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post #9241 of 16409
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I should add the above is for NTSC SD-DVDs *ONLY*.

bob, I found your long explanation very helpful and interesting. However, my question is concerning what happens with 576/50 PAL SD-DVD (region 2) disks?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but my limited understanding is that when playing a 576/50 PAL SD-DVD at 24p the player assembles every two input frames into a single output frame, and spools that to the Tv at 24Hz, so the movie duration becomes 50 / 2 / 24 =104% of the original scheduled length. Is that correct?

In other words, if (as in my case) your DVD library consists to 99.9% of 576/50 PAL material, then presumambly it is perfectly Ok to leave 24p conversion set to "On" all of the time. Or?

And, (second question), what happens to the audio sync in this case? I could imagine that if the player is spooling the video at 96% of the scheduled rate, but the audio is spooling at 100% of the defined PCM rate, then one would start to get lipsync problems. In which case, that would get worse the longer the movie has been playing. Or does the player add audio frames to pad out the sound track to keep it in sync with the video? In which case, then the audio quality is being compromised.
Edited by AndrewFG - 5/27/13 at 3:10am
post #9242 of 16409
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

bob, I found your long explanation very helpful and interesting. However, my question is concerning what happens with 576/50 PAL SD-DVD (region 2) disks?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but my limited understanding is that when playing a 576/50 PAL SD-DVD at 24p the player assembles every two input frames into a single output frame, and spools that to the Tv at 24Hz, so the movie duration becomes 50 / 2 / 24 =104% of the original scheduled length. Is that correct?
Nope... Even when you have the Oppo's '1080p24 Output' option switched 'On', the Oppo correctly identifies the PAL DVD as being 25 frames per second and outputs 25p
post #9243 of 16409
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

When I first found out that my BDP-103 was capable of DVD 24p conversion I wondered why it did not offer any method of automating this choice based on the source material.

The BDP-93 FAQ has some details and history on this: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported? The -103 has the same implementation.

-Bill
post #9244 of 16409
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

the Oppo ... identifies the PAL DVD as being 25 frames per second and outputs 25p

Interesting. My Tv only claims to support 24p and does not mention anything about 25p, but it displays the movie anyway, so I wonder what is really going on here??
post #9245 of 16409
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

Interesting. My Tv only claims to support 24p and does not mention anything about 25p, but it displays the movie anyway, so I wonder what is really going on here??

Are you using 1080p (not Source Direct) and do you have TV System set to NTSC? If so, 50hz content will be converted to 60hz. Set TV System to Multi if you do not want the conversion. Or use Source Direct if you want the TV to do all deinterlacing, scaling, and handle the frame rate conversion.

It is possible your TV accepts 25/50hz even if not shown in the specs. Manufacturers almost never reveal this in North America. I had a cheap Westinghouse that did and an exprensive Samsung that does not.

-Bill
post #9246 of 16409
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

Interesting. My Tv only claims to support 24p and does not mention anything about 25p, but it displays the movie anyway, so I wonder what is really going on here??
The expression "24p or 24Hz support" is marketing hype.

Just about all 'full HD' (1920x1080 pixel) flat panel TV's sold in Europe after 2008 support both 24p (24Hz) and 25p (at 50Hz)... Just check your TV's user manual under 'specifications'.


EDIT: By-the-way, it would be helpful if you and others could add their locations to their profiles wink.gif
Edited by SeeMoreDigital - 5/27/13 at 7:05am
post #9247 of 16409
It may all be in the Oppo. Oppos can convert PAL to NTSC and don't need to have the TV directly support PAL resolution and frame rates.
post #9248 of 16409
I won't quote the whole message, but some excellent info above from Bob on 1080p/24, thx for posting ! smile.gif
post #9249 of 16409
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

Thanks for sharing Oppo´s response. I am inclined to call it "diplomatic".

For me, the improvement regarding presentation of subtitles in zoom mode alone was worth the upgrade to the 103. As for picture quality, it is of course in the eye of the beholder, but I would never go back to the 93.

The zoom mode is of interest to me. I do watch a lot of foreign films
post #9250 of 16409
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Originally Posted by FromRussia View Post

Hello, oppo-users.
Have a following problem with my oppo. My oppo 103 is connected directly to benq w1070 via HDMI 1, HDMI 2 is connected to AVR Pioneer 922 (audio channel).
After the connection the video worked just fine but not for long, after pushing the “3D” button on the remote the benq went blank saying “searching for a signal”.
After restart I can see the oppo’s menu but if push “start” to play a movie the benq again goes “blank” and says “searching for a signal”, and nothing helps, only if I restart the benq. The same happens if I change video settings in the oppo menu.
As I understand it has smth to do with HDMI handshake problem. I have 1.4 vs. HDMI cable which actually worked with the oppo and it perfectly works with my PS3 and benq.
And unfortunately is just half of the problem) The other thing that AVR plays a very low audio volume output. When I connect my AVR with ps3 with my optical cable I can watch a movie at 45 Db volume and it sounds nice. With the oppo connection the audio volume is very low even if I put my AVR at 30Db.
Guys, need your help)
Thank you in advance
P.S. sorry, English is not my native language)

From Russia

Sorry I cannot give you help. I am not an Oppo expert.

They only thing I want to say is: Never apologize for your English. Your note was well written and better than probably 80 percent of the English writers on this forum.
post #9251 of 16409
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

It may all be in the Oppo. Oppos can convert PAL to NTSC and don't need to have the TV directly support PAL resolution and frame rates.

I apologize in advance as I suspect this has been answered elsewhere (but I cannot find it). My TV only supports the NTSC standard. I just purchased some PAL DVD's (Doctor Who Series 1 - 4) thinking that I will benefit from the extra lines of resolution offered by PAL. How does the Oppo convert the PAL information to NTSC? I have my 103 set to output at 1080P. Does the conversion process still give me the benefit of the extra lines of resolution or does it convert the information to the SD NTSC equivalent (480 vs 576) and then up-convert to 1080P?

Thanks in advance.
post #9252 of 16409
As I was wanting to watch a few of the new episodes of Arrested Development on Netflix, I was quite annoyed with how the Oppo seems to play only 1 movie or TV show before locking up when starting a 2nd. So, I first thought I'd try changing from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2. (I have it set up as Split AV so I can choose between Marvell & Media Tek depending on the content) I was able to play multiple episodes through HDMI 2 without the player locking up. So, I switched back to HDMI 1 and again it played 1 episode & locked up when starting the second. Switched back to HDMI 2 once again, and no problems.

Maybe others with this problem can see if this works for them.
Edited by Manic_D - 5/27/13 at 12:00pm
post #9253 of 16409
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The BDP-93 FAQ has some details and history on this: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported? The -103 has the same implementation.

-Bill

Bill, Thank you for the link! I wouldn't have thought to look in the -93 FAQ for this information. The details and history are very interesting and answer most of the questions I've had about this.

Brett
post #9254 of 16409
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Originally Posted by FromRussia View Post

Hello, oppo-users.
Have a following problem with my oppo. My oppo 103 is connected directly to benq w1070 via HDMI 1, HDMI 2 is connected to AVR Pioneer 922 (audio channel).
After the connection the video worked just fine but not for long, after pushing the “3D” button on the remote the benq went blank saying “searching for a signal”.
After restart I can see the oppo’s menu but if push “start” to play a movie the benq again goes “blank” and says “searching for a signal”, and nothing helps, only if I restart the benq. The same happens if I change video settings in the oppo menu.
As I understand it has smth to do with HDMI handshake problem. I have 1.4 vs. HDMI cable which actually worked with the oppo and it perfectly works with my PS3 and benq.
And unfortunately is just half of the problem) The other thing that AVR plays a very low audio volume output. When I connect my AVR with ps3 with my optical cable I can watch a movie at 45 Db volume and it sounds nice. With the oppo connection the audio volume is very low even if I put my AVR at 30Db.
Guys, need your help)
Thank you in advance
P.S. sorry, English is not my native language)

Did you set the HDMI outputs correctly in the Oppo? Did you change the HDMI settings in the Oppo to Dual, or did you mean this with "change video settings in the oppo menu'?

If you tried everything already, maybe you have to change something in the projector for 3D operation? I honestly don't know. However, try to reduce everything to one unit connected to the other only. I mean connect the Oppo to the Benq projector only, disconnect the Pioneer and all other connections. Then try it again. If you got it working, connect all other equipment step by step and check if the problem occurs again. Then you found the problem or if everything works fine, you have your problem solved.

Sorry not to be of more help, but I don't know your specific set up and equipment. Good luck!
post #9255 of 16409
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post


I apologize in advance as I suspect this has been answered elsewhere (but I cannot find it). My TV only supports the NTSC standard. I just purchased some PAL DVD's (Doctor Who Series 1 - 4) thinking that I will benefit from the extra lines of resolution offered by PAL. How does the Oppo convert the PAL information to NTSC? I have my 103 set to output at 1080P. Does the conversion process still give me the benefit of the extra lines of resolution or does it convert the information to the SD NTSC equivalent (480 vs 576) and then up-convert to 1080P?

Thanks in advance.

You do not lose any PAL resolution. The conversion is for the frame rate and color standard.

-Bill
post #9256 of 16409
If you do the math, SD PAL and SD NTSC actually have the same information content per second. The extra lines for PAL are exactly countered by its slower frame rate. This is not by coincidence, as PAL and NTSC broadcast TV were designed to fit into the same bandwidth allocation per broadcast channel licensee. PAL has more information per individual frame, but NTSC has more information for motion. This is similar to 1080i vs 720p HDTV channels, which are also matched in bandwidth.
--Bob
post #9257 of 16409
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I owned a 93 before purchasing the 103 in December last year. My findings:

Blu-ray: No visible difference in resolution, but a sense of improved "flow" in the presentation of moving images resulting in a more engaging viewing experience.

DVD: Noticeably better resolution and better "flow"
as aforesaid.

Has anyone else noticed a difference in "flow" or motion smoothness between two different players both running at 1080p24 (or source direct)?
post #9258 of 16409
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Originally Posted by FromRussia View Post

Hello, oppo-users.
Have a following problem with my oppo. My oppo 103 is connected directly to benq w1070 via HDMI 1, HDMI 2 is connected to AVR Pioneer 922 (audio channel).
After the connection the video worked just fine but not for long, after pushing the “3D” button on the remote the benq went blank saying “searching for a signal”.
After restart I can see the oppo’s menu but if push “start” to play a movie the benq again goes “blank” and says “searching for a signal”, and nothing helps, only if I restart the benq. The same happens if I change video settings in the oppo menu.
As I understand it has smth to do with HDMI handshake problem. I have 1.4 vs. HDMI cable which actually worked with the oppo and it perfectly works with my PS3 and benq.
And unfortunately is just half of the problem) The other thing that AVR plays a very low audio volume output. When I connect my AVR with ps3 with my optical cable I can watch a movie at 45 Db volume and it sounds nice. With the oppo connection the audio volume is very low even if I put my AVR at 30Db.
Guys, need your help)
Thank you in advance
P.S. sorry, English is not my native language)

The most likely reason is that you've got the HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 outputs confused -- i.e., that you've got them wired backwards to what you think you've done. So check that first.

Then go into Setup and set Split A/V (not Dual Display). Also in the 3D Settings, set Blank HDMI 2 ON and 3D Mode AUTO.

If that doesn't fix it, and if there is ALSO an HDMI cable between the Pioneer and the BENQ, then temporarily disconnect that cable and see if THAT fixes it. If so then the problem is that the HDMI handshake is getting confused because there are two separate paths between the OPPO and the BENQ. There may be a setting in the Pioneer which will keep it from trying to use its HDMI output to the BENQ when you have selected it to just play audio from the OPPO.

Also check the BENQ manual as it is possible that only one of its HDMI Input sockets is able to accept 3D video. Make sure you are using the right socket for the HDMI 1 connection from the OPPO.
--Bob
post #9259 of 16409
Well it took a while but the latest beta seems to have finally fixed all of my HDMI input issues. I have a TiVo Première 4 and I can now stay on a 720p channel(Espn) and it does not exhibit stuttering video anymore. All lip sync issues with 1080i and 720p channels have disappeared also. HDMI 2 now works without any handshake issues even though I do prefer HDMI 1 after comparing both. It is especially nice to have the 720p channels working correctly after hearing Stacy Spears say that the Oppo doesn't have any ringing on its 720p output. It definitely looks better than sending 720p straight to my display. I was very critical of Oppo for the many months of issues I had but kudos to them for solving the issues and giving me a fully functional player!
Edited by pwiss - 5/27/13 at 8:39pm
post #9260 of 16409
Well, regarding the handshake problem with my oppo and benq w 1070 setup.
I had done the following manipulations.
Disconnected all the sources and connected benq with oppo through HDMI 1. I tried 3 different HDMI cables. Two of them had artifacts even in the service menu (blinking, disconnecting, etc). All video modes switched to Auto. If I change video setting in the oppo’s service menu (for instance change the setting of video output from Auto to 1080p) the projectors goes in a searching mode and says “searching for a signal” and nothing happens. The 3rd cable was better and stable in the service menu but no luck with the video (the projector just goes into searching mode if you choose a video and press “start”) so it’s not just about 3D problems.
After that I connected oppo with pio 922 through HDMI 1 and pio 922 with benq. And actually this kind of connection works perfect. Video plays excellent, the 3D conversion features work, so everything is fine. I can’t say I found the difference between the video connections.
Additionally, in the Russian forum some people say that they experience the same problems with benq w 1070 in other setups, for instance with Dune media player and they suggest to make a connection through HDMI-splitter.
So, that’s it I guess I will stick with the connection through pio. Thanks’ everyone.
post #9261 of 16409
I guess there are still problems with Netflix and the 103? Last night I started to watch a show on Netflix and the video quality stayed on 480p even though I have the SuperHD capability. I switched over to AppleTV and it immediately went to 1080p.
post #9262 of 16409
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I guess there are still problems with Netflix and the 103? Last night I started to watch a show on Netflix and the video quality stayed on 480p even though I have the SuperHD capability. I switched over to AppleTV and it immediately went to 1080p.

Re your observation: Perhaps you missed my recent post:

On a different subject - Netflix streaming via the 103, the following question to and (as usual very prompt) response from Oppo´s customer support may be of general interest:

Question: When I start-up a Netflix HD movie from the 103, it takes 10 - 20 seconds before the resolution reaches 1080, being initially 480 or even lower. This phenomenon does not occur when I stream Netflix content via an Apple TV box. Any way to remedy this?

Response: Unfortunately there is no remedy to this issue. We are working with Netflix to increase the performance of their application with our players so it takes less time for the player to negotiate the higher quality video stream, but at this time there is no way to force the player to handshake the signal quality faster
post #9263 of 16409
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Originally Posted by FromRussia View Post

Well, regarding the handshake problem with my oppo and benq w 1070 setup.
I had done the following manipulations.
Disconnected all the sources and connected benq with oppo through HDMI 1. I tried 3 different HDMI cables. Two of them had artifacts even in the service menu (blinking, disconnecting, etc). All video modes switched to Auto. If I change video setting in the oppo’s service menu (for instance change the setting of video output from Auto to 1080p) the projectors goes in a searching mode and says “searching for a signal” and nothing happens. The 3rd cable was better and stable in the service menu but no luck with the video (the projector just goes into searching mode if you choose a video and press “start”) so it’s not just about 3D problems.
After that I connected oppo with pio 922 through HDMI 1 and pio 922 with benq. And actually this kind of connection works perfect. Video plays excellent, the 3D conversion features work, so everything is fine. I can’t say I found the difference between the video connections.
Additionally, in the Russian forum some people say that they experience the same problems with benq w 1070 in other setups, for instance with Dune media player and they suggest to make a connection through HDMI-splitter.
So, that’s it I guess I will stick with the connection through pio. Thanks’ everyone.

One of the other Beta Testers has confirmed similar problems with his BENQ 1070. He's alerted OPPO Engineering. As of now, it looks like a problem in the BENQ's HDMI implementation (i.e., a BENQ firmware update might be the real solution), but perhaps OPPO can find a workaround they can implement on their side. The trick with workarounds is whether they can do that without breaking HDMI to other displays....
--Bob
post #9264 of 16409
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I guess there are still problems with Netflix and the 103? Last night I started to watch a show on Netflix and the video quality stayed on 480p even though I have the SuperHD capability. I switched over to AppleTV and it immediately went to 1080p.

Sometimes this happens if Netflix is having capacity problems on a particular server. For example, you might have problems with one program, whereas another goes promptly to HD simply because they've assigned more server capacity to that program. And disconnecting and reconnecting to Netflix may even get you assigned to an entirely different server. As you can imagine, problems like this are more likely to crop up during prime time viewing hours. The following link is useful to check in real time whether widespread problem reports are coming in regarding Netflix:

http://downrightnow.com/netflix

If an HD Stream stays SD for more than a couple minutes, and you are not experiencing problems with your Internet service, odds are you've run into a Netflix server capacity situation for that particular program and server connection.

OPPO is working with Netflix to get their app for the player adjusted so it shifts gears faster to HD. But if it isn't shifting AT ALL, then that's not an app issue. It's either a server issue or, perhaps, a temporary issue with your Internet service or in-home networking.
--Bob
post #9265 of 16409
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

Re your observation: Perhaps you missed my recent post:

On a different subject - Netflix streaming via the 103, the following question to and (as usual very prompt) response from Oppo´s customer support may be of general interest:

Question: When I start-up a Netflix HD movie from the 103, it takes 10 - 20 seconds before the resolution reaches 1080, being initially 480 or even lower. This phenomenon does not occur when I stream Netflix content via an Apple TV box. Any way to remedy this?

Response: Unfortunately there is no remedy to this issue. We are working with Netflix to increase the performance of their application with our players so it takes less time for the player to negotiate the higher quality video stream, but at this time there is no way to force the player to handshake the signal quality faster

I did leave the show on for several minutes before switching to AppleTV.
post #9266 of 16409
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Sometimes this happens if Netflix is having capacity problems on a particular server. For example, you might have problems with one program, whereas another goes promptly to HD simply because they've assigned more server capacity to that program. And disconnecting and reconnecting to Netflix may even get you assigned to an entirely different server. As you can imagine, problems like this are more likely to crop up during prime time viewing hours. The following link is useful to check in real time whether widespread problem reports are coming in regarding Netflix:

http://downrightnow.com/netflix

If an HD Stream stays SD for more than a couple minutes, and you are not experiencing problems with your Internet service, odds are you've run into a Netflix server capacity situation for that particular program and server connection.

OPPO is working with Netflix to get their app for the player adjusted so it shifts gears faster to HD. But if it isn't shifting AT ALL, then that's not an app issue. It's either a server issue or, perhaps, a temporary issue with your Internet service or in-home networking.
--Bob

It must have been a server problem as it was during prime time.
post #9267 of 16409
I have my Comcast cable running through my OPPO and then to Sony LED. I have noticed some "shimmering" of line edges especially in striped or plaid clothing. Any suggestions of a cure?
post #9268 of 16409
^ What resolution(s) are you sending from the Comcast to the OPPO when you observe this? You can use the Info button on the OPPO remote to see the format coming in on that HDMI Input.
--Bob
post #9269 of 16409
I'm a little late to the new-beta show. But I just read through all of the posts since Neuromancer informed us of its availability. And my question wasn't answered.

Does the new beta fix Netflix's hangup issues? Or are they still there? (I saw that one lister had problems. But it might have been that he didn't "Restore Factory Defaults". I always do that for new Oppo firmware since it was drummed into us during the BDP83 days.)

So, if I install the new Beta and Restore Factory Defaults, will Netflix behave from now on?

Thanks, Ken
post #9270 of 16409
^ It looks to me like the issues DURING stream playback are fixed in the Public Beta.

But there's still a chance for failure upon exiting a stream or upon exiting the app. Presumably OPPO is still working on those.
--Bob
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