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post #9181 of 16434
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Originally Posted by JamesrSkinner View Post

Is there a network automation interface available on the BDP-103? For example is the serial port command set available via a TCP port? The Oppo iPhone app clearly talks to something. Is it documented some where?
IP commands are not documented but the RS232 commands are available on their website. I am controlling my 103 via IP but currently it doesn't support discreet power on/off & no live feedback is available at this time. There has been no word from Oppo if or when exactly these features will be implemented & made public (I have asked them already). Hope this helps.
post #9182 of 16434
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Originally Posted by globalnomad View Post

It doesn't sound like you have an SMB share in your setup, but if you want more flexibility with playlists you may want to consider it. I posted a work around using Foobar's very handy Link feature that allows you to make a playlist (really a folder with shadow copies (hard links) of your files numbered in playlist order) to serve up to the OPPO. These files don't actually take space. This is how I currently consume my music via OPPO.

Thanks, Nomad. I do realize that greater "flexibility" could be afforded through networking my computer and its Internet access with my AV devices... but I'm not really interested in all of the distractions, complications (and the commensurate problems -- judging from the thousands of posts in this forum) that come with setting up and using a home network to do so.

My primary interest in having as good of an Audio/Video system as I do, is that I love film and music as art forms, and I want my listening and viewing experiences to be as close to "original" as they can be, given a reasonable income.

As I've indicated in several of my posts, I'm strictly a shiny-disc user. As far as the "space-saving" aspect of converting my film collection to files on hard-drives is concerned... by way of analogy, my library of books is much larger than my library of films, and the thing is -- I like seeing them. Browsing shelves of books (or DVDs), for me, is fun. Picking up a book (or a DVD case) allows the look and the contents of its cover, and the feel of it in my hands, to bring forth a wave of recognition and identity that, for me, could never be engendered by an image on a monitor.

Also... as a film-buff, I do occasionally enjoy the "extras" that many discs provide, but the added "benefit" of internet-based features like BD Live simply have no appeal. I'm a life-long reader... and as such, I've been enthralled and captivated by good stories since I first learned to understand speech. Consequently, when I'm watching a film, I'm "IN" the film.

So what's important to me, is the film itself. If I want more information about it... I can always look it up later.

And the same holds true for me for music. If I'm watching a music DVD, I'm no longer in my livingroom... I'm at the concert. When I'm listening to purely-audio music, after I've accomplished the playback setup using the TV monitor, I turn the monitor off. So I'm sitting, listening, with my eyes closed... and again, for me, it becomes a live performance.

What the use of the Oppo's USB-playlist function has done, is allow me to enjoy longer periods of immersion into the music, without the necessity of being limited to having to get up and change the CD. I do have an older Yamaha 5-disc player that has a very limited (two-track-per-disc) multi-disc Shuffle function, but that's a fairly severe limitation. And of course, the Oppo's audio output is better than the Yamaha. With the new USB playlist capability, I can now create playback lists and mixes of any variety and duration that I desire. That functionality is quite frankly all I need.

Last February, in my first AVS Forum post, I talked about how thrilled I was with the 103's superior performance and characteristics... and that I couldn't possibly be happier with it.

Guess what.

I am!
post #9183 of 16434
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

As I've indicated in several of my posts, I'm strictly a shiny-disc user. As far as the "space-saving" aspect of converting my film collection to files on hard-drives is concerned... by way of analogy, my library of books is much larger than my library of films, and the thing is -- I like seeing them. Browsing shelves of books (or DVDs), for me, is fun. Picking up a book (or a DVD case) allows the look and the contents of its cover, and the feel of it in my hands, to bring forth a wave of recognition and identity that, for me, could never be engendered by an image on a monitor.
Consequently, when I'm watching a film, I'm "IN" the film.

 

I very much agree with this. For example, I steer far and away from e-books because I love the feel and smell of books - especially old ones. Also, I love to completely ignore the real world and become absorbed in a film. It's one of the reasons I still haven't purchased the Extended Edition LoTR Blu-rays because they are split onto two-discs and disrupting that viewing experience (even if it is 4hrs long) is a let down for me.

 

That being said, digital backups allows for a greater sense of immersion, much like you described with music: playlists extend that immersive period. With video, I think I can find a way to link the .mts files from a back up of the two EE LoTR discs so that they play seamlessly, but I still need to do a bit more research to figure out the best method (mux them together? Edit an index file so that they're viewed as a part of the same feature?).

 

I will say that another reason I have gone mostly digital though, is that I'm still pretty mobile. I've lived in three countries over the past four years and have moved more times than that, but I recognize that this situation inherently prevents the type of experience you're looking for anyways. The 103 is a godsend in that regard.

 

In any case, hopefully the playlist feature is augmented over the next few firmware releases.

post #9184 of 16434
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Originally Posted by JamesrSkinner View Post

Is there a network automation interface available on the BDP-103? For example is the serial port command set available via a TCP port? The Oppo iPhone app clearly talks to something. Is it documented some where?
Not public yet. But now that the iOS MediaControl app is out, OPPO is probably getting close to the point where they will publish this for 3rd party app development. Basically, they want to evaluate it via their own apps first.
--Bob
post #9185 of 16434
For folks installing the 0522B Public Beta firmware, I just want to reinforce that a RESET really is required for proper operation after this firmware install.
--Bob
post #9186 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Jano18 View Post

I am controlling my 103 via IP but currently it doesn't support discreet power on/off & no live feedback is available at this time.

Are the IP commands you are using the same as the documented RS232 ones? What TCP port is the automation interface on that you are using?
post #9187 of 16434
I can report that the new beta appears to have solved the audio sync problem I was having with my DTV box going thru the 103.
post #9188 of 16434
Hi Guys,

I opened a new thread "OPPO 103/105 and SACD-R" On BR players... But I was advised that this is the right place
to get some ideas about my music collection, with my new player.

In addition to the excellent support from OPPO to clarify a lot of doubts as new user, essentially I am asking for
suggestions to workaround the limitation to playback SACD-R with the new firmware.
Briefing... I wrote:
....
Now with the new firmware disabling the playback capability of SACD-R discs, I would like to hear some suggestions to still playback my SACD-R disc's contents...
I tried to use the sacd_extract to get one file per track, but my player only accepted to playback DSD files (-c option of sacd_extract).

There are some way to playback DST instead of DSDs?

I also tried to extract in the same format the Edited Master File from the image and corresponded .cue file.
Something like to use dsdmerge to obtain only on dff file for all music tracks since the cuesheet pointing to more than one file is not implemented yet.
After fixed the .cue file (the native format generated by the sacd_extract isn't compatible with what the player expect), to my suprise ... no playback too.


Thank you all!
post #9189 of 16434
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I've noticed that when playing Blu-ray discs that often the video will start playing a second or two before the audio is able to lock on. The CBS logo that appears at the beginning of all the "Star Trek" television series BDs when they are first loaded is a good example, but I have also experienced it when starting extras on other discs. I am experiencing this using optical digital to my audio receiver, but also checked HDMI to the built-in audio on my television with the same results.

My suspicion is that the Oppo, when it is able to, is starting the audio bitstream at exactly the same instant as the video as a result of attempting to start both as quickly as possible, and the audio processor is taking a second or two to decide which format the audio is in. I did not experience this to the same degree with my old Blu-ray player, probably because it was considerably slower and I'm guessing it established the audio bitstream prior to the start of video.

Is this what everyone else is experiencing? While I like the fast loading and quick start of play with the Oppo, I would prefer to at least have the option to have a second or two longer load or start and have the audio play from the very beginning of the video.

I've also noticed this on my 103 which I didn't notice on any of my Panny players. Also, the eject button doesn't seem to work the first time after finishing a movie, I usually have to press it twice before it ejects.
post #9190 of 16434
Any one with Dish Network running thru a 103 able to comment, specifically on DD 5.1 1080i and the audio and video performance after the beta?

I have a Hopper, thanks.
post #9191 of 16434
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I've also noticed this on my 103 which I didn't notice on any of my Panny players. Also, the eject button doesn't seem to work the first time after finishing a movie, I usually have to press it twice before it ejects.

I've not found that I've ever had to push the eject button twice. However I always use the eject button on the remote, and have never used the button on the unit itself.
post #9192 of 16434

most of the time i push the eject button on the 103 and i never had to push it twice.

post #9193 of 16434
I connected the player via the Internet and it showed that I have the latest update,is the beta update available on the website and I have to download it and put it on a UBS stick?
post #9194 of 16434
Yes.
post #9195 of 16434
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

I connected the player via the Internet and it showed that I have the latest update,is the beta update available on the website and I have to download it and put it on a UBS stick?

This Public Beta can only be installed with a USB stick or a CD that you make from the OPPO page.

http://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx
post #9196 of 16434
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

I connected the player via the Internet and it showed that I have the latest update,is the beta update available on the website and I have to download it and put it on a UBS stick?

Usually, the production and beta firmware servers are separate. Beta firmware on the player only sees the beta server, and production software sees the production server.

To move between production and beta, you have to do it manually via USB or optical disc.

-Bill
post #9197 of 16434
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

I connected the player via the Internet and it showed that I have the latest update,is the beta update available on the website and I have to download it and put it on a UBS stick?

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-52-0522B.aspx
post #9198 of 16434
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I've noticed that when playing Blu-ray discs that often the video will start playing a second or two before the audio is able to lock on.
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I've also noticed this on my 103 which I didn't notice on any of my Panny players. Also, the eject button doesn't seem to work the first time after finishing a movie, I usually have to press it twice before it ejects.

Like you guys, I too have been noticing that upon starting a BD's playback, the 103 will show the video several seconds before there is any audio. I saw the phenomenon with the BDs of Series 3 of the Danish version of The Killing and with the BDs of Series 1 of Sherlock.
post #9199 of 16434
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

. . . .
Also, the eject button doesn't seem to work the first time after finishing a movie, I usually have to press it twice before it ejects.

Depending on how the disc is authored, it may want to do various sorts of cleanup before the tray ejects. Typically this will be for Blu-ray discs authored with BD-Java -- i.e., discs that have a playback program authored onto them (along with the movie of course) which runs and controls player operations while the disc is playing.

Short answer, just press the Tray Open once and be patient.
--Bob
post #9200 of 16434
I have the latest Firmware update and I am not noticing any audio lag from the 103 to a Denon 4311ci. Did you do the factory rest as recommended by Oppo after applying the update?
post #9201 of 16434
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I've noticed that when playing Blu-ray discs that often the video will start playing a second or two before the audio is able to lock on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I've also noticed this on my 103 which I didn't notice on any of my Panny players. Also, the eject button doesn't seem to work the first time after finishing a movie, I usually have to press it twice before it ejects.

Like you guys, I too have been noticing that upon starting a BD's playback, the 103 will show the video several seconds before there is any audio. I saw the phenomenon with the BDs of Series 3 of the Danish version of The Killing and with the BDs of Series 1 of Sherlock.

Part of this is the AVR's own muting delay as it validates the audio input is truly a well-formed digital audio stream.

For most AVRs, LPCM input is easier for them to handle than high bit-rate Bitstreams, but even then they'll take a look at the stream when it changes the number of channels (e.g., 5.1 vs. 2.0). So try HDMI Audio LPCM output (rather than Auto or Bitstream) and see if that helps.
--Bob
post #9202 of 16434
Almost from the beginning when the 103 was first released, there has been an HDMI handshake problem that eventually goes away by just waiting. Sometimes, the initial screen is all pink, and most frequently the disc is read, BR, but there is no video with only the elapsed time displayed, but eventually, within seconds, it all goes away. This may have more to do with the Denon 4311 through which everything runs.
post #9203 of 16434
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Originally Posted by jrfndes View Post

Hi Guys,

I opened a new thread "OPPO 103/105 and SACD-R" On BR players... But I was advised that this is the right place
to get some ideas about my music collection, with my new player.

In addition to the excellent support from OPPO to clarify a lot of doubts as new user, essentially I am asking for
suggestions to workaround the limitation to playback SACD-R with the new firmware.
Briefing... I wrote:
....
Now with the new firmware disabling the playback capability of SACD-R discs, I would like to hear some suggestions to still playback my SACD-R disc's contents...
I tried to use the sacd_extract to get one file per track, but my player only accepted to playback DSD files (-c option of sacd_extract).

There are some way to playback DST instead of DSDs?

I also tried to extract in the same format the Edited Master File from the image and corresponded .cue file.
Something like to use dsdmerge to obtain only on dff file for all music tracks since the cuesheet pointing to more than one file is not implemented yet.
After fixed the .cue file (the native format generated by the sacd_extract isn't compatible with what the player expect), to my suprise ... no playback too.


Thank you all!

DSD files are now supported for playback from directly attached hard drives and from SMB network servers. A number of folks here and in the BDP-105 thread have been discussing tools like "dsdmerge" for combining individual DSD files into a single file so that an associated CUE file can be used with it -- to provide gapless playback for example. I'm not doing this myself, so I can't give you direct advice, but if you scan from the end of this thread and the 105 thread back to the point where the 0422 firmware announcement was made you will find the posts. There is also a separate thread that's been opened specifically for folks exploring the use of CUE files on the 103/105:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466929/oppo-bdp-105-and-cue-files

If your questions are primarily about how to make CUE files work, that thread would be a good place to start.
--Bob
post #9204 of 16434
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

Almost from the beginning when the 103 was first released, there has been an HDMI handshake problem that eventually goes away by just waiting. Sometimes, the initial screen is all pink, and most frequently the disc is read, BR, but there is no video with only the elapsed time displayed, but eventually, within seconds, it all goes away. This may have more to do with the Denon 4311 through which everything runs.

This is just HDMI retries happening as the HDMI path tries to get its act together. HDMI is an end to end protocol, so everything in the HDMI path (both sides of the Denon) gets in on the fun and games.

You can't make HDMI handshakes go away, but you CAN do things to simplify the handshake and to make it less likely that a retry will be needed.

First, in both the OPPO and the Denon, insure that their video output format is set explicitly (e.g., YCbCr 4:4:4) instead of AUTO. Similarly, use HDMI Audio Bitstream or LPCM, not AUTO.

Next, explore whether your HDMI cabling might be having problems handling the signal bandwidth. For example turn Deep Color OFF and try, first, 480p output resolution (from both the OPPO and the Denon), then 1080i, then back to 1080p. 480p (not 480i) is the "simplest" HDMI signal. If 480p and 1080i work but 1080p does not, that suggests your cabling is not quite up to the task. This could be due to cable length, or the presence of adapters, wall plates, or HDMI switches in the HDMI signal path (either side of the Denon). Again, if there IS a cable quality problem, it may be on the far side of the Denon.

If 1080p works WITHOUT Deep Color, but has problems when Deep Color is re-enabled, then that too could mean cable limitations. Deep Color off sends 24 bits per pixel. Deep Color 30 and 36 send 30 and 36 bits per pixel -- more bandwidth on the cable.

Also try 1080p/60 output vs. 1080p/24 (i.e, set 1080p/24 OFF in the OPPO. 1080p/24 is a lower bandwidth signal than 1080p/60, so the expected result is that 1080p/24 works with fewer HDMI handshake problems. HOWEVER, some AVRs and Displays get tied up in knot trying to handle 1080p/24, so for those, 1080p/60 might produce fewer retries.

HDMI handshakes will happen multiple times as you try to start a movie -- as the format of the audio and video content changes between previews, menus, warning screens, and the feature film itself. You can't make the handshakes go away -- it's just the way HDMI works, and HDMI copy protection is finicky about that. The minimum time for an HDMI handshake is about 2 seconds due to delays built into the protocol to allow the devices at both ends of the cable to get their act together. So if your handshakes are taking longer than 2 seconds you can kind of count the number of retries that are happening. For example, if you are seeing 6 second handshakes you know you are seeing the original try plus two additional retries. The goal is to get rid of the retries.

The Shocking Pink video is a type of handshake failure where the devices at either end of the cable get confused about whether RGB or YCbCr video data format is being sent. Setting an explicit output data format is the best way to minimize that chance. Handshake failures -- particularly ones where HDMI HDCP (copy protection) is unhappy -- result in "muted" video output while the retry takes place. Depending on the hardware the video will be muted to black or -- for some devices -- to a green screen. Again, this is just a symptom that handshake retries are happening.

And to repeat again, HDMI is an end to end protocol. So things that might look like confusion between the OPPO and the Denon *MIGHT* actually be due to settings in the Display which complicate the handshake. Sometimes it's purely a matter of trying stuff to see what makes a difference.
--Bob
post #9205 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Part of this [delay in audio starting to is the AVR's own muting delay as it validates the audio input is truly a well-formed digital audio stream.

For most AVRs, LPCM input is easier for them to handle than high bit-rate Bitstreams, but even then they'll take a look at the stream when it changes the number of channels (e.g., 5.1 vs. 2.0). So try HDMI Audio LPCM output (rather than Auto or Bitstream) and see if that helps.
--Bob

Bob -- Thanks for the feedback. To tell you the truth, the few seconds delay in the audio coming up has not bothered me much, so I'm going to stick with Bitstream. All in all I couldn't be happier with my 103. Equally important, I am just as happy with my JVB Digital all regions mod kit for the 103. Until I bought an Oppo, my old PS3 had been the most stable and reliable BD player I had ever owned. Unfortunately, though, the PS3 had too many limitations on the kind of material it could play. It couldn't handle any DVD that wasn't Region 1 and it couldn't play 1080/50i BDs, even if they were region free. Obviously none of that is a problem with the 103.
post #9206 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Part of this is the AVR's own muting delay as it validates the audio input is truly a well-formed digital audio stream.

For most AVRs, LPCM input is easier for them to handle than high bit-rate Bitstreams, but even then they'll take a look at the stream when it changes the number of channels (e.g., 5.1 vs. 2.0). So try HDMI Audio LPCM output (rather than Auto or Bitstream) and see if that helps.
--Bob

My receiver is old enough that it doesn't have HDMI inputs. I have it connected by optical digital. However I am getting very similar results if I listen to the audio using the television's internal audio which does get it's audio from HDMI. I will attempt switching between the bitstream and LPCM for the TV to see if it makes any difference.
post #9207 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Shauri026 View Post

Hi there,

I'm currently looking at replacing our cheapy Samsung D5500C Bluray player.
My partner and I are seriously looking into the Oppo-BDP-103.
This player has some stellar reviews and most notably, people rave about it's scalers.

Here is my question to you current BDP-103 owners.

We own the Yamaha RX-V773WA. It handles all of the upscaling/upconverting for any content that is not natively in HD.
Are the scalers in the 103 better than what are in our AVR?

Would say DVD content or maybe even the Wii look better scaled through the Oppo or through the Yamaha?


Thanks

Just got our Oppo BDP-103 and WOW what a huge leap forward from our Samsung. Quicker loading, superior 3D, apps load 5x's faster. This unit combined with the included ROKU stick will replace our ROKU 2 XS and 3D Bluray player.
And as for the scalers, jaw dropping amazing!
post #9208 of 16434
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

What to make of a Blu-ray concert by SADE (Bring me home ... LIVE 2011) that won't play Bitstream (DTS-HD MA) but will play LPCM? Is the problem the Oppo or the disc. My Anthem D2v says "No Signal" on its inputs when the DTS track is selected so it seems the Oppo isn't sending the Bitstream track?

 

Doing the usual chicken-dance of powering up/down the Oppo and the Anthem doesn't help the situation...

 

BTW this BD is encoded in 24p and not the 60i for concerts(if that helps).

 

Another DTS-HD MA 5.1 Blu-ray "Green Zone" by Matt Damon will not play bit-streamed to my D2v but plays if set to LPCM in my 105. What to make of this?

post #9209 of 16434
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Originally Posted by JamesrSkinner View Post

Are the IP commands you are using the same as the documented RS232 ones? What TCP port is the automation interface on that you are using?

Yes, the RS232 & IP commands are the same (as with most AV components), you must use port#19999. To clarify my previous post, you can power toggle via IP, but not discrete power on/off. You must have quick start enabled to power on from standby, this also is typical for for most AV components (network standby, quick start, etc.).
post #9210 of 16434
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This is just HDMI retries happening as the HDMI path tries to get its act together. HDMI is an end to end protocol, so everything in the HDMI path (both sides of the Denon) gets in on the fun and games.

You can't make HDMI handshakes go away, but you CAN do things to simplify the handshake and to make it less likely that a retry will be needed.

First, in both the OPPO and the Denon, insure that their video output format is set explicitly (e.g., YCbCr 4:4:4) instead of AUTO. Similarly, use HDMI Audio Bitstream or LPCM, not AUTO.

Next, explore whether your HDMI cabling might be having problems handling the signal bandwidth. For example turn Deep Color OFF and try, first, 480p output resolution (from both the OPPO and the Denon), then 1080i, then back to 1080p. 480p (not 480i) is the "simplest" HDMI signal. If 480p and 1080i work but 1080p does not, that suggests your cabling is not quite up to the task. This could be due to cable length, or the presence of adapters, wall plates, or HDMI switches in the HDMI signal path (either side of the Denon). Again, if there IS a cable quality problem, it may be on the far side of the Denon.

If 1080p works WITHOUT Deep Color, but has problems when Deep Color is re-enabled, then that too could mean cable limitations. Deep Color off sends 24 bits per pixel. Deep Color 30 and 36 send 30 and 36 bits per pixel -- more bandwidth on the cable.

Also try 1080p/60 output vs. 1080p/24 (i.e, set 1080p/24 OFF in the OPPO. 1080p/24 is a lower bandwidth signal than 1080p/60, so the expected result is that 1080p/24 works with fewer HDMI handshake problems. HOWEVER, some AVRs and Displays get tied up in knot trying to handle 1080p/24, so for those, 1080p/60 might produce fewer retries.

HDMI handshakes will happen multiple times as you try to start a movie -- as the format of the audio and video content changes between previews, menus, warning screens, and the feature film itself. You can't make the handshakes go away -- it's just the way HDMI works, and HDMI copy protection is finicky about that. The minimum time for an HDMI handshake is about 2 seconds due to delays built into the protocol to allow the devices at both ends of the cable to get their act together. So if your handshakes are taking longer than 2 seconds you can kind of count the number of retries that are happening. For example, if you are seeing 6 second handshakes you know you are seeing the original try plus two additional retries. The goal is to get rid of the retries.

The Shocking Pink video is a type of handshake failure where the devices at either end of the cable get confused about whether RGB or YCbCr video data format is being sent. Setting an explicit output data format is the best way to minimize that chance. Handshake failures -- particularly ones where HDMI HDCP (copy protection) is unhappy -- result in "muted" video output while the retry takes place. Depending on the hardware the video will be muted to black or -- for some devices -- to a green screen. Again, this is just a symptom that handshake retries are happening.

And to repeat again, HDMI is an end to end protocol. So things that might look like confusion between the OPPO and the Denon *MIGHT* actually be due to settings in the Display which complicate the handshake. Sometimes it's purely a matter of trying stuff to see what makes a difference.
--Bob

Thanks for the detailed response. I wasn't expecting one.
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