmware since every other blu-ray player I've purchased from other manufacturer's required a new firmware upgrade as soon as I got it. The only thing I noticed was when setting up my Harmony 880 for it that it is listed under "Music player" or something like that instead of a DVD player? I also had to "Learn" a lot of buttons on the Harmony from the Oppo remote since it doesn't appear to be on Harmony's database? The strangest button was that the Harmony had to "Learn" the "Pause" button from the Oppo which you would think would already be on the database. I only played a "Vudu" movie and while playing that, I would try and "Pause" the movie but it would only bring up the Vudu status bar. It worked correctly after learning the button. So far, so good. Tonight I will watch my first blu-ray movie on the 103. smile.gif
post #8061 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I just converted all my DVD-A's (400+) to 5.1 FLAC files at whatever rate they were originally at which was mostly 96/24.

IMO still not as good as playing from a DVD-A ISO - no bonus materials, hi-rez stereo tracks (although I suppose you can rip those also), and most importantly, you lose gapless playback on the Oppo. You'll just love playing Beatles Love from individual FLAC files with gaps.rolleyes.gif

Now you'll have to re-rip or merge the files to a single FLAC file and create a cue sheet (oh wait, you won't be able to play from a cue file if you're not updating the firmware on your 103). It's also preferable to store the ISOs as backup to the discs, some of which are irreplaceable.
Edited by scolumbo - 4/25/13 at 6:07am
post #8062 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

IMO still not as good as playing from a DVD-A ISO - no bonus materials, hi-rez stereo tracks (although I suppose you can rip those also), and most importantly, you lose gapless playback on the Oppo. You'll just love playing Beatles Love from individual FLAC files with gaps.rolleyes.gif

Now you'll have to re-rip or merge the files to a single FLAC file and create a cue sheet (oh wait, you won't be able to play from a cue file if you're not updating the firmware on your 103). It's also preferable to store the ISOs as backup to the discs, some of which are irreplaceable.

This is a non-issue for me. There aren't many where the tracks flow together like "Love" does so the flacs with gaps don't bother me at all. With those like "Love", I can just play from the disc as I still have them all. I never listen to the stereo tracks either. The FLAC's as "back-up's" are good enough for me. I have actually backed all of them up in the flac format as well to Blu-Ray blanks as an extra measure.
post #8063 of 16402
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Originally Posted by yaomizzle View Post

My goodness....I've owned my Oppo 103 for 3 weeks now. Wow. Wow. Wow. I cannot believe I ever questioned "is it worth it" just wanted to post this as a beyond ecstatic owner. :-)

I'm loving mine as well. Only had it for a few weeks, but so far I couldn't be happier. It's got a better picture than my old Panasonic it replaced, and the thing is so much faster it's mind boggling! It used to take 30 seconds sometimes just to open the tray on my Panny. smile.gif
post #8064 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

IMO still not as good as playing from a DVD-A ISO - no bonus materials, hi-rez stereo tracks (although I suppose you can rip those also), and most importantly, you lose gapless playback on the Oppo. You'll just love playing Beatles Love from individual FLAC files with gaps.rolleyes.gif

Now you'll have to re-rip or merge the files to a single FLAC file and create a cue sheet (oh wait, you won't be able to play from a cue file if you're not updating the firmware on your 103). It's also preferable to store the ISOs as backup to the discs, some of which are irreplaceable.
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

I just converted all my DVD-A's (400+) to 5.1 FLAC files at whatever rate they were originally at which was mostly 96/24.
I have a few dozen DVD-A discs. I too converted all mine to multi-channel Flac (at the same sample rate and bit depth as the DVD-A source). They work perfectly. wink.gif

And yep the new beta firmware supports 'gapless' Flac file playback with the aid of a Cue sheet. They work perfectly too...
Edited by SeeMoreDigital - 4/25/13 at 9:40am
post #8065 of 16402
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

When I use the Oppo as a media renderer(DMR) using my server software, I get the stuttering playing 24b/192K 5.1. WAV files. When I directly pull data from the network using the Oppo UI (case 2 above), all is fine.

When playing from a UPnP/DLNA source, as far as the server or the network are concerned, there is absolutely no technical difference between a PLAY and a PLAY TO command, concerning how the stream data is transferred. As mentioned, both mechanisms use the exact same HTTP GET mechanism to download the stream. Therefore, if you are really seeing the problem only with UPnP/DLNA PLAY TO and not with UPnP/DLNA PLAY, then the issue is definitely neither a server nor a LAN problem. It must be a problem in the player. Probably a buffer problem of some sort.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Now, I just found this out today, when I convert the WAV file to FLAC(using dBpoweramp), no stuttering occurs and the files play flawlessly. So, no idea what to make of this development, part from converting my entire WAV library into FLAC:o !

That makes sense. For the same music content, a FLAC file is smaller than a WAV, so the bit rate (Bits/Sec) will be lower. Roughly speaking the bit rates are as follows.
.
  1. WAV 192kHz 2Ch 24Bit => 9.2 Mbps
  2. FLAC 192kHz 5.1Ch 24Bit => 15 .. 20 Mbps
  3. WAV 192kHz 5.1Ch 24Bit => 27.6 Mbps

The fact that cases 1 & 2 work and that case 3 does not, support the hypothesis that you are hitting a bandwidth issue.

So in short, you probably have a band width issue. And the problem probably lies inside the player. And specifically there is probably something within the player that differently handles the two (what should be indentical) HTTP GETs when doing a UPnP/DLNA PLAY versus a UPnP/DLNA PLAY TO command. So you need to contact Oppo tech support, to see if they are aware of this issue, and if they planning to fix it.

(Personally, I fear you may get a negative answer from Oppo tech support, because I suspect that the problem with handling 27.6 Mbps over Ethernet into such a consumer device, might only be solvable by having a faster CPU and or more memory in the device. i.e. there may be a hardware limitation rather than a software limitation...)

EDIT: after writing the above, I realised that there is possibly one way where a UPnP/DLNA PLAY TO might differ from a UPnP/DLNA PLAY command.
.
  1. In PLAY TO the Control Point gives the player a single specific server URL from which it must download the track; i.e. it gives the player the URL of the original 192kHz 5.1Ch 24bit file.
  2. In PLAY the server offers a choice of several different URLs for the same track. The offer normally includes URLs for the original file, plus transcoded version(s) thereof. Typically the offered transcoded versions may include URLs for LPCM and/or MP3. Now in this case instead of being forced to download the original 192kHz 5.1Ch 24bit file, the player might instead choose to downloaded a lower resolution transcoded version, having a lower bit rate, that falls below the band width limit.

The way to find this out would be to check carefully, if the file being played under PLAY TO is really the same as that being played under PLAY. Do the two tracks sound the same (apart from the stuttering)? For example, is the PLAY file heard in stereo rather than in 5.1 channel form?

 

Andrew:

 

Thanks for the excellent tutorial though half of it went above my head(smile.gif) but felt nice knowing that I may have discovered a possible bug in the Oppo.

 

The bottleneck must be within the Oppo as I get the stuttering when connected wirelessly or direct via Ethernet cable through my 1Gb/s network. The FLAC and WAV files sound identical to me (to my ears anyways), apart from the stuttering issue. And both formats display as 24bits, sampled at 192K in 5.1 format in my pre-pro status menu. I verified that all 6 speakers are playing sound for both WAV and FLAC formats.

 

I have already sent Oppo a test file via their drop- box site last night and waiting back to hear from them...

 

Thanks for the help provided so far ...

 

- David

 

 

EDIT:

 

I get no stuttering when playing the WAV audio using the Oppo UI. Does the buffer limitation issue you alluded to above still make sense?


Edited by dmusoke - 4/25/13 at 10:18am
post #8066 of 16402
^ It's conceivable the DMR functionality in the OPPO has a bottleneck -- there's overhead transmission that has to go on between it and the DLNA server for example. But really the first suspicion here would be that the bottleneck is on the DLNA/Digital Media Controller side at the server.

Anyway, if it is in the OPPO's DMR functionality, then OPPO Tech Support should be able to reproduce it easily with your test file.
--Bob
post #8067 of 16402
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I just got my 103 yesterday and I immediately set it up. I'm surprised as it already had the latest firmware since every other blu-ray player I've purchased from other manufacturer's required a new firmware upgrade as soon as I got it. The only thing I noticed was when setting up my Harmony 880 for it that it is listed under "Music player" or something like that instead of a DVD player? I also had to "Learn" a lot of buttons on the Harmony from the Oppo remote since it doesn't appear to be on Harmony's database? The strangest button was that the Harmony had to "Learn" the "Pause" button from the Oppo which you would think would already be on the database. I only played a "Vudu" movie and while playing that, I would try and "Pause" the movie but it would only bring up the Vudu status bar. It worked correctly after learning the button. So far, so good. Tonight I will watch my first blu-ray movie on the 103. smile.gif

I guess no one else uses a Harmony with their Oppo or hasn't run into the same problem because no one's responded to my post? There's just a this talk about the different types of files available to be read by the Oppo.
post #8068 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

EDIT:

I get no stuttering when playing the WAV audio using the Oppo UI. Does the buffer limitation issue you alluded to above still make sense?

No. Now you've got me totally confused. Originally you said that you had stuttering when doing PLAY TO from another controller, but not when doing PLAY from the player itself. But now you seem to be saying that you also get stuttering when doing PLAY from the player itself. So which is it?
post #8069 of 16402
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post


I guess no one else uses a Harmony with their Oppo or hasn't run into the same problem because no one's responded to my post? There's just a this talk about the different types of files available to be read by the Oppo.

Five whole hours and no one has helped you? Just talk about stuff you don't care about? That's hard.

I don't recall what you are describing happening when I set up my Harmony (which is popular here) but there are a couple of ways of programming it and maybe I used the "other" way. Perhaps someone else will be eager to help you.

-Bill
post #8070 of 16402

And Oppo says ....

 

 

David,

It can't be an inherent limitation of the DLNA protocols in the player since the errors are only occurring when you are using DLNA DMR, and not when using DLNA DMP.

We will be downloading your file this afternoon and testing it on our servers to see what issues we are able to duplicate in-house.

 


Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043

Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
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