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post #9571 of 16359
why when I set the oppo to direct source I get the soap opera effect and their related artifacts even with my display set it to off?
post #9572 of 16359
SOE has nothing to do with the Oppo. It is something that will only come from the display.
post #9573 of 16359
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

SOE has nothing to do with the Oppo. It is something that will only come from the display.

is set it to off and still see the effect maybe the display is a little crazy!!! :P
post #9574 of 16359
When I first started using 24p and 72Hz display after a lifetime of watching 60Hz 3:2 pull down I thought it was SOE. But I soon got used to it and now it looks correct. Still can't stand the real SOE caused by frame interpolation on showroom TVs.
post #9575 of 16359
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

The 103 plays all my MP4 files without any issues. Just the MKV files stutter badly.

It must be something with the 103 as my samsung TV plays the MKV files wirelessly without any stutter. My 103 is wired so in know its not a bandwidth issue.
Hint 1: try setting the Oppo to output LPCM audio. (Yes, the Oppo will properly decode HD Audio.)

Hint 2: Try a different DLNA server. Plex is great for serving to a another device running Plex or a Plex App---it's much less great doing anything else, particularly full bit rate MKVs with HD audio. For whatever reason Plex seems to do a better job transcoding for a specific device than handling the 'raw' file, thus the success with the Samsung and Roku. The Oppo will play full bit rate MKVs with HD Audio served from other DLNA servers. Two examples I've personally experienced: Twonky (PC & Mac) and the DLNA Media Server included with Synology NAS units.

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post #9576 of 16359
Thats what im wondering if its just 1080p/24 and some 72/96/120hz iteration.

Set it to 1080p and 24p off and see what you think, instead of Source Direct.
post #9577 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

is set it to off and still see the effect maybe the display is a little crazy!!! :P

not all tvs can turn off the 120 refresh rates. I had an philips lcd that could not turn off.

Jacob
post #9578 of 16359
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post


Just wondering if anyone can comment on how this works between Netflix and Oppo.
As far as I know the application software is entirely Netflix.
post #9579 of 16359
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

As far as I know the application software is entirely Netflix.

Based on some past experience with Netflix on a Series 3 TiVo I'll offer a guess on what is happening.

OPPO provides the operating environment and Netflix provides the APP. If the APP encounters an error it generates an exception and the operating environment is supposed to handle the error,

If the OPPO "hangs" it is likely that the APP has generated an exception that the OPPO Has failed to handle.

Now, who's fault is it and how does it get fixed?

If the APP is generating an exception that is not properly formatted, the OPPO is not at fault and the APP needs to be fixed.

On the other hand, if the exception is properly formatted and the OPPO is not handling it properly then the OPPO firmware needs to be fixed. That may require either a fix from Mediatek or OPPO depending where the fix needs to be made.

It is never easy to kill bugs in software and it is even harder when there may be three vendors involved.
post #9580 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

not all tvs can turn off the 120 refresh rates. I had an philips lcd that could not turn off.

Jacob

mine is plasma 600hz but thanks
post #9581 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

mine is plasma 600hz but thanks

there is a way to turn that off. I have a panasonic plasma. there is a setting default of weak. turn that off.

600 is not about the 120 refresh rate.

Jacob
post #9582 of 16359
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Problem with roku is that it will not pass HD audio. The103 can and will play my MKV files with DTS HD audio. Once I access my plex server from the 103, I can change a few settings on plex. Transcoding is turned off and direct play is enabled. The 103 plays all my MP4 files without any issues. Just the MKV files stutter badly.

It must be something with the 103 as my samsung TV plays the MKV files wirelessly without any stutter. My 103 is wired so in know its not a bandwidth issue.

Can you describe the MKV stutter in a little more detail? Is this happening on Blu Ray rips, DVD rips or both? I found that some of my DVD rips transcoded with Handbrake to MKV using the "normal" profile would exhibit video freezing for a fraction of a second about every 1 1/2 second. The audio plays fine. However I have had no such problem with Blu Ray.

I reported this problem to OPPO quite a while ago and they verified the problem and it's in their engineering queue for a fix in some future firmware release. I now transcode all my DVD rips using Handbrake's "high profile". It takes a lot longer, but doesn't have the freezing problem and the output quality is visually better with many DVDs.
post #9583 of 16359
Please help with some connection questions! eek.gif

I have an old Outlaw audio 990 pre/pro. It has DVI instead of HDMI. I want to upgrade to 3d being as I have a 3d projector (Epson 5020). I don't see any options to update my Preamp being as there are none that I can afford that have the features I want. I decided to go with an Oppo 103 and run video direct from the oppo to my projector. I have to run the sound seperately to the outlaw 990 from the Oppo. I want to get the best possible sound available. Here are some questions. (Sorry if I sound silly with terminology. I'm not as much as an audiofile as others are on here.) :

I see the Outlaw has 7.1 audio outputs. If I run them to my outlaw's 7.1 inputs, will I be able to use the latest dolby and DTS modes?

Will the 7.1 audio outputs sound better than if I were to just run an optical audio cable?

What type of cable should I use? Is monoprice RCA cables sufficient?
post #9584 of 16359
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Originally Posted by RDHolmes View Post

Based on some past experience with Netflix on a Series 3 TiVo I'll offer a guess on what is happening.

OPPO provides the operating environment and Netflix provides the APP. If the APP encounters an error it generates an exception and the operating environment is supposed to handle the error,

If the OPPO "hangs" it is likely that the APP has generated an exception that the OPPO Has failed to handle.

Now, who's fault is it and how does it get fixed?

If the APP is generating an exception that is not properly formatted, the OPPO is not at fault and the APP needs to be fixed.

On the other hand, if the exception is properly formatted and the OPPO is not handling it properly then the OPPO firmware needs to be fixed. That may require either a fix from Mediatek or OPPO depending where the fix needs to be made.

It is never easy to kill bugs in software and it is even harder when there may be three vendors involved.

The Netflix app in the Oppo and my 2012 Sony Bravia TV are virtually identical and share the same deficiencies - a brief delay after start-up of a movie before reaching full resolution, clumsy sub-titles in yellow and somewhat primitive fast forward/rewind - whereas the app in the Apple TV box does not. This confirms your suggestion that Netflix provides the standard app but also that individual Netflix partners can request or be permitted to implement individual variations.
Edited by OPPOrtunist - 6/5/13 at 1:02am
post #9585 of 16359
^^^Apple TV app is the best.
post #9586 of 16359
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Originally Posted by John Meno View Post

I see the Outlaw has 7.1 audio outputs. If I run them to my outlaw's 7.1 inputs, will I be able to use the latest dolby and DTS modes?

Yes, the player handles that.
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Will the 7.1 audio outputs sound better than if I were to just run an optical audio cable?

In theory, yes, analog audio is more capable than optical or coax. However, there is more than one thing going on here. With analog audio you are using the player DACs; with optical or coax you would be using the receiver DACs. There could be a quality difference from that alone, and the receiver may have different capabilities depending on the type of input.
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What type of cable should I use? Is monoprice RCA cables sufficient?

Yes.

-Bill
post #9587 of 16359
^ Thanks so much for your help! I'm excited to get my oppo now! It's the best of both worlds! I can finally hear lossless sound and see 3d! Awesome!
post #9588 of 16359
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

The Netflix app in the Oppo and my 2012 Sony Bravia TV are virtually identical and share the same deficiencies - a brief delay after start-up of a movie before reaching full resolution, clumsy sub-titles in yellow and somewhat primitive fast forward/rewind - whereas the app in the Apple TV box does not. This confirms your suggestion that Netflix provides the standard app but also that individual Netflix partners can request or be permitted to implement individual variations.

Netflix has a number of different APPs. Essentially, one for each System on Chip (SOC) used by vendors allowed to offer a Netflix APP. Each SOC has different capabilities and Netflix may choose to make use of these or not depending on both technical and marketing decisions.

When there are problems they may be with the Netflix APP, the SOC firmware, the Device Vendor Code or some combination of the three.

This is a situation likely to generate a perfect storm of finger pointing until the SOC vendor and the Device Vendor hash it out and develop a case that Netflix cannot deny. At that point don't hold your breath. Marketing decisions at Netflix will determine when and if the APP gets fixed.
post #9589 of 16359
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Yes, the player handles that.
In theory, yes, analog audio is more capable than optical or coax. However, there is more than one thing going on here. With analog audio you are using the player DACs; with optical or coax you would be using the receiver DACs. There could be a quality difference from that alone, and the receiver may have different capabilities depending on the type of input.
Yes.

-Bill

dts-master audio and dolby truhd can be hear thru analgog output?
post #9590 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

dts-master audio and dolby truhd can be hear thru analgog output?
Yes... The HD multi-channel bit-stream audio is transcoded to multi-channel PCM audio 'on-the-fly' and passed via the analogue outputs.
post #9591 of 16359
I would like to propose an improvment for the Oppo, but want to check with you guys first in case I missed something and the feature is already there.

I have the 103 in our family room but also have a WDTV Live SMP in my bedroom. One feature of my WDTV I find very useful is its ability to keep the playback position of media file to resume at a later time, similar to what is available for BDs and DVDs on the Oppo. It even does it for files accessed through SMB shares. Very handy when you don't have time to watch a whole episodes and want to resume later. Have I missed something on the Oppo. Is this a good suggestion for Oppo?
post #9592 of 16359
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Originally Posted by RDHolmes View Post

Netflix has a number of different APPs. Essentially, one for each System on Chip (SOC) used by vendors allowed to offer a Netflix APP. Each SOC has different capabilities and Netflix may choose to make use of these or not depending on both technical and marketing decisions.

When there are problems they may be with the Netflix APP, the SOC firmware, the Device Vendor Code or some combination of the three.

This is a situation likely to generate a perfect storm of finger pointing until the SOC vendor and the Device Vendor hash it out and develop a case that Netflix cannot deny. At that point don't hold your breath Marketing decisions at Netflix will determine when and if the APP gets fixed.

Exactly. The relationship between Netflix and a vendor and the number of subscriptions it sees being generated will drive the effort and access that it expends on a particular vendor's app and access.

Oppo is not likely to generate the traffic (in subscriptions) as a high volume manufacturer is. So any attention that Netflix gives to fixing Oppo's issues or providing enhancements is likely to be much lower in the hierarchy to Netflix than a Sony.
post #9593 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Yes, the player handles that.
In theory, yes, analog audio is more capable than optical or coax. However, there is more than one thing going on here. With analog audio you are using the player DACs; with optical or coax you would be using the receiver DACs. There could be a quality difference from that alone, and the receiver may have different capabilities depending on the type of input.
Yes.

-Bill

dts-master audio and dolby truhd can be hear thru analgog output?
Yes.
post #9594 of 16359
wow,i read somewhere that dts-hd and dolby truHD can only work using hdmi,lot of misinformation out there!!! thanks for clarifing
post #9595 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

wow,i read somewhere that dts-hd and dolby truHD can only work using hdmi,lot of misinformation out there!!! thanks for clarifing

Well, that's right in the sense that it is no longer DTS-HD or TrueHD once it hits the cable; those are digital formats and the cable is analog. But you're getting all the sound, which optical and coax cannot do. HDMI can, but of course the D->A conversion has to happen somewhere.

-Bill
post #9596 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

wow,i read somewhere that dts-hd and dolby truHD can only work using hdmi,lot of misinformation out there!!! thanks for clarifing

DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD work over analog? News to me as well.
post #9597 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

wow,i read somewhere that dts-hd and dolby truHD can only work using hdmi,lot of misinformation out there!!! thanks for clarifing

No misinformation smile.gif Using the analog outs the Oppo DAC is decoding the DTS-HD or DolbyTrue HD stream. Using the HDMI Outs your (DTS-HD/TrueHD ready) AVR is decoding these streams (in case you have activated "Bitstream" in your HDMI Audio setup).
Edited by Holzohr - 6/5/13 at 12:26pm
post #9598 of 16359
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Your issues with SMB are most likely due to NTFS security permissions or file sharing permissions on the server side, not the player side. IOW, its not the player asking for credentials, its the server. I sometimes find that weirdness can be eliminated by taking away NTFS permissions on the whole drive, then re-enabling it. Same for file sharing permissions, sometimes it needs to be re-done. Enabling permissions on the whole drive, not just individual folders, also helps. This is Windows we're talking about, weird things happen.

I completely agree to what you wrote. Because I don't use SMB, I didn't investigate any further. But sounds very reasonable to me, what you wrote.
post #9599 of 16359
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD work over analog? News to me as well.
The formats obviously get decoded to LPCM and then converted to analog by the DAC in the player, but there's no loss of resolution. The end result is no different than bitstreaming to your AVR and allowing it to do the decoding to LPCM and conversion to analog using its DAC. Likewise, it's no different than letting the Oppo decode it to LPCM, sending that to your receiver over HDMI, and letting the receiver's DAC do the conversion to analog. The only difference in sound quality here is how good the DAC in the player is versus the DAC in your AVR and whether things like room correction matter to you (as most AVR's can apply room correction to their 7.1 analog inputs).
post #9600 of 16359
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

wow,i read somewhere that dts-hd and dolby truHD can only work using hdmi,lot of misinformation out there!!! thanks for clarifing
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD work over analog? News to me as well.


Well, the real question is whether both formats can be properly translated, fed into the amplifiers and sent out as sound signals.

With HDMI, if you use bitstreaming, the player acts as a carrier and sends the sound data to the AVR, where the DTS-HD MA or TrueHD signals are translated and fed to the AVR's digital to analog converters, which then feed the proper analog signal to the amplifiers and out to the speakers.

With analog, the player would do the DTS-HD MA or TrueHD translation locally, then uses its own digital to analog converters to send the result out to the AVR by way of the 103's analog outputs. At this point, the lossless codecs (DTS-HD MA or TrueHD) have been translated, so the only thing that is left is the analog signal that they generate. The AVR takes this input and usually bypasses its own processing, feeding the analog signal directly to the amplifiers and out to the speakers.

So essentially the same thing is done, except for where the processing takes place.

The things you have to consider in this:
  1. Where the translation takes place determines which DACs get used (digital to analog converters). If in the player, the players, if in the AVR, the AVR's. The quality of each may be different, so you ideally want to pick the one that is better. The Oppos have very good ones to excellent ones, but if you have a really good AVR, those may be better.
  2. The AVR does extra processing that you might find useful, like room correction for sound. This is bypassed by using the analog connection unless you have the rare AVR that applies processing on analog inputs. This means that you have to do speaker spacing, etc. at the player and have more responsibility for that. It's not horribly hard, but it is needed.

Having said that, I've done both with my Oppo. For convenience's and room correction sake, I prefer HDMI with bitstreaming, but the direct analog connection, after I made sure of measurements, etc. also sounded really good.
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