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post #8071 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

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I get no stuttering when playing the WAV audio using the Oppo UI. Does the buffer limitation issue you alluded to above still make sense?

No. Now you've got me totally confused. Originally you said that you had stuttering when doing PLAY TO from another controller, but not when doing PLAY from the player itself. But now you seem to be saying that you also get stuttering when doing PLAY from the player itself. So which is it?

 

Andrew:

 

The stuttering occurs when pushing audio to the 105. It doesn't occur when playing same audio using the Oppo UI. I believe I said this from the very beginning. When used as a DMR , it stutters. When used as a DMP/DMC, no stuttering on 24b/192k/5.1 WAV audio.

 

- David

post #8072 of 16402
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That makes sense. For the same music content, a FLAC file is smaller than a WAV, so the bit rate (Bits/Sec) will be lower. Roughly speaking the bit rates are as follows.
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WAV 192kHz 2Ch 24Bit => 9.2 Mbps
FLAC 192kHz 5.1Ch 24Bit => 15 .. 20 Mbps
WAV 192kHz 5.1Ch 24Bit => 27.6 Mbps

The fact that cases 1 & 2 work and that case 3 does not, support the hypothesis that you are hitting a bandwidth issue.

So in short, you probably have a band width issue. And the problem probably lies inside the player.

But then why would I be able in my setup (wired ethernet and SMB share) to play uncompressed BluRay contents that goes over 30 Mbps without any hickups if the Oppo was at fault?
post #8073 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Balthazar2k4 View Post

Is anyone having problems with Netflix? I am using the latest beta software and keep running into random moments when it goes black and locks the player up. I had the same issue on the stable firmware as well. I did some searches and found others having the issue last year, but nothing recent. Am I the only one still having this problem or did someone come up with a solution?

Several of us have had Netflix problems with the new Beta. I don't remember problems being mentioned with the previous official release. Could have been, I just didn't have them. Oppo is working on it and will probably have it fixed in the next release. (he says with great hope and no inside scoop to base it on smile.gif

Ken
post #8074 of 16402
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I just got my 103 yesterday and I immediately set it up. I'm surprised as it already had the latest firmware since every other blu-ray player I've purchased from other manufacturer's required a new firmware upgrade as soon as I got it. The only thing I noticed was when setting up my Harmony 880 for it that it is listed under "Music player" or something like that instead of a DVD player? I also had to "Learn" a lot of buttons on the Harmony from the Oppo remote since it doesn't appear to be on Harmony's database? The strangest button was that the Harmony had to "Learn" the "Pause" button from the Oppo which you would think would already be on the database. I only played a "Vudu" movie and while playing that, I would try and "Pause" the movie but it would only bring up the Vudu status bar. It worked correctly after learning the button. So far, so good. Tonight I will watch my first blu-ray movie on the 103. smile.gif

If the 103 is not in the Harmony database use the 93. I had a 93 before the 103 and when I plugged the 103 in everything still worked on the Harmony except for one button ("Option") which it had to learn. Mind you, I don't use any of the external services provided like Netflix so I can't comment on that.
post #8075 of 16402
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

I have a few dozen DVD-A discs. I too converted all mine to multi-channel Flac (at the same sample rate and bit depth as the DVD-A source). They work perfectly. wink.gif

And yep the new beta firmware supports 'gapless' Flac file playback with the aid of a Cue sheet. They work perfectly too...
What software are people using to rip/convert DVD-As to FLAC? I have a few DVD-As and would like to try this. Especially with my Lord of the Rings Complete Soundtracks on DVD-A.
post #8076 of 16402
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

And yep the new beta firmware supports 'gapless' Flac file playback with the aid of a Cue sheet. They work perfectly too...

My Beatles Love single FLAC file (5.1 24/96) with cue sheet is 4.5GB. Have you experienced any problems playing large files like this from a cue sheet on your 103?

For me, the biggest advantage to using FLAC over an ISO is it's usually quicker to access and navigate rather than going through the DVD-A menu structure from an ISO. It's one of the reasons why I still want a 103 with cue file support.
post #8077 of 16402
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post

What software are people using to rip/convert DVD-As to FLAC? I have a few DVD-As and would like to try this. Especially with my Lord of the Rings Complete Soundtracks on DVD-A.

I use DVD audio extractor, works very well.. Even rips Blu ray audio, with some other decryption software.
post #8078 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

My Beatles Love single FLAC file (5.1 24/96) with cue sheet is 4.5GB. Have you experienced any problems playing large files like this from a cue sheet on your 103?
I'll be honest... I have not tried playing such large files with a Cue sheet... Flac or PCM...
post #8079 of 16402
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Originally Posted by astrogeeker View Post

I use DVD audio extractor, works very well.. Even rips Blu ray audio, with some other decryption software.

Ditto. Very easy to use.
post #8080 of 16402
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Originally Posted by astrogeeker View Post

I use DVD audio extractor, works very well.. Even rips Blu ray audio, with some other decryption software.

Agree, DVD Audio Extractor is the best program for ripping DVD-A to FLAC in my experience. It is limited in the metadata you can add to the files. I prefer MP3tag for adding tag info, artwork, etc.

There is another freeware program, DVD-A Explorer, that rips DVD-A, but it's buggy and hasn't been updated in quite some time.
post #8081 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

My Beatles Love single FLAC file (5.1 24/96) with cue sheet is 4.5GB. Have you experienced any problems playing large files like this from a cue sheet on your 103?

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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

I'll be honest... I have not tried playing such large files with a Cue sheet... Flac or PCM...

Not FLAC, neither PCM but 3GB DFF-files with a CUE sheet. No problems so far.
post #8082 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I prefer MP3tag for adding tag info, artwork, etc.

I use this as well after getting the files converted to FLAC.
post #8083 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post


Not FLAC, neither PCM but 3GB DFF-files with a CUE sheet. No problems so far.

File size shouldn't matter. A cue sheet is really just a play list after all.
post #8084 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

If the 103 is not in the Harmony database use the 93. I had a 93 before the 103 and when I plugged the 103 in everything still worked on the Harmony except for one button ("Option") which it had to learn. Mind you, I don't use any of the external services provided like Netflix so I can't comment on that.

Thanks, I don't know why Logitech takes so long to get new items up on the database? I think I have everything working now, just had to have the Harmony learn a lot of commands and was wondering if others had the same issues? I also have one of the old Harmony's, the 880. I like this old one better than a couple of newer models I have.
post #8085 of 16402
My Harmony One, linked to my Oppo 83, works fine with the 103. I had to teach it some new commands that the 103 has and the 83 doesn't (for example, I wanted to be able to scroll through inputs) but that was just a matter of putting the two controllers face to face and pushing the right button. Logitech is what Logitech is, it doesn't get my vote for being a great company. But its controllers are quite good, albeit the software/web access is a bit flaky at times. I don't think it took more than 20 minutes or so to get the controller to do what I wanted it to do with the 103.
post #8086 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post


Not FLAC, neither PCM but 3GB DFF-files with a CUE sheet. No problems so far.

Have you found a method to merge individual DSF/DFF files into a single continuous DSF or DFF file to achieve gapless playback with a cue sheet on the Oppo?
post #8087 of 16402
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Have you found a method to merge individual DSF/DFF files into a single continuous DSF or DFF file to achieve gapless playback with a cue sheet on the Oppo?

Yes, I have posted about it in this rapidly growing thread. It works with DFF-files post #7823. Please google for dsdmerge cool.gif
post #8088 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Ali is mental View Post

File size shouldn't matter. A cue sheet is really just a play list after all.

Hmmm... I have a 4,76GB file here. Both CDs from Kraftwerk - Minimum-Maximum merged to a DFF-file. When I try to play it, I get the message "CUE-file is not supported". No matter if original CDImage.dff or the renamed file. Have to verify this later.

Another point. It seems that CUE sheets don`t like umlauts in the name. For example I had to change the ö (in Herbert Grönemeyer) in oe. Then the CUE-sheet was accepted. Well, it is rather a problem for some people in Europe smile.gif
post #8089 of 16402
I set up my Harmony One with the 103 with so little drama, I don't even remember how it went. It just...worked. (I have since tinkered with the buttons a little to suit personal preferences, but it worked just fine with the default settings.)
post #8090 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Andrew:

The stuttering occurs when pushing audio to the 105. It doesn't occur when playing same audio using the Oppo UI. I believe I said this from the very beginning. When used as a DMR , it stutters. When used as a DMP/DMC, no stuttering on 24b/192k/5.1 WAV audio.

- David
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Andrew:

The stuttering occurs when pushing audio to the 105. It doesn't occur when playing same audio using the Oppo UI. I believe I said this from the very beginning. When used as a DMR , it stutters. When used as a DMP/DMC, no stuttering on 24b/192k/5.1 WAV audio.

- David

Sorry, my mistake. I did not read your message carefully enough; when you said "I get no stuttering when playing ... using the Oppo UI" I misread it as "I get now stuttering" so I wrongly thought you were now getting stuttering in both scenarios.. Oops...

From the symptoms you describe, my bet is that when you do the push (PLAY TO) the control point is forcing the player to download the original full bandwith 192kHz x 24bit x 5.1Ch file (27.6Mbps), whereas when you are doing the pull (PLAY) the server is offerring a choice of both the original full bandwith 192kHz x 24bit x 5.1Ch WAV file, plus also a transcoded L16 (LPCM) file at 48kHz x 16bit x 5.1Ch (4.6Mbps) (or perhaps even 48kHz x 16bit x 2Ch (1.5Mbps)), and that the player is actually selecting and playing the latter transcoded version instead of playing the original full bandwidth file...

However, let us wait to see what Oppo says.
post #8091 of 16402
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Originally Posted by jboileau View Post

But then why would I be able in my setup (wired ethernet and SMB share) to play uncompressed BluRay contents that goes over 30 Mbps without any hickups if the Oppo was at fault?

As I said in an earlier post, if you are playing from an SMB share then the player uses a regular network file read command to fetch the file, whereas when you are playing from a UPnP/DLNA server it uses HTTP GET commands to fetch the file. These two mechanisms use completely different code stacks, different buffering mechanisms, and different threading models. In my experience in general network file read commands are much closer to the operating system and so are much more highly optimised; whereas HTTP GETs (especially HTTP GETs implemented within a UPnP/DLNA code library) are separate bolt on code modules, so much less tightly integrated into the operating system, and thus much much slower.
post #8092 of 16402
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Several of us have had Netflix problems with the new Beta. I don't remember problems being mentioned with the previous official release. Could have been, I just didn't have them. Oppo is working on it and will probably have it fixed in the next release. (he says with great hope and no inside scoop to base it on smile.gif

Ken

Thanks Ken. That was basically the response I got from Oppo support. I guess I will just hang in and wait to see what they deliver. Fortunately, it wasn't a deal breaker for me, just an annoyance.
post #8093 of 16402
I am having issue with NETFLIX (Buffer out) issue...with HDMI handshake with Dish HD receiver
post #8094 of 16402
Okay, I'm going to do something everyone hates and just take my flogging for it later. I read through a few pages of this thread as I have a newly found interest in an Oppo 103. I owned the 83 way back and still miss it. However, my interest now is in something that will not only play reference quality Bluray 2D and 3D but also stream files from my server. I remember reading a while back about a previous model having ability to play ISO files through a firmware update which was later removed with another update. Do any of the current generation players do BD-ISO files? It looks like they play MKV files which I could work with as a few of my files are in this format and I could use this exclusively going forward if the Oppo handles it via network streaming well. I'm currently using a Dune Base 3.0 player to stream all my content and have not had a physical media player in years. I would like to try another Oppo if it will replace or at least supplement what I have.
post #8095 of 16402
^^Probably best to hunt down an ISO-capable 93 player. They are out there if you look. In addition, the 93 doesn't have Cinavia detection.

None of the current generation players handle ISOs, and with the current beta firmware, also removes the capability to play BDMV folders which was a good alternative (at least for Blu-ray, not for DVD of course).

edit: rereading your post, be aware that the ISO-capable 93/95 players only play ISOs from attached storage, they can't be streamed from a NAS. For that, it might be better to stick with MKV, which you can play using current generation 103/105 players.
Edited by scolumbo - 4/26/13 at 6:41am
post #8096 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Do any of the current generation players do BD-ISO files?

No. Not allowed.

-Bill
post #8097 of 16402
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Yes, I have posted about it in this rapidly growing thread. It works with DFF-files post #7823. Please google for dsdmerge cool.gif

Thanks, I had missed that post.
post #8098 of 16402
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

No. Not allowed.

-Bill

But MKV rips of Bluray work over streaming with True-HD and DTS-MA audio?
post #8099 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dhobi View Post

I am having issue with NETFLIX (Buffer out) issue...with HDMI handshake with Dish HD receiver

This morning when using the "Netflix" button which was learned by the Harmony 880 from the Oppo 103 remote, it kept bringing up the Netflix splash screen and then after a few seconds, it would go back to the Oppo "Home" screen. I tried a couple of times and it kept doing that. When I clicked on the Netflix icon from the Home screen everything was OK. It was just happening when using the Netflix button on the remote directly. Kind of strange?
post #8100 of 16402
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post


But MKV rips of Bluray work over streaming with True-HD and DTS-MA audio?

Yes, both.

-Bill
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