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post #9511 of 16358
^ I do not believe the Oppo players currently support xvYCC. However my Sony video display does. My understanding is that the source material, and both the player and display must support xvYCC for it to work. I've read the info on it and there is more to it than marketing hype.
post #9512 of 16358
Has anyone compared the marvell sharpening to the Darbee? On +1 it reminds me of the same affect as the Darbee in a lower setting. It seems to only affect certain areas, especially the lighter areas.
post #9513 of 16358
Anyone with plex able to help me here?

I was able to browse to my plex servers via my Oppo 103 and play my MKV files.

Suddenly today I am not able to see my Plex servers via the Oppo.

Any one else encounter this?
post #9514 of 16358
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Well my roku plays my mkv in full 1080 on wireless at 20mbps without stutter. However my AVR displays Dolby D and not DTS HD. I do not believe the Roku 3 can play HD Audio.

The Oppo, also on wireless stutters bad. But my AVR displays DTS HD.

If this is nothing more than bandwidth issues, I would feel better as I all I would have to do is find a way to run a wire from my second floor to my first floor.

I ran Ethernet via the electrical power system in my house ( in Australia) with Netcomm adapters. I guess similar gear is available for this in USA, etc..
post #9515 of 16358
Has anyone had issues recently with the pro mod kit playing certain Blu-rays when set to region B, but not others? I can play Arrow's Zombie Flesh Eaters fine, but the French release of Polanski's Pirates does not play at all. I get a blank screen for just over a minute and then it returns to the Oppo's home menu. It played in another region free player I have, so I know the Blu-ray is fine.
post #9516 of 16358
Happ
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Anyone with plex able to help me here?

I was able to browse to my plex servers via my Oppo 103 and play my MKV files.

Suddenly today I am not able to see my Plex servers via the Oppo.

Any one else encounter this?

Happens to me if I play an mov file or view a jpg... Power cycle the oppo and it should be good assuming your plex host server is online. You may want to power cycle or reboot your plex host server machine as well.
post #9517 of 16358
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Originally Posted by scottc1992 View Post

I just would like this thing to work WITHOUT having to "tweak it". I guess I'm not like most of you on here, I want to pay for something that WORKS out of the box, I do not feel that I should have to "fix" anything that costs this much. Sorry, it's going to go.

I have both the 103 and 105 OPPO units and have not had to tweak to make them work - I achieved stellar operation at initial setup and startup. However, my reading of these threads helps tweaks for even better performance, especially on the 105 which feeds my Arcam 600 AVR for music appreciation. I now know more ( than perhaps I would otherwise wish) about music format, streaming, etc., all to good value.
post #9518 of 16358
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^ I do not believe the Oppo players currently support xvYCC. However my Sony video display does. My understanding is that the source material, and both the player and display must support xvYCC for it to work. I've read the info on it and there is more to it than marketing hype.

I tried it with a Panny DMP-BDT330 and VT20 with no luck. The xvYCC controls are disabled on the display. I will email Sony and see what player and display it is supposed to work with. My OPPO is rack mounted and the display does not support xvYCC. PS3 is rack mounted in the same room.

I only bring this up in the OPPO thread because of the talk around deep color. I thought it was relevant. Maybe it is intended to work with a special Sony player and one of their UHD displays. Once I hear back from Sony, I will post.
post #9519 of 16358
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

Happ
Happens to me if I play an mov file or view a jpg... Power cycle the oppo and it should be good assuming your plex host server is online. You may want to power cycle or reboot your plex host server machine as well.


I tried rebooting my router, and the oppo, rebooting my pc and Mac. Unpublishing my plex servers and still the Oppo can not see my plex servers. This was working just yesterday.
post #9520 of 16358
My Oppo can see my PC share but not connect to it either. Asks for username and password and continues to tell me it's wrong. I believe I may have a bad unit.
post #9521 of 16358
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Originally Posted by RayJG View Post

Has anyone had issues recently with the pro mod kit playing certain Blu-rays when set to region B, but not others? I can play Arrow's Zombie Flesh Eaters fine, but the French release of Polanski's Pirates does not play at all. I get a blank screen for just over a minute and then it returns to the Oppo's home menu. It played in another region free player I have, so I know the Blu-ray is fine.
Have you tried Zombie Flesh Eaters in a Region A player? I.e., is it possible that the Region B setting isn't working, and what you think is a Region B disc is actually region-free? I know I have a number of discs that are labelled Region B but aren't, which caused some confusion when I "tested" my modded Oppo's region-switching and it "worked," only to have it not work later (turns out the mod chip was bad, and needed to be replaced).
post #9522 of 16358
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Well my roku plays my mkv in full 1080 on wireless at 20mbps without stutter. However my AVR displays Dolby D and not DTS HD. I do not believe the Roku 3 can play HD Audio.

-- doesn't that suggest that Plex is transcoding the audio stream? I've had similar issues in my Plex setup, but the Plex folks told me it was transcoding. This was happening to me with Win8, too.
post #9523 of 16358
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Has anyone compared the marvell sharpening to the Darbee? On +1 it reminds me of the same affect as the Darbee in a lower setting. It seems to only affect certain areas, especially the lighter areas.

I have and the Darbee enhances different areas of the picture. I find the Darbee to introduce less artifacts than the Marvell at +1 on sharpness patterns and real content. I use the Darbee with HD and a setting of 45. Currently I have the Darbee at that setting and Marvell at 0 and have appropriate sharpness on my Panasonic 60ST50 which some have claimed to be "soft". Although Oppo didn't mention it on their firmware updates but it seems that the latest updates have improved sharpness on HDMI 1 and I think Bob Pariseau mentioned something about this also. The combo of Marvell's processing on HDMI 1 and Darbees enhancements are working very well for me right now especially on Fios cable content.
post #9524 of 16358
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Has anyone compared the marvell sharpening to the Darbee? On +1 it reminds me of the same affect as the Darbee in a lower setting. It seems to only affect certain areas, especially the lighter areas.

I have and the Darbee enhances different areas of the picture. I find the Darbee to introduce less artifacts than the Marvell at +1 on sharpness patterns and real content. I use the Darbee with HD and a setting of 45. Currently I have the Darbee at that setting and Marvell at 0 and have appropriate sharpness on my Panasonic 60ST50 which some have claimed to be "soft". Although Oppo didn't mention it on their firmware updates but it seems that the latest updates have improved sharpness on HDMI 1 and I think Bob Pariseau mentioned something about this also. The combo of Marvell's processing on HDMI 1 and Darbees enhancements are working very well for me right now especially on Fios cable content.

 

Is this really true? Did they disable the NR on HDMI 1?

post #9525 of 16358
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Originally Posted by jgaster View Post

. . . .As for “True 24p without interpolative motion enhancement is never going to give smooth motion to moderate to fast moving objects in the image,” if that were truly the case, why would anyone bother with it? What I can say with absolute certainty, and let me clarify again, absolute certainty, the picture is remarkably smooth and more fluent, even eye-popping in fact, on my BDP-83, using 24p with 32bit non dithered color.

Last point—obviously my Oppo is defective, either by design, or by manufacture. I suspect yours is too as is everyone else posting here, or why would we bother comparing notes at all. I knew the unit would have bugs. At the time I purchased it, there were well over a hundred postings here. And it always a bad sign for any electronics, to have a board this active. If ten people report an issue, you can bet a hundred are experiencing it.

He was referring to motion that is too fast to capture cleanly in only 24 frames per second. This is a well known problem in filmmaking -- nothing to do with ANY Blu-ray player -- and something that filmmakers try hard to avoid. If due care isn't taken during filming, it is actually rather easy to film fast motion that appears to jump in steps rather than flow smoothly, simply because 24 frames per second is not all that fast compared to the eye's response. Such "motion judder" is baked into the original filming -- it shows on theatrical screenings just as much as when played in a home theater.

And just to clear up a minor confusion, for Blu-ray players there is no such thing as 32 bit color. HDMI output from Blu-ray players is either 24 bits per pixel (Deep Color OFF), 30, or 36 bits bits per pixel (Deep Color 30 or 36 bit respectively).

I'm about to try the Spears & Munsil 1080p/24 racing car test on my 83 and 105. Stand by.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/3/13 at 11:45pm
post #9526 of 16358
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Originally Posted by jgaster View Post

I have said many times in this thread, my experience with this Oppo unit, the true 24p function does not work properly. The malfunction is clear to both the eye, as well as with the Spears and Munsil calibration disk. On the test disk, the car racing by the stand appears a series of jitters, instead of smooth motion. The problem is not as profound as it once was, before the last firmware upgrade, but is very much still there.

Older Oppo units, the combination of 32bit color, and true 24p was amazing. Projected, the combination gave a smoother, more lifelike picture than most movie theaters. Frustrating, but I have learned to live with it.

I have never noticed 24p causing dropouts issues, but absolutely, the use of 32bit color causes random picture dropout issues.

It's going to be fascinating to figure out what's really going on in your setup. I have no doubt you are accurately reporting what you are seeing, but I can't reproduce it, and I can't explain it.

Here are my results with the original Spears & Munsil, Blu-ray, comparing that scene as rendered by my BDP-83 and my BDP-105. Please forgive me if I appear to be pointing out "obvious" details in the setup, but I think it is important to eliminate the possible, elementary errors -- leaving only the serious puzzlement as to what the heck's happening when you try this.

First of all, both the 83 and the 105 are connected into my Anthem Statement D2v which connects to my Display.

For the 105, I'm using HDMI 1 (only) at explicit 1080p (*NOT* AUTO or Source Direct), with 1080p/24 AUTO, HDMI De-interlacing Mode AUTO, YCbCr 4:4:4, Deep Color OFF (Dithered), and TV System Multi-Systen. I have Split A/V set, although that should not matter since only HDMI 1 output is connected. I have HDMI Audio LPCM set. The 105 is running the Public Beta 0522B firmware for this test.

For the 83 I also have explicit 1080p set with 1080p/24 AUTO, HDMI De-interlacing Mode AUTO, YCbCr 4:4:4, Deep Color OFF (Dithered) and TV System Multi-system. I have Primary Output HDMI set. I have HDMI Audio LPCM set. The 83 is running the Official 0117 firmware.

After loading the Spears & Munsil Blu-ray, select Setup from the column of choices on its Top Menu, and confirm that the Codec is set to HD VC-1, and the patterns are set to Loop.

Then select Source Adaptive Deinterlacing from the column on the left and confirm that the Racecar Clip is selected.

Then select the 24p test from the BOTTOM of the list. That test is encoded as 1080p/24 on disc and is the only valid way to test 1080p/24 output from the player in this particular section of tests. All the other tests in this section are encoded as 1080i/60 on disc (given that the HD VC-1 Codec is selected in the disc's Setup), which means the output of the player will be 1080p/60, not 1080p/24.

You will see a smallish image of the race car test looping in the center of the screen, surrounded by a wide margin of black, and an outer, white border. The text "24P" will appear in Green above the image.

While that test is looping, press Info on the OPPO remote and confirm that the frame rate being read off the disc (lower right corner) is 23.976 and not 29.970. On the 105 (only), you can also use Page Up/Down now to change the Info displayed and show the HDMI OUTPUT. It should show "1080p@24Hz" output on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 not connected.

RESULT: The smoothness of motion of both the race car and the pan of the stands as the camera tracks the race car appear IDENTICAL to me between the BDP-83 and the BDP-105.

--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/3/13 at 11:43pm
post #9527 of 16358

Bob:

 

Maybe this is related to jgasters issue or not but when i'm running the 24p tests on S&M ver.2 (Stock Ticker,  xXx Parade and Sarah on a Hammond), motion is jagged and not smooth. 1080p/24p all the way from Oppo -> Anthem -> TV.  Maybe the material was too fast for 24p motion but I can't see how since normal fast action BR movies at 24p don't have these motion effects.

post #9528 of 16358
^ Double check the Codec in use, what's being read off the disc according to the OPPO, what the OPPO says it is sending to the Anthem, what the Anthem says it is receiving, and the output to the display.

I don't have that disc yet, but OPPO does, and an AVM 50v, so they can check what looks wrong to you.
--Bob
post #9529 of 16358

Hi:

 

I have found significant color differences between HDMI-1 and HDMI-2 running the "Color Multiburst" test on the new S&M test disk. The differences are in the horizontal frequency response. Seems like HDMI-1 (QDEO processed) is rolled off and HDMI-2 is not. Can anyone verify this for me as well (KC-Technerd, you listening?smile.gif). I am using RGB color space as its the most accurate for my display but the changes are seen on YCrCB color space as well.

 

Look at the change in hue/pattern from the color burst in the 2nd row to the right of the picture(2PPC, 540 TVL).

 

 

HDMI-1.jpg 1,049k .jpg file HDMI-2.jpg 1,031k .jpg file

 

 

 

HDMI-1 with QDEO processor...

 

HDMI-2 with Mediatek processor.


Edited by dmusoke - 6/4/13 at 8:45am
post #9530 of 16358
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I don't believe this Oppo (or any previous one and I have owned 3) is defective. But the current Oppos are enormously complex because they do so many things, handle so many file types and provide so many input and output connection options. A small company like Oppo cannot possibly test these players in all the different ways that purchasers may use them and with the enormously wide range of equipment to which Oppo owners connect them. They do beta-test the players to try to wring out the worst problems before they hit the market but that still only gives them a fairly small sample of uses, users and connected equipment. What anyone who has read both the BDP-103 and 105 threads here will see though is that as problems and issues have become known, they have generally been addressed (as the fairly frequent firmware upgrades attest). No, they haven't yet addressed all problems but they are certainly closing in on them. There may be a few problems specific to some unique situations that may never be solved because of the hardware in the players not being able to provide a solution or the parts manufacturers deciding not to pursue solutions and passing them on to Oppo. I expect, based on my past experience, that any problem that can be fixed will be fixed.

This is why I (and I suspect others) continue to buy Oppo products. We know that problems will be addressed and that Oppo will support us if at all possible. This is something I can't say about electronics from some far bigger and more well-known companies that simply walked away from problems with their products. I think people who are new to Oppo should be aware that they can have a very high expectation that their current frustrations will be addressed and fixed, even though it may take longer than they would like.

Well spoken. - In addition, I think it is appropriate to bear in mind Oppo´s caveats in the User Manual (and - last quote - the Specification):

"In addition to playing standard disc-based formats such as Blu-ray, DVD, CD and SACD, the BDP-103
can play media files. You can enjoy digital music, movies and photos stored on a data disc (recordable
CD, DVD or Blu-ray) or an external USB drive. Due to the variation of media, encoding software and
techniques used, compatibility cannot be guaranteed for all user-created or downloaded content.
Support for such content is on a best effort basis." (emphasis added)

"Compatibility with local network sharing hardware/software is on a best effort basis with no
guarantee, due to variations in NAS devices, media servers and their configurations." (ditto).

"Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due
to the variation of media, software and techniques used." (ditto)
post #9531 of 16358
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Double check the Codec in use, what's being read off the disc according to the OPPO, what the OPPO says it is sending to the Anthem, what the Anthem says it is receiving, and the output to the display.
--Bob

 

No Codec selection options in ver2 of the disk. Oppo is sending 1080p @ 23.976Hz on HDMI-1. D2v says its receiving 1080p/24 on its inputs(HDM1-2) and sending the same on its output to the TV. 30p video is much smoother (though still jittery when D2v output is sending 60p to the TV) and of-course 60p is the smoothest with no discernible motion artifacts...

post #9532 of 16358
^ That just sounds like frame rate vs. rate of motion issues. I.e., "normal".
-Bob
post #9533 of 16358
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Should be easy to test. Most displays have xvYCC off, auto settings. No forced on. In theory, you should be able to play this in an OPPO, or Panasonic, and test into a display with this capability. Switch between auto and off and it should change.

Panasonic once told me their players will signal the display if they see the xvYCC set in the bitstream. Some AVCHD cameras support it today. I may give it a try tonight with Spiderman and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

^ I do not believe the Oppo players currently support xvYCC. However my Sony video display does. My understanding is that the source material, and both the player and display must support xvYCC for it to work. I've read the info on it and there is more to it than marketing hype.
I guess it will be interesting to see if the technology works...
post #9534 of 16358
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Maybe it is intended to work with a special Sony player and one of their UHD displays. Once I hear back from Sony, I will post.
Sounds logical... But when did anything in the world of technology follow a logical path wink.gif
post #9535 of 16358
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Hi:

I have found significant color differences between HDMI-1 and HDMI-2 running the "Color Multiburst" test on the new S&M test disk. The differences are in the horizontal frequency response. Seems like HDMI-1 (QDEO processed) is rolled off and HDMI-2 is not. Can anyone verify this for me as well (KC-Technerd, you listening?smile.gif )

Look at the change in hue/pattern from the color burst in the 2nd row to the right of the picture(2PPC, 540 TVL).



HDMI-1.JPG 450k .JPG file HDMI-2.JPG 443k .JPG file




HDMI-1 with QDEO processor...



HDMI-2 with Mediatek processor.




What color space? 444 out of HDMI 1 to my vt 50 passes those fine.
post #9536 of 16358
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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

I have and the Darbee enhances different areas of the picture. I find the Darbee to introduce less artifacts than the Marvell at +1 on sharpness patterns and real content. I use the Darbee with HD and a setting of 45. Currently I have the Darbee at that setting and Marvell at 0 and have appropriate sharpness on my Panasonic 60ST50 which some have claimed to be "soft". Although Oppo didn't mention it on their firmware updates but it seems that the latest updates have improved sharpness on HDMI 1 and I think Bob Pariseau mentioned something about this also. The combo of Marvell's processing on HDMI 1 and Darbees enhancements are working very well for me right now especially on Fios cable content.

Thanks. After some more viewing I went back to sharpness 0. I may order the Darbee cobalt to save some money since its the same processing and I don't need the extra bells and whistles of the more costly version. I just need it for Dish network an d Bluray 2D.
post #9537 of 16358
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

According to Blu-ray.com there's quite a few 'so-called' 4K movie releases. All of which quote 'Expanded Color'.

Unless the disc's contain some kind of meta-data that sends some kind of signal directly to a display device that automatically activates some kind of supporting xvYCC circuitry, I don't see how the claims on these disc's is possible.... In my opinion, it's a load of marketing crap!

I have a few 4K mastered blu-rays and the only one that really looked good was the 4K mastered 'The Karate Kid'. It was the best looking blu-ray I have seen, the color were vibrant and the detail was exceptional. A jump up from 'The Life of Pi' and 'Avatar'. I am running my Oppo 103 through my AVR Onkyo 1010 to my set, an LG 84LM9600,
post #9538 of 16358
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

I used Netflix several times on the firmware that it came with (1220) and no freezing occurred. I upgraded to 0422 and I started getting the freezing between episodes. Quite annoying.

After sending several emails to OPPO over the past several months regarding my netflix freezing issues I finally received confirmation yesterday that they are aware of an issue. Send them an email with your issue and maybe it will help expedite a firmware fix. Below is their latest response I received yesterday:

Your player is unfortunately not defective. Based on your observations and our own experience with the issues these problems are related to an authorization issue that Netflix performs every time that the player loads a menu, a stream, and opens/exits Netflix. We are working with Netflix to resolve these issues through a future firmware release, but at this time there are no known fixes for your reported problems.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
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6/02/13
To: OPPO Service

This Oppo is still freezing on me multiple times everyday while watching Netflix. I am at my wits end with this thing. My PS3 and Roku player never ever freeze like this when watching netflix over the same internet connection. Could my player be defected? Do I need to send it in for repair or is this a known bug that you are working on a firmware fix for?
post #9539 of 16358
I just use my roku 2 and enjoy life. I think it looks good too.
post #9540 of 16358
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

What color space? 444 out of HDMI 1 to my vt 50 passes those fine.

 RGB as its most accurate for my display. Amended original post to say that. You can also see the changes between the 2 outputs using YCrCb color spaces.

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