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post #8251 of 16418
Cheers, I'll have a look.
post #8252 of 16418
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Did you get the JCW turbo upgrade?

No. My wife did not like the rougher ride
post #8253 of 16418
A question about the Roku streaming stick. Does it utilize the 103's ethernet connection for streaming, or does it use its own internal Wi-Fi? If it uses Wi-Fi, I think I'd be better off going with a Roku 3 box.
post #8254 of 16418
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

A question about the Roku streaming stick. Does it utilize the 103's ethernet connection for streaming, or does it use its own internal Wi-Fi? If it uses Wi-Fi, I think I'd be better off going with a Roku 3 box.

Wi-fi.
post #8255 of 16418
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Wi-fi.

Thanks! I'm glad I asked. My 103 isn't located anywhere near my wireless router. Plus, I always prefer to use ethernet whenever possible. There's a reason why I ripped apart all my walls a few years ago and hardwired the whole house up. smile.gif
post #8256 of 16418
I recently bought the Oppo BDP-103 and love it so far, but I am having some minor lip sync issues. My setup is pretty outdated -- the player is currently hooked up to my Samsung LCD, and I'm just using the TV's speakers.

I have the latest firmware. Is there anything I can try to correct the sync problem? Does the player itself have an audio delay option tucked away somewhere that I haven't seen?
post #8257 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post


The real benefit of having the bdp-93 with the old firmware is being able to play dvd-a iso's and sacd iso's in addition to bd and dvd iso's. There's no other player on the market that can do this. Now that they've removed the ability to play sacd-r on the 103, the bdp-93 is looking even better for someone who wants to digitize their entire media library.

I don't believe the 93 could ever play SACD ISOs.
post #8258 of 16418
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

I don't believe the 93 could ever play SACD ISOs.

Not directly, although they can be opened and the contents converted on-the-fly to PCM and streamed to the 93 using Foobar's SACD decoder and UPnP plugins (this is true for the 103 as well). It works remarkably well and sounds quite good. However, if you want direct DSD to analog, or you want the Oppo to do the conversion to PCM, then you need the 103's DSD playback. That's assuming you are trying to play everything digitally and not handle discs. Ironically, removal of SACD-R disc playback capability on the 103 forces a digital playback solution for DSD.
Edited by scolumbo - 5/1/13 at 7:01pm
post #8259 of 16418
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Originally Posted by tygreg View Post

I recently bought the Oppo BDP-103 and love it so far, but I am having some minor lip sync issues. My setup is pretty outdated -- the player is currently hooked up to my Samsung LCD, and I'm just using the TV's speakers.

I have the latest firmware. Is there anything I can try to correct the sync problem? Does the player itself have an audio delay option tucked away somewhere that I haven't seen?

An A/V Sync setting was added in firmware 50-0323B.

Setup -> Audio Processing

-Bill
post #8260 of 16418
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I posted a workaround for this problem a few weeks ago. It works for my very similar mod.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/7140#post_23142186

Thanks for the tip (which I had overlooked as I am new to this forum). Will install the new new firmware when it becomes a regular release
post #8261 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

An A/V Sync setting was added in firmware 50-0323B.

Setup -> Audio Processing

-Bill

Does anyone know if this new feature applies only to the analog outputs, or does it also apply to the HDMI digital outputs too?

And another related question. My receiver (a Yamaha) has a setup feature called "Lip Sync" for the HDMI inputs, that you can set to "Enable" / "Disable". I assume that when set to "Enable", it causes some kind of handshaking on the HDMI line between the receiver and the player (and/or between the receiver and the Tv) to align the audio and video signals. Does anyone know a) how this feature is supposed to work? And b) whether or not the Oppo supports it?

{ just so you know: I tried toggling "Lip Sync" between "Enable" and "Disable" but I don't notice anything different either way... }
post #8262 of 16418
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

An A/V Sync setting was added in firmware 50-0323B.

Setup -> Audio Processing

-Bill

Does anyone know if this new feature applies only to the analog outputs, or does it also apply to the HDMI digital outputs too?

According to the release notes:
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12. Added a feature that allows the adjustment of the audio delay time within the range of -100ms to +100ms. This can be set under "Setup Menu"->"Audio Processing" -> "A/V Sync", and the delayed time will be applied to all output terminals including HDMI 1 and 2, Coaxial, Optical, and 7.1 outputs (including the Stereo outputs of the BDP-105).
  • The actual audio delay effect might be different for each of the output terminals due to the different audio process algorithms and signal paths used for each output. Please adjust this setting based on the actual output terminal in use.
  • The negative adjustment values are for cancelling out the audio delay that the player automatically applies.
  • Depending on the video source and the time it takes to process the video, the main decoder chip automatically applies an audio delay in order to optimize audio video synchronization. The negative manual settings reduce the automatic audio delay, while the positive manual settings apply additional delay. Any negative value setting beyond the player's automatic delay will be treated as completely cancelling the automatic delay. For example, if the "A/V Sync" value is manually set to -100ms and for the current video source the player applies a 70ms automatic audio delay, the final result is that the 70ms audio delay gets cancelled and the audio is not delayed at all.
  • It is not possible to put audio ahead of video using this setting.
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And another related question. My receiver (a Yamaha) has a setup feature called "Lip Sync" for the HDMI inputs, that you can set to "Enable" / "Disable". I assume that when set to "Enable", it causes some kind of handshaking on the HDMI line between the receiver and the player (and/or between the receiver and the Tv) to align the audio and video signals. Does anyone know a) how this feature is supposed to work? And b) whether or not the Oppo supports it?

{ just so you know: I tried toggling "Lip Sync" between "Enable" and "Disable" but I don't notice anything different either way... }

HDMI 1.3 added a lip-sync function, but my impression is that Blu-ray does not use it. (I'm vague on that, so perhaps a look through the HDMI forum here is warranted).

-Bill
post #8263 of 16418
Aspect Ratio Question

Yesterday I watched the old Dune movie on DVD. It was mastered in Cinemascope, and rendered as a letter box within the DVD 4:3 frame, so when played via the Oppo, it displayed as a minuscule image in the middle of the screen i.e. as a letterbox inside a pillarbox; (the real image covering about one tenth of the full screen); the pillarbox side bars were at least digital black, but the letterbox top & bottom bars were a snowy ("analog") black signal. It looked absolutely awful...

It tried the Oppo's various zoom options, and also tried toggling 16:9 vs. Auto output, but was not able to find a setting that produced the correct final Cinemascope aspect ratio at the largest possible size on the screen.

Also I also suspect the Oppo's upscaler was being confused by the snowy letterbox top & bottom bars, and thus the rest of the image upscaling may have been compromised.

Does anyone have any tips on the best settings for this scenario?

(Apart from buying the blu-ray remaster of the movie -- not a great option because the critics say the remaster was lazy & lousy...)
post #8264 of 16418
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

Aspect Ratio Question

Yesterday I watched the old Dune movie on DVD. It was mastered in Cinemascope, and rendered as a letter box within the DVD 4:3 frame, so when played via the Oppo, it displayed as a minuscule image in the middle of the screen i.e. as a letterbox inside a pillarbox; (the real image covering about one tenth of the full screen); the pillarbox side bars were at least digital black, but the letterbox top & bottom bars were a snowy ("analog") black signal. It looked absolutely awful...

It tried the Oppo's various zoom options, and also tried toggling 16:9 vs. Auto output, but was not able to find a setting that produced the correct final Cinemascope aspect ratio at the largest possible size on the screen.

Also I also suspect the Oppo's upscaler was being confused by the snowy letterbox top & bottom bars, and thus the rest of the image upscaling may have been compromised.

Does anyone have any tips on the best settings for this scenario?

(Apart from buying the blu-ray remaster of the movie -- not a great option because the critics say the remaster was lazy & lousy...)

The Full Screen zoom setting works for my 4:3 letterboxed titles. Your player must be set to Wide/Auto, and I don't believe it works with Source Direct.

-Bill
post #8265 of 16418
Thank you, wmcclain, for your comprehensive reply.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

HDMI 1.3 added a lip-sync function, but my impression is that Blu-ray does not use it. (I'm vague on that, so perhaps a look through the HDMI forum here is warranted).

It is not obvious to me that this would be a "blu-ray" issue, rather than an "Oppo" issue...

The HDMI 1.3 specs say that the destination device informs the source device how much delay its video processing is generating versus its audio processing. And they imply that the source device shall apply this same amount of delay to its audio to compensate.

So the question is whether the Oppo a) can see the delay signal from the destination device, and b) whether it actually responds to such signal by delaying its audio accordingly? I guess that it does not...

{ note: presumably if there are three cascaded devices (e.g. a blu-ray player, receiver, TV) then this process should be applied individually on each leg of the chain; so the interworking issues could be quite complex... }
post #8266 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The Full Screen zoom setting works for my 4:3 letterboxed titles. Your player must be set to Wide/Auto

I tried that, but I think the resulting image was still stretched widthways more than it was vertically; so the final aspect ratio was finally not quite right (the faces looked too broad)
post #8267 of 16418
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post


I tried that, but I think the resulting image was still stretched widthways more than it was vertically; so the final aspect ratio was finally not quite right (the faces looked too broad)

I just tried an old AVIA calibration DVD which is all 4:3 material. The letterbox pattern looks correct to me: with Full Screen zoom it is full screen width with no aspect ratio distortion.

Settings: 1080p, Wide/Auto, both HDMI1 & 2.

If you can show a reproducible case with a test pattern, get the information to OPPO.

-Bill
post #8268 of 16418
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

. . . .

And another related question. My receiver (a Yamaha) has a setup feature called "Lip Sync" for the HDMI inputs, that you can set to "Enable" / "Disable". I assume that when set to "Enable", it causes some kind of handshaking on the HDMI line between the receiver and the player (and/or between the receiver and the Tv) to align the audio and video signals. Does anyone know a) how this feature is supposed to work? And b) whether or not the Oppo supports it?

{ just so you know: I tried toggling "Lip Sync" between "Enable" and "Disable" but I don't notice anything different either way... }

HDMI V1.3 "Auto Lip Sync" is a pretty lame "feature" that generally works poorly. The intent is that a TV will tell the Yamaha, "I take so long to do my video processing that I'd like you to delay audio by such and so amount to compensate".

The reason it works poorly is that most TVs implement this as a single, constant "requested delay" value without regard to how their processing time changes according to settings users make in the TV or the format of video being sent to the TV. For example, some TVs take way longer to handle 1080p/24 input than 1080p/60 input (not for any particularly good reason, mind you). But typically the "requested delay" value the TV sends back to the AVR does NOT change.

Note that there's no sort of automated "checking" to make sure the resulting lip sync is correct. It's just a set value. If it's wrong, then the resulting sync is wrong, and no automated process "learns" what's going on or tries to fix that. And in particular, if there is sync error inherent in the content itself on disc (which happens more often than most people realize), the HDMI V1.3 auto lip sync feature won't do anything to correct that. (Typically sync that goes out of whack by differing amounts for each scene of the movie is sync error inherent in the content. It may even have been present in the original theatrical release.)

Typically, HDMI V1.3 auto lip sync this is enabled/disabled ONLY for the AVR's display output. I.e., should the AVR pay any attention to the (possibly bogus) "requested delay" value the TV is sending it? If your Yamaha is allowing you to implement it for the individual HDMI input sockets, I'm not sure what it is doing. Passing on the value the TV sends it? Passing on some value it creates? What if you are bypassing the AVR for video (cabled directly to TV) and only using the AVR for audio, THEN what value would it send?

In any event, I don't know of any Blu-ray players that do anything with such a value. The OPPO's certainly don't use it. Also note the value goes backwards down the HDMI chain. That is, a SOURCE device does not send such a value to the AVR. The values go in the other direction.

My recommendation is to disable such "automatic" stuff and make a manual adjustment setting, if needed, using a calibration chart to insure you are checking with content of known sync correctness. The chart on the Disney WOW World of Wonder calibration Blu-ray is a good one. If your AVR provides such a manual adjustment option, that's usually where you would set it. There is an adjustment available in the OPPO as well, but most Source devices won't offer that.
--Bob
post #8269 of 16418
Anyone bought a "region free" version of the Oppo 103 from 220-Electronics?
I have a lot of UK DVDs and this feature would be very useful for me.
post #8270 of 16418
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Anyone bought a "region free" version of the Oppo 103 from 220-Electronics?
I have a lot of UK DVDs and this feature would be very useful for me.

I bought a BDP-103 from Amazon and then modified it with a chip, which I bought from JVB Digital See Post #8250, my post from a couple of days ago, that explains what I did. I know nothing about 220-Electronics but can tell you what I paid for the BDP-103 plus the all regions modification chip totaled about $50 less than you would have to pay for a pre modified BDP-103 from 220-Electronics. Also, for the reasons I explained in my earlier post, stay far, far away from World Import.
post #8271 of 16418
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Originally Posted by IRJ View Post

Anyone bought a "region free" version of the Oppo 103 from 220-Electronics?
I have a lot of UK DVDs and this feature would be very useful for me.

For DVDs there is the free "Superdisc" software patch that works well. I use it without issue. It has no benefit for Blu-rays, though.

See the FAQ for details: Region Free Modifications

-Bill
post #8272 of 16418
Thanks guys. I like the idea of buying from a regular source with proper warranties etc:)
post #8273 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The -103/105 have supported GPT partitioning since day 1; this allows hard drives larger than 2TB.

There was a restriction that the player would not see partitions great than 2TB, but that was lifted in recent firmware.

-Bill

Do you know if this restriction was lifted on the -93/95 in the latest beta FW as well?
post #8274 of 16418
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(Apart from buying the blu-ray remaster of the movie -- not a great option because the critics say the remaster was lazy & lousy...)

What "critics" are you reading? You should stop reading them, because they are either blind, or idiots, or very likely both. The Dune Blu-ray is literally (and I literally mean "literally" in the proper use of that word) one hundred billion times better than the DVD you own. It's also at least 500 million times better than the last "remastered" DVD, which was so smothered in DNR that it had no textural detail at all left. The Blu-ray has no DNR at all, no edge enhancement at all, tons of detail and great colors.

Is the Blu-ray perfect? It has a few specks of dust that weren't digitally erased. Heavens to betsy.

The disc is currently $9 on Amazon. Buy it.
post #8275 of 16418
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Do you know if this restriction was lifted on the -93/95 in the latest beta FW as well?

No, I suspect that is a permanent restriction on the older players.

Note that if you use DLNA the player has no idea of the file system or sizes on the server.

-Bill
post #8276 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

What "critics" are you reading? You should stop reading them, because they are either blind, or idiots, or very likely both. The Dune Blu-ray is literally (and I literally mean "literally" in the proper use of that word) one hundred billion times better than the DVD you own. It's also at least 500 million times better than the last "remastered" DVD, which was so smothered in DNR that it had no textural detail at all left. The Blu-ray has no DNR at all, no edge enhancement at all, tons of detail and great colors.

Is the Blu-ray perfect? It has a few specks of dust that weren't digitally erased. Heavens to betsy.

The disc is currently $9 on Amazon. Buy it.

+1! The worst transfer ever made to BD still looks dramatically better than that of the best transfer to DVD ever made. Think the 1080p resolution of BDs and then think the 480p resolution of DVDs, even if they are upconverted to 1080p, and you will know what I mean.
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+1! The worst transfer ever made to BD still looks dramatically better than that of the best transfer to DVD ever made. Think the 1080p resolution of BDs and then think the 480p resolution of DVDs, even if they are upconverted to 1080p, and you will know what I mean.

Not that I prefer DVD over BD, but your statement is NOT a universal fact. I could point out several terrible BD transfers, but the first that comes to mind is one that was rather surprising. I have all 4 versions of Terminator 2 that were released on DVD and BD, and was hardly blown away by the BD transfer. In fact, I remember being more impressed with the 2003 steelbook DVD release (which claimed 1080p remastering back then). That was one of the sharpest DVDs I ever owned. The BD was merely a lazy studio transfer...not that I don't appreciate it nonetheless tongue.gif
post #8278 of 16418
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Not that I prefer DVD over BD, but your statement is NOT a universal fact. I could point out several terrible BD transfers, but the first that comes to mind is one that was rather surprising. I have all 4 versions of Terminator 2 that were released on DVD and BD, and was hardly blown away by the BD transfer. In fact, I remember being more impressed with the 2003 steelbook DVD release (which claimed 1080p remastering back then). That was one of the sharpest DVDs I ever owned. The BD was merely a lazy studio transfer...not that I don't appreciate it nonetheless tongue.gif

Yeah, although, for obvious reasons. the PQ of any BD is better than that of any DVD, lazy transfers to BD are frustrating nonetheless. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to happen as much with respect to more recent films.
post #8279 of 16418
My level of frustration with this player grows with each use. i really feel that for 500.00 I should not have to have a degree in computer science to get the thing running. I have tried to install oshare, that keeps crashing, ps3 media share doesn't work very smoothly ( My XBOX does a better job) in fact my xbox does a better job wirelessly than the Oppo does WIRED! I bought this to stream on my home network and play bluray.
post #8280 of 16418
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Originally Posted by scottc1992 View Post

My level of frustration with this player grows with each use. i really feel that for 500.00 I should not have to have a degree in computer science to get the thing running. I have tried to install oshare, that keeps crashing, ps3 media share doesn't work very smoothly ( My XBOX does a better job) in fact my xbox does a better job wirelessly than the Oppo does WIhrRED! I bought this to stream on my home network and play bluray.

Are you asking for help?

-Bill
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