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post #9451 of 16415
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Originally Posted by Alex Cross View Post

I was going to purchase the Disney WOW calibration Blu-ray. I'm wondering if it will work well with the BDP-103. The Speers and Munsil 2nd edition is offered on the oppo web-site, however the reviews I've read indicate buyers are happier with the Disney WOW version. What are the feelings by anyone that have used either of the tools?

Thanks

Alex

The TV I'm currently using is a Samsung UN46ES6100

I found the spears and minsil one to be alot easier and it also does calibration for 3d.

Jacob
post #9452 of 16415
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD View Post

Sigh. Firmware update deleted all my settings. Anyone have any links to recommended picture settings (can't find any via search)

I recommend you leave all the Picture Adjustment settings at their default (0) values.

Presuming you have a 1080p HDMI display, then I suggest you start with Resolution 1080p (not AUTO or Source Direct), 1080p/24 AUTO, 3D Mode AUTO, TV Aspect Ratio "16:9 WIDE/AUTO", HDMI Color Space YCbCr 4:4:4, HDMI Deep Color OFF, HDMI Audio LPCM, Secondary Audio ON, SACD Output PCM, Dynamic Range Control OFF, DTS Neo:6 Mode OFF, HDMI CEC OFF.

If you KNOW your AVR and Display can handle both NTSC and PAL video, then also set TV System MULTI-SYSTEM. If your AVR decodes HDCD audio, and you intend to use HDMI Audio for playing HDCD discs, then also turn HDCD Decoding OFF in the OPPO. (If your AVR does NOT decode HDCD, or you are using Analog audio output for HDCD playback, then leave HDCD Decoding ON.)

You can leave other settings at their factory default values until you find reason to change any of them.
--Bob
post #9453 of 16415
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I just tried turning it on and doing the Roberto "Ratatouille" Pariseau test and saw no difference with 36/30/dithered/off Deep Color so it will stay off. I did see a huge degredation with YCbCr 4:4:4 though. For my display (Radiance outputting RGB to HDFury) both 4:2:2 and RGB looked equally good.

As I recall, you are using Source Direct output, so I wouldn't expect Deep Color choices to make a difference (barring bugs in your Display).
--Bob
post #9454 of 16415
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Based on your story, I tried this myself. I use a Linksys DMA2100 Windows Media Center Extender (from my HTPC) into external HDMI input of the 103. We'll call this "my DVR", but it's not actually a physical Motorola or Scientific Atlanta DVR box provided by TWC/LA.

For me, turning off 1080p24 does zero. No difference whatsoever. When skipping forward/backward while watching a recording via "my DVR" there is still the 1-2 second delay in muted audio (even though video has returned from the skip) before audio is restored.

I should clarify that all my experiences and reports are exclusively for the audio truncation/muting are from playing Blu-ray discs with the Oppo. I do not currently use any of the HDMI inputs on the Oppo. I'm not sure what effect, if any, the 1080p24 selection has on HDMI video passed through the Oppo from another source.
post #9455 of 16415
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Needing to raise Contrast like that is a sign that something is wrong in the calibration of your display. Contrast controls White levels (with a lesser impact on Black levels). Brightness and Contrast at the default (0) values sends out Reference HDMI levels.

The Sharpness issue may be related to whatever is causing you to need to raise Contrast.
--Bob

I doubt it because all other sources look just fine and this is a Panasonic VT50 plasma. I think it's a faulty oppo to be honest. All my sources are routed to an individual hdmi input on an denon 3311ci in pass thru mode and then on to a denon Realta HQV 602ci processor on its way to the Panasonic vt50 plasma. The denon 602ci receives 1080p24 and sends this to the Panasonic as 1080p24. As stated my other sources look fantastic this way except the oppo. I did try going direct using hdmi 1 to the plasma but it was still soft. Is Marvell QDeo a good chip, I remember the first time I hooked up the denon 602ci with my front projector rig and I was just blown away, this was back in 2009 and I just love using that thing. It blew the lid off the Lumagen hdq or whatever it was.
post #9456 of 16415
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

DSperber,
Some thoughts on your recent results with the 0522B Public Beta firmware:

Lastly, you described a problem of gross lip-sync error (2-3 seconds and getting progressively worse) triggered by turning off your display for 15 minutes or more while the Windows DVR and the OPPO remained powered on with the Windows DVR selected for the OPPO's HDMI Input.
Bob,

Had an opportunity to carefully repeat this situation just now. While watching a recording of "Realtime" (HBO, 1080i, but DD2.0 audio on this program) I left the room to take a shower. I very carefully pushed STOP on the DVR's remote (to get to a standard dialog allowing DELETE/RESTART/RESUME), to stop playback of the program. Onscreen INFO bars from the 103 showed no change... still 1080i video and DD2.0 audio, 4:4:4 24b color. Note that the DMA2100 is setup for audio to deliver multi-channel surround, not forcing 2.0 channel stereo as I'd been using until this latest firmware upgrade. I went back to multi-channel surround coincident with the latest 103 firmware which purported to probably fix the lip-sync problem (triggered by changing between DD5.1 and DD2.0) where forcing the source to 2.0 channel stereo would thus overcome the trigger event.

Then I powered off the 65VT50 and left the room. I returned about 30 minutes later, and powered on the VT50. As expected the Linksys screensaver was sliding around. 103's INFO bars still showed 1080i video, DD2.0 audio, 4:4:4 24b color.

I then pushed the RESUME button on the DVR remote, and audio/video returned. As predicted, there was a noticeable lip-sync now present. Actually, it was not 2-3 seconds as I'd originally described (although I'd only been out of the room for 30 minutes, so perhaps an hour or two later it might have been more severe). Instead it was just "definitely present and noticeable" (say 1 second or less). But I do recall that previously, when being away for hours, the degree of lip-sync problem was much more noticeable than today.

Anyway, sure enough it was present.

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One thing that puzzle me. You mention that the Windows DVR enters into its own screen saver. Why? Why doesn't it just continue to play normally as if you were still viewing? Are you ALSO Pausing the Windows DVR when you do this?
Yes, actually I pushed STOP on the DVR, not PAUSE (which would have kept the current image frame onscreen). I'd actually answered this question a few days back.

Now actually the DMA2100's screensaver kicks after some number of minutes in no matter whether you're in PAUSE state or STOP state.

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The thing is, there's no hardware in the OPPO that could generate that much audio delay, even if the engineers deliberately tried to program it to do so. So something else is going on
Well, I might have exaggerated about the 2-3 second delay originally reported, but it definitely was present. Again, perhaps if I'd waited an hour or two the amount of lip-sync delay would have been more extreme.

Anyway, it definitely WAS present.

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and one possibility is that the Windows DVR itself is getting confused. (Some years back, I had a a DirecTV DVR with dual channel viewing/recording capability. It too could get into a mode where it generated gross sync error, and the cure involved switching to the alternate live input and back, which discarded the 30 minute live TV buffer for the input you had been watching as a side effect of also curing the sync error. Evidently the DVR had gotten its buffer management confused for that "last 30 minutes" live buffer such that it was reading audio and video from different time points in the buffer. Discarding the buffer by toggling it to the other viewing input and back fixed that. The gross error was possible not because of any delay hardware or HDMI strangeness, but simply because the DirecTV DVR got confused as to how to read its own disc drive.)
This is not really relevant to the current situation. The DVR is STOP'ed, with its DELETE/RESTART/RESUME dialog on the screen. There is no live program "playing" in the background and being accumulated in the 30-minute live buffer (which also exists in Windows Media Center).

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Now, you say that power cycling the OPPO is needed to cure this when it happens. Have you tried using the Input button on the OPPO instead to switch it to Blu-ray Player and then back to the HDMI Input?
I'm not sure I had done that before, but I did try it today.

And you're right, switching inputs obviously triggered a new HDMI handshake, data buffer-flushes, etc., and sure enough when returning to the DVR input sure enough the lip-sync symptom had disappeared. Back to normal.

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Are you ALSO doing anything with the Windows DVR itself when you power cycle the OPPO? Basically what I'm looking for is something that might be allowing the Windows DVR to reset itself.

Toggling the Input on the OPPO should be very close to power cycling the OPPO as far as the Windows DVR is concerned.
You're absolutely right. It did work, and for obvious reasons.

What's important, however, is that this scenario (long period of zero audio during DVR screensaver, which is the only thing I can think of that characterizes this situation) that produces the lip-sync problem when audio is finally restored. Remember, the screen saver is like "live video but with zero audio" to the 103... and for 30 minutes or longer, to create the lip-sync symptom.
post #9457 of 16415
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Originally Posted by Alex Cross View Post

I was going to purchase the Disney WOW calibration Blu-ray. I'm wondering if it will work well with the BDP-103. The Speers and Munsil 2nd edition is offered on the oppo web-site, however the reviews I've read indicate buyers are happier with the Disney WOW version. What are the feelings by anyone that have used either of the tools?

Thanks

Alex

The TV I'm currently using is a Samsung UN46ES6100

Well, why not ask the man who co-developed the Spears and Munsil calibration disc. He's currently engaged in this thread answering questions. He goes by sspears. I'm sure he will help you with any questions you have about the disc.
post #9458 of 16415
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Needing to raise Contrast like that is a sign that something is wrong in the calibration of your display. Contrast controls White levels (with a lesser impact on Black levels). Brightness and Contrast at the default (0) values sends out Reference HDMI levels.

The Sharpness issue may be related to whatever is causing you to need to raise Contrast.
--Bob

I doubt it because all other sources look just fine and this is a Panasonic VT50 plasma. I think it's a faulty oppo to be honest. All my sources are routed to an individual hdmi input on an denon 3311ci in pass thru mode and then on to a denon Realta HQV 602ci processor on its way to the Panasonic vt50 plasma. The denon 602ci receives 1080p24 and sends this to the Panasonic as 1080p24. As stated my other sources look fantastic this way except the oppo. I did try going direct using hdmi 1 to the plasma but it was still soft. Is Marvell QDeo a good chip, I remember the first time I hooked up the denon 602ci with my front projector rig and I was just blown away, this was back in 2009 and I just love using that thing. It blew the lid off the Lumagen hdq or whatever it was.

Are you using a calibration disc to check your video settings? Discuss what you are finding with OPPO Tech Support. Odds are this really is just a settings error somewhere in your setup, as this is not the type of problem you would expect from a hardware fault in the player, but if the player is the cause OPPO will sort it out.

I would suggest you switch the OPPO back to its default Picture Adjustment settings and then move the HDMI cable from the back of one of your other Source devices to the back of the OPPO so that you are using the same cable and the same INPUT as used by the working Source.
--Bob
post #9459 of 16415
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I doubt it because all other sources look just fine and this is a Panasonic VT50 plasma.

Are both outputting the same color space? e.g. YCbCr 4:2:2? Using an HDMI analyzer and our monotonicity pattern, which reproduces all levels from 1-254 for YCbCr, the outputs are the same on the 103 and the BDT320 (chroma processing set to off), so I would assume the 220 would be the same. Either way, the levels, with picture controls set to 0, on the 103, is the proper output level. You should really adjust your display. RGB output might be another matter. The BDT300 has the error we mention in our color space article where they used the wrong shortcut and so could not produce all RGB values correctly. I believe this was fixed on the BDT320, at least when chroma processing is set to off.

The 220 will have sharper chroma with the color processing set to 1 or 2. Luma (Y) will be the same between the two players. I think Panasonic is the only one doing something special with chroma, though I have it turned off on my 320 with a VT20 display. There is room for everyone to offer better chroma upsampling. Most are just using bilinear. Bicubic will be sharper, but with chroma ringing. We just need people to develop non-ringing chroma upsampling filters.
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Well, why not ask the man who co-developed the Spears and Munsil calibration disc. He's currently engaged in this thread answering questions. He goes by sspears. I'm sure he will help you with any questions you have about the disc.

To be fair, I am biased for obvious reasons, so its best to ask others. smile.gif Disney WoW has some animated tutorials while we provide static text. If you have never done any type of calibration, the animated tutorials might be good for you, though the animated tutorials on DVE are better. We are working on some animated tutorials that we will post on our website over the next couple of months. Just trying to work on the first one right now. Once we get the formula down, then the others should come quickly. We will probably post the first one and get feedback on the amount of content. It will be a subset of what the articles cover.

With that said, there are a couple of threads dedicated to our disc, so you can also ask questions there. I would start by reading our articles to see if you feel comfortable. We do provide a lot of background in our articles, which can be intimidating for some. You can skip over that and just go straight to the how to adjust portion of each article. We like to provide a lot of background because we like the details. The plan for our tutorials is to only cover the how, not the why, so they are less intimidating.

WoW also offers lots of cool demonstration material. We have a few short demo clips.

One thing we don't advertise is that we include both a DVD and a Blu-ray. The DVD is a subset of the content and was created at the last minute because of an issue we found with some BD players, including the OPPO. We put a bunch of SD content on our BD. This was so we could see how SD would be handled, as in DVD. It turns out that SD, on BD, is not always treated the same as SD on DVD when using the very same encoded content. The particular test is the alternating progressive frame content. (Alt-PF in the menu) This is an artifact from a really old C-Cube based encoder. Lots of early Disney, including Pixar, DVDs suffered from this bug. Monsters Inc comes to mind. I think the original Titanic was this way as well. The clip on the BD fails (flickers) while the exact same encode on DVD passes. It appears some BD players only handle this content on a DVD, which is fair. We don't believe anyone is using these encoders anymore and therefor you will never see it on a BD outside of ours. Because of this, we created the DVD so the player could be verified it handles it on DVD correctly since there is a lot of content. Technicolor had this encoder and later replaced with something better from Cinemacraft. The DVD also includes a special bad edit montage where every cut contains a bad edit. This is the montage we originally put on the ABT DVD that was included with DVDO video processors and some OPPO DVD players many years ago.
post #9460 of 16415
Hi all,

The 103 seems to be one of the most popular players around here with dual hdmi outs. I need those because my amp does not handle 3D. However, I do not need analog outs. Does Oppo or anyone else make a Blu Ray player with dual HDMI outs but no analog outs (which probably significantly raise the cost)? I would like to find one with excellent picture quality and an Oppo should certainly fill that bill...however paying extra for analog outs seems a bit of overkill.

Thanks for any advice!

Oh- one other question- even though they essentially carry the same information my amp seems to like bitstream a lot better than LPCM. Does the Oppo output bitstream? Does it also do it in the dual hdmi configuration (one to display, one to receiver)?
post #9461 of 16415
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Originally Posted by stpetematt View Post

Does Oppo or anyone else make a Blu Ray player with dual HDMI outs but no analog outs (which probably significantly raise the cost)?

OPPO doesn't. Try http://www.avsforum.com/t/1345376/current-players-with-dual-hdmi

-Bill
post #9462 of 16415
It looks like I will be sending my 103 back to Oppo for service. I got a "no disc" message with 4 different discs. I read the knowledge base on their website & I don't hear the drive trying to spin the disc so the mechanism went bad. I was also having issues with it losing its network connection when in standby. I contacted Oppo about this issue previously & tried all of their suggestions with no resolution.
Edited by Jano18 - 6/1/13 at 6:38pm
post #9463 of 16415
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Originally Posted by Alex Cross View Post

I was going to purchase the Disney WOW calibration Blu-ray. I'm wondering if it will work well with the BDP-103. The Speers and Munsil 2nd edition is offered on the oppo web-site, however the reviews I've read indicate buyers are happier with the Disney WOW version.

Doesn't the S&M ship with the Oppo? If so, decision made.
post #9464 of 16415
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Doesn't the S&M ship with the Oppo? If so, decision made.

It didn't come with my player. Of course, I bought mine before the disc was available.
post #9465 of 16415
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Doesn't the S&M ship with the Oppo? If so, decision made.

No. Version 1 came with the BDP-83 but that was years ago.

-Bill
post #9466 of 16415
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Doesn't the S&M ship with the Oppo? If so, decision made.

If you are serious about calibration (including the advanced stuff), and buying a new Oppo, then I would suggest ordering it with the Oppo. I believe it came included in the price of the BDP-83, but on everything since it is an add on option (pay extra). I'm not sure if all the resellers carry it, but if you do order direct from Oppo Digital, you can have it shipped with the player. I've got 3 calibration Blu-ray discs and there are things on all of them I refer to for primary information and supporting information. Which is best for a particular setting is largely a matter of opinion. I do highly recommend the S&M disc as it tests some advanced aspects that the other discs don't, such as determining which HDMI format (YCbCr 4:4:4, RGB etc.) is best for your particular setup, and how your player handles recognition and playback of various film cadences.
post #9467 of 16415
Hey guys. I own an Oppo 103 and I am trying to play back my MKV files from my windows 7 machine.
I can browse my network and see my files. But when I play them the files stutter badly. The files contain DTS HD. I am on the latest firmware.
These files play perfect via my Roku and plex.
post #9468 of 16415
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Hey guys. I own an Oppo 103 and I am trying to play back my MKV files from my windows 7 machine.
I can browse my network and see my files. But when I play them the files stutter badly. The files contain DTS HD. I am on the latest firmware.
These files play perfect via my Roku and plex.

First, copy one of the files to a USB stick or hard drive and attach it directly to the player? Does it play correctly there?

If so, is the server on windows 7 SMB or DLNA? Have you tried switching from one to another, or if DLNA, trying a different type of server?

-Bill
post #9469 of 16415
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Hey guys. I own an Oppo 103 and I am trying to play back my MKV files from my windows 7 machine.
I can browse my network and see my files. But when I play them the files stutter badly. The files contain DTS HD. I am on the latest firmware.
These files play perfect via my Roku and plex.

The roku plex app in my experience will not play mkv directly but instead it transcodes it. Even with a wired connection the roku plex app would stall at higher bit rates that are needed to preserve the HD PQ of a Blu-ray Disc. If you are using the default roku plex app then you are seeing 720p at a maximum bit rate of 8MBPS. Well below what you need, try setting it to 20MBPS in the roku app an see what happens.

Regarding the oppo you are doing a direct mkv playback which requires a low latency high bandwidth connection, if you using wireless then you can definitely improve the performance by going wired both on the oppo and on your plex media server. I'm on an all wired connection and I direct play mkvs on several bluray machines at once without an issue. This was not case with a wireless connection.
post #9470 of 16415
Well my roku plays my mkv in full 1080 on wireless at 20mbps without stutter. However my AVR displays Dolby D and not DTS HD. I do not believe the Roku 3 can play HD Audio.

The Oppo, also on wireless stutters bad. But my AVR displays DTS HD.

If this is nothing more than bandwidth issues, I would feel better as I all I would have to do is find a way to run a wire from my second floor to my first floor.
post #9471 of 16415
Update on assorted problems due to latest 103 beta firmware.

Tonight I had an extended "serious TV watching" session, catching up on four episodes of "Mad Men" while listening through my headphones. In other words, HDMI-2 was active to receive LPCM audio from 103 to my Smyth Realiser.

This is in contrast to my typical ordinary everyday TV watching where HDMI-2 is powered off and I listen through 2-channel stereo speakers, fed via the L/R-stereo analog output from the 103 to an analog input on my AVR. In this latter analog output setup, the "speaker configuration" of the 103 which specifies "downmix to stereo" is relevant. In other words I use the 103 to downmix to L/R stereo and feed this L/R stereo analog output to analog inputs on the AVR (rather than feeding multi-channel HDMI audio along with video out HDMI-1 of the 103 to the AVR, for audio decoding there and delivery of video to the HDTV).

Ok... so tonight there is no HDMI audio delivered via HDMI-1, and instead LPCM audio is going out over HDMI-2 to the headphone system. And downmixed stereo is still going out from L/R analog outputs of the 103 to the AVR but it's not going any further, in that no speakers are being used to listen.


Observed tonight:

(1) skip forward/back on "my DVR" (i.e. Linksys DMA2100) remote did not produce the 1-2 second delay in restoring audio following the return of video which I'd been complaining about previously. This was very interesting, as the audio path tonight (via LPCM out HDMI-2 to my headphone system) is of course completely different than the downmixed stereo analog output path through AVR to speakers normally used (i.e. with HDMI-2 powered off, and LPCM audio being delivered over HDMI-1 along with video).

Nevertheless, whatever the explanation, pushing the SKIP button on the remote produces very quick response, with both audio and video returning at almost the same instant. Video still returned just ever-so-slightly faster, but audio returned at almost the same time. I certainly had nothing to complain about, and would not consider this a problem... in contrast to the 1-2 second delay in returned audio which absolutely occurs when using the analog audio output path through AVR to speakers... which also produces a slow return of video a well, though faster than the return of audio.

(2) I triggered the "crash back to the logo screen" once tonight, when I pushed the SKIP BACK button (which ia a 12-second skip back) multiple times in rapid succession trying to go back to earlier in a scene so that I could re-hear the dialog again. I did not get this crash when pushing the SKIP FORWARD button (which is a 30-second skip forward) multiple times in fairly rapid succession (since it seemed to be working fine and keeping up with my button pushes, with the HDMI-2 audio output enabled).

When the crash occurred, I was able to eventually recover and get back to normal operation without taking the extreme step of powering off the 103 and then powering it on again (although obviously that would have fixed it as well). Instead, I was able to push the INPUT button and have it appear, but when I selected BluRay Player I was then presented with a black screen rather than the normal Home screen. And shortly thereafter the "filler" screen from my Yamaha AVR appeared. Obviously, some HDMI handshake had failed when I selected BluRay player from the Input menu after crashing back to the logo screen.

I then selected a different input on the AVR, and then re-selected BluRay Player input... and now sure enough the 103's Home screen now appeared, obviously as a result of a re-initiated HDMI handshake that this time worked.

And then I was able to again select the external HDMI input, and then get back to DVR playback (which apparently had been moving along and playing just fine throughout all of this fooling around with the 103).

(3) At one point doing absolutely nothing but watching stable program playback (well, maybe this was shortly after doing a SKIP FORWARD through a commercial pod) all of a sudden the sound disappeared completely! ZERO AUDIO.

I didn't know if this was a problem coming from the DVR, or the 103, but all sound was gone. Video was still playing normally but there was no sound. I tried fooling around pushing various buttons as I normally would, to try and reinitiate an HDMI handshake to reestablish audio, but nothing worked.

I then noticed that the red "audio clipping" light was lit on the Smyth Realiser. This indicates INPUT LEVEL OVERLOAD and the protective clipping circuitry kicks in, which is obviously what had happened. In other words I interpret this to suggest that the 103 had "lost its mind" and was putting out continuous high (or maximum) level audio (or noise) for no apparent reason, rather than the program audio.

Since I was unable to reestablish audio, or do anything to make the red "clipping" light go off, I had no choice but to power off the 103 and then power it back on. This restored things to normal, and once again I had normal audio, and the red "clipping" light on the Realiser was off.
post #9472 of 16415
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Well my roku plays my mkv in full 1080 on wireless at 20mbps without stutter. However my AVR displays Dolby D and not DTS HD. I do not believe the Roku 3 can play HD Audio.

The Oppo, also on wireless stutters bad. But my AVR displays DTS HD.

If this is nothing more than bandwidth issues, I would feel better as I all I would have to do is find a way to run a wire from my second floor to my first floor.

That's pretty good that it works over wireless but are sure it is not transcoding? Your roku must be better with wireless than the oppo, try a wired connection. I use that and it works well with the oppo.
post #9473 of 16415
Newbie help needed!

I took delivery of an OPPO 103 on Friday and I think I am having some sort of handshaking problem or the unit is defective.

Here is the basic setup...

I am using the dual HDMI outs into a Denon AVR-3313CI. HDMI 1 is dedicated to Blu-ray/DVD playback and HDMI 2 is for SACD/DVD Audio/CD. I have A/V Split for video out per the user manual.

When I play music using HDMI 2, all is well. On the OPPO, I've defaulted to Bitstream for HDMI audio output and DSD for SACD out. DSD Direct shows up on the Denon when play SACD discs and Direct when playing DVD-Audio discs. Like I say, this all works like it should.

When I change source on the Denon to the HDMI 1 output and put in a Blu-ray, the receiver displays Stereo for the audio, but I get no sound at all. Further, I can see the video switching from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 in order to playback properly. This is pretty easily detected, since there is a perceptible loss in video quality.

If I change input sources on the Denon remote to HDMI 2, the Blur-ray disc sound comes through normally.

I've tried swapping HDMI cables and switching to different inputs and reassigning them on the Denon, but I always get the same result. If I unplug HDMI 2 from the OPPO, the player plays Blu-ray discs perfectly (audio and video), and the improved image quality that comes from the dedicated video chip in HDMI 1, is really obvious to see.

For the moment, I'm plugging and unplugging HDMI 2 as a workaround, depending on playback source.

Is this the way it's supposed to work, or is there something flawed in my setup procedure?

Thanks in advance for any help. I tried the FAQ, but did not see anything about this specific problem and OPPO doesn't have phone support on the weekend.
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

Newbie help needed!

I took delivery of an OPPO 103 on Friday and I think I am having some sort of handshaking problem or the unit is defective.

Here is the basic setup...

I am using the dual HDMI outs into a Denon AVR-3313CI. HDMI 1 is dedicated to Blu-ray/DVD playback and HDMI 2 is for SACD/DVD Audio/CD. I have A/V Split for video out per the user manual.

When I play music using HDMI 2, all is well. On the OPPO, I've defaulted to Bitstream for HDMI audio output and DSD for SACD out. DSD Direct shows up on the Denon when play SACD discs and Direct when playing DVD-Audio discs. Like I say, this all works like it should.

When I change source on the Denon to the HDMI 1 output and put in a Blu-ray, the receiver displays Stereo for the audio, but I get no sound at all. Further, I can see the video switching from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 in order to playback properly. This is pretty easily detected, since there is a perceptible loss in video quality.

If I change input sources on the Denon remote to HDMI 2, the Blur-ray disc sound comes through normally.

I've tried swapping HDMI cables and switching to different inputs and reassigning them on the Denon, but I always get the same result. If I unplug HDMI 2 from the OPPO, the player plays Blu-ray discs perfectly (audio and video), and the improved image quality that comes from the dedicated video chip in HDMI 1, is really obvious to see.

For the moment, I'm plugging and unplugging HDMI 2 as a workaround, depending on playback source.

Is this the way it's supposed to work, or is there something flawed in my setup procedure?

Thanks in advance for any help. I tried the FAQ, but did not see anything about this specific problem and OPPO doesn't have phone support on the weekend.


I was here to ask something similar,my oppo 103 is connected to a darbee the to my Samsung 60f8500 thru the hdmi 1 output,my hdmi 2 output is directly to my Yamaha rx-a820. when I select my Yamaha to output hdmi 1 or 2 to see the on screen menu on my tv I get intermitend video and audio,black screen for 4-5 seconds and then come back and sometimes plays for 20 secs and go again black again,i can even see video thru my avr when I select hdmi 3 on my tv to see the on screen menu.this never happends with my sony-790 so I think is something with the oppo!!!!
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

I was here to ask something similar,my oppo 103 is connected to a darbee the to my Samsung 60f8500 thru the hdmi 1 output,my hdmi 2 output is directly to my Yamaha rx-a820. when I select my Yamaha to output hdmi 1 or 2 to see the on screen menu on my tv I get intermitend video and audio,black screen for 4-5 seconds and then come back and sometimes plays for 20 secs and go again black again,i can even see video thru my avr when I select hdmi 3 on my tv to see the on screen menu.this never happends with my sony-790 so I think is something with the oppo!!!!

What happens if you set Video Setup -> 3D Setting -> Blank HDMI2 to "Yes"?

-Bill
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Newbie help needed!

I took delivery of an OPPO 103 on Friday and I think I am having some sort of handshaking problem or the unit is defective.

Here is the basic setup...

I am using the dual HDMI outs into a Denon AVR-3313CI. HDMI 1 is dedicated to Blu-ray/DVD playback and HDMI 2 is for SACD/DVD Audio/CD. I have A/V Split for video out per the user manual.

When I play music using HDMI 2, all is well. On the OPPO, I've defaulted to Bitstream for HDMI audio output and DSD for SACD out. DSD Direct shows up on the Denon when play SACD discs and Direct when playing DVD-Audio discs. Like I say, this all works like it should.

When I change source on the Denon to the HDMI 1 output and put in a Blu-ray, the receiver displays Stereo for the audio, but I get no sound at all. Further, I can see the video switching from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 in order to playback properly. This is pretty easily detected, since there is a perceptible loss in video quality.

If I change input sources on the Denon remote to HDMI 2, the Blur-ray disc sound comes through normally.

I've tried swapping HDMI cables and switching to different inputs and reassigning them on the Denon, but I always get the same result. If I unplug HDMI 2 from the OPPO, the player plays Blu-ray discs perfectly (audio and video), and the improved image quality that comes from the dedicated video chip in HDMI 1, is really obvious to see.

For the moment, I'm plugging and unplugging HDMI 2 as a workaround, depending on playback source.

Is this the way it's supposed to work, or is there something flawed in my setup procedure?

Thanks in advance for any help. I tried the FAQ, but did not see anything about this specific problem and OPPO doesn't have phone support on the weekend.

With Split A/V selected, you get Video on HDMI1 OUT and Audio on HDMI2 Out. You need to select Dual Display if you want the OPPO to perform like you want.
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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

Newbie help needed!

I took delivery of an OPPO 103 on Friday and I think I am having some sort of handshaking problem or the unit is defective.

Here is the basic setup...

I am using the dual HDMI outs into a Denon AVR-3313CI. HDMI 1 is dedicated to Blu-ray/DVD playback and HDMI 2 is for SACD/DVD Audio/CD. I have A/V Split for video out per the user manual.

When I play music using HDMI 2, all is well. On the OPPO, I've defaulted to Bitstream for HDMI audio output and DSD for SACD out. DSD Direct shows up on the Denon when play SACD discs and Direct when playing DVD-Audio discs. Like I say, this all works like it should.

When I change source on the Denon to the HDMI 1 output and put in a Blu-ray, the receiver displays Stereo for the audio, but I get no sound at all. Further, I can see the video switching from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 in order to playback properly. This is pretty easily detected, since there is a perceptible loss in video quality.

If I change input sources on the Denon remote to HDMI 2, the Blur-ray disc sound comes through normally.

I've tried swapping HDMI cables and switching to different inputs and reassigning them on the Denon, but I always get the same result. If I unplug HDMI 2 from the OPPO, the player plays Blu-ray discs perfectly (audio and video), and the improved image quality that comes from the dedicated video chip in HDMI 1, is really obvious to see.

For the moment, I'm plugging and unplugging HDMI 2 as a workaround, depending on playback source.

Is this the way it's supposed to work, or is there something flawed in my setup procedure?

Thanks in advance for any help. I tried the FAQ, but did not see anything about this specific problem and OPPO doesn't have phone support on the weekend.

This is the way it is supposed to work. The problem is that your Denon is keeping the input socket fed from HDMI 2 "live" even though you have selected its other input socket (fed from HDMI 1) for viewing.

With Split A/V, when BOTH HDMI connections are live, then audio is muted on HDMI 1 and video goes to a "safe" output format on HDMI 2. This is by design -- for folks who have HDMI 1 connected directly to a display and HDMI 2 connected to their AVR. When only ONE output connection is live (for example when you disconnect HDMI 2), then the full audio/video handshake is performed on the remaining, live connection -- the Split A/V vs. Dual Display choice is ignored.

The trick is how to tell your Denon not to do this -- how to get it to keep live only the HDMI Input you have selected in it for viewing?

It may not be possible to change this behavior in your Denon, but here are some things to try:

1) First, disable HDMI CEC -- remote control over the HDMI cable. In the OPPO this is in Setup > Device Setup. It may be called something other than HDMI CEC in your Denon -- just look for something related to HDMI Source device detection and remote control over HDMI in the Denon manual. The AVR would need to keep non-selected HDMI sockets live to implement remote control over HDMI -- e.g., to respond and change inputs when some source powers up for example. Disable this in both the OPPO and the Denon.

2) Look for a setting in the Denon that is described as enabling faster HDMI source device switching and disable that.

3) Look for a setting in the Denon that has to do with HDMI "pass through" for video and try setting that to its alternate choice. Given the way things are currently working, you may only need to do that for the input fed from HDMI 2.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/2/13 at 1:44pm
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Thanks much, Bob! I will give that a try. When I tried Mongo171's suggestion, it works, but it's sluggish and still a bit flakey. The screen cuts back and forth between black while the player or the receiver tries to figure out what it's supposed to do. Also, if I choose dual display, won't I conceivable taking a hit on the video output?

I would think that the 3313CI and 103 is a fairly common combination out there and I'm a bit surprised this issue isn't on OPOO or Denon's radar.
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Hi all,
I'm currently using a "WD My Passport 1TB Portable External Hard Drive Storage USB 3.0" for all of my external media files.
I have it connected to the rear USB port on the back of the 103.
The drive is self contained and gets it's power through the USB of whatever device it's attached to. The drive is going to sleep while watching a BD, Netflix, Roku, etc. When I go back into the 103's menu to access the HDD, the player hangs, leaving me with no choice but to soft reboot it with the "Power Long press" feature.

When the player comes back online, the HDD flashes and accesses. After rougly 10 minutes of non use, the drive sleeps and the Oppo doesn't seem able to wake it up; or it tries, but just becomes non responsive waiting for the drive to wake up (hangs).
At first I thought the drive was just taking it's sweet time waking up, but after several minutes the only button that responds on the 103's remote is "Open/Close Disc Tray" and of course, the "Power Button".

I apologize in advance if this problem has been discussed and perhaps solved already within this thread; however I went searching through the thread for a possible solution and even tried a thread search query. Seems several posters were experiencing the same problem as I am, but no one has discovered a solution to the problem.

I did try hooking up a seperate external HDD that has it's own dedicated power supply, but alas, it went to sleep and refused to wake when the 103 asked it.
The HDDs are not accessing during this wait time, they are quiet and not spinning (they're aleep) until I power cycle the 103.

This is driving me bonkers and I would like to think Oppo would've seen this problem coming during development of the 103.
Has anyone solved this issue???

Thanks


I use a WD My Passport 2TB Portable External Hard Drive Storage USB 3.0. Unlike what you describe, this drive remains active while not in use. It shuts down wonderfully with the Oppo. However, while on start-up, at times the Oppo takes several seconds to read the drive. If I try to assess the drive before the Oppo reads the entire volume, the Oppo will lock solidly, so that not a single function works. The only recourse is to hold the start button down until the Oppo forces shutdown, or to pull the plug.

On a different note… I did note last night, for the first time since I have owned the unit, that I could stream Netflicks using the Oppo, with a better picture quality than Apple TV. This must have been a fix in the last firmware upgrade, which I did not notice. My apology to Bob for getting bent out of shape.

That said, Apple TV automatically converts every program to 5.1, where the Oppo will not, leaving me to convert the audio signal with Dolby Pro Logic (can you say, loud, shrill and squeaky).
The video quality of Roku streaming stick remains as disappointing as ever, with the same issues converting the stereo signal to Pro Logic.
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What happens if you set Video Setup -> 3D Setting -> Blank HDMI2 to "Yes"?

-Bill

same thing!!!! I try it!!!
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