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post #8881 of 16420
People say there is no diference in picture quality or audio quality if i change from my sony s790 to an oppo 103 but my question is,if i use the 5.1 analog output of the oppo,that will make a difference at least on audio quality?
post #8882 of 16420
Sidetracked -- Great post! You are right that shipping from Amazon UK isn't particularly expensive. The shipping of the 9 BD set of the Danish version of The Killing was only $4.71.

I was hoping to find an external all regions mod for my 103 but couldn't find one, so settled on the internal mod from JVB DIgital. Installation of the JVB Digital mod did require that I remove several screws from the back of the 103's cover and another 2 each from its sides but this was very easy to do. Once the cover was off and the case and motherboard exposed, the rest was easy. There is an empty 4 pin slot on the motherboard into which I plugged a connecter wired to the all regions chip. The chip came with a powerful adhesive on one side from which I removed the protective sheet and attached to the inside of the case. Once the cover was screwed back into place I was up and running.
post #8883 of 16420
Can you connect the oppo 103 to a power amp, I have sold my preamp my new preamp will not be here for another month
post #8884 of 16420
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

People say there is no diference in picture quality or audio quality if i change from my sony s790 to an oppo 103 but my question is,if i use the 5.1 analog output of the oppo,that will make a difference at least on audio quality?

The Oppo BDP-103 and Sony BDP-S790 were the final contenders for replacing my Sony BDP-S1. I ended up ordering the Oppo a few days ago. My primary consideration was getting a player that would do all the de-interlacing that my BDP-S1 would not. The S1 looks great on 1080p Blu-rays, but it doesn't do anything as far as recognizing film based material encoded in 1080i or 480i when de-interlacing and I've found that many Blu-ray discs include extras in 1080i or 480i even if the main feature is 1080p. I also have a number of film based DVDs, some of which I don't expect to be available on Blu-ray. I found a couple of reviews that show the Sony S790 fails to properly recognize 3-2 cadence with mixed flags, and to properly handle a video-to-film transition. One of those reviews also show that the S790 has some minor (probably imperceptible) variations from reference standards on video output (Y, Cb, Cr, R, G, B), and implies that these are firmware controllable (says the similar S590 had a significant RGB output error that was reduced to minor error with a firmware update). I found two reviews of the Oppo 103 that show specifically that it passed the 3-2 mixed flags and video-to-film transition tests, and one of those showed absolutely zero error on all the video output signals. So ultimately on the issue of video playback from disc, I reached the conclusion that the Sony S790 is excellent, and the Oppo 103 is reference. That combined with me being intrigued with Oppo since the BDP-83 was introduced pushed me over the edge toward the Oppo. If I already had a Sony BDP-S790, I'd find it nearly impossible to justify the Oppo. Of course I tend to buy exactly what I want and keep it for the long term, like the BDP-S1 that I've had for 6 1/2 years, rather than frequently upgrading.

The audio question is much more difficult to answer. I would expect the primary difference to be based on whether the Cirrus Logic CS4382 DAC in the Oppo is "better" than the DAC it would be passed to if you connect to your audio system via HDMI.
Edited by KC-Technerd - 5/16/13 at 11:05am
post #8885 of 16420
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Originally Posted by nucky View Post

Can you connect the oppo 103 to a power amp, I have sold my preamp my new preamp will not be here for another month

From what I understand the 5.1 analog outs are perfect for connecting directly to power amps. The BDP-103 will act as a basic preamp/audio processor with volume control, speaker distance/delay and level settings. From what I've read you might even end up liking it better that way than using a pre-amp.
post #8886 of 16420
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Originally Posted by nucky View Post

Can you connect the oppo 103 to a power amp, I have sold my preamp my new preamp will not be here for another month

I have my OPPO connected directly to my amp and love it.
post #8887 of 16420
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Originally Posted by 3DFREAK View Post

5/15/13 Just unpacked my refurb'ed103 ($419.00) ordered 5/9/13 and to my surprise it came loaded with firmware 38-1220 so I can play my SACD-R/DVD-A iso's wooooooooooooooo hoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very happy camper here!
Awesome machine.

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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Huh? How is that possible (playing DVD-A ISOs)?

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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Lucky you! smile.gif
Yes, that`s possible. Even still with the new firmware.
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

It's possible because firmware version 38-1220 was released, January 2, 2013. And the newer firmwares only affect playback of SACD-R.ISO files not DVD-A.ISO files...

EDIT: Opps... I missed Holzohr's post

I've followed this thread since the beginning and I guess I've just missed this nugget of information. The 103 can play DVD-A ISOs? I guess I just don't understand how that was possible with any firmware version. You're not talking about just streaming the contents of the DVD-A, but actually playing the ISO as if it was a disc with menus, etc., like the ISO-capable 93/95 players?

edit: or are you talking about ISO backups burned to a disc? {thumps hand on head}
Edited by scolumbo - 5/16/13 at 11:45am
post #8888 of 16420
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I've followed this thread since the beginning and I guess I've just missed this nugget of information. The 103 can play DVD-A ISOs? I guess I just don't understand how that was possible with any firmware version. You're not talking about just streaming the contents of the DVD-A, but actually playing the ISO as if it was a disc with menus, etc., like the ISO-capable 93/95 players?

People sometimes call burned discs "ISO" because that's where the data came from: an .iso file. I suspect that is what is happening here.

Once burned, it should be called plain DVD-A or DVD video or Blu-ray video, not ISO.

-Bill
post #8889 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

People sometimes call burned discs "ISO" because that's where the data came from: an .iso file. I suspect that is what is happening here.

Once burned, it should be called plain DVD-A or DVD video or Blu-ray video, not ISO.

-Bill

Exactly, once burned to a disc, it's not an ISO. It's a DVD-A with an AUDIO_TS folder structure, or in the case of DVD-V, it's VIDEO_TS.

edit: I suspect playback of DVD-A disc backups will never go away because Sony couldn't care less about DVD-A. wink.gif
Edited by scolumbo - 5/16/13 at 12:10pm
post #8890 of 16420
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The Oppo BDP-103 and Sony BDP-S790 were the final contenders for replacing my Sony BDP-S1. I ended up ordering the Oppo a few days ago. My primary consideration was getting a player that would do all the de-interlacing that my BDP-S1 would not. The S1 looks great on 1080p Blu-rays, but it doesn't do anything as far as recognizing film based material encoded in 1080i or 480i when de-interlacing and I've found that many Blu-ray discs include extras in 1080i or 480i even if the main feature is 1080p. I also have a number of film based DVDs, some of which I don't expect to be available on Blu-ray. I found a couple of reviews that show the Sony S790 fails to properly recognize 3-2 cadence with mixed flags, and to properly handle a video-to-film transition. One of those reviews also show that the S790 has some minor (probably imperceptible) variations from reference standards on video output (Y, Cb, Cr, R, G, B), and implies that these are firmware controllable (says the similar S590 had a significant RGB output error that was reduced to minor error with a firmware update). I found two reviews of the Oppo 103 that show specifically that it passed the 3-2 mixed flags and video-to-film transition tests, and one of those showed absolutely zero error on all the video output signals. So ultimately on the issue of video playback from disc, I reached the conclusion that the Sony S790 is excellent, and the Oppo 103 is reference. That combined with me being intrigued with Oppo since the BDP-83 was introduced pushed me over the edge toward the Oppo. If I already had a Sony BDP-S790, I'd find it nearly impossible to justify the Oppo. Of course I tend to buy exactly what I want and keep it for the long term, like the BDP-S1 that I've had for 6 1/2 years, rather than frequently upgrading.

The audio question is much more difficult to answer. I would expect the primary difference to be based on whether the Cirrus Logic CS4382 DAC in the Oppo is "better" than the DAC it would be passed to if you connect to your audio system via HDMI.

thank for info.so if i only want to use the s790 for blue ray play i dont really need a oppo but is the sound question that is something i cant understand
post #8891 of 16420
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The Oppo BDP-103 and Sony BDP-S790 were the final contenders for replacing my Sony BDP-S1. I ended up ordering the Oppo a few days ago. My primary consideration was getting a player that would do all the de-interlacing that my BDP-S1 would not. The S1 looks great on 1080p Blu-rays, but it doesn't do anything as far as recognizing film based material encoded in 1080i or 480i when de-interlacing and I've found that many Blu-ray discs include extras in 1080i or 480i even if the main feature is 1080p. I also have a number of film based DVDs, some of which I don't expect to be available on Blu-ray. I found a couple of reviews that show the Sony S790 fails to properly recognize 3-2 cadence with mixed flags, and to properly handle a video-to-film transition. One of those reviews also show that the S790 has some minor (probably imperceptible) variations from reference standards on video output (Y, Cb, Cr, R, G, B), and implies that these are firmware controllable (says the similar S590 had a significant RGB output error that was reduced to minor error with a firmware update). I found two reviews of the Oppo 103 that show specifically that it passed the 3-2 mixed flags and video-to-film transition tests, and one of those showed absolutely zero error on all the video output signals. So ultimately on the issue of video playback from disc, I reached the conclusion that the Sony S790 is excellent, and the Oppo 103 is reference. That combined with me being intrigued with Oppo since the BDP-83 was introduced pushed me over the edge toward the Oppo. If I already had a Sony BDP-S790, I'd find it nearly impossible to justify the Oppo. Of course I tend to buy exactly what I want and keep it for the long term, like the BDP-S1 that I've had for 6 1/2 years, rather than frequently upgrading.

The audio question is much more difficult to answer. I would expect the primary difference to be based on whether the Cirrus Logic CS4382 DAC in the Oppo is "better" than the DAC it would be passed to if you connect to your audio system via HDMI.

All old news. All fixed in firmware updates since mid last year.
post #8892 of 16420
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

I've purchased the 3 Musketeers and the 4 Musketeers, Pulp Fiction, and Open Range from Europe, either via Amazon UK or eBay. All BD, all work fine on the Oppo with no mod kit. The Oppo will play PAL.

It's true that a number of blu-rays, some made in America, some in Europe or Japan are region-free to start with
and will play on any blu-ray player.

I don't believe there is such a thing as NTSC or PAL with blu-ray. 1080p is 1080p. SD-DVDs are a different story.

The only situation where you could conceivably have an issue in terms of format is if a European blu-ray is 1080/50.
Some US screens can't deal with a 50 refresh rate, as opposed to 60 or 24. Not sure if the Oppo can do that conversion.

But on the issue of region locking, I think almost all of Universal's blu-rays are 'all-region' for example, even some that
are labeled as region specific.

Again, you can find out about a specific blu-ray, and if it really is region locked on one of the many review sites
or forums.
Edited by Sidetracked - 5/16/13 at 12:55pm
post #8893 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Sidetracked View Post

In fact, I don't believe there is such a thing as NTSC or PAL with blu-ray.
1080p is 1080p.

People sometimes use "PAL" as a shorthand for 50hz, which is not quite right, but very common.

Import Blu-rays do sometimes have 1080i50 main features, just as we sometimes have 1080i60. It's not the most common case, but neither is it rare.

All of the OPPO BR players have handled 1080i50 and will optionally convert it to 60hz. Presuming region coding is correct.

-Bill
Edited by wmcclain - 5/16/13 at 1:36pm
post #8894 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

People sometimes use "PAL" as a shorthand for 50hz, which is not quite right, but very common.

Import Blu-rays do sometimes have 1080i50 main features, just as we sometimes have 1080i60. It's not the most common case, but neither is it rare.

All of the OPPO BR players have handled 1080i50 and will optional convert it to 60hz. Presuming region coding is correct.

Most BD players have no trouble with 1080i/50hz. Unfortunately, I learned the hard way that the PS3 isn't one of them. I bought the Sherlock BDs from Amazon UK but although they were All Regions encoded, they wouldn't play on my PS3. When I lent them to my daughter, though, they played perfectly on her family's Panasonic BD player. Obviously, they work fine on my 103. In fact, thanks to my all regions mod, I haven't found a BD yet that the 103 couldn't handle.
post #8895 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

People sometimes use "PAL" as a shorthand for 50hz, which is not quite right, but very common.
Indeed... If you play a 720x576 source, and press the 'Info' button you'll see that Oppo uses the term 'PAL' too...
post #8896 of 16420
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

All old news. All fixed in firmware updates since mid last year.

From what I'm seeing in the information below, the BDP-S790 still showed some very small errors in output levels after the firmware updates that the Oppo does not. That is what I was speaking to. Information from Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. In my opinion this doesn't keep the Sony from being an excellent player.

Sony BDP-S790
The Sony BDP-S790 Blu-ray Player On The Bench

OPPO BDP-103
The Oppo BDP-103 Blu-ray Player on The Bench
post #8897 of 16420
One concern I have with 790 is its brightness setting on my vt50 did not match the same result as my OPPO 103, panasonic bdt 500, or a professional calibrator. That bothers me a little.
post #8898 of 16420
Quote:
People say there is no diference in picture quality or audio quality if i change from my sony s790 to an oppo 103 but my question is,if i use the 5.1 analog output of the oppo,that will make a difference at least on audio quality?

stay with the Sony unless you want the inputs from Oppo and DVD audio. You can add a Darbee to the Sony for more details.
post #8899 of 16420
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

One concern I have with 790 is its brightness setting on my vt50 did not match the same result as my OPPO 103, panasonic bdt 500, or a professional calibrator. That bothers me a little.

I have both the Sony BDP S790 and the OPPO 103. To me, hands down, the OPPO provides a better Bluray picture with better luminance and color. And I was a big Sony fan as I was able to acquire the player for a relatively low cost a while back.

I have them both in my setup - - but I rarely use the Sony anymore (just for Amazon Prime streaming) as the OPPO just seems - - to my eyes - - to be sharper and more detailed (and with more features.) I have the Darbee Darblet at the end of my chain.

I also looked at the Amazon UK web site and they have some interesting movies in Bluray that are not available in the states. By "Region Free," I assume that they will play in any player - - the OPPO 103 included? It sounds like a great way to augment your Bluray collections with classics that are not Bluray quality in the U.S.
Edited by Ricoflashback - 5/16/13 at 4:06pm
post #8900 of 16420
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Indeed... If you play a 720x576 source, and press the 'Info' button you'll see that Oppo uses the term 'PAL' too...

720x576 is PAL. It is not an HD format but an SD one. That is the widescreen PAL output. 576 is the normal PAL horizontal resolution and equivalent to 480 for NTSC. PAL always had higher resolution than NTSC (part of the reason is because it came along later). That's why a lot of PAL standard DVDs can upscale a lot better than NTSC ones.
post #8901 of 16420
After reading all the good reasons for making the all-region mod on my 103, I've decided to do it. I wonder if there are any technical or ease-of-use differences between the JVB chip and that from IMGGSTORE. I see there is currently a sale on the second one and will probably go for that if there are no basic differences. Thanks again for all the good responses to my initial question. I learned a lot.
post #8902 of 16420
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Originally Posted by sourbeef View Post

I could swear at one point when I pressed the Input button on the remote that the ROKU was displayed as "ROKU" in the drop down menu. Now when I press Input the menu just says HDMI/MHL In-Front. Odd.

I know this thread is bloated with information but this seems to be resolved now. How it happened I am unsure but I have a theory I will share. Whenever I did firmware updates I usually didn't do the Reset Settings thing. Well the last firmware update I did it afterwards since it was so recommended by so many on here...anyhow after doing that I got my ROKU to show in the dropdown menu like I knew it to be in the past, and the ROKU icon also shows in the Home Menu like it did in the beginning....hope it helps someone else.smile.gif
post #8903 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Lucky you! smile.gif
Yes, that`s possible. Even still with the new firmware.

How do u rip your dvda's to ISO (on a Mac preferably).. Would love to be able to backup my collection.
post #8904 of 16420
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Originally Posted by astrogeeker View Post


How do u rip your dvda's to ISO (on a Mac preferably).. Would love to be able to backup my collection.

Any DVD backup tool should be able to handle DVD-A.

At the bottom of this topic in the BDP-93 FAQ: What are the alternatives to .iso files? ...are two utilities for converting DVD-A to other formats. The second one, DVD Audio Extractor, is cross platform.

-Bill
post #8905 of 16420
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Any DVD backup tool should be able to handle DVD-A.

-Bill

Actually, no they won't. Most will only rip the DVD-V content. It requires a bit-for-bit ISO rip of the disc to get the DVD-A content. The most common solution is DVDFab "DVD Copy" in clone mode. Very few others can do it. AnyDVD cannot.
post #8906 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I have both the Sony BDP S790 and the OPPO 103. To me, hands down, the OPPO provides a better Bluray picture with better luminance and color. And I was a big Sony fan as I was able to acquire the player for a relatively low cost a while back.

I have them both in my setup - - but I rarely use the Sony anymore (just for Amazon Prime streaming) as the OPPO just seems - - to my eyes - - to be sharper and more detailed (and with more features.) I have the Darbee Darblet at the end of my chain.

I also looked at the Amazon UK web site and they have some interesting movies in Bluray that are not available in the states. By "Region Free," I assume that they will play in any player - - the OPPO 103 included? It sounds like a great way to augment your Bluray collections with classics that are not Bluray quality in the U.S.

so that defeats what everybody said about blu ray picture quality (a $80 blu ray player will do the same as a $500 blu ray player) because its a digital signal ans 1's and 0's are will always be 1's and 0's so there is no difference between them and.as they always said..if you see a diference is a placebo effect!!! so....if you have both units and you said you see a much sharper and more detailed image with the oppo then I don't know what to think,but thanks for your advise.
post #8907 of 16420
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I have both the Sony BDP S790 and the OPPO 103. To me, hands down, the OPPO provides a better Bluray picture with better luminance and color. And I was a big Sony fan as I was able to acquire the player for a relatively low cost a while back.

I have them both in my setup - - but I rarely use the Sony anymore (just for Amazon Prime streaming) as the OPPO just seems - - to my eyes - - to be sharper and more detailed (and with more features.) I have the Darbee Darblet at the end of my chain.

I also looked at the Amazon UK web site and they have some interesting movies in Bluray that are not available in the states. By "Region Free," I assume that they will play in any player - - the OPPO 103 included? It sounds like a great way to augment your Bluray collections with classics that are not Bluray quality in the U.S.

so that defeats what everybody said about blu ray picture quality (a $80 blu ray player will do the same as a $500 blu ray player) because its a digital signal ans 1's and 0's are will always be 1's and 0's so there is no difference between them and.as they always said..if you see a diference is a placebo effect!!! so....if you have both units and you said you see a much sharper and more detailed image with the oppo then I don't know what to think,but thanks for your advise.
post #8908 of 16420
No they all implement different video processors that screw around with the 1s and 0s, sometimes intentionally, sometimes there are errors.
post #8909 of 16420
are those errors large enough to see it?
post #8910 of 16420
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

are those errors large enough to see it?
If you depend on human perception to answer that question, then there will be confusion by definition. eek.gif

But who is going to do double blind testing of all the principle Blu-ray players? wink.gif
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