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post #9061 of 16443
Jr media server via dlna to oppo to my Integra 80.2 stereo PCM works great. Files are stored as Flac in my server.
post #9062 of 16443
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I would say they are equivalently robust for disc playback. A lot of the reported problems are with the new digital inputs; OPPO is still trying to get everyone's cable box working at the same time.
Thank you sir. I hoped the reported problems were more isolated than epidemic. What those OPPO engineers must go through trying to stay on top of the problems caused by the various interfaces. I suppose they did ask for it by designing a universal media player.
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Netflix: not sure. Reports vary widely.

-Bill

Not overly concerned with Netflix - I will just run it through ROKU.

The HDMI input intrigued me as I hoped it would improve the directv, but maybe not. Anyway, I appreciate your input and placed my order.
post #9063 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

dreaux,

If the OPPO is sending 4K, then the LG is not also "upscaling" to 4K since the video is already at that resolution. It is simply lighting up the pixels with the 4K input from the OPPO. The LG is only upscaling if it is receiving less than 4K video from the source (the OPPO in this case).

"Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray discs do not contain 4K content, of course. They contain the same 1080p content of every other Blu-ray movie disc.

This is the same game the studios played when HDTVs and upscaling SD-DVD players first came out. The marketed regular SD-DVDs (480i content) as "Mastered in HD" or "Mastered in 1080p". Basically that meant the work flow leading up to putting the content on disc was using that resolution -- which is no surprise, as that's pretty much the way ALL those discs were made ANYWAY! But the result was still DOWN-scaled to 480i to go on the SD-DVD disc. Similarly, "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray discs are DOWN-scaled to 1080p to go onto the Blu-ray disc.

This is not to say the "Mastered in 4K" discs might not look better. There are lots of ways to screw up a film's transfer to Blu-ray -- just as there were for SD-DVD transfers. If a "Mastered in 4K" transfer is made with more than normal care and attention to detail it can still look better than a run of the mill transfer to Blu-ray. And that starts with scanning the film into digital format. It is quite likely, but by no means guaranteed, that a 4K scan will look better than a "normal" film scan. And that would be just as true when displayed on a normal, 1080p HDTV as when using a new, 4K-capable display.

If the new "Mastered in 4K" transfer is compared against an older, quick and dirty, transfer from back when Blu-ray was new (i.e., back when studios knew customers would buy just about ANYTHING with a Blu-ray logo on it), then the odds are good the new transfer will look better simply because it was "done right" -- 4Kishness notwithstanding.

There's nothing wrong with being happy that studios are finally putting out some decent transfers. But don't fall into the trap of believing you can only enjoy the results if you've forked out for a 4K display.

And just as with "Mastered in HD" SD-DVDs, it won't take long for studios to realize they can slap the "Mastered in 4K" label on crappy transfers, too! Knowing full well there are folks who will buy them just for that label. So read reviews and be as careful in your disc choices as always. "Mastered in 4K" is by no means a guarantee of transfer quality.
--Bob

Now that makes sense, "If the OPPO is sending 4K, then the LG is not also "upscaling" to 4K since the video is already at that resolution. It is simply lighting up the pixels with the 4K input from the OPPO. The LG is only upscaling if it is receiving less than 4K video from the source (the OPPO in this case)". If I would have real 2160p source then it would not be up scaling. So you are saying if the LG sees a 4K source....in this case, the Oppo 4K up scale, the the LG would think it is a 4K source?

On the 'Mastered in 4K' I did notice a large improvement in detail but you're right. Its only as good as the source and how well it is transferred. Lets hope they don't abuse it. The selection now is not very good.
Do they transfer at a higher bitrate?

I got the LG UltraHD set because I was so impressed with its up scaling abilities, I was well aware there is no 2160p content out there other than those using a PC and pulling up 4K on Youtube.
The PQ on this set is outstanding. I am coming from a Sharp Elite 70". It is difficult to see any pixels.
But it doesn't have a display port and will not have HDMI 2.0 ....although LG is hinting that it may switch out some hardware when HDMI 2.0 comes out with it higher frame rate. Right now it will on do 30fps.
Perhaps the new codec H.265 will make a difference.

I am very impressed with the PQ of the set and when real 2160p material comes available that will be a plus. I will try the Oppo 4K up scale again and if what you say is true I will be seeing just the Oppo scaling.
post #9064 of 16443
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Originally Posted by bigdogaxis View Post

Now that olddude put my mind at ease, I ordered a 103 for the HT in place of my 93 that is moving to the family room. I wondered if the Mi4k discs would activate the 4k QDEO, but sounds like it doesn't; prob why you didn't see a difference.
The 1080p inputs are likely for today and the 2160p for "tomorrow" aka whenever 4k source makes its way to the public. Not to burst your bubble, but there are many who think 4k may never happen.

The 2160p inputs are for today if you want your video up scaled to 2160p and who wouldn't, thats why I can't understand why they have 2 HDMI inputs for 1080p. On the LG 4K all 4 HDMI's are up scaling to 2160p.

I think 4K will take off because there is money in it. Manufacturers need something new to keep sales going, sets sales have plateaued with 1080p and a little pop from 3D. Sony, LG and others are making smaller 4K sets coming out later this year.
Sony has 2 the 55" and 65" and not sure 4K really works that well on the smaller set. I guess you have to sit closer to those sets but that won't happen.
post #9065 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

dreaux,

If the OPPO is sending 4K, then the LG is not also "upscaling" to 4K since the video is already at that resolution. It is simply lighting up the pixels with the 4K input from the OPPO. The LG is only upscaling if it is receiving less than 4K video from the source (the OPPO in this case).
So, does the OPPO upscale 1080p to 4k?
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"Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray discs are DOWN-scaled to 1080p to go onto the Blu-ray disc. If the new "Mastered in 4K" transfer is compared against an older, quick and dirty, transfer from back when Blu-ray was new (i.e., back when studios knew customers would buy just about ANYTHING with a Blu-ray logo on it), then the odds are good the new transfer will look better simply because it was "done right" -- 4Kishness notwithstanding.
Some recent transfers look to be "quick and dirty."
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So read reviews and be as careful in your disc choices as always. "Mastered in 4K" is by no means a guarantee of transfer quality.
--Bob
Thanks Bob. I was happy with 3/4 of the Mi4k discs I bought. It's funny how 1080p/HD/Mastered in 4k all translate to caveat emptor. If we extrapolate the evidence you presented, then we may conclude that 4k material quality will be just as suspect.
post #9066 of 16443
^ Yes, the 103 and 105 will upscale to 4K x 2K output for HDMI video to new, 4K displays. And yes, that's true even if the content was 1080p to begin with.
--Bob
post #9067 of 16443
Thanks for your insights Bob
post #9068 of 16443
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

The 2160p inputs are for today if you want your video up scaled to 2160p and who wouldn't, thats why I can't understand why they have 2 HDMI inputs for 1080p. On the LG 4K all 4 HDMI's are up scaling to 2160p.
Got it, the Sony has two of each - weird.
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I think 4K will take off because there is money in it. Manufacturers need something new to keep sales going, sets sales have plateaued with 1080p and a little pop from 3D. Sony, LG and others are making smaller 4K sets...not sure 4K really works that well on the smaller set. I guess you have to sit closer to those sets but that won't happen.
I agree that 4k is coming whether anybody wants it or not - I do. The question is when. You mentioned HDMI 2.0 which I think is just one of the major hurdles to 4k. You hit on another with viewing size - bigger is better with 4k. Other hurdles are media sources: will it be discs, streaming, download then stream? All of which may lead to another format war.

That said, the majority of my family, friends, and acquaintances are happy with streaming "HD" content to their TV. Now most of them are buying digital media and streaming from the cloud. For them it's convenience, for us it's quality.
post #9069 of 16443
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

In the player setup, under 3D settings, look for the option to blank HDMI-2.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Check OPPO's nifty new collection of Knowledge Base articles for the BDP-103:

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx

You'll find one specific to your issue, with the fix posted by RDGRIMES above.

What's going on is that certain AVRs have a known bug in their HDMI implementation. Simply put, they say they can accept a signal they can't really accept. The symptom is just as you describe -- loss of audio, but only when playing 3D content while using a 2 HDMI cable configuration.

Rather than wait for those AVRs to fix their own firmware, OPPO added the Blank HDMI 2 option which keeps those AVRs happy.
--Bob

Thanks guy's,Will try it and see if something happens.
Appreciate the effort.
post #9070 of 16443
Hi guys these days i will receive my oppo 103 and im wondering something.if i want to hear music (cd) is better to do it thru the HDMI or i should use the analog output to my receiver (yamaha rxa-820).thanks
post #9071 of 16443
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

Hi guys these days i will receive my oppo 103 and im wondering something.if i want to hear music (cd) is better to do it thru the HDMI or i should use the analog output to my receiver (yamaha rxa-820).thanks

There's no pat answer, because it depends on what the Yamaha might do differently for the two forms of input. The best bet is to try it yourself and see if you can hear a difference you prefer one way or the other. Configuring the HDMI audio will probably be less confusing than configuring the Analog audio. Note that you will have to match volume carefully both ways, to avoid the common trap that "louder" always sounds "better".
--Bob
post #9072 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There's no pat answer, because it depends on what the Yamaha might do differently for the two forms of input. The best bet is to try it yourself and see if you can hear a difference you prefer one way or the other. Configuring the HDMI audio will probably be less confusing than configuring the Analog audio. Note that you will have to match volume carefully both ways, to avoid the common trap that "louder" always sounds "better".
--Bob

thanks bob you are the best.do i need an expensive analog RCA cable for a good comparation?
post #9073 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ How do you calibrate your display for both color gamuts? (This of course is on top of the problem of calibrating for proper contrast from both 2D and 3D content.)
--Bob

Bob, Strangely my 2008 Sony TV is xvYCC capable. It appears to me that calibrating the display for the standard HD color gamut would automatically calibrate the xvYCC color gamut. My understanding is the representation of the ITU-R BT.709 color gamut remains unchanged exactly as it is. Chromaticity coordinates for the RGB primary colors and reference white at D65 remain unchanged. There is no difference in the encoding of color information within the 709 gamut whether xvYCC is used or not. Therefore calibration would remain exactly the same. When xvYCC calls for a color outside the 709 gamut it utilizes YCC values that correspond to negative RGB values, and that aren't otherwise valid values under BT. 709.

Here's a webpage with more specific info on the technology: xvYCC Extended-gamut Color Space for Video Applications

Also a wikipedia article: xvYCC
post #9074 of 16443
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

thanks bob you are the best.do i need an expensive analog RCA cable for a good comparation?

You can buy an inexpensive set of RCA's. You don't need to buy expensive ones.

I got my RCA's from bluejeanscable.com.
post #9075 of 16443
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There's no pat answer, because it depends on what the Yamaha might do differently for the two forms of input. The best bet is to try it yourself and see if you can hear a difference you prefer one way or the other. Configuring the HDMI audio will probably be less confusing than configuring the Analog audio. Note that you will have to match volume carefully both ways, to avoid the common trap that "louder" always sounds "better".
--Bob

thanks bob you are the best.do i need an expensive analog RCA cable for a good comparation?

No, you do not need exotic cables. But it IS important that you get decent, *SHIELDED* RCA cables, not the really cheapo, unshielded throwaway cables often included in the box with various consumer electronics products.

Blue Jeans Cable and Monoprice (both AVS Forum sponsors) have perfectly reasonable, shielded RCA cables at practical prices. Typically these will be called "Interconnect" cables -- for carrying the lower voltage, "line-level" audio signals that connect between pieces of electronics, such as source device to pre-amp or pre-amp to power amp.
--Bob
post #9076 of 16443
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ How do you calibrate your display for both color gamuts? (This of course is on top of the problem of calibrating for proper contrast from both 2D and 3D content.)
--Bob

Bob, Strangely my 2008 Sony TV is xvYCC capable. It appears to me that calibrating the display for the standard HD color gamut would automatically calibrate the xvYCC color gamut. My understanding is the representation of the ITU-R BT.709 color gamut remains unchanged exactly as it is. Chromaticity coordinates for the RGB primary colors and reference white at D65 remain unchanged. There is no difference in the encoding of color information within the 709 gamut whether xvYCC is used or not. Therefore calibration would remain exactly the same. When xvYCC calls for a color outside the 709 gamut it utilizes YCC values that correspond to negative RGB values, and that aren't otherwise valid values under BT. 709.

Here's a webpage with more specific info on the technology: xvYCC Extended-gamut Color Space for Video Applications

Also a wikipedia article: xvYCC

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there often is. Real world display devices have all sorts of quirks, and display calibration is frequently the art of compromise.

The color space definition is defined for compatibility, but whether that translates into one calibration fits both for any given display I think is going to be a much tougher nut to crack. For example, does a display really produce linear response into the extended gamut range? Are compromises needed for best xvYCC results that screw up REC 709 limited content?

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. For a start, we'll need some xvYCC encoded calibration discs.
--Bob
post #9077 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This is not to say the "Mastered in 4K" discs might not look better. There are lots of ways to screw up a film's transfer to Blu-ray -- just as there were for SD-DVD transfers. If a "Mastered in 4K" transfer is made with more than normal care and attention to detail it can still look better than a run of the mill transfer to Blu-ray. And that starts with scanning the film into digital format. It is quite likely, but by no means guaranteed, that a 4K scan will look better than a "normal" film scan. And that would be just as true when displayed on a normal, 1080p HDTV as when using a new, 4K-capable display.

Hmmm. If one knew in advance what upscaling algorithm the player will use for its up transfer from 1080p to 4k, then the engineer could use an "anti- algorithm" on the down transfer from 4k to 1080p so that the two algorithms would cancel each other out.

However it might look awful in regular 1080p, when the player would not be applying the second part of the "anti- algorithm" / algorithm chain wink.gif
post #9078 of 16443

I just had my Pioneer Kuro Elite Plasma calibrated tonight by Dave Abrams of AVCal. My system has a Darbee at the output of my Anthem D2v with the Oppo 105 as the source device.

 

After the calibration, we plugged in the latest Spears & Munsil video test disk(from Oppo/Amazon) for I wanted to know two things:

 

1. Which hdmi output of the Oppo is more accurate?

 

2. What is the effect of the Darbee as seen by the S&M disk.

 

 

I was really surprised to SEE that HDMI 1 (with default QDEO processing settings) was most precise in terms of color accuracy and sharpness (or frequency response). HDMI 2 showed slightly more color saturation at the highest frequencies and was not as sharp(frequency response has a roll off towards the high end, both vertically and horizontally).

 

This refutes the claims we've had here on the forum that HDMI2 output of the Oppo which uses the Mediatek SOC is the most precise/natural looking video output. The S&M pattern tests simply prove otherwise.

 

The Darbee was bypassed in all these tests. HDMI1 is the most accurate of the two outputs as the newer S&M test patterns clearly showed and would counsel folks to use it as their primary video output.

 

With it in the video chain, the Darbee's effect are clearly seen in the Zone pattern tests but they are rather minor (I used HD 50% setting).

 

Dave Abrams spent a full day recently with Joe Kane of JK Productions (maker of the DVE: HD Basics video calibration disks amongst other things) to evaluate the Darbee unit. Both of these guys are ultra video purists of the "no enhancement processors needed in the video chain" type. They could see the effects of the Darbee in the Zone plate tests but when they looked at actual video material, they LOVED it... an emotion they couldn't explain, being the video purists they are.

 

They said the Darbee was the best and least intrusive video enhancement device they've ever seen and wouldn't mind having one in their system ... only if their ultra-purist pride would allow them to(which sadly, it wouldn't).

 

All the above tests were done in RGB color space from the Oppo ->Anthem D2v->Kuro plasma.


Edited by dmusoke - 5/22/13 at 1:37am
post #9079 of 16443
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

Hi guys these days i will receive my oppo 103 and im wondering something.if i want to hear music (cd) is better to do it thru the HDMI or i should use the analog output to my receiver (yamaha rxa-820).thanks

I also have a 103 and a rx-a820. I use the HDMI outs from the 103 and let the Yamaha do the decoding. It sounds great!

It is also better since when the rx-a820 is fed a digital signal, it can do all of Yamaha's renowned digital domain processing for speaker equalisation, and signal steering to simulate different listening halls etc.

Edit: I did not check the specs but it may even be the case that if you feed it with an analag input, the Yamaha might be converting it to digital, then applying its own audio processing, and finally converting back again to analog again. Although, the Yamaha "Pure Direct" setting probably switches that off.
Edited by AndrewFG - 5/22/13 at 1:41am
post #9080 of 16443
Thnks for the info i'll try both!!
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

I also have a 103 and a rx-a820. I use the HDMI outs from the 103 and let the Yamaha do the decoding. It sounds great!

It is also better since when the rx-a820 is fed a digital signal, it can do all of Yamaha's renowned digital domain processing for speaker equalisation, and signal steering to simulate different listening halls etc.

Edit: I did not check the specs but it may even be the case that if you feed it with an analag input, the Yamaha might be converting it to digital, then applying its own audio processing, and finally converting back again to analog again. Although, the Yamaha "Pure Direct" setting probably switches that off.
post #9081 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No, you do not need exotic cables. But it IS important that you get decent, *SHIELDED* RCA cables, not the really cheapo, unshielded throwaway cables often included in the box with various consumer electronics products.

Blue Jeans Cable and Monoprice (both AVS Forum sponsors) have perfectly reasonable, shielded RCA cables at practical prices. Typically these will be called "Interconnect" cables -- for carrying the lower voltage, "line-level" audio signals that connect between pieces of electronics, such as source device to pre-amp or pre-amp to power amp.
--Bob

ok i will order them ASAP!!!THANKS
post #9082 of 16443
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Originally Posted by MGbert View Post

Sorry for the noobie questions, but I'm having trouble finding this out by any other means. I'm really interested in one of these Oppo BDP-103's primarily as a Redbook CD transport, secondly as a digital music file (WAV files, mostly, on a USB hard drive) and thirdly as a DVD player. My only experience with an older Oppo was that the player would not play a Redbook CD gaplessly. I can understand it not supporting gapless as a file server, but that is a deal breaker if it can't do CDs gaplessly. Has Oppo fixed this in the 103, or is it still an issue?

And would anyone care to comment on the Oppo software as a file server for music files? Thanks for indulging me in my first posting here.

MGbert

I have oppo 980H (dvd upscaling player) and it plays CD gapless, the same oppo 103. I have big collection of CD's, yesterday I listened to Pink Floyd The Wall...
post #9083 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

You can buy an inexpensive set of RCA's. You don't need to buy expensive ones.

I got my RCA's from bluejeanscable.com.

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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

ok i will order them ASAP!!!THANKS

I've been using Blue Jeans Cable (an AVS sponsor like someone mentioned above..) for years - never ever had an issue, and I like the built quality of their cables, definitely worth taking a look at their website..
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re. blu-ray region mods:

a few weeks ago i bought a BDP-103 from 220-electronics;
in the box was included a sheet giving the necessary instructions to change regions to either A or B or C.

most of my blu-ray discs are region A or All Region, and they all play well, but today i received in the mail a region B movie: The Pianist/StudioCanal Collection sold in the UK.

i put it in my player, which is supposedly set to Region A and, without changing to Region B, it played ok.
it seems that the mod from that company does not need changing region, it's done automatically.

you sure the disc wasn't all region....Zavvi.com list all its blu-ray as region B locked but a lot are region free...Here is a list from region B that are locked and or free Here also the tabs at the top can be changed to region C and A as well

Hidefninja.com has better resources on this if your a member and ask for permission to be allowed to use there collection manager


there's a sheet fixed on the booklet that came with the Blu-ray disc and it says "B".

before i ordered the movie, i checked on at least 3 different sites and they all said "B".

 

is there a way to check that up somewhere on the disc itself ? that would be the surest way to tell.


Edit: I just checked on the disc itself, and only the "B" icon is printed.

       can anyone confirm this auto changing region ?

post #9086 of 16443
I am unaware of any Blu-Ray player that can auto-change BD region. I suspect your disc is really not region-encoded. The label on the disc cover is not always definitive. If you have a Blu-Ray capability on a computer you could use a program like MediaInfo to get information on the disc's encoding.
post #9087 of 16443
Loving this machine!
I was wondering if there is a remote button to "switch" video modes other than going into setup?
I've got mode1 set to defaults (all at 0) and mode 2 set to Sharpness +1 and brightness +2 all other options at default 0.
Don't see it in the manual.....thanks and lots of great info here.
post #9088 of 16443
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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

re. blu-ray region mods:

a few weeks ago i bought a BDP-103 from 220-electronics;
in the box was included a sheet giving the necessary instructions to change regions to either A or B or C.

most of my blu-ray discs are region A or All Region, and they all play well, but today i received in the mail a region B movie: The Pianist/StudioCanal Collection sold in the UK.

i put it in my player, which is supposedly set to Region A and, without changing to Region B, it played ok.
it seems that the mod from that company does not need changing region, it's done automatically.

I have the UK StudioCanal version of The Pianist and it will not play in my Oppo 103 with the JVB Digital mod if the region is set to A.

I'm a layman as far as video technology is concerned, but I doubt very much that there is any commercially available mod which is capable of reading the region coding of a specific disc and automatically adjusting to the same. If this assumption is correct, your experience is inexplicable (to me).
post #9089 of 16443

just to be sure about this, i'll take the disc to a friend who has a region A only BDP-83.

will report back...

 

Edit: maybe the mod makes the player an "all region" player !

post #9090 of 16443
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Originally Posted by 3DFREAK View Post

Loving this machine!
I was wondering if there is a remote button to "switch" video modes other than going into setup?
I've got mode1 set to defaults (all at 0) and mode 2 set to Sharpness +1 and brightness +2 all other options at default 0.
Don't see it in the manual.....thanks and lots of great info here.

If you press and hold SETUP you'll get the Picture Adjustment screen, but you have to go through HDMI1 vs 2 first, and then manually select the mode.

There might be a way with a programmable remote. OPPO's remote code spread sheet (http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP103/BDP-103_BDP-105_Remote_Code_v1.1.xls) has this on the Notes tab:
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2. For selecting a picture adjustment preset mode, please program a code sequence of "Picture Adj." + Numeric key 1 or 2 + Numeric key 1, 2 or 3 + "SETUP". The first numeric key selects which HDMI output to adjust, and the second numeric key selects a preset picture mode.

Learning "Picture Adj." on the new remote may be difficult, since it is a press and hold command on the OPPO remote; do learning remotes handle that? It would be different if you could enter the hex values directly.

-Bill
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